torsdag 29. september 2016

No. 1345: God's church is from Satan, which all remarriage testify, as they should have been shut out of the church community!

No. 1345:
God's church is from Satan, which all remarriage testify, as they should have been shut out of the church community!

Picture of a potato cellar Jan Hanvold said here on TV that he had to lose to take itself! Is there such preachers we have received in Norway where sex and again sex is the only thing important in life? Everything else is unimportant?


To live and talking Hanvold and many, many who are divorced and gjengiftede as believers. And still are preachers and fleas, wonder and deceive God's people here in our little store Norway!

1 Cor. 5. 1. On the whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even among the Gentiles, that one is joined to his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath done this, 4 he shall our Lord Jesus Christ, giving and my spirit, with our Lord Jesus power, 5 to deliver such one to Satan for destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. 6 It is not smukt what I boast of. Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened for our passover is sacrificed for us: Christ. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with malice and wickedness, but with sincerity and truth unleavened bread! 9 I wrote to you in my letter that I should not with fornicators - 10 I did not altogether with the fornicators of this world or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world; 11 but what I wrote to you was that you should not associate with anyone who is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or robber, not even to eat with him. 12 For what have I to do with judging those outside? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Put away the evil from among yourselves

2 Cor. 2. 1. But also for my own sake guardians I me that I again have come unto you with sorrow. 2 For if I grieve you, who is it then that makes me happy, without which I do regret? 3 And just in the øiemed I wrote, that I might not, when I came, have sorrow from those who ought to have enjoyed, as I have confidence in you all that my joy is of you all joy. 4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote to you with many tears, not that ye sorrow, but that ye might know the love which I have in you. 5 However, there is none that has caused grief, then it's not me he has caused grief, but in part - that I should not be too hard - you all. 6 It is enough for him with the punishment he received from the majority, 7 so that contrariwise rather to forgive and comfort him, lest he perish in even greater sorrow. 8 Therefore I beg you to let love prevail against him. 9 For to this end also I wrote, to know the proof of you, whether ye are obedient in everything. 10 To whom ye forgive anything, him forgive and I; for what I have forgiven - if I had anything to forgive - I have done for you, for Christ's face, that we in the person of Satan; 11 for we are not ignorant of his thoughts.

The complaints 1. 10 The enemy laid hands on all her precious things; she saw pagan nations enter her sanctuary, those you had forbidden to enter your assembly.

God's church today either pushes sin remarriage under "blanket" or defending it. The first Christians were closing such people out of the church!

For a vast difference between the first Christian community - and today's Christians here in Norway. It's beyond recognition, in Norway is sinful affirmed. There are so sorry for the poor people, who have not received it.

But what the scripture says, it is the only thing that is essential. And scripture says very, very clear that for believers as marriage is something that was a lifetime.

To the other door, and only then is it not adultery for Christians to remarry.

1 Cor. 7. 10 The married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, that a wife should not divorce his husband; 11 but divorced him, then abiding she being unmarried or reconciled with her husband - and a husband should not divorce his wife.

Luke 16 18 Whosoever shall put away his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

Room. 7. 2 The married woman is bound by law to her husband so long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 Therefore she called an adulteress if she, while her husband lives, marries another man; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress if she marries another man.

Here there are no "loopholes"! The marriage lasts a lifetime, got you again or a divorced you are an adulterer or adulteress scripture says!

Here in Corinth was a person who lived in adultery, just like today gjengiftede do. How was he treated? That's exactly how we should treat those who do not live in accordance with God's word. They should be banned from the congregation, and the inner life of the church.

But what we see in today's Norway? It is simply charge up.

Those gjengiftede as believers, they can hold all the titles, functions and roles.
There is no obstacle, only hitch is so like me. As warn against this, we are seen to be anything but biblical. How far is apostasy come?
How far into the night we arrived? Could it be blacker than it is now? It is pitch dark in the church of God in Norway today!

Corinthian congregation took very, very closely at this with some living in sin!

Those gjengiftede, they are upstairs. Sin closet arrogance.

