tirsdag 31. januar 2012

Nr. 231: Pastor and Apostle Jan Aage Torp in Oslo Church and all other remarried as a Christian and still are preachers are our time King Uzziah as was a leper!

Nr. 231:
Pastor and Apostle Jan Aage Torp in Oslo Church and all other remarried as a Christian and still are preachers are our time King Uzziah as was a leper!

The false teacher Jan Aage Torp

2. Chron. 26. 1. And all the people of Judah took and did Uzziah, who was sixteen years old, to the king in his father Amaziah. 2 He did Eloth a real city and took it back to Judah, after the king had put himself to sleep with his fathers. 3 Uzziah was sixteen years old when he became king, and reigned fifty and two years in Jerusalem, his mother's name was Jecholiah from Jerusalem. 4 He did what was right in the eyes, according to all that his father Amaziah had done. 5 And he sought God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding of God's call, and that he sought the Lord, God made him to prosper. 6 He went out and fought against the Philistines and broke down the wall of Gath and Jabne and Ashdod, and he built cities in Ashdod and other places in the land of the Philistines. 7 And God helped him against the Philistines, and against the Arabs who lived in Gur Baal and against me'unittene. 8 And the Ammonites gave gifts to Uzziah, and his name spread to Egypt, for he was exceedingly powerful. 9 Uzziah built towers in Jerusalem at the Corner Gate and at the Valley Gate and at the angle, thus making these places firm and strong. / 10 He also built towers in the desert and struck out many cisterns, for he had much livestock in the lowlands and on høisletten, and he had farmers and husbandmen in the mountains and the oceans, for agriculture lay him on the heart. 11 Uzziah had an army capable of war, who went into battle in herds, signed and numbered by the state printer Jeiel and supervisory man Maaseiah, under the direction of Hananiah, one of the king's princes. 12 Two thousand and six hundred was the whole number of the mighty men who were family heads, 13 and under them was a krigshær of three hundred and seven thousand and five hundred men, who made war with mighty power and to help the king against the enemy. 14 The whole army of Uzziah prepared with shields and spears and helmets and breastplates, and bows and sling stones. 15 In Jerusalem he made directed-war machines, which should be set up on the towers and Murhjørnet to shoot arrows and great stones. And his name spread far and wide, for he was marvelously helped, till he became strong. 16 But when he was strong, he was overconfident in his heart, that he sinned himself, he disobeyed the Lord their God, and went into the temple to burn incense on the altar of incense. 17 Azariah the priest went in after him and with him eighty priests of Jehovah, brave men. 18 They came up against King Uzziah and said to him: It is not for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the Lord, but only the priests, Aaron's sons, who are consecrated to it. Go out of the sanctuary! For you have been disobedient, and it becomes thee not to honor the Lord God. 19 Then Uzziah was angry. He held a censer in his hand and tried just about to burn incense, but when his anger was kindled against the priests, the leprosy in his forehead, as he stood in front of priests in the house at the altar of incense. 20 And Azariah the chief priest and all the priests turned against him, they saw that he was leprous in his forehead. Then they drove him out from thence, and even he himself hasted to go out, because the LORD had smitten him. 21 Uzziah the king was a leper to the day of his death, and he lived in a house for himself as a leper, for he was excluded from the house. His son Jotham commissioned the king's house, judging the people. 22 Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, in both his first and in his later days, the prophet Isaiah, Amos' son, written op. / 23 And Uzziah lay down to rest with his fathers, and they buried him with his fathers in the burial place which belonged to the kings, for they said: He is a leper. And Jotham his son reigned in his stead.

Espen Ottosen: Should resign as pastor

One of the very few in Christendom who have dared to question both with Pastor Torp's real and personal lifestyle is Espen Ottosen, information director of the Norwegian Lutheran Mission. In several posts on our debate's value justifies why he Torp no longer be able to function as a pastor:

I have stated on twitter that I think it is regrettable that Jan-Aage Torp not stop as pastor. The reason is not only the story that his son come forward in the current issue of A Magazine. My reasoning is more comprehensive. Here are a few words.

Jan-Aage Torp is pastor. The term apostle is used for his service. Whatever it is natural to focus on what Paul sets a requirement for an overseer. Here are some key verses from 1 Timothy 3.2 to 7:

"Now the overseer must be above reproach, husband of one wife, sober, calm, dignified, hospitable, able to teach others, no drunkard, not violent but gentle, not contrary to the desire of money. He must manage his house well and be obedient children of all virtue. But he who does not know how to manage his own household, how can he care for God's church? He must not be a new convert, lest he be puffed up and fall under the devil's verdict. He also must have good testimony from those who are outside, lest he should be put to shame and be caught in the devil's snare. "

These words present the great ideals. Let me first clarify that I (obviously) does not mean that a Christian leader to be perfect. We are all sinners. The Bible says fortunately much that God can use weak and erring people. At the same time, I believe that the words of Paul represents a measure of relevance and importance. We have no right to cancel the meaning of these words because no one is flawless. A Christian leader is dependent on trust. Therefore there must be a connection between life and teachings.

In the case of Jan-Aage Torp, I believe that he has weakened his confidence in a fundamental way, particularly in recent years. I think it is uncomfortable to hold. But I think actually it's even harder to be completely silent - for through his behavior, he has discredited the whole Christian church in Norway.

The last example is the story that his son now says. It is simply appalling, even if I take into account that the media does not give a very balanced presentation, although Torp has had the opportunity to give a accordingly. Many Christian leaders have found that their children have moved away from the faith. Some would argue that that in itself disqualifies a pastor. I do not think so. Also Pastor children must be able to choose their own faith. But the history of Anders Torp is very special, because his son today has broken all contact with his father. It weakens the confidence course at Torp.

Even more serious is this page Torp today admits that the theology he made sure that his son was faced with was unhealthy. To some extent it is good that Torp takes self-criticism. The only problem is that there are limits to how many times a person may complain strongly their misjudgments - and still keep the trust. Torp prophesied bloodbath during the Olympics in Athens, which he later apologized. In today's articles sorry he both contact with the Danish "Father of the House" and "åndeutdrivere" from Zambia. It is then reasonable to ask whether Torp has shown sufficient spiritual discretion. I do not think so. In addition, I think a lot of the material contained on the website of the Oslo Church and blog of Jan-Aage Torp shows that Torp still markets a radical charismatic. It is very problematic.

A final issue is that Jan-Aage Torp is married again. This is a difficult point to comment - because it concerns the private life of Torp. At the same time, I think it's unreasonable to think that all topics concerning marital status shall be stamped as irrelevant. Paul emphasizes, after all these questions in 1 Timothy.

There are probably well aware that my basic attitude is that remarriage is wrong. This justifies my Matt from 19.3 to 10 and some other Bible verses. At the same time, I think the question is difficult. Many conservative Christians believe remarriage in some situations may be right. I respect that. But I do think that certain Christian leaders should refrain from remarriage - in part because Paul wrote that a leader should be "a woman's man."

Finally, the text of 1 Timothy 3, Paul writes that the overseer "have good testimony from those outside." It must of course not be construed as a Christian leader must be popular and loved. On the contrary, it says a lot in the Bible that those who preach God's word of truth and justice, must be prepared for both the opposition, persecution and slander. Paul also believes therefore that it matters how Christian leaders are perceived by people outside the church. Also at this point, I think Torp fall short. He does not give a good testimony by marrying very soon after the divorce with a woman who is more than twenty years younger than himself.

This is a difficult subject. I find it hard to be balanced, accurate and respectful (to Jan-Aage Torp, which undoubtedly is a very difficult situation and deserve care and intercession). But here was a brief explanation that I mean after all, Pastor Torp should quit as pastor. (End of quote).

I struck out today Pastor January Aage Torp to be abused by him, but I live well with. He said among other things. a that I was unkind and ugly when I could speak like that about him and about Evangelist Emanuel Minos.

Emanuel Minos, a gateway for demons

When Emanuel Minos repeatedly in bad faith will open up for these wolves in sheep's clothing as Jan Aage Torp, Jan Hanvold and other gjengiftede preachers, he is a gateway for demons. The demons are not even out, but they have their henchmen, who live in rebellion to God's word and God's will.

King Uzziah

Uzziah was 16 years old when he became king - and he was king for 52 years. Here we meet a godly man, who sought God and did what was right in the eyes of the Lord. He was raised in a "Christian home" and took good care of their childhood and the legacy of the home. The people loved Uzziah, because no one had done so much good for Israel since King Solomon.

King Uzziah had thus a very good start to his race. He had a good "input". But how was the end of his journey? It was the end we should heed. Yes, when Uzziah was at its most powerful, something happens.

Why did Uzziah?

