Giving Jan Hanvold credit and "forgiveness" for his whoredom is blasphemous and far from Biblical, healthy and right!
I've got and get so much "pepper" and scolded me because I warn against
repatriated publishers, I'm going to try Jan Hanvold in this article to
get the most out of silk gloves. Although he is so vulgar and simply ugly in the language use it is sometimes possible to be. That
I then hear that I am both the one and the other is nothing else a
diverting man for not listening to those arguments and what I preach and
teach in the word of God about divorce and remarriage. It
is untrue of my opponents, but I will try to turn the other cheek on
and just be objective, sober and concise in what I speak and teach about
Jan Hanvold and divorce and revert to what the Bible teaches and talks
about these things , not what I or others mean and think. But what the word of God says, and above all, the New Testament.I have received a lot of feedback about my print series about Jan Hanvold and Vision Norway. Most
are unfinished, but some like this one are directly fraudulent when he
"donates" the forgiveness of sin to Hanvold just because he has
requested forgiveness. It helps zero to ask God forgiveness if one does not repent. Read yourself from what he wrote to me:Tor Bruheim commented on your videoAsbjørn Kvalbein is involved in Jan Hanvold's pity and deceptionTor BruheimThe problem with Hanvold is not the marriage.He
has admitted his mistakes here and condemned himself: "1 Cor. 11: 31-32
For if we had condemned ourselves, we would not have been judged. 32
But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord, lest we should be condemned with the world "No problem to Hanvold is much worse than this.Large
purchases of properties, massive loans, where television testers are
charged with this through daily collective actions, where so-called
prophets are used to manipulate people to give. This is far worse than his mistake in marriage that he has admitted to both God and people.The Lord has forgiven Him for marriage.(quote ending).Has God forgiven Jan Hanvold? When he has not repented?Here, this brother believes that it is Jan Hanvold's deal with money that is the problem. It is rather a fruit of an unconverted life, but it is Hanvold's rebirth which is his cardinal sin. Everything else is of secondary importance.If one does not repent, then it will help zero come to confess its sin. Then one is still stuck in his sin and will be lost!Repentance belongs to salvation, and confession belongs, this can not be separated!Just
as you have a wheel, where both the wheel and the hub run around at the
same time, it's like repentance and confession, it's a part of the same
this Tor Bruheim, who is certainly well-meaning, believes that Hanvold
has been forgiven to break the marriage but not repented, this is
directly contrary to the teachings of the Bible.If Hanvold earns 1, 2 or more millions, I think God cares a little bit about really. It's his moral, or lack of morality that takes Hanvold into ruin, not what's on his bank account,When Zacchaeus was saved, he also worked well with his finances.Here Tor Bruheim tries to think the opposite. But
the scripture is ready, first, Hanvold must make it clear that he does
not live in horror beyond God's word, so he can take this afterwards
with economics.Do not mix this together, first repentance, then the fruits of a reverse life come.I
wrote an article about this a few years ago, which I would like to
leave again as it is just as relevant about no more than what it was
when I wrote it.
The cardinal sin of Pastor Jan Hanvold that he is himself guilty of adultery and two are "married" for the third time!
You write a lot about Vision Norway and Pastor Jan
Hanvold. But you write sometimes so much that it is the cardinal sin of
Pastor Jan Hanvold that he is even guilty of adultery and two are
"married" for the third time, it will be gone. Then everything else he
does, preaches and what it had to be also be wrong. Otherwise, stand in
brotherhood and God's blessing upon you and yours. If you do not agree
with what I write?
What Hanvold have said on Radio 107.7 in Oslo several
times is that you write that he himself is to blame for his two adultery
and he could not and would not live solitary word of God says. Is
totally agree with you. He will be supported out of the church scripture
says and left to Satan so that he shall if possible could go itself!
Picture that Satan is behind Hanvold and to which he belongs and serve
by virtue of their sinful life and hideous theology. And those who in
some way are with him to share in his sin and come in ledertog with
demons to a greater or lesser extent. So serious is this, Hanvold and
Vision Norway is like a malignant tumor that makes greater and greater
damage for which it is spreading, and continue living without being
Jan and Inger Hanvold do not live as married by the
word of God, but living together. It is living in adultery, it does
nothing to "confess" their sins no one repents 180 degrees. It is to
repent giving and grants us forgiveness of sins!
I remember that there were those who said that Hanvold
was "innocent" and therefore he can remarry. But here is one that also
says that even something we all know he's guilty of two adultery. What?