1 Cor. 5. 1. On the whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even among the Gentiles, that one is joined to his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from you.

Note that the person who had "clear" to obtain his father's wife, then surely his stepmother? He was proud, just like Jan Hanvold and all others who live in adultery is.

This would lead to black, but here the Apostle Paul in giving them clear teaching. Dettingen required exclusion, which they did. And then came the brother of himself, repented and received forgiveness. That being handed over to Satan that it stands for, is really not to have access to the Christian community!

Final Comment:

I ask, is it okay with Jan Hanvold stating plainly that he could not live alone. He had to go down in a potato cellar and take themselves for him were not able to say no to their carnal and male desires.

Scripture says when known the following:

Room. 8. 13 for if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die; but if ye mortify deeds of the body by the Spirit, ye shall live.

This does not apply to ministers, pastors and others who will lead the church of God? They are exalted above God and His word? They are "excused" for everything? Even to arrange their lives according to God's word? Of course not, this is nothing but a deception. Is anyone really going to follow the word of God, then there are preachers, priests and pastors in the church of God!
In other words, such a condition is the church of God, is what I had to headline in this article more relevant than ever to point out:

God's church is from Satan, which all remarriage testify, as they should have been shut out of the church community!

Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/09/no-1343-it-is-perceived-as-insulting-to.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/03/nr-478-tepid-proud-and-self-righteous.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/07/no-983-norwegian-christian-leaders.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/07/no-990-scope-of-divorce-fracture-and.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/02/nr-233-vision-norway-is-spiritual.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/04/no-927-jan-hanvold-on-radio-1077-in.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/07/no-994jan-hanvold-on-radio-1077-here-in.html

onsdag 28. september 2016

No. 1344: Totally, totally new blog - Israel Blog!

No. 1344:
Totally, totally new blog - Israel Blog!

Has started a new blog, which I have not really started with. But it comes, I think this blog will have an important function.

We have so much Israel fabric, and Israel is both promise the people. God's property and the people who will rule this earth for 1,000 years soon with Jesus.

Where law and order will go out from Jerusalem in Israel!

Isaiah 2 2 And it shall happen in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it. / 3 And many people shall go and say, Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, the God of Jacob's house, so he can teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, and they shall no more learn war. 5 Jacob! Come, let us walk in the light!


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No. 1343: It is perceived as insulting to claim that church members - ordinary Christians - should follow the word of God concerning remarriage, when publishers do not but take themselves to remedy just as it suits them yourself!

No. 1343:
It is perceived as insulting to claim that church members - ordinary Christians - should follow the word of God concerning remarriage, when publishers do not but take themselves to remedy just as it suits them yourself!

See article in which I emphasize that the main focus is on the shepherds, priests and ministers to go ahead with the biblical standard, where one is not re-married as a believer!

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/09/no-1335-there-are-christians-especially.html

Image of Arnhild Gjendem in TOSKO as mockery apostle Jan Aage Torp believes that she and I have a Catholic faith.

I do not think right, we both have a biblical faith where we do not think that Christians can marry after a divorce.



This is the basic rule, not remarriage before the second door. Make a there's a been an adulterer and fornicator / adulteress by the word of God.

I and my wife were at the conference organized by the Foundation TOSKO. And I have read a report from the meetings in the newspaper day.

There are many thoughts that one is left with after such a meeting. Both joy that there are some who will follow God's word, not least regarding divorce and remarriage. But also sadness, not least that it is not those who are primarily going to follow the word of God. Jo, these too. But above all, it's the preacher and the shepherds in the church of God which has failed here to be a pattern to the flock. But with even being re-married up to several times, they are so far as they can be to be a role model!

1 Pet. 5. 1. The elders among you I exhort who medeldste and witness the sufferings of Christ, as the one and share in the glory that shall be revealed: 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 neither as being lords over their congregations, but thus patterns becoming of the flock;

I think there are people who seek to TOSKO and receiving wrong advice. There are new believers who have been separated when they came to believe. And they would follow the Lord, but their former spouse would live a life out in the world and sin. Then saith the Apostle Paul as I read it, that when the believer is free to let those who want the world to go. Even going on with the Lord, and possibly find a new spouse if it is true that the former spouse will live a life away from God.