1) Uzziah began to exalt themselves. He forgot that real progress has more to do with who we are than what we do. He forgot that it was God who had helped him to the power and glory that he had achieved.
2) He had not taken the time to build character in their lives. His character was in no way compared to what he had accomplished. It is important to build a strong character of God before you step out in service to God. If not then it will sooner or later be a character flaw that is visible to all ...
3) Pride came into his life. Pride always comes before a fall. Uzziah could not stand success. But what is pride?
- Pride is the "mother of all sin" (Lester Sumrall)
- Pride is a spiritual cancer. It eats up the opportunities to love and spiritual fruit can float.
- Pride is selfish. It's always the ego at the center. ("I have the right ...")
- Pride is arrogance. It is to exalt themselves. One would expect privileges, a desire to be noticed and become popular.
- Pride is anger. One can not bear reproof, but reacts with anger.
In verse 19 we see that Uzziah react with anger - typical pride ...
We all need someone corrects us / exhorts us. Ask yourself: How do I receive admonition and correction from other people? The way you receive correction, will determine how you end your run!
Uzziah was a leper, and he remained a leper for life. He was first called king, but ended up being known as leprosy. It was no longer speaking about what he did in the beginning. What matters is how you finish the race!
This man had ascended the throne at the age of sixteen, destined to become one of the greatest kings of Judah. He received advice from the prophet Zechariah. He received a vision from the Lord. He was mightily blessed by God.
The Bible says that Uzziah sought the Lord - and God made him prosper and become strong: "God helped him ...." (2 Chronicles 26:7). ".... His name spread far and wide, for he was helped on the way, and he had great power." (Verse 15).
Besides Solomon, Uzziah had the best reputation of all the kings of Judah. He was anointed by God. He began a revival in the land, tore down the idols and walking according to God's word. When this brave king drove his chariot through the streets, he was shown honor and respect. He received the gifts and tributes from around the world.
But, Scripture says: ".... as he was strong, he was overconfident in his heart, to his own destruction. He transgressed against the LORD their God, and went into the temple to burn incense on the altar of incense." (Verse 16).
Pride overcame this man. He wanted to be a priest in addition to the king! In disobedience, Uzziah entered the temple and began to wave incense before the altar. He received a rebuke for this - and when he pointed an angry finger in response, began his hand immediately to fade. It suddenly became a leper. Uzziah had to be thrown out of the temple of God!
Oh, what a shame! One of the largest, richest kings of Judah's history had to be isolated. He was taken to a house where he spent the rest of his days as a leper: "Since King Uzziah a leper to his death. He lived in a house for himself as a leper, for he was excluded from the house ... . " (2 Chron. 26:21).
Uzziah died in isolation - cut off from any blessing from God!
When this once-great man died, amounts have gathered around him. His death would have been an honor to God. Instead, he died as an almost unknown man, his body eaten by leprosy. Uzziah missed his destiny!

Pastor and Apostle January Aage Torp in Oslo Church and all other gjengiftede as a Christian and still are preachers of our time King Uzziah was a leper!

God's Word is very clear, all that is gjengiftede that believers should not be Pastors or Apostles as Jan Aage Torp, Jan Hanvold and many of them are. If they had sat down on the last bench and been like him, we read about in Luke, the Gospel should I set the time, when there had been a matter between him and God.

Luke 18 9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and despised others: 10 Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed thus: God! I thank you because I am not like other people: thieves, unjust, adulterers, or, as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all my income. 13 And the publican stood afar off, would not even lift his eyes toward heaven, but smote his breast and said: God! be my sins gracious! 14 I say unto you, This was justified down to his house rather than the other: for every one himself exalted, to be abased, and it humbles himself shall be exalted.

But this raises a itself both Apostles, Pastors, TV-founders and I do not know what. Pride and haughtiness are. They make themselves so humble and so innocent, only they are the flesh and the tank will for into the new life, they do anything. False humility calls the Bible, not for anything else.

King Uzziah was a leper

King Uzziah was a leper, and these people are already lepers and will spread its leprosy wherever they are, therefore, scripture says that we will not even be pointed at with these.

1 Corinthians 5:11 but what I wrote to you was that I should not have sexual relations with anyone called a brother and an adulterer or havesyk or an idolater or a railer, or a drunkard, or robber, so I do not even eat with him.

We shall in no way take part in their evil deeds, if we do we are an accomplice. The fact that Emanuel Minos, and many others support leprous people who are spiritually wolves in sheep's clothing, I think that's bad! Yes direct sickening and disgusting.

What is the solution?

The solution is simple. Distances you from those who do not live as the word says. And stick to those who live and learn right. This is and remains the solution. All we need God's grace when we all fall short, but there are still rules in the word of God and the spiritual life with Jesus and the church that we must and will relate to.

Remarriage of preachers make them out of the question to the service as pastor and teacher

When we read the Pastoral letters that Paul teaches on this and other sites it becomes clear that gjengiftede preachers as believers is unfit for duty. Just like Kon Uzziah was unfit to perform the service that the Levites would do, all who choose to remarry after a divorce. This is not what I or you think, but spiritual truths and this is also a spiritual law. Allows us gjengiftede preachers, we can only set the door wide open for Satan. Have we given him the little finger as he takes the whole hand, make you sure?

Ezra fik all gjengiftede to divorce - it is the solution today also

Ezra 10 10 Then Ezra the priest stood up and said to them: I have borne you, the transgressed and taken strange wives, and thus has increased in Israel's sake. 11 Therefore confess it now, for the Lord God of your fathers and do His will! Separate yourselves from the other people in this country and from the foreign women! 12 Then answered all the people, saying with a loud voice: Yes, as you said, then we ought to do. 13 But the people are numerous, and it is now rainy season, so we are not able to stand out here, and this is a work that can not be done in a day or two, for there are many of us who have sinned in this case. 14 Therefore let our leaders stand up for all the people, and let all those in our cities which have taken strange wives, meeting at scheduled times with the elders and judges of each town, until we have turned our God's fierce anger away from us, and this matter is settled. 15 Only Jonathan son of Asahel and Jahseja, Tikva son, put him against this, and Meshullam and Levite Sabbetai supported them. 16 The exiles did then as I said was, and chose the priest Ezra and some men who were heads of their families, who were all mentioned by name, and they came together on the first day of the tenth month to investigate the matter, 17 and they were finished with all the men who had taken strange wives, to the first day of the first month. 18 Among the priests' sons, they found someone who had taken strange wives: it was, of Joshua, Josadaks son's sons and his brothers: Maaseiah and Eliezer and Jarib and Gedaliah, 19 they gave their hand that they would distinguish themselves from their wives and sacrifice a ram from the flock as a guilt offering for the sake they had pådradd himself.

Notice the wording of verse 19: "For the sake they had pådradd himself."
The guilt they had pådradd itself, that is exactly what Pastor January Aage Torp. Pastor January Hanvold and all others who are separated as a believer and then later as a believer marry. They incur guilt yourself and everyone else who gets in their vicinity and who stands with them in any way. They apply themselves also to blame and are involved with them in their evil deeds, as it is by God's word teaches. To get married after a breakup, it's exclusive if one wishes, and will be an Apostle, Prophet, or indeed a trusted servant of the Lord or the servant.

Jacob 3 1. My brothers! Not many of you become teachers, since I know that we will also heavier sentence!
2. Joh. b. 10 If anyone comes to you and do not lead this doctrine, then do not take him into your house and offer him welcome! 11 for the one who offers him welcome, being an accomplice with him in his evil deeds.
Luke 16 18 Whoever separates himself from his wife and marries another woman, he commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband committeth adultery.
1. Kor. 7. 10 The married I command, yet not I but the Lord, that a wife should not separate herself from her husband, 11 but she is separated from him, as she remain unmarried or be reconciled herself with her husband - and that a man does not to separate himself from his wife.
1. Tim. 5. 8 But if any provide not for his own, and most of his household, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.
Eph. 5. 28 Then the men ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

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mandag 30. januar 2012

Nr. 230: Differences in pointing out errors and to the main be the other!

Nr. 230:

Differences in pointing out errors and to the main be the other!

Matt 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be plucked up by the roots.

It is a form of tango and waltz to warn and to point to Jesus and the gospel together, but I feel nødtvunget to also warn against slipping, error learning, and more. The very simplest had only been time-scale and let watch the world go and have agreed to all, especially the one last talked. But this is not the Lord called me to

Am I a prophet?

For that, I would say that I have a proven prophetic sections of my preaching, but there are also experienced as unnecessary to go around calling themselves prophets, etc. try my preaching God's word, and let me be the Word teaches, it stays. It is so great as a brother because that to me. I was just a simple Evangelist but he was a prophet, it is enough for me to be called a simple Evangelist.

Hove Vere or warn?

It is of course not always easy to know the difference here, if you always have to defame others, or is it absolutely necessary. For Paul it was a necessity, to preach the whole counsel of God to salvation. All parts and all aspects of the word of God and our spiritual life was and it was in need of was lit!

What is sick and unhealthy, and what is healthy and spiritually?

I've been in situations where one is to accept over other people's mistakes and failures. And I've been in situations where one would never hear anything that is negative and that caused discussion and that anyone would think differently than what was approved and widely accepted. Both are wrong, but what is right and spiritually? It is permissible that everything comes out, will be tried on the Word of God and by knowing the spirit witness to it. We read that the first believers and throughout God's word it was a very keen to find out if it matched the writing or not, especially in times of revival. Let us return to God's words again and again, that's where we have our spiritual source and living power!