Since liver both he and his "new" wife of adultery when she -
tournaments - is married to a divorced. They both sin to death and puts
itself without passing the grace of God. And they will drag others along
in their wild helpful way to do the same and that is good for them and
The eyes of Inger looks demonic and unhappy, as if she
is on something. What she "goes" is Satan intoxication scripture says
why do they also His will.
2 Timothy 2:26 and wake up from his wine in the devil's snare, having been captured by him to do his will.
1 Timothy 5:15 For some have already alienated by Satan.
It's true what you write Agnar that here it is a
cardinal sin that makes everything else is also wrong. Whether it is
"right" preaching assistance or television broadcasts. Scripture teaches
1 Cor. 13th 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men
and of angels, and have not charity, I am become sounding brass, or a
tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and
understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith,
so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3
And if I give to feed the poor all that I possess, and though I give my
body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
Dear Agnar and the rest of you who are reading this.
It is quite right that you write Agnar, Hanvold main
sin is that he is living in adultery. Is re-married for the third time
as a Christian and have guilt even in its two adultery after what he
said in public!
It does nothing to engage in relief work, TV work,
preaching, Bible and what it had to be if you live in blatant adultery
and sin by script - the New Testament.
Sorry that is not my focus has always been there. At
Hanvold can never do anything right with God and man. It's so clear in
God's word in 1 Cor. 13th (Freely translated) 1 Though I speak with the
tongues of men and of angels, but have re-married as a believer, I am
become sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the
gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and
though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have
re-married as a Christian, I am nothing. 3 And if I give to feed the
poor all that I possess, and though I give my body to be burned, but do
not live with first and rightly wife, it profits me nothing. (Freely
translated is in line with scripture).
I think of my own life Agnar, I have lived opposite
one Hanvold. But there are quite many who write to me that I should go
in myself etc. I really think it is to miss. It is Hanvold and the
living in sin who must themselves first and foremost, not us.
What does God's word on divorce and remarriage of believers? Want to bring a Chronicle of the day 06/06/01 by Dag Rune Lid
Cohabitation, Divorce and Remarriage in the Bible light
Divorce statistics show that there are a total of
10,000 couples who are divorced in the past year in Norway. There is an
unimaginable number and it is painful to think of all the trouble this
causes for many of those involved - especially the children. It appears
that one of the devil's cunning attacks this past time is to destroy the
homes, thereby destroying the cells due to the structure of society.
The result is that society disintegrates.
The devil knows how dangerous a Christian home is.
They can be as small beacon in a dark world, so these now attacked from
all sides and it feels too much trouble in this area within the
Christian people. Now we read in the media that "It's like the plug has
come loose in Christian contexts, it's been okay for Christians stand."
And in speaking of cohabitation so it becomes easy featured in round
formulations as not to offend anyone. But that does not speak the Bible,
and we need as a Christian people to stop up.
The older ministers talked about the people who are
preaching is. When the shepherds can no longer say what the Bible speaks
manifested, then we also experience the Bible like a sore that one
should also reap. When the Bible speaks of the reason that we are now
experiencing in our people as God speaks to his people and said: "You
are the salt of the earth! But if the salt lose its savor, wherewith
shall it be salted? It is no longer good for anything, except to be
thrown out and trampled by men. "(Matthew 5:13)
A true Christian can not compromise on the Bible, then
it will also be on a collision course with who one day will judge the
living and the dead. The Lord Jesus is one with His Word and He is
yesterday and today the same. The question then becomes important for
those who intend to heaven becomes: What word of God says about these
Cohabitation - marriage
Today, cohabitation is widely accepted in the people -
from the top of the social ladder and placed in the "Christian" series,
but the Bible cohabitation as adultery and says that those who live
like shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 7:2 and 1
God wanted man well and instituted the lifelong
marriage frame about the love between man and woman. (Mark 10:7 and
The importance of this is reflected by the fact that the Lord did this
in the 6th commandment that says "Thou shalt not commit adultery," or it
can also be translated: "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
There are some basic principles that runs through
everything that the Bible speaks of marriage. There are things that are
immutable, they belong to the order of creation. God emphasizes this
when he says in 1 M 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and
mother and cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
Jesus also refers to this when he speaks of marriage
in Food. 19:3 ff. The spouses shall be one flesh and jointly share the
joys and sorrows that this entails.
The Bible puts marriage into a social and legal
context. In the word of 1M 2:24 says that "man shall leave his father
This means that he is from a legal and social context and into another,
where it is clear to everyone that these two by marriage has formed a
new unit that will last a lifetime.
Based on the word of God will not help out a legally
binding confirmation that marriage is entered into.
The Bible has no formula for how a marriage shall be entered into.