1 Cor. 7. 12 To the rest I say, not the Lord: If any brother has an unbelieving wife, and she consents to live with him, let him not leave her! 13 And the woman has an unbelieving husband, and he is content to live with her, let her not leave her husband 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart A brother or sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or what do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? 17 Dog walking each as the Lord has given him, as God has called him! And so ordain I in all churches. 18 One was called as circumcised, he did not take foreskin over; one is dubbed as the uncircumcised, he lay not circumcised! 19 It does not depend on circumcision, and it does not depend on the foreskin, but the keeping of God's commandments. 20 Every being in the vocation he was called in!

Verse fifteen is the key verse here:
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart A brother or sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

As believers - even as new believers, we will not force anyone to follow the Lord. It is a voluntary choice, and here we read that the new converts where his spouse who does not want to continue the marriage. Is it free - free also to marry if it is believed now being discarded. Notice the word, rejected by the unbelieving. The believers are not allowed to demand a divorce, it is only if the unbeliever says go. Or go yourself, and thus rejects both God and his former spouse who will continue to live with God.

I'm writing in the headline the following:
It is perceived as insulting to claim that church members - ordinary Christians - should follow the word of God concerning remarriage, when publishers do not but take themselves ril right just as it suits them yourself!

After the conference we were directed by TOSKO I realize more than ever that I've been on the right to only focus on Pastors, pastors, evangelists and others with an office or to be a pattern for other believers.

We read as said in 1 Peter. 5.
"Thus patterns becoming of the flock."

Pattern of the flock!

For me, so live today called Christian leaders more as we find it in 2 Pet. 2.

Let us for example. take for us Jan Hanvold and put him up against the false prophets in 2 Pet., and see that he fits in perfectly there.

2. Pet. 2. 1 But there were false prophets also among the people, as there shall be false teachers among you. In secret they shall bring into false doctrines that lead to perdition. They will deny the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Hanvold confess Jesus' name. But he denies Christ living in fornication, and to bring into his glory theology is heresy from beginning to end!

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways, and because of them the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Lead the blind a blind they both fall into the ditch. Those who go with Hanvold and he has as a pattern for his life being re-married as believers and all the others, goes a secure destruction in the face!
Plus, Hanvold is really a reproach to this world. How? He lives just like the Gentiles live, if not worse than !?

3 With greed and seductive words they will exploit you. For a long time the judgment of them not been idle, and their destruction slumbers not.

After such a life as Hanvold has led, he had looked like shoeshine or washed toilets. But he earns several millions a year to lure people to believe in their warped and seductive message!
Their damnation awaits Hanvold and those who follow him, when the time comes!

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of darkness, that they might be in custody for sentence,

God does not show partiality, all of His creatures who do not comply with his word and will, go their certain death in the face!

5 and as he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, and let the flood come over the wicked world,

What he always found good and clever people. And the bad and unfit, but we will go into salvation ark with our lives? That is the big question!
Hanvold and those who follow him are without past salvation ark when they have not aligned their lives and their all for God and His Word!

6 and as He did Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes and condemned them to destruction and made them as for those who later came to live ungodly,

As Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, so will also the wicked and unbelieving as Jan Hanvold it, if he and they repent while they even have the opportunity!

7 and as He delivered righteous Lot, who was tormented under the wicked unbridled behavior -

The offer of salvation applies equally to all people, even those who have not lived up to the Christian message! Lot was saved, but yet so through fire. The possibility of salvation is also for Hanvold. But then he must either be reconciled with his first wife, or live solitary rest of his life. The marriage lasts a lifetime, to the other door!

8 of this righteous man dwelling among them, was tormented day after day in his righteous soul by seeing and hearing their unlawful deeds -

Now is not bothered Hanvold over sin, but that people will support him and Vision Norway with tithes and sacred gifts. Money, and again money it Hanvold and false prophets will have. And pleasure, honor and recognition outside of it!