Church Smyrna Oslo

Why start a new church? Is not it NOK churches? Needed it once or more? How could I continue. I believe that God has called me to start, operate and build the church here in Oslo City.
Now there is much I can write about this and end the chapter is neither written.
We actually started this church in the autumn of 1990. And then we had a much greater progress and support one we now have. At most, we were about. 25 pieces in the meetings. Today it has been the most about. 10 pieces. But the number is not essential.

The first time we ran the church, it was wonderful, good and proper. How I think it is also now we have not had the great success yet! I think the progress and the possibilities are much greater now that apostasy is so large understand the established churches. Word of the Lord is expensive and of visions and revelations are scarce.

The first time we ran the church Smyrna Oslo we put it down because of financial reasons. But it was basically disbelief on my part. We had bought an apartment that was too small for us when we had two young daughters, then (only one bedroom). We broke up and moved to the West Coast. But one can learn from their mistakes, believe it never was God's perfect will, God's only legitimate purpose.
But God is good. After many years in western God called us back to Oslo in 2005. We settled ourselves first on Skullerud before we bought the \ built the house we now live in the Mortensrud.

Both my wife and I have had good jobs and everything has gone right for us as a family. God is and will remain good and faithful if we are faithless.

We have been a part of the Pentecostal contexts after we moved back to Oslo with mixed success. However, control and man-management is great within its all too many churches. Even there also. It has been one of the main reasons that my family realized that it is difficult to serve God within its established churches which control "hangs" in the walls. And the relationships between each other is very weak.

But when we advertised and began with open meetings 6 September in 2009, as a large and heavy stone was rolled from my shoulders. Finally.

Oldest daughter of my said it time and time again. You did not come to Oslo for anything other than to start the church, so true, so true. Actually, we had quite excellent on the west coast in every way.
What is our vision and mission? Very much!

I have an article about the church in Ephesus. Being such a church is my goal.

I have my wishes and dreams. But one need both to ask God what you will. And see the reality. Reality now is that I must have my regular job and run the church on time.

The desire is to quit my job and run the church full time. But when I depend on God and human support. Do you have faith and do you need a Word church?
Where a study God's word and do everything we can to live it?
This is where my call is Oslo, which is to make disciples. Pray for me, family, business and service. Support us financially so that God will be realized.
We all rely on good and faithful employees.
You are God's farmland Paul said about the church.
What it helps with good grain if it is not a ground to put it in? Nothing.
Therefore, I also dependent brothers and sisters to support me in ministry and the task in the operating Smyrna Church in Oslo.
Will you be with? Come to the meetings. Join. Support financially and in prayer. With the gift and ministry God has given you. We need you!

The vision for the Smyrna church is first and foremost to keep the word of God. Both in life and learn! This is a Word church!

See the article whole counsel of God to salvation.

Make that the first Christians who preached the counsel of God for salvation (Acts 20, 27 for I held nothing back, but preached unto you the whole counsel of God).
Come and join the party is already started singing Hans Inge Fagervik in an old song. You are invited to the meal, the party is already underway. Would you like to join, you must respond by answering yes Thank you. And come to join.
The choice is yours. Good luck with your choice dear brother and sister. And all the others are also very welcome in the name of Jesus to be with! And if we meet at a meeting here in Smyrna Oslo, let's meet within its thrones in prayer and praise.

Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/01/nr-182-all-things-of-smyrna-oslo-is.html

søndag 29. januar 2012

Nr. 229: Pentecostals and charismatics are Jumbo-Christians!

Nr. 229:

Pentecostals and charismatics are Jumbo-Christians!

2. Pet. 3. 18 but grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Him be glory both now and forevermore! Amen

After I got saved and baptized in water and spirit for good 30 years ago, I eventually some thoughts about Pentecostals versus other believers. Then I also have a Lutheran background when I am baptized, or to put it more accurate, sprinkled with a little water in the three titles from the priest's hand. And later confirmed, etc. I thought something like that. Pentecostals were those who were closest to evangelical Christianity, while the other was a long distance there from. This is of course a simplification, but what do I do now and what is reality?

This requires very much if one should be able to give an answer to

It is only God and he alone knows the hearts, and no one can say with certainty whether one is on the right path. It is not until the day we all will be within its God with our lives that will prove who served him or not. Personally, I believe that very, very many will be quite surprised on the day. Moddy said:

Moody said: There are three things I will be surprised when I come to
The sky.
1) That I am there.
2) That the ones I expected to be there is not there.
3) The I did not expect to see there is there.

To believe that we know everything, it's wrong. But Scripture also speaks about the spiritual judges all things, as a maturing of the Christian life, we must expect and so shall it be.

I do not speak for everyone, but few who will listen and is able to hear

Joh. Obvious. 3. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him, and he with me.

Jesus said it himself that in the end he will stand without passing most of the churches in the western world and the desire to get into. He is the church's foundation and head of the church, is no past and want to get into. But it will only be the few that open up and will be able to let Jesus in and he will keep the sacrament of the individual, that is, communion, intimacy.

The statistics tell

I read a statistic from the U.S. where it was the Catholic church, which is the lowest among the believers when it comes to divorce and remarriage. While the religious movement is highest, t.o.m. higher than non-believers. It tells me that Satan has fooled almost all the Pentecostal \ Charismatic movement right where he wants it!
Jesus hates churches today

John, Revelation. 3. 15 I know thy works, that you are neither cold nor hot, I wish you were cold or hot! 16 Therefore, since you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I utspy thee out of my mouth.

And when we read the text carefully as it was to "larger" confession to the larger and more comprehensive apostasy and deception was. We read further:

17 Because you say I am rich and have abundance, and made nothing, and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.

Confession was just a cover, to allow himself to all that the flesh and the world åttrar. Here are Pentecostals and charismatics all to give permission and acceptance for the world and all what this is and represents to gain free access and scope of the congregation and the individual's life. Pentecostals and charismatics are in many ways the most deluded and most misguided believers have been since so much liberal theology and the great acceptance of the world has come so hard and straight into the church. These are numerous examples. Here is an example from Philadelphia Hamar, KS on Friday 27 \ 1-2012:

Gather to dance in Philadelphia, Hamar
Hundreds of young people find their way to Philadelphia when the Christian youth groups in Hamar invite to party.
Dance, play, worship, and video clips are some of the content when the cross-ecclesiastical work Viva la Vida every six weeks inviting Hamar's youth to the party in Philadelphia, Hamar.
- We collect about 400 young people and the vast majority of them are unchurched, says Martin Bratgjerd who is active in youth work in Philadelphia, Hamar.
- Saturday after we had Viva la Vida, we have something we call the lighthouse where young people learn more about God and have the opportunity to follow-up, says Bratgjerd eagerly.
Viva la Vida led by Ole Jose Norum from Strange, began in Hamar Free Church and is the result of years of good cooperation between the Christian youth groups in Hamar. (End of quote).

For me it is really difficult to comment on this, as this is just what the world is to come into the church with dancing and everything, apart from alcohol. Drop-out rate is now so deep and so clear in the Pentecostal movement in Norway, that really can not say that Pentecostalism is a Christian movement in the true sense, when I could have 1,000 examples of which are at least as bad if not worse!

What is the solution?

Joh. Obvious. 3. 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold, glowed in the fire, that you can be rich and white garments, that you may clothe yourself in them and your nakedness shame not to be revealed, and eye-salve to anoint your eyes with , so that you can see! 19 All the people I love them, rebuke and chasten me: be zealous therefore and repent thee!

There is solution for it and they will, but you must want or so there will be no solution and deliverance! The solution is to remove this from Laoidikea congregation point by point, step by step, and God is back in your life and in the church.

1) Gold, annealed in the fire, that you can get rich

This speaks of a faith that is not theoretical, but believe in active participation as we read in James. It is the belief that prevails in a legal life that Jesus will light (Luke 18.8) when he comes back, it will be a big shortage.

James 2 17 Thus, even the faith: it has no works, is dead in itself. 18 But someone will say, Thou hast faith, and I have works. Show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works! 19 You believe that God is one, you are doing well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 And you will know it, you foolish man, that faith without works is useless? 21 Abraham, our father, he was not justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith wrought with his works, and that faith was perfected by works, 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness: and he was called God's friend. 24 I see that man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

2) white garments, that you may clothe yourself in them and your shameful nakedness not be revealed

White clothing speaks of deeds worthy of repentance and nakedness shameful speeches that the world sees us, both positive and negative when we are an open letter known and read of all men. White clothing also talks about standing within its God, when God requires holiness of being in his presence.

Joh. Obvious. 19. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him the glory! for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife hath made herself ready, 8, and it's given her to dress in clean and shiny fine linen. For the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Zechariah 3 1 Then he let me see Joshua the high priest, standing before the angel, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. 2 But the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke you, Satan! Lord rebuke you, He that hath chosen Jerusalem! Is not this man a smoking fire, torn out of the fire? 3 But Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood for the angel's face. 4 And the angel answered and said unto them that stood before him: Take the filthy garments from him! And to himself he said: Behold, I will take your iniquity away from you and dress in festive clothes. 5 Then I said: Put a clean hat on his head! And they put the clean hat on his head and had him other clothes while the angel of the Lord was there.