Society's plans for marriage is valid, if they do not violate God's
word. It is important to emphasize is that marriage is a legal change of
life-long relationship status made in full transparency and confirmed
by the couple, their parents and the authorities. For a Christian, it is
natural that marriage also entered into the word of God and prayer. A
cohabitation lacks any biblical grounds. It is based on subjective
feelings and private decisions. Cohabitation is a lack of willingness to
make a decision of lifelong character and a desire to live together
sexually without taking on the obligation of the Bible relates to such
The Bible says that divorce is against God's will.
Jesus says in Matthew 19:4-6, "Have you not read that he who created
them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this
cause shall a man leave father and mother and be joined to his wife, and
the two shall be one flesh? So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. "See also
Mark 10:6-9, Luke 4:18 p.m., 1 Corinthians 7:10-11.
The New Testament has two specific exceptions where
divorce is not a sin. The one exception is found in Matthew 5:32 "But I
say to you, whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than adultery
is causing her to commit adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman
commits adultery. »The second exception mentioned in 1 Corinthians
7:12-16. You have got an unbelieving spouse who demand a divorce if the
other does not want to enter the Christian faith. Other exceptions are
not mentioned in the NT.
The Bible also speaks clearly in this case. In Luke
4:18 p.m. says, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits
adultery. And whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits
adultery. "Jesus' words in Mark 10:11-12 is not to be misunderstood:"
Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, guilty of adultery
against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another,
she commits adultery. "
Paul writes as clearly in 1 Corinthians 7:10-11: "And
unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord: A wife must not
separate from her husband. But and if she depart, let her remain
unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not
divorce his wife. "
We note that Paul refers to a commandment from the
Lord. It is given only two options for the divorced wife: To remain
unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. The theory that the innocent
party may remarry after a divorce based on Matthew 19:9 where Jesus
says, "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for marital
unfaithfulness, and marries another , committeth adultery. And whoever
marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "
From this it is believed to have coverage for a man
who is separated from his wife because she has committed adultery can
remarry. But such an interpretation violates the parallel Bible verses
cited above. True biblical interpretation has always been the guiding
star that the clear words must illuminate the less clear, and in this
case it is more clear verses that go against remarriage.
Train up a child
The Bible says in Words 22:6: "Train up a child in the
way he should go: So he does not shy from it when he is old. "Scripture
emphasizes that it is important to teach the young. We believe that our
time is particularly important in this context, when the concrete
situations arise with their own children, the family and between
friends, it becomes far more difficult to take this up if not before
How society has become de-Christianized during the
last 20-30 years, many have run up in very difficult situations humanly
and requires the love, care and confidence in the counselor who will try
to guide you the word of God. One will certainly experience the need
for the help that the Bible assigns in James 1:5 "If any of you lack
wisdom, let him ask of God - for God giveth to all men liberally and
without reproach - and he will get it."
Also in these areas of life is the reparation and
forgiveness to get to the turn and recognize sin as sin. God says so
nice in Isaiah 1:18-19: "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be
as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as
But forgiveness and grace can never be used as a patch
on syndesår without settlement and repentance from sin. Today we
experience the grace used to, but it is not biblical tale. That is what
the ancients called to "sin of grace". No, let us listen to the Bible
speak and live the way God intended for His people. There is a
difference between falling into sin and for life contrary to God's word.
When we live in sin!
And do not forget that God wants you only the best, "I
know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord. Thoughts of
peace and not of evil. I'll give you a future and a hope. "(Jer. 29:11)
The best thing for any human being to organize their lives according to
God's will and commandments, and let the Word judge sin as sin. Whoever
does the will experience the same as David - "And you took away my
sins." (Psalm 32:5)
Agnar and the rest of you who have read this article, I
hope there have been with you what I would have said. At Hanvold is by
writing a person to be supported out of the church and the Christian
community. The scripture speaks of. Why? Because he has not repented of
his sin. It helps little to confess his sin, as long as one does not
repent from it.