9 just as the Lord knows how He will deliver the godly out of temptations and the unjust under punishment in detention until the Day,

There are two exits in this life, the choice is ours. But we can not expect to be saved if we live opposite than the Christian message tells us. Therefore Jan Hanvold repent, tree down the podium. Handing it to others who live in accordance with Christian doctrine!

10 and chiefly those who walk after the flesh unclean lust, and who despise authority. They are haughty and willful. They are not afraid to mock the high powers,

Scripture says Jan Hanvold is willful, then he follows flesh unclean desire. He screams out here on Radio Oslo the most sickening thing. Things that really should not be mentioned among us believers, but it is not Hanvold nor any believer !!
He's overconfident, should have made himself very bakers. However, up until, even though he lives and preaches contrary to the word of God and Christian doctrine!
When it says that they are not afraid to mock high powers, so it fits prefect in with what Hanvold himself says: "To hell with anyone who does not agree that I am re-married!" In other words, we do not accept that Hanvold live in adultery, then it's over and out with us after Hanvold their concepts!

11 whereas angels, who are greater in strength and power, do not come with any profane accusation against them before the Lord.

Hanvold has no barriers, as normal and spiritual people. Here are the free-cons certainly anyone who goes against him. Although word of the Lord he rejects taking new wives as he says himself that he has bad sec, but good sex now!

12 But these people like brute beasts born to be taken and destroyed. They speak evil of the things they do not understand, and they will go completely perish in their own corruption,

Of course it is the animal in man Hanvold is characterized by. it is that he and like-minded is half a beast and half human. They and those who follow such will eventually meet his end, they will perish in their own.
A life where one hides behind religion is nothing new, it has man done at all times. But stealing money than in their own or the name of God, it is as bad anyway, a thief is a thief. So also with Hanvold, a whore karl and an adulterer. If he sins with God's "permission" or choose to do it without worrying.
View Jan Hanvold life, one gets scared what it is possible to do in the name of Jesus, and manages to deceive others that this has been God's acceptance. So far away from God's word that Hanvold are both in doctrine and life, it is hardly possible to get!

13 they get unrighteousness salary. They count it a pleasure to spend the day a debauched life. They are like shame stains and abominations, and they revel in their own deceptions while they feast with you.

Glutton and feel they are on life's height after such a life as Hanvold has led, is sheer madness. The man should long since have dressed in sackcloth and ashes. Gott away everything he had and lived solitary rest of his life, if possible he could have God's grace. Hanvold is totally abhorrent and disgusting for a spiritual person, but attractive and appealing to like-minded!

14 Their eyes are full of harlots and they can not stop sinning. They wonder unstable souls. They have a heart trained in greed, and they are children of cursing.

Jan Kaare Hanvold himself said that he had so narrow that he had to hold on with itself everywhere, even in the potato cellar. When he was not satisfied there, so it was about to do to get remarried even though the word of God had closed the door for him.
Hanvold is clearly "good" but not good enough when he does not live and teach in accordance with the word of God. Who will be the pattern for the church, is the horror for us believers!

15 They have left the right path and have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved unrighteousness salary.

God's word and God's way is really simple, clear and straight forward. Balaam received a clear message from God, but money lid and pulled him. It was his court, although it was also apparently much blessing also on his way. It's strange, God is good and blessing. But ultimately you'll be collected by your sin, whatever. No one will be able to say that because God answered my prayers, as I was in his will. It is only insofar as we are in God's word, and the word of God is within us. That we can invoke God's favor.
We ask, and the miracle happens. Yes, it's big. But bigger is for us believers that we follow Christ and God's own words.

16 But he was rebuked for his offense. A dumb ass speaking with man's voice and stopped the prophet's madness.

Hanvold has been reprimanded several places, not least here in the Heavenly blog. God uses whoever he wants and when he wants.
A donkey used God, how much more will he not use me and you?