3) Eye salve to anoint your eyes with, that you can see

Eye Salve speaks about God's word must be us some time and we need to experience to see the riches and the truth that is in Christ and God's word. God has shown me many things I had never heard of the Pentecostal movement, which is that God is triune, God will not leave any burn in an eternal hell, remarriage is sin, especially for preachers and many other truths. Eye Ointment is necessary and important to get the heart enlightened eyes so that we can gaze into God's word and see the wonderful truths that exist and there. The truth sets us free, and the truth is that Jesus is God's word.

Ephesians 1 18 and give your heart enlightened eyes, so I can understand the hope that he has called you to, and the riches of the glory of his inheritance among the saints.
1. Kor. 2. 10 But our God has revealed by his Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God, 11 of who among the people know what living in man, not man's spirit, which is in him? Thus, know no what living in God, without God's Spirit, 12 but we have not received the spirit world, we have received the Spirit of God, that we shall know what is given us by God.

4) All the people I love them, rebuke and chasten I

God is not only love, but he is one who will punish, educate and nurture us so that we become like Jesus in everything. It is because of the chastisement that we can tolerate suffering and hardship. Believers who have only said is not true believers, which is when the storms and adversity comes into our lives that is who we are and what we're made of. It is through the negative to the positive going forward. It is when there has been a long night and a appreciate the sunrise and without the long night had never been any sunrise. It is through trials, we have "proven" who we are and who we really serve and belong.

Heb. 12. 5 and I have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as to the children: My son! heed not the Lord's instruction to call and do not be discouraged when chastened by him, 6 for the Lord loves he chastens, and He scourges every son whom he takes himself off. 7 It is for chastisement of guilt that I can tolerate suffering, God is with you as with sons. For whom is the son that his father does not chasten? 8 But in no discipline, which all have their part, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Moreover, our carnal fathers, we had to optuktere, and we had reverence for them, shall we not much more obey the spirits Father, so we may live? 10 For Hine disciplined us for a few days after his thick, but he disciplines to our benefit that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 All chastening seems well, while it is on, not to be joyous, but grievous: but since it gives them thereby become opøvd, peaceable fruit of righteousness.
James 1 2 Act it all joy, my brethren, when I come in all sorts of temptations, 3 knowing that the trying of your faith worketh patience; 4 but patience must lead to the perfect work, that ye may be perfect and complete, not lacking anything.

5) Therefore be zealous and repent thee

Jealous is to be wholeheartedly and thoroughly. We must repent 180 degrees, the church need to repent as strong as the world. Both of you have heard the same message of repentance. Both have failed, except that the world's people have never known Christ, and thus have not had and have the same opportunity.
I watched a TV program with Egil Svartdahl and he and an older sister in the Lord would draw a manna grains to Svartdahl. Every time that they drew up biel verse that said the same thing again and again that he should repent and every time they laid down versa, and said they would not have this but something nice. It is always nice when God speaks but necessary and proper.

Mateus 3 2 and saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand! 3 For it is his prophet Isaiah speaks when he says: It is the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the Lord's way, make his paths straight! 4 But John had a garment of camel's hair and leather belt around his loins, and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then took Jerusalem and all Judea and the country about Jordan out to him, 6 and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins. 7 But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said to them, You brood of vipers! Who taught you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring ye therefore fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think I can say by yourselves, We have Abraham as our father! for I say unto you, that God can raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire, 12 he has his kasteskovl in its hand, and he will clean his barn and gather his wheat laden, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.
Acts 13. But Elymas the sorcerer for so uttydes his name withstood them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 Then was Saul, also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, and he looked intently at him and said: 10 You are full of all deceit and all evil, the devil's children, enemy of all righteousness! you will not keep up with expected Lord right ways? 11 And now, behold, the Lord's hand is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, to a time not seeing the sun. And immediately there fell the mist and darkness upon him, and he went about, seeking someone who could lead him by the hand

Now the solution is presented for all, it is only to choose which path one will choose and move on.

5Mos 30:19 I take heaven and earth to witness against you: The life and death, I have presented to you, blessing and curse; choose as your life, so you may live, you and your family!

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lørdag 28. januar 2012

Nr. 228: Thank you Prime Minister to ask the Jews to apologize for what happened during the Second World War!

Nr. 228:

Thank you Prime Minister to ask the Jews to apologize for what happened during the Second World War!

Facts from Wikipedia:

At the outbreak of World War II, the number in excess of 2 100 Of this number was 350 refugees from the European mainland. Around 290 were stateless persons who had lived in Norway for many years. In the early days after the outbreak of war the Germans with caution. Life was pretty much as usual for the Jews, but was more difficult over time. At the beginning of the war, fled some Norwegians by sea to Britain, including some Jews. As the war progressed, this route is very difficult to use, and after the first year was largely escape to Sweden.

In May 1941 it went out to write the country's chief of police to collect all the radios in Jewish homes. Radios were banned for the rest of the population in the autumn. The occupying power began at the same time also to draw up lists of Jews in the country as well as Jewish businesses. Jewish businesses were eventually labeled "Jüdisches Geschäft." Until the summer of 1941, only a dozen Jews were deported to German camps, while at the same time had several hundred other Norwegians have been deported. Actions specifically against the Jews was because of that little noticeable to most people, and people were also bombarded by German propaganda against the Jews. In January 1942 it went out the message to all Chiefs of Police and sheriffs that the passport of all Jews in Norway should be stamped with a J.
At a conference 20 January 1942 in the Wannsee outside Berlin did the German government a decision on the implementation of "Die Endlösung" - the final, complete solution to the Jewish question. It was decided that all Jews in German and German-occupied countries to be brought to concentration camps in Poland and Germany. This decision was of great importance for the Jews in Norway. In March 1942 the Jewish section be added to the Constitution. Towards the end of October was a law passed that indicated that all property belonging to Norwegian or stateless Jews were seized for the benefit of the Treasury. Mon created Liquidation Board to take care of this.

25. October 1942 sent the state police chief Karl Marthinsen out a iltelegram to all police in the country with the following order:

"All male persons over 15 years if legetimasjonskort is stamped with J, be arrested at any age up [...] arrests to take place on Monday 26 October at. 0600 ... "
Some people got during the 25 October notice from people within the police and they immediately began to notice further, in addition to traveling around to warn people who had no telephone. The result was that around 250 were arrested in Oslo and Southern Norway, which was less than half of the Jews was issued arrest warrants for. It would take just one month before a campaign was launched to arrest all women and children. The arrests were mostly carried out by the Norwegians.

The same day as the arrests of women and children, 26 November, was 523 men, women and children aged 4 months to 81 years of power brought on board the prison ship DS "Danube", which was moored on Vippetangen in Oslo. The ship sailed down to Stettin, where the prisoners were loaded onto trains headed for Auschwitz. Only eight of the prisoners were alive when the war was over.

In the magazine Hirdspeilet stood there in November 1942: "One of Hird old goal was realized in this month, as the great hereditary enemy the Jew now finally been stripped of authority to continue to stay in Norway. Their assets are seized of great woe and moans for our opponents. Ultimately, however, it was our money people passed, and now, it is the end for good. "In December the same year wrote the NS-sheet Borlaug," cleanup of the Norwegian Jewish world now exceeds certain to come. All male Jews are long on good roads to his removal, and provisional destination. The women and children all offshoots go these days the same way. At the same wound all Jewish enterprises that are not considered desirable to continue operating. The Jewish assets confiscated it further, "
During the war the hospital in some cases, a temporary refuge. Jews were from time to time, "admitted" without being sick, which in many cases bought them NOK time to escape to Sweden, as the occupying power for a long time seemed hospitalized Jews alone.
The Jewish refugees were saved, came mainly to Sweden, although some also were saved over the UK. They were helped by resistance fighters and civilians Norwegian women and men, including even some police officers. It cost a lot of money to operate these escape routes, so it was usually demanded money from the refugees. Extra money was general opposition to further work, and there was rarely any were rejected even though they had no money. It was used a lot of escape routes and capacity on routes out of Oslo was the fall of 1942 from 50 to 60 people a week. Opposition People had priority, but it almost never happened that the Jews had to give way in favor of these. The occupying power introduced in the second half of 1942, the death penalty for those who helped Jews to escape. The pilots were in constant fear of being arrested, and they often ended up as refugees themselves. Some had problems with the nerves after having guided only one or two groups of refugees across the border.
Even though most escape routes consisted of transport by car and train and the last stretch on foot, there were also a number of innovative methods were used, such as transport across the border in sealed railway wagons and load of hay.
During the war, 768 people of Jewish descent deported - 27 of them survived. In addition, lost 22 Jewish life in Norway during the same period as a result of murder, extrajudicial executions and suicide. Around 1,100 were saved - around 925 of them to Sweden. (End of quote).

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Enter the following: We want to bring our thanks to you Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg for your courageous and correct decision to ask all Norwegian Jews apologize that we in Norway could allow as many Jews were sent to Germany to never come back to Norway back. If this was late, so we are proud and happy, better late than never, thanks!