1 Corinthians 5 1 On the whole, it sounds about
fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even mentioned
among the Gentiles: that is joined to his father's wife. 2 And ye are
puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed
might be taken away from you. 3 For I, for my part, as absent in body,
but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present,
field the judgment of those who have done this, 4 that he shall our Lord
Jesus, giving and my spirit together in our Lord Jesus' power, 5 To
deliver such an one unto Satan for destruction of the flesh, that the
spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. 6 It is not handsome that I boast
of you off. Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are
unleavened for our passover is sacrificed for us: Christ. 8 Therefore
let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with malice and
wickedness; but with purity and truth unleavened bread! 9 I wrote to you
in my letter that I should not have intercourse with fornicators - 10 I
did not mean to ordinary fornicators of this world or the greed and
robbers, or idolaters, or had ye go out of the world: 11 But now I have
written to you, was that I should not have intercourse with any man that
is called a brother and a fornicator, or covetous person or an
idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or robber, so I do not even eat
with him. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge only those who are within? 13 But those who are outside,
God judges. Put away the wicked man from among yourselves
What is this? Yes, when a living as Hanvold making or
other obvious sins, he will be denied access to the church. Do not have
an opportunity to be part of the Christian community, and not take part
in the sacrament. For him to be able to go in themselves and not infect
the Christian community. This is the way the Bible and the New Testament
teachings even though the opposite is practiced and enforced today, so
this is what God's word teaches!
Taking finally an article by Jan Johansson on church discipline:
Assembly Discipline or church discipline - or as it is
commonly called earlier church discipline - it is quite silent about
today. In many quarters it is hardly practiced either. And it is a
serious matter. Many believe enough - with a hint of truth - that it
belongs to the past of the Christian Church's history, a judicial and
loveless age. Like everything else has almost certainly also
forsamlingstukten been abused and thus caused great damage. The greater
the blessing, the bigger the curse when something is misused.
But just applied the assembly instruction a priceless
blessing. Therefore, it should be about to do for everyone it again is
practiced where it is not now the case.
But here we hasten slowly. No human being is in itself
capable of exercising assembly instruction. Made it with such a basis,
it will mostly cause harm. It can either be by unloving judge ill or by
following the so-called "Christian" opinion and let people continue to
live in sin. Therefore we should be cautious about trying to organize
forward assembly instruction. It can not organize, but emerges in which
the spiritual life is fresh. For real assembly instruction is nothing
but spiritual guidance from beginning to end. Therefore, we all need to
turn to our "souls shepherd and overseer" (1 Peter 2.25) that he can
make our own mind. How can we awakened to care for the souls of our
brothers and sisters, and be filled with Christ's love, wisdom and zeal.
This is required for forsamlingstukten might work.
Furthermore, we think that the assembly instruction causes pain. It's
not just the false, where one goes up in adjudicating human power, but
also the real, where people led by the Holy Spirit to work through to
try to show the way it has come on the wrong track. Nothing good is born
without pain. It applies to the federation as well as for the flocks.
But when this painful work is carried out with the
love of Christ as the driving force, is the spiritual brother band to be
strengthened. Nowhere are they as strong as where the wires to the
suffering and sacrificial love are interleaved.
Assembly Discipline in practice
We begin by reading in 1 Corinthians 5.1 to 8: "On the
whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as
is not even named among the Gentiles: that a man living with his
father's wife. And ye are puffed up! Ought you not rather mourned, that
he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you that I
probably absent in body but present in spirit, have already - as if I
was with you - concerning him who has done this. In our Lord Jesus, and
you shall gather my spirit in our Lord Jesus' power, that he hath sinned
shall be delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that
his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. It fits badly that you
commend you! Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are
unleavened. For our passover is sacrificed for Christ. So let's keep
feast, not with old leaven, not with evil and the load sourdough, but
with sincerity and truth unleavened bread! "
We also need to include a few words from Matt 18.15 to 18:
"But if your brother sins against you, go and tell him right, he and you
alone. Hear him on you, you have won your brother. But he is not, so
take with you one or two more, that in any word may be established by
two or three witnesses. But he will not listen to them, tell it to the
church. hear he nor the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax
collector! Verily I say unto you: Everything you bind on earth shall be
bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in
A double aim
Assembly Discipline has a double purpose. First and
foremost, it's time to save the individual who is caught in sin yarn,
"that his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus." But it also applies to
preserve the assembly clean, "Purge out therefore the old leaven." On
the way to discipline become revival warning to the others in the
It is important that both sides are included. If the
main driving force and the purpose is to preserve the meeting, missing
the most important one - the care of the individual soul. Instead, they
align themselves to save what is left of the assembly. But what does
being in a "clean" assembly in the absence of any real spiritual
guidance there? Tax collectors and sinners will hardly find their
spiritual home in such meetings. But Jesus is the welcome!
He hjärta relay the luminaire, Garnerville he himself took pity.
No one, no one can OMMA for you as he.
Therefore, the care of the individual soul come first.