17 These are wells without water, clouds driven along by the storm. The deep pitch darkness held them off forever.

They are like empty barrels, like clouds without rain. Simply nothing, just a lot boil and a certain eloquence. But that's all, Hanvold enough destined that he is doing, then we know that he is sent in from the evil pervert and lead people away from a personal relationship from God!

8 For when they speak emptiness big and haughty words, they get the meat's bright and at immorality deceived those who have just escaped from those who live in error.

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption. For a man is overcome, it is also enslaved.

Scripture says: Joh. e. 8. 36 If the Son sets you free, you shall be free indeed.

Jan Kaare Hanvold hides behind a Christian name and the "grace" that it provides. Ask than God for forgiveness, then it charge up. With that it is not, we need to repent, we will receive God's forgiveness.
Hanvold is a sin slave and belong to this world, therefore also supports the "Christians" who are not born again or live in God's holiness with his life him!
Hanvold located under lust demons and unclean and corrupt flesh, it manages and controls him. He gets so many with him, is because we humans ourselves love our flesh far higher than God if we have repented!

20 For if they first have escaped the world's impurity through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and they are again entangled in these impurities and subject them, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

It had been far better that Jan Kaare Hanvold had remained on the street in Drammen, a gear with a lot of deception in which he not only takes itself. But surely thousands of others to perdition. And would anyone in his against all odds be saved. So they will in all probability lose the entire salary as a
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22 But it has gone with them as it is called in the true proverb, The dog returns to its vomit, and: A freshly washed pig wallowing in the mud.

That a dog can eat up his own sly I have even seen if a dog ingests too much food. A pig thrive really best about being a pig, so when given the chance. Then it will return to the mud. So also with Hanvold minded. They will live in shame and hide behind their religion!

Final Comment:

It is perceived as strange this with TOSKO. Very good preaching, but anyway!
Should some new believers who were divorced when they were saved, which really allowed to marry again be their image externally?
When someone being interviewed there from, then it's at least this coming forward.

But these leaders today that Jan Hanvold, Jan Aage Torp, Jan Eriksen and many, many others will be allowed to ravage, retain and whore just like it suits them!

No, no and again a no! For a spiritual condition it's been, Sodom and Gomorrah in the church, everything is now permitted. In other words, these false shepherds shall be taken into account.

They should be allowed to live out their desires, there are so sorry for them. This is a great deception. Of course, no lustful enticements, least of pastors, priests, managers and others with responsibility in the church of God!

Should they not be a pattern to the flock - role models? It is strange, it is a reality that we are experiencing? Could it be as bad as it has been?
Unfortunately, it has become Laodicea congregation. Where a think and believe about themselves that everything is changing, but the reality is that it's so bad it's possible to be ?!

Joh. Obvious. 3. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich and have abundance need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked,

søndag 25. september 2016

No. 1342: Now, 2 by Emanuel Minos death must be allowed to say that it was a false prophet who died, not a mighty prince ??????

No. 1342:
Now, 2 by Emanuel Minos death must be allowed to say that it was a false prophet who died, not a mighty prince ??????

When getting speak out without hearing profanity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Image of the now deceased false prophet Emanuel Minos, a true weathercock who always went compromise God's word!

Luke 22 15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer.



Just want you to look at part article I wrote about the false prophet Emanuel Minos before he died. This was a sad thing, the man managed to deceive people both within its the Lutheran, Pentecostals and charismatics to Optra as a "humble" man. But managed to switch the word of God over all that he did and preached!

What one should consider Minos, what if he had fruits with them and preached the word of God!

 Here falls Minos straight through, graded he always "sneaked" into everywhere with their 1930 vote. And if the audience get some excitement, then let him into the pitch his. And eg. "Mess" in a drawer, lo and behold was God's voice clearly with old dreams and big rave! It's so sad to think of Minos, who never, never been able to stand for the word of God. But struck by the word wherever he voted!

Minos - weathercock!

That was the problem and the problem is with the likes of Minos. Is that they "always" are on the "right" side. They do not seem anything wrong, apparently.