1. Genesis 12 3 And I will bless them that bless thee (Israel), and whoever curses you I will curse: and in thee shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Here is the speech: Speech at the ceremony on Holocaust Remembrance Day on Friday 27 \ 1-2012

Here is the excuse for all Norwegian Jews of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg:

I find that today the right to express our deep regret that this could happen on Norwegian soil!

Dear all,
This year it is 70 years since the "Danube" casting off from the quay, and embarked on shame while sailing.
532 Jews were brutally stowed on board.
Only nine returned.
One of them was Samuel Steinmann. He is the last survivor of the "Danube".
I'm especially glad you are here with us.
Today we remember the millions of innocent people who were wiped out of history's most heinous genocide.
We remember all of the Norwegian Jews who were killed.
We remember the Roma, the disabled, gays and other victims of the Hitler regime's cruelty.
The Holocaust will forever stain the history of mankind.

Thursday 26 November 1942 came the Holocaust in Norway.
One of the many who were arrested that day was Ruth Maier.
Her story is well known thanks to Gunvor Hofmo and Jan Erik Vold.
At dawn on 26 November heavy boots stomped up the stairs in rooming house "Englehjemmet" in Oslo.

Shortly after, scared girlfriends humble Jewish girl being led out the door in Dalsbergstien 3
The last glimpse of Ruth Maier is that she is pushed into a black car by two powerful Norwegian police.
Five days later, the 22-year-old's death.
Murdered in the gas chamber in Auschwitz.
Fortunately there is a human characteristic to learn from our mistakes.
And it's never too late.
Over 50 years after the war Parliament established a settlement, collectively and individually, for the economic liquidation of the Norwegian Jews were subjected.
The result was a moral acceptance of state responsibility for acts committed against Norwegian Jews during the 2 World War II.
What about crimes against Ruth Maier and the other Jews?
The killings are without doubt the Nazis' work.
But it was the Norwegians arrested.
It was the Norwegians who drove the cars.
And it happened in Norway.
During the war, 772 Norwegian Jews and Jewish refugees were arrested and deported.
Only 34 survived.
Without denying the Nazis responsible, it's time to see the police and other Norwegians participated in the arrests and deportations of Jews.
I find that today the right to express our deep regret that this could happen on Norwegian soil.
Just as important as to apologize is to learn.
And more importantly:
To commit ourselves to combat the attitudes and actions that lead us away from decency and civilization.
70 years after pains me to say that the ideas that led to the Holocaust is still alive.
All over the world, we see that individuals and groups, spread intolerance and fear.
They grow violent ideologies that can lead to anti-Semitism and hate against minorities.
The Norwegian Jews say that they live in fear.
In the newspaper, Our Country, we read that some of our Jews are afraid to make themselves visible as Jews.
How should we not have it in Norway.
No one should have to hide their faith, cultural identity or sexual orientation.
Every human being is of equal worth.
All have equal rights.
This and only this, it should be in Norway
Naturally, it may be tempting to turn away from the discomfort.
Ignore the nascent signs of evil.
But we are not allowed.
When we fail as human beings.
When we fail ourselves.
Instead, we love each other to meet totalitarian deceivers with firmness.
We shall argue against them with steadfast faith in humanity and equality.
To conduct their attitudes out of the darkness with the light of knowledge is incumbent on every one of us.
To protect vulnerable groups against threats and violence is a mission for the community.
The goal is the same:
It should be safe to be Jewish in Norway.
No - no man, no minority - should have to live in fear in this country.
Thank you for your attention!

Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/01/nr-224-stoltenberg-says-sorry-to.html

Nr. 227: Norway TODAY. A comment about their own article and today's broadcasts on Hanvolds TV

Nr. 227:

Norway TODAY. A comment about their own article and today's broadcasts on Hanvolds TV.

Do I - quite seriously - be allowed to ask if you agree - (Amos 3: 3: Can two walk together unless they agreed with each other?) - Vision Norway profiling Edler who is in league with these "prophets "that you yourself have written about in the link below? It is a known fact that Bob Jones as their "mentor" is a very controversial and discussed false prophet along with everything else that is now presented at Vision Norwegian TV. It is not without seriousness and consequences of both short and long term - to open for the entire hierarchy of the controversial so-called prophets and their environment - in the Norwegian public sphere as a TV, however, is. It is possible to investigate for those who wish to acquaint themselves with the Vision Norway allows the "Christian" and "non-Christian" in Norway have served in our Lord's Name.
Here is their own "contribution" in the matter. There is much else I could send but will foreløpiog content myself with this. "Try everything." And "try the spirits whether they are of God" are both orders to us in the Bible's letters. Do you do it - you who work and are part of Vision Norway and their broadcasts on the air? Regards Eva Nilssen

Nr. 226: Why is so many Pentecostals and charismatics of the way of the Lord?

Nr. 226:

Why is so many Pentecostals and charismatics of the way of the Lord?

Luke 11 21. When a strong armed guards his own palace, his goods are in peace;
22. but when one stronger than he come upon him and overcomes him, when he takes his armor that he had put his trust, and paying the prey he has taken from him.
23. Whoever is not with me, he is against me, and whoever does not gather with me, he spray.
24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and when it does not find it, it says, I will return unto my house whence I came out of.
25. And when it arrives, he finds it swept and garnished.
26. Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits worse than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the latter is worse with the man than the first.

God's word speaks not only to look at teaching and what is preached, it is most important. But fruits and how human life ends. God's word speaks of us as believers to become more and more like Jesus and go from glory to glory, this certainly does not resemble what has happened and is happening to many Pentecostal preachers. When it comes to charismatic preachers, it is far worse, but they have never had the same assumptions. This speaks the word of God that our walk as believers should be.

Word. 4. 18 But the righteous is like the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the høilys day.

And we should especially notice the end of their lives:

Heb. 13. 7 Remember your leaders, who have spoken the word of God to you! Give heed to the end of their journey, and imitate their faith!

It fails so many and it does that only it should and should all ask themselves several questions about what they really believe in, it is from God or is it also the evil, that Satan, who has also gained access? It is to me very clearly that the word I opened with regard to spirits. They go and takes seven spirits worse than himself to attack and try to get a foothold for those who have been complied with God's spirit. They are Satan targets and target No. 1 Here are Pentecostals extra risk when they believe and many experienced spiritual body and what it means to know God in a deeper way than many others.
Spirit's Fullness and of the spirit baptism commits, it is not just to get without assuming the costs and be willing to pay the price, every day I die said Paul, here fails so many along the way. But to say to many Pentecostal friends "excuse", they are more vulnerable than others when they experience it as God's word speaks about and what the early Christians preached. Not only to be saved, but that God may be all in all in the church itself in time.

What I have seen

After 31 years as a believer, I have seen a lot. It is the beginning is not complete. Actually, this is why so many Pentecostals and charismatics also derails so strange when we read God's word. Jesus says that they will be experiencing a seven times more intense spiritual battle than those who do not experience to be filled with God's spirit. This is black on white in both Matthew and the Gospel of Luke, which I took to the introduction.

Luke 11 24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and when it does not find it, it says, I will return unto my house whence I came out of.
25. And when it arrives, he finds it swept and garnished.
26. Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits worse than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the latter is worse with the man than the first.

All we were dirty and filled with Satan, before we were saved teaches writing.

Eph. 2. 2, which I formerly walked in after the world's races, after the chief of air power, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among which also we formerly walked in our flesh desires, as we did the flesh and the mind's will, and we were by nature children of wrath even as others.

So we found, too, that when the demon loosened the grip and out, then came the Spirit of God into. This is what the Bible to be born again. After one has been born again experience one to be baptized with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues, that I myself experienced. But you need one and it is normal that is a daily and constantly spiritual fullness. It's about to do to be filled with the Spirit of God every day and walk with God. This is where it fails to so many who do that demons and evil spirits get a foothold again. But we must also be aware that there is a "lift" for the Spirit-filled Christian to experience the game far more intense and tougher than those who are not Spirit-filled and walk with God, Jesus said seven times. This suggests that Satan has a perfect hatred and dislike all Spirit-filled believers on an additional unusual and ugly way. Satan hates, he will steal, kill and destroy, it is his undeniable goal. This objective is directed against all and all, but most of all Spirit-filled believers! Are you aware of that? Satan hates everyone, but Pentecostals and others who emphasize the spiritual fullness, and to walk with the Lord - like Enoch - hate him with an intense and a perfect hat!

For me it is so many Pentecostals and charismatics who have failed, not least at the end of his life. What is the reason for it? There is nothing to do with the Lord and God's word, but always with us. Let us learn and watched us for not falling into the same ditch.

1. Kor. 10. 13 Eder has no temptation taken that people can not bear, and God is faithful, who will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation and its output, so I can tolerate it.

Let's examine some examples and see what makes that so many Pentecostals and charismatics derails. There are of course many more reasons than those I here take up but a small part of the way we will get NOK. Unfortunately there are examples galore to mention, all we must take care not to come there with those who did not complete the course and distance stood out!