The aim should be that "his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus
Christ." As we see from Jesus' teaching in Matthew 18 - that underlie
what Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 5 - the decision on expulsion must not
be taken with ease by a few people. There is a case concerning the
But before it gets that far, it should have fallen
repeatedly to repent and be forgiven of their sin. First, the person who
has learned to sin, contact and try to win them. Note the wording: "If
he listens to you, you have gained your brother" (v 15). This applies
all the time trying to win his brother! Not to trap or exclude. No, he
must be won back to the Savior in confession and forgiveness. Assembly's
task is to gather the people to Jesus, and that means no toil saved.
Hear he is not on one person, one should bring one or two more. But not
enough of it. Does he hear not them, this should be a matter that will
be a need for the meeting. Is it so bad that he will not hear the
assembly also, there remains no other choice than to exclude him from
the meeting. But it should take place now - after repeated attempts to
win him back to the Savior. The case must not halt in some kind of
imaginary kindness, so that one fails to take action against the
That the old leaven soon to permeate the entire
assembly. As an example we can think of a couple cohabiting children. If
the in spite of repeated calls, in accordance with Matthew 18, however,
continues to defend and live their lives in sin, and are not excluded
from the meeting, will their example to send a number of harmful signals
both within and outside the Assembly.
Outside the meeting sees the world's children that
Christians are no longer taking it so carefully to God's word. The salt
has lost its taste. Within the meeting, those terms, easily settle down
and believe that they still belong to the kingdom of God, even if they
are living in blatant sin. Others who might be tempted to the same sin,
perceive it so it does not matter. Can they, so we can ...
Another in the audience may have a different
propensity to sin. But if cohabiting are not subject to assembly
instruction, can not shut him meeting nor there. Thus, the one who
defends his sin with reference to the example of others. Leaven spreads!
And an increasing number of ports on the broad road that leads to hell.
Therefore forsamlingstukten so important - and so blessed. Just applied
it can save a lot of destruction.
But it is not too hard to exclude a person from the audience?
It may seem so. But it is much harder - and can not be
compared - to let a living in blatant sin and defends it to continue in
the assembly and then one day be banned from heaven. It gets much, much
worse. It is much better to be excluded from the meeting on the ground
and really be faced with the choice of sin or God's friendship, and
hopefully choose the latter - and be blessed.
Assembly Discipline seems vitalizing
Where not this mutual care of souls exist, where both
brotherly admonition and assembly instruction is terminated, where all
sorts of sins occur without being prosecuted. Therefore, it seems
forsamlingstukten with the mutual exhortation provoking the meeting.
Think to yourself that you have learned that a brother in the
congregation live in a sin that he neither regrets nor will forego.
Where is now your responsibility to speak with him "under four eyes". If
you are in any way responsible and realize the seriousness of this
exercise, you are going primarily to rummage yourself in prayer
understand word if you are capable of this. They may be one undivided
sin which you have long tried to suppress, is as blistering that you
know you have to get speech with the Savior about it before you can go
and admonish your brother. The beam has to go! And then ask the Savior
for mercy and forgiveness, and to let go of it - and certainly he hears
Now it need by no means be the case that you have an
unresolved sin on your conscience. But it is in any case a special
occasion for self-examination acknowledge the mercy seat, and it is very
useful for every one. You've been in counseling with the Lord, and can
confidently with His help get admonish your brother. Think so big! You
have even been drawn closer to the Savior and have been able to see even
more clearly how important it is that sin not unto leaven will ferment
up. And you've probably also got a dose of humility when faced with the
task that the Lord has got to show you something of your own sin and
weakness. Then you are unlikely to meet the wrong end of Pharisaic cold,
but instead either heat or burn him with Christ's love fire. It depends
on how it is received.
If it so happens that your brother does not listen to
you, for Jesus' teaching to bring you a couple more. Then these two go
through the same soul-searching before they can follow you - and so is
the Lord's work on the heart and assembly. It is to "keep the feast ...
with purity and truth unleavened bread." "Exhort one another daily,
while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the
deceitfulness of sin" (Hebrews 3:13). "For our passover is sacrificed
(1 Cor 5.7).
Since everything's overall aim is to salvage the one
caught in sin nets must never ban regarded as the ultimate objective. It
is just a means to endeavor to get brother / sister to be resumed in
full communion with the Lord and with the meeting. It is very important
that the person subject to the assembly instruction, will keep this in
The intention is certainly not to "get rid of" the
person, but to save him from eternal damnation. In closing, we take a
word from 2 Corinthians 2:6-8, TLB, which teaches us how to repent and
mourn over their sin, shall be met: "For him it comes, it is enough with
the punishment he received from the Most. Now you instead rather
forgive and comfort him, lest he should perish in even greater sorrow.
Therefore, I urge you: Be agreed to show him love. "