Let me take an example. Everyone knows that Aril Edvardsen was a false preacher, but in the beginning it was not so bad. Then it was just worse and worse with Edvardsen,

Pentecostals did quite right to reject the false prophet Aril Edvardsen. But what did when Pentecostalism in 1990? When should a sudden recognize Edvardsen, and this was of course Emanuel Minos on.
Edvardsen was completely out driving with his hatred for the word of God and Israel, a true false prophet in Life Now!

How could I have continued with Emanuel Minos. I would say, look at Emanuel Minos, but does everything opposite! Then it will go well for you and your service to the Lord!

Learn the way, to do everything opposite!

See here for article about Minos, written well before he died. Now two years later they are also relevant when here there is much spiritual wealth in!

Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/09/emanuel-minos-and-co-are-like-bileam.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/04/nr-286-evangelist-and-dr-emanuel-minos.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/06/nr-323-dr-emanuel-minos-and-evangelist.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/11/nr-612-evangelist-dr-emanuel-minos-is.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/02/no-761-emanuel-minos-sick-wants.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/12/no-836-emanuel-minos.html

No. 1341: Last Judgment for people where they will be destroyed !!

No. 1341:
Last Judgment for people where they will be destroyed !!

By Svein Marøy

The author takes us into what God says, not what the church fathers and others who know better than God what he says about the people who reject his offer of salvation in Christ Jesus.
To me it says very clearly what God is going to do with those who are not worthy of him.
It is for judgment, one be destroyed of the infidels and wicked!


That people are born with an immortal soul, takes the faithful granted. You hear it so often in the ministry, that one would think that this was thoroughly vindicated in the Bible. The truth however is another. The word soul is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible. But not a single place it says that man has an immortal soul. That man is born with an immortal soul, come not from the Bible, but has its origins in Greek philosophy. There were philosophers Plato and Socrates who argued that humans had an immortal soul.

At some point before the year 500 was immortality of the soul a vital part of the Christian faith
In 1 Timothy 6:16 says, "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in a light that no one can get to." Here it is really that it is only God who has immortality, and one should have thought what it says written.

When it comes to people, so we do not have an immortal soul, but we can be involved in immortality by receiving faith in Jesus Christ. In 2. Tim. 1.10 reads: "Now this grace was manifest in our Savior Jesus Christ. He has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. "(I do note that because the text words" aftharsia "also means immortality.) In 1 Cor. 15, 53-54 says: "For this corruptible must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruptibility, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come the word that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Adam and Eve had immortality in Paradise while they ate of the tree of life. After they had sinned, came death, suffering, sorrow, pain and toil into their everyday lives. A completely new situation had arisen, and God was now anxious that they would continue to have access to the tree of life. Therefore, God said, "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; Only now he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and live forever. "To prevent this, banished God them from the Garden of Eden, while he sent angels out to make sure no one had access to the tree of life .

This was a work of mercy towards us humans, for God so that no one would be served by living forever with the pain and suffering that came into our lives with the Fall. Meanwhile, God promised to give us a new opportunity to live in harmony with God and creation. God would one day send his own son, Jesus Christ, to atone Fall. Jesus would now get the same function as the tree of life. As Adam and Eve had immortality while they ate of the tree of life, thus now possible to achieve immortality through faith in Jesus Christ and the words he has spoken. If we receive a life that is immortal, it is the course of inestimable importance that this is a good and harmonious life. About this we read the majestic words of Johs. Rev. 21: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them; and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, and no sorrow and no screaming and no torment shall be no more, for the former things are passed away. "In the new universe that God will one day create , everything should be clean. There should not be such that it is a place to be jubilation, joy, love and security, while elsewhere shall be anguish and pain that will last through the ages. To be involved in this as described in Johs. Rev should be more than enough motivation to keep the faith.

In our language frequently used word forever, but in the context the word is used, it is seldom we think of a time without end. Eg. We could have waited for a bus that is ½ delayed. Then we can exclaim: "Now I have waited for the bus forever," or, "I can not stand here forever and wait for the bus." To describe a limited time under pain, is often used the word forever. A dental patient may say, "The treatment took about 20 minutes, but it was so painful that I felt like it took an eternity before the work was done.