Toralf Gilbrandt is a good example. He stood for a literary production as it is great respect. But how he ended his life and his service? As a big, big tragedy! It's like being afraid to see how spiritually blind he was at the end when he, among other things believed that the false prophet Ulf Ekman was a great Bible teacher, the largest in Scandinavia. The false prophet Aril Edvardsen that he had even written a book against him was "reconciled" with no Edvardsen had gone back on some points but got even worse when a Gilbrandt wrote the so-called "white book". Gilbrant died as a spiritual cripple, tragic when scripture says that we should "give heed to the end of their journey, and imitate their faith."

Emanuel Minos is another example, the man is dangerous for the spiritual life, referring to other articles I have written. http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/09/nr-39-emmanuel-minos-imposter.html

Ludvig Karlsen started so well and ended up as a seducer, deceiver and door opener for a lot of what is about to destroy the Pentecostal Movement in Norway today. He opened up for re-marry for all. He was like a door opener for the false prophet in January Hanvold when he started Vision Norway. Without Evangelisenteret impetus was never sure that channel come up and forward, tragic!

The "new" generation of Pentecostals do not love God's word, but everything else! This is just like scripture says that is seven times worse if you do not draw near the Lord. Scripture is being fulfilled right before our eyes, and a scream and prophesy of the coming of Jesus and the last to join the NOK many of today's Pentecostals if they do not come to the realization of truth and experience the power of the gospel again.

The charismatic movement or religious movement is really Pentecostalism again seven times worse! Where will this end? Pentecostal Movement in Norway and NOK elsewhere in the Western world today has become accepted in most Christian camps but belong really more the great whore than any other Pentecostal movement is today. One has gone from being a revival and Bible movement, to become a Backslidden and seduced Christian movement if one can say it about that they are Christian. And when one knows that the religious movement or the charismatic movement is an offshoot of the Pentecostal movement is seven times worse, as being a depressed, sad and will actually do just one thing, calling out to God and ask for the grace of such a wonderful revival that would end this way. From being a Bible-believing and God was in their midst, to be liberal and not really be God and his word and spirit opposed on every level! So it was today in 2012, we hope, and cry to God for mercy that he must get the Pentecostal movement in mind because the spiritual fathers who left the movement up to 100 years ago but has become more apostate and worse than ever. Although Lutheran, Seventh Day Adventists and many others are not nearly as far from the Lord today as unfortunately most Pentecostals and charismatics are. How can it go if one does not guard himself and take himself in the last. Begun is not finished. The good start can very often make the course worse when all forces are removed at once and nothing has been spared in the end. It is the one who endures to the end will be saved, Jesus says even as a warning to those who live in the future.

Gal. 4. 19 My children, I once again give birth with pain, until Christ is formed in you!

We all need to take care of the movement if we are not to be left behind on the road. It is as Jesus himself said that, as we have already taken from Luke gospel.

Matt. 12. 43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, but can not find it. 44 Then he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out of. And when it arrives, it detects the free and swept and garnished. 45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits worse than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the latter is worse with the man than the first. Thus shall it be also with this evil generation.

Jesus said how it would go to Israel because they rejected him and his message. How will it be with the Pentecostal movement in Norway and NOK throughout the Western world. When they reject the Lord's words and the man that God sends into the movement, Always! Notice what Jesus said, it is very important. That the demon who left us when we were saved, will bring seven worse than himself. All that one has lost its spiritual fullness. This is Christ's own words, not mine.

The solution, what is it or?

It is to repent and begin skrasj again, it will be a possibility that God could have saved the pieces. It is NOK all we can hope to be rescued in the Pentecostal movement in Norway and NOK when we see the whole Christian world under one. At stumps, and what is left of God to be saved. The bulk and not to say almost everything within its Christianity is so unbiblical and unhealthy been that we must see Christianity stands for a shipwreck before or since, defection is too far gone. There are too many rock concerts, for many and deep extensive slides, and God's words and teachings of Jesus and the Apostles are so neglected and unloved that one must look at Christianity, especially Pentecostalism in Norway Laodicea churches.

Acts 27. 35 When he had said this, he took bread, gave thanks to God for everyone's eyes and broke it and began to eat; 36 when they were all good cheer, and took food to him too. 37 We were in all two hundred and six and seventy souls on the ship. 38 And when they had eaten enough, they lightened the ship by throwing the wheat into the sea. 39 And now it was day, they knew not the country, but they were was a creek that had a beach, where they determined him to put the ship on land if it were possible. 40 They then cut the anchors and left them in the sea, and solved, also, they were silent as they had wrapped around pipes, then hoisted the mainsail to the wind and held down on the beach. 41 But they ran into a land which had deep ocean on both sides here support those on the ship, and go bridge house ran down firmly and stood motionless, but the aft bridge house was torn off the breakers. 42 War people would now kill the prisoners, lest any of them should swim away and escape; 43 but the centurion, who wanted to save Paul, kept them in their advice, and commanded that they which could swim should first throw him out and come ashore , 44 and then the other, some on planks, partly on the pieces of the ship. And this show was so that all the rocks themselves ashore.

The ship was knocked to pieces by the rocks when the ship had gone off course and too close to land. And the way the prisoners were free, Hallelujah. That's what the rescue, that the condition should be such that it was the ship that Paul and all the other prisoners were on, there must be an "accident" before it should and could be better. Then they had to cling to what was to cling and thus save lives and to experience new life. Let God shake it shake you, and there will be an opportunity for God that we do not recognize the scope and grandeur of.

Heb. 12. 27 But the words, yet again, gives to recognize a changing of the things that are shaken, as they are created, so the things that are not shaken, to be at. 28 Therefore, when we receive a kingdom which can not be shaken, let us be thankful, and thus serve God, to his delight, with shame and fear!

When apostasy and deception is soft, deep and intense. When I think really that there is no human solution, but that God will shake the whole Christian world, especially the Pentecostal movement, which once stood foremost in spiritual battle. Today, however, lagged behind, t.o.m. behind many others, then it is only God's intervention we can expect. That he intervenes and allows a concussion conducted in one or more ways, so it has become today, all human endeavors and carnal power only futile and will be counterproductive. Let God get back control and let God's word be the leading one, nothing else.

The revival will come on the remains of the old, so it has always been and will be again. What God will and will do, is to overturn all the established order. There we read, among other things the obvious. 17-18, and based on it. Then will come the Lord and to create and make something completely new with a different teaching and preaching than that which is preached and which is widely accepted. We must reckon with a concussion, a shipwreck and a tornado will hit all apostate and deceived churches, which NOK is the majority! For the basis of what makes the Lord something new that puts everything in the right place and where he is great and all flesh be silent before him. God is the one who makes it and all honor to wear! It is a message that says to the bride today, it is to get out of all churches that are bound to each other in a "discretionary" association not testify bridal love, but skjøgekjærlighet. A turn of a little here and there, but is not faith received the word that is Christ. Pentecostal Movement in Norway is now with both feet planted in the middle of the great whore, and we can not in any way claim that it is an evangelical church and the movement that is based on Christ, but based on everything else so far is falling away come. So reads the message to them and us all.

Joh. Obvious. 18. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven say: Come out of her, my people, that ye shall not be partakers of her sins, and that you do not get any of her plagues!

Related links: http://www.worldchallenge.org/nb/node/5436

fredag 27. januar 2012

Nr. 225: FALSE PROPHETS! NOW into your living room! So Hanvold get Money!

Nr. 225:
FALSE PROPHETS! NOW into your living room! So Hanvold get Money!

Interested in Christian media about such things at all? They should .. We have now been served one after the other on TV Vision Norway and I call for a truly REAL Christian argument with good foothold in the WORD OF GOD.
After uncontrolled laughter for a long time. Something that does not have with either joy or strength in the Lord to do. Moreover, "the spirits of prophets prophets obey." Ridiculous is ukontrolerbar.
NOW was recently Sharon Stone - a "prophet and apostle," "launched last day and coming in the next month or in March. In the meantime, it appears now a KRIS nobler, a "biiig prophet to bring both the one and other falsksneri of gullible people and now they are SPECIAL OUT FOR OUR YOUNG! ATTENTION ATTENTION! For we have not been looking for them! Have we??


Check this link here and see what he sstår for! Demonic visits to the room and then asks the demon "where are you?" etc etc! Do not throw him out, no! Oh no, they're the same spirit!

I heard for sure, "" crass out. " But now the NOK of seduction, false prophets, uncontrolled hypos, fake "save notes" mammon money market with promises that basically rob people and not with "Autumn"!

Where are you in all this? IHOP and Kansas City proftene and apostle-generation! It is totally taken out of the Biblical dimension and context! It reminds me all the magicians of Pharaoh who did the same as Moses - until it was all about BLOOD!
I'm really looking forward to a genuine Acts Refugees time again where we get the characters that Ananias and Sapphira when they lied to God! DA, no one joined them longer to ghost it is written!
I'm not just dyktg tired of seduction to Hanvold and this "TVkirken" his, but seriously jealous of future and existing children who walk INTO the New Age stresses seduction! As I live and touches me and is in the Lord Jesus Christ must be allowed for light MEDIA when these forførerne starts to go after and stealing our children and our children's SOUL !!!!!!!!!
With a true and zealous greeting from Eva Nilssen

Se for more: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/01/nr-216-brandon-spiker-offshoot-of.html

Nr. 224: Stoltenberg says sorry to the Norwegian Jews

Nr. 224:

From VG 27 \ 1-12

Stoltenberg says sorry to the Norwegian Jews

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg today deplored the treatment Norwegian Jews were during WWII.