When we talk about glaciers, we often use the words Eternal snow. We do not think about it that the snow will be there for billions of years. The snow is there from generation to generation, and therefore it is natural to use the word forever. Moreover, one can say about a hymn or sermon It was forever long. We often hear someone say "It happened a long time ago. When someone says: May you never, "is often meaning: As long as I live.

The word eternal may also be used figuratively, and in such cases the word something with time to do. We can say: "You have forever right. This means: You are absolutely and completely right. Other times they say: "Stop the eternal whimpering yours." And the meaning is the continual and incessant whimpering.

In the Bible, the word eternal (Greek aion, Heb. Olam) in the same manner as in Norwegian vernacular. In G.T. we find laws, covenants, sacrifices and ceremonial actions of many kinds that were until Christ, but who then would cease. Nevertheless, it is often about these laws: This shall be a statute. The word forever stand here as a reinforcement and means it should be an absolute and unalterable law, but by no means a law that would apply a time without end. If one takes the time to look up the word forever, one will be surprised how often the word is used without connectable to a time without end. Eg. Habakkuk 3:16. "The eternal mountains were scattered." The meaning here is clear. Eternal is here mighty big. Had word forever stood for absolute perpetual, when they could not shatter.

The reason I write this, that one is not out of the word eternal may determine that a torment or punishment in hell will last without end. In Matthew 25.46 says; And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. "(That one translates the word kolasim with torment is wrong. It knows translators better than me, and I have every reason to believe that the word anguish is used for that it immediately becomes easier to defend the doctrine of endless torment) so it is said that when the eternal life will be infinitely long, so have the penalty, last indefinitely. The argument is completely wrong. This scripture says nothing about how long the penalty or life in heaven will last. In Johs. 17.3 reads: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, or the only true God, and him you sent, Jesus Christ." Here we thus meaning of the word "eternal life." Eternal life is therefore a perfect, safe and harmonious life, and that is to know God and his son Jesus. Likewise it with punishment. Eternal punishment stands for the total, absolute, fair and innapellable punishment and capital punishment can certainly be an eternal punishment.

Terms like "forever" can not be construed as a time without end in all situations. In Psalm 104.5 says about the earth that "it should not be removed for ever." If express "eternity" stands for absolute perpetual, would this scripture come into conflict with other Bible verses. Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away." In 2 Pet. 3.10 reads: "and the heavenly bodies will be dissolved with fire, and earth and the works in it will burn up." And again in Johs. Rev. 20.11. "And I saw a white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled away, and there was found no place for it."
The term eternity in Psalm 104.5 stands for a long time, yet is limited. In Johs. Rev. 14, 10-11 says: "he shall also drink of God's wrath, which is poured in his wrath, and he shall be tormented with Source and sulfur for the saints and angels and the Lamb, and the smoke of their torment ascends forever, and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives his mark. "Johs. Rev. 20, 10: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet, and they shall bite day and night forever and ever." Here we see the two places where the phrase eternity occurs. But now we have certainly seen that shall never means a time without end in Psalm 104. Just as in Psalm 104 is also here the term eternity for a limited time. Seeing a closer look at chapter 14 of context, then it's probably not talking about destruction at all.
Here John writes about the great tribulations that will one day come upon the earth. Jesus said on one occasion. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning until now, nor ever shall be. And were not those days be shortened, there was no flesh be saved but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. "During this period, tribulations, catastrophes and man's evil upon them incessantly, and those who experience this, you will probably feel that this misery will never end and that this will continue forever. But those who know the prophetic word, know that these afflictions one day end. One of the reasons I can interpret this to mean is that it says: "day and night forever and ever." But Bible says elsewhere that the sun, moon, day and night shall cease. When it says that they will be tormented in front of the lamb's eyes, so it is natural to interpret this as if Jesus is closely watching what is happening. He knows that all life on Earth is in danger, and Jesus will now fit in and prevent the soil becomes completely destroyed.