Friday marked the International Holocaust Remembrance Day with events across the country. In Oslo, held among others, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, speaking at the quayside. The annual anniversary of the United Nations was created to commemorate the Holocaust.

The date of the celebration was selected to the events of 27 January 1945, when Soviet troops liberated about 7,000 prisoners in the concentration camp Auschwitz.

- The killing is without doubt the Nazi work. But it was the Norwegians arrested. It was the Norwegians who drove the cars. And it happened in Norway. I find that today the right to express our deep regret that this could happen on Norwegian soil, says Stoltenberg.

COMMENT: Aslak Nore (4 December 2011): - An apology from the highest level

Norway participated

It is now 70 years since the Holocaust was a fact in Norway. 772 Norwegian Jews and Jewish refugees during the period 1942-1945 were arrested and deported. Only 34 survived.

- Without denying the Nazis responsible, it's time to see the police and other Norwegians participated in the arrests and deportations of Jews, said the Prime Minister.

Stoltenberg believes everyone has a responsibility to combat the ideas and attitudes that led to the Holocaust.

- 70 years after pains me to say that the ideas that led to the Holocaust is still alive. All over the world, we see that individuals and groups, spread intolerance and fear. They grow violent ideologies that can lead to anti-Semitism and hate against minorities. To conduct their attitudes out of the darkness with the light of knowledge is incumbent on every one of us, he says.


Trustees of the Jewish community, Ervin Kohn, is pleased that the apology finally came.

- I have long said that we need an excuse. But it's important for me to point out that only the guilty who can apologize. Stoltenberg and the government is not guilty of the suffering we inflicted, he says to VG Nett.

Kohn distinguish between guilt and responsibility.

- It's good to see that Stoltenberg takes responsibility for the attitudes and actions we suffered here in Norway. We wish that society should look at us as their Jews, and not a group outside. But there are Nazis alone is to blame, he says.

Kohn agrees that the Jews are still a threatened group.

- Jews are victims of hatred and discrimination in the world. As soon as something happens in the Middle East, increases the risk for us here in Norway. There are many conspiracy theories about Jews around the world today, based on fiction from the Nazis. There are still groups that encourage the murder of Jews and look upon us as a legitimate goal, says Kohn.

Holocaust survivor grateful

For 70 years was Samuel Steinmann and 531 other Norwegian Jews deported to capture the ship Donau.

- It does good to have that excuse and attention, but I honestly do not plan anything further on that a Norwegian official apology has not been before, says Steinmann said.

88-year-old is the only survivor from the DS Danube which embarked from the Port of Oslo 26 November 1942. Auschwitz was the terminus of the prisoners on board - men, women and children. Only very few would return. Samuel Stone's brother, Harry, was among the countless who died.

Samuel Steinmann got up and thanked Stoltenberg personally for words.


This is the first time a Norwegian prime minister expressed such regret, even if one acknowledges the Norwegian responsibility was implicit in the restitution settlement, which was completed in 1999. When the Storting allocated 450 million in compensation for the property and assets that were deprived of Norwegian Jews during the war.

- Sorry was clearer and more specific than we have heard from official Norwegian sources. It focuses on all Norwegian, both agencies and individuals who in one way or another were involved in the Holocaust, says historian Odd-Bjørn Fure, director of the Holocaust Centre in Norway.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg told NTB that he meant to express an apology "on behalf of us all."

- An apology should have come before, but it's never too late to admit mistakes. In working with the speech I have seen that these words are missing. It was important that they came as a reinforcement of the financial settlement, said Stoltenberg.

KRF satisfy

Christian Democratic Party wants Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg's apology to the Norwegian Jews welcome.

- I am very pleased that Stoltenberg has taken encouragement from the Christian Democratic Party and apologize to the Norwegian Jews the responsibility of the Norwegian central government had jødedeportasjonene 70 years ago. This is also important for our self-understanding of what happened in our own country at the time, says parliamentary chairman Hans Olav Syversen in KrF.

He points at the same time on the Norwegian Jews' situation today.

- When one of three Jewish children in the Oslo schools have experienced bullying because they are Jews, it is disheartening numbers. And there have been reports that Jews do not dare to go in the Jewish community because of the security situation. CDP believes that a separate action against Jew-hatred are necessary. I hope the government will pursue this, said Syvertsen.


torsdag 26. januar 2012

Nr. 223: Trials are a test of who we are and where we stand!

Nr. 223:

Trials are a test of who we are and where we stand!

God wants us to understand why he allows trials, difficulties, suffering and the negative and sometimes hurts.

Proverbs 24:10 Showing thou discouraged in the day, then your power ring.
James 1 2 Act it all joy, my brethren, when I come in all sorts of temptations,
3 Knowing that the trying of your faith worketh patience;
4 but patience must lead to the perfect work, that ye may be perfect and complete, not lacking anything.
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he has stood his trial, he shall receive the crown of life which God has promised those who love him.

Self-centered believers

It is always sad, self-centered believers, even if they do not have it easy. We must understand and know the trials and tribulations, it is "normal" and belong to a Christian life.

Acts 2:22 p.m. as they strengthened the souls of the disciples and exhorted them to continue in the faith, saying: We must go into the kingdom of God through many tribulations.
Philip Pens Fighters 1:29 For unto you it was wished, for Christ's sake - not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for his sake,
2 Timothy 3:12 And all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
1 Peter 5:9 against him, steadfast in the faith, for I know that the same afflictions are added to your brethren in the world.

Clear evidence that the trials, difficulties and even suffering is the "normal" for a believer. Even though we are innocent, we as believers, "expect" to be denigrated and stamped. We can not help but affirm that illness is a reality that still exist 2000 years after Jesus disarmed the powers and authorities and put them openly as he showed himself, triumphing over them in it. God has all power in Heaven and on Earth, and could without any further effort to remove all suffering if it was not a feature of his eternal plan.
Many would like to clear God by claiming that he has nothing to our conditions to do, but frankly I find not much consolation in that thought. We really worship a God who does not know about our suffering? Or someone who is a helpless spectator of the Devil's devastation with their children? No, let us be clear at once that God not only knows about but is closely involved in our suffering. Let us go to the Bible to see what we can learn about God's purpose in suffering:

Beloved wonder you are not over the fire that comes over you at trial, as if it happened to you, nothing strange, but in the same wonder that I share in Christ's sufferings, you shall delight you, that even in his glorious revelation you may rejoice with exultation .
1 Peter 4:12-13

Verse 12 says we should not wonder when we fall into trials, as if there was something strange. When you experience a trial is not something out of what God has prescribed as normal. It is an integral part of God's plan for the Christians, that our joy will be complete.
In verse 13 I want you to notice the words "the same goal." These words are key to understanding the meaning of this section. We will rejoice "in the same measure" as we share in Christ's sufferings. If we have little share in his sufferings, we therefore look forward slightly. If we have a large share in his sufferings, we rejoice correspondingly large. This is because we will rejoice with exultation in his glorious revelation. Does not this mean, in other words, when we learn to know Jesus in the fellowship of His sufferings, so does this affect our pleasure in his glorious manifestation of the same positive direction? Yes, it is also the way we deal with difficulties, trials and sufferings that shows where we stand as believers and who we really are. Quoting again from Proverbs book one of my "favorite" verses in the Bible.

Proverbs 24:10 Showing thou discouraged in the day, then your power ring.

Faith Movement teachings claim that we as believers should have no trouble or anything negative when God is only "good"!

This sounds in many ways right. But we have a flesh to contend with all other people have and what is the biggest and most difficult truth is that this world, God is not God the Father, but Satan.

1 Corinthians 3:19 for the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written: He catches the wise in their wisdom,
2 Corinthians 4:4 in whom the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers minds, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is God's image, not to shine for them.

Now we can state that the trials and tribulations, it is "normal" Christian life. Yet should never be our main focus, as this is "given" us or permitted by God to teach him better to know ourselves and others!

10 different types of difficulties and trials

1) Persecution because one believes in Jesus and God's word, this type of difficulty is real here in Norway, was just a believer refused a job at Ullevål Hospital because he believed in biblical creation story and not BigBang is nonsense.
It is not only in the 3rd World persecution, even here in Norway and elsewhere in the western world.

Heb. 13. 3 Come prisoners in mind that their fellow prisoners, those who suffer evil, since the self is in the flesh!

2) Over the religious or other faiths. Ishmael will always pursue Isaac. There will always be conflict between the carnal and spiritual elements. Satan also uses false brothers and sisters who do not know better. There are those who believe that they serve God and t.o.m. to kill Jesus believers.

Joh. e. 16 1. These things have I spoken unto you that ye should not take offense. 2 They will expel you from the synagogues: yea, there comes a time when every one that beats you to death, to think that he shows God service. 3 And these things they do because they have not known the Father nor me.

3) The Bible describes that actually even the greatest of difficulty and trial of a self. There is an inner world in all of us who are the hardest and most important thing to overcome, it must and we will not be blind to. There lives an old Adam in us all demands.

Proverbs 25:28 Like a city whose walls are broken down and away, is a man who can not control his mind.
Prov 4:32 p.m. The long-suffering is better than a very quite, and who controls his temper than one who takes a city.

4) When the Israelites entered the land of Canaan as God said clearly to them that his blessing would get them to trial, because then they would soon forget God. Having the "light" and well is many times more difficult than to suffer and have a need, then for our flesh. We will make us a lot and forget God.

5. Genesis 8 7 When the Lord your God brings you into a good land, a land with flowing streams, with springs and deep water, springing forth in valleys and on hills, 8 a land of wheat and barley and vines and fig trees and pomegranates, a land with olive trees and honey, 9 a land where you shall eat your bread in poverty, where nothing should be lacking, a land where stones are iron, and where you can cut out the copper from the mountains, 10, and then when you eat and are satisfied and laws the Lord your God for the good land he has given you, 11 when the guard thee to forget the Lord your God, so you do not keep His commandments and his statutes and his laws, which I command you today, 12 and guard thee that you do not, when you eat and be fed, and build good houses and live in them, 13, and your cattle and your sheep increased, and thy silver and thy gold is increased, and all your property is increased, 14 that you not exalt thee in your heart, then you forget the Lord your God who brought thee out of Egypt, the house of bondage.

5) There is a trial to be neglected, ignored and lied for one believe in Jesus. We as believers must often be prepared to play 2 violin although it would not be so. God of this world is Satan, he knows how to manage people through the tank and the flesh will and way, the costs for a believer to experience this,
Matt. 5. 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for the kingdom of heaven is theirs. 11 Blessed are ye when they revile you and persecute you and lie to you all kinds of evil for my sake. 12 Rejoice and be glad you! for your reward is great in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets before you.

6) The community around is also a trial. Just think of all the ungodly acts and that, unfortunately, will not most people be saved. That in itself to be different than most others. Be light and salt against decay, it is helpful try. It is only when the kingdom of God breaks forth that society will not be an ordeal, but it will only be a great blessing.

Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt loses its savor, what shall it be salted? The pigeons are no longer good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.
Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light, a city set on a hill can not be hidden.

7) Going to the Lord's way will always lead us into a life of deprivation, confusion and other things that will put us on trial. Although this is God willing, we have to "cope" with our Gets Daring, Jesus had his sweat and blood.

Heb. 5. 7 And he has in his flesh days with strong crying and tears up worn prayer and cry to him who could save him from death, and he was heard for his godly fear, 8, and thus he learned, although he was the Son of obedience through what he suffered , 9, and when he was finished, he ophav of eternal salvation to all who obey him 10 and was called by God high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

8) Opposite to finish the race, get the game out with Jesus to the bitter end. It will always cost to be faithful for life and all life's struggles. We want to win some victories so retire, but it is not. My whole life is a war said Job, it is not there for us all? Yes!

Eph. 6. 13 Take therefore the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and stand after having done all.
Matt. 24. 13 But he that endureth to the end, he shall be saved.

9) Very often we are people like that, we cope with and overcome in all areas of our lives. But there is one thing that we have not said that, that break us if we are not just there taking up the struggle and triumphs. If for instance seen that many who are re-married as believers condemn others, not to mention the homosexuals. What use is it to condemn and to point out the homosexual life if not even live right? Nothing!

4M 32:23 But if you do not, when you sin against the Lord, and ye shall know that your sin will find you.
2Sam 12:5 When David was mighty angry with the man, and he said to Nathan, As the LORD lives, the man who has done this shall die, 6, and the lamb he shall pay fourfold, because he did this and did not show mercy . 7 Then Nathan said to David: You are the man! Thus says the Lord God of Israel: I anointed you king over Israel, and delivered you out of Saul's hand.

10) For some others, there are many little things that work directly damaging and breaking than. It is not the big things or one big thing, but all things together. All this is to put our lives under attack and we want to experience life as a trial or test. But all this is God wanted to know what lives in us and we will win after having won it all.

Song of Solomon 2 15. Catch for us the foxes, the little foxes that ruin the vineyards! Our vineyards are in the flower.


Testing shall we greet "welcome" but never go to them, they come, make you sure?
It is when the ordeal fire going over our lives that truly reflects who I am and you are. One day we will stand before God with our lives, then it will prove whether we are saved and receive full pay. Or we lose our everything. The worst and heaviest is to lose salvation, but it is also possible to lose the grace of our wages. That in itself would put us in the harness to hold out until the end and be true against our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

James 5 11 See, we praise them blessed who suffer patiently. I have heard of Job's patience and put it out as the Lord did, the Lord is exceedingly merciful and compassionate.

Let us all be like Job, who was the match out, his first victory in 12 hour as Jesus. It is very often the case for all of us, it's on the run course will be decided!
We all know the story of the hare and distinguish toad, the toad was a distinction that prevailed in the end even if the hare led almost the entire race. Skilpadda and the hare would both be in a race. Haren had often made fun of divorce toad because it was so slow. "Why should you be running, you have such short legs?" laughed scornfully, "with my quick, agile legs, I will soon be the goal." Skilpadda smiled and said quietly: "You may be right that I'm slow. But I'll bet that I'll win this race."
This is an easy-bought victory thought the hare when they set off. Haren soon had a good head start, the sun baked and it was hot, and he soon decided to take a break across a hillside. Meanwhile trudged distinguish toad further down the road, quietly and smoothly went the meter by meter. Haren had fallen asleep and dreamed of sweet victory and carrots. Eventually he awoke, it was time to run on. Skilpadda was not to be seen anywhere. He went over stock and stone, uphill and down. Soon he could make out the target area. - But what was it? Near the finish line race differs toad and it passed and was in goal right in front of the hare. It is so important and that we are aware that we will be the fight of their lives. When will we receive notification salary and the crown of Jesus!

Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/06/nr-12-how-to-pray-and-prayer-is-needed.html

onsdag 25. januar 2012

Nr. 222: By my revelations roses I do not!

Nr. 222:

By my revelations roses I do not!

2. Kor. 12. 1. I have to praise me, though it is easy, but I come now to the visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ - whether in the body, I do not know, or outside the body, I know not: God knows what - one who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know this man - whether in the body or outside body, I do not know, God knows - 4 he was caught up into paradise and heard unspeakable words, that there is a person allowed to speak. 5 By this I will boast, but of myself I will not praise me, without my weakness. 6 For though I commend me, I am not a fool, for it is truth I will speak, but I let it be, that no one should think more about me than he sees me or hears from me.

Church of God word and Bill Stenberg

Here in Oslo sends the church the word of God with Pastor Bjørn Kristoffersen as much as possible, the late Bill Stone's teaching about the revelations and many other things that in themselves may be right and proper.

It is incorrect and totally unbiblical here, is to set their own experiences in the city. And not just in a speech, but all the time and constant. What is really bad here are several things and all I get, of course, do not take with me. But I take 100% of the distance from this type of preaching. Although I believe in the revelations and all that. Mentions something about this announcement that is 100% unbiblical and that will make you aware and informed about these things.

1) Individual experiences and revelations, a la sink first in his own heart. It is first and foremost for themselves. Luke 2 18 And all who heard it wondered at what was told them by the shepherds; 19 but Mary kept all these words and pondered them in her heart.
Mary kept these things in her heart, and Paul kept his revelations, too, that here in 14 years. We read about several people in the bible who hid and concealed what they had been given by God, it's healthy and right.
Judges 14 9 He took the honey out and held it in his hands and ate as he went, and when he came to his father and mother, he gave them to him, and they ate, but he told them that it was the lion's body, he had taken the honey.

2) The big revelations can very often seem very "spiritual." But the reality is the opposite many times.

3) It is God's word we will put in the center, not experiences. Whoever speaks, the voice that God's word.

4) So much revelations are counterproductive. Then think what a "normal" Christian life is to see angels and Jesus all the time.

5) When you see the fruits of their lives with "big" revelations, then work the counter. Stenberg died early and the enormous suffering in itself is tragic, but then a belief that such revelations were not "NOK" of healing.

6) Revelations will primarily be tried on the Word of God and is mentioned rarely. When one gets 5 engleåpenbarelser and 5 Jesus revelations through the speech and other things you can not manage to keep up with the turns and control it. This is a form of manipulation.

7) There is a need to rebel behind this against God and his schemes. The same spirit that was in Absalom behind here. The urge to not go "ranks" in the kingdom of God, we can not skip any classes in the Spirit School. It is really this announcement leads to.


This is a form of fanaticism and overåndelighet which in and of itself in small amounts is good and right. But to the extent and as much as they are presented. So this is a type of preaching that is not healthy and God's word.

Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/01/nr-178-they-will-say-lord-lord-but.html