In Matthew 13 the disciples asked Jesus if he could interpret the parable of the sower. Jesus answered, "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world. The good seed are the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil. The enemy that sowed them is the devil. Harvest is the end of the age. Reapers are angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. "These words are so very clear. Just as the weeds are burned with fire and destroyed, so will those who will not believe will be burned up and destroyed. Had it been so the ungodly be burned forever, Jesus could not have compared them with weeds, but with something that did not seem to burn with fire.

We hear so often that we have to believe what is written in the Bible. I therefore challenge the article's readers: Do you believe in Jesus when he says: "As the weeds are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of the age"? Or is it that faith in an endless agony sits so fast that you say, "Jesus, you're wrong. We can not believe you when you speak contrary to our Lutheran confession. Our confession says the always what's right, so here introduces you actually a false doctrine. "

That the wicked will be burned up and destroyed are many places in the Bible. I'll just mention a few. Goal. 4: "For behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; when all the arrogant and all who do wickedly shall be stubble. And the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. "And in v. 3:" And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under your soles. "there should be no doubt that here speaks of judgment day. If the doctrine of endless torment had been correct, could not Malachi have written like this guy does.

Psalm 37.20: "For the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the meadow flowers garb; they will disappear like smoke shall they vanish. V. 3, "but the transgressors shall be destroyed all together, the wicked future cut." Es. 5,4: "Therefore, as the fire devours the stubble, and high collapsed in his cap, so shall their root rot, and their flower ascend as dust: for they have rejected the Almighty law and despised Holy One of Israel's word."

When Jesus in Matthew 13 speaks of the wicked shall be cast into a fiery furnace, we find this again in Johs. Rev., But then used the words lake of fire and the second death. And the devil and all evil people will be thrown into the lake of fire. Rev. 20.13 to 15: "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And if anyone was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. "I find it strange that such a precise word as" the second death, "being away interpreted to be a pain without end. All people have to go through the first death, which is our body's death. The second death, the soul's death, and this is only the wicked who get to experience.

Reason The text's words "apollymi" translated to perish perdition. But the word is also translated as: losing his life, perish, kill, kill, destroy, perish, perish, perishable destroyed so on. This is what happens on the day of judgment, The wicked will be destroyed, perish; destroyed, etc. So when in Johs. 3:16 says "should not perish," so it could just as easily have been: do not be destroyed. Personally, I believe that perish is a straightforward translation, but it is completely wrong to interpret destruction to become a torment without end.

Daily newspaper The day had many years ago a leader where the doctrine of endless torment was defended. As evidence was cited by Markus 9.43 to 48. It says about "unquenchable fire," the fire that is not quenched "and" worm that will not die. "But what is an unquenchable fire. When a house burns so hard that it is not possible to extinguish the flames, one can say that the house burned up with unquenchable fire. But of course, when the house is burned, so goes the house by themselves. It is now once fire exercise to burn up what is combustible. We have a similar example in Matthew 3:12. It says that he (Christ) will clear his threshing floor and gather the wheat into the barn while the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire. Here it is evident that the chaff burn up. Unquenchable fire must mean that no one can extinguish the fire before it has done its work.

In Mark 9 seems worm with fire. The worm does not die before it has deer destroy the wicked. In Isaiah 51.7 to 8 we read: Fear not the reproach of men, and afraid of their blasphemies. For the moth shall eat them like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool, "Here we see that moths and worms used as a picture of how the wicked will be destroyed. In Mark 9 has worm the same task as moth and rust in Isaiah 51

Jesus often used the word hell on Judgment Day. Hell is translated from the word Gehenna, the Greek word for the Hebrew Gehinnom. This is a place name and means Himmons valley. This place is located close to the walls of ancient Jerusalem. In Jesus' day was garbage from Jerusalem, even dead animals and possibly also the bodies of criminals thrown into this valley and burned. It was thus a corruption valley. We know what happened to the garbage that was thrown into Gehenna. It was cast there that it would be burned and destroyed. Therefore it was natural for Jesus to use Gehenna as a picture of what will happen to the wicked in the judgment.

Jesus often used figurative language to reveal its message. To reveal the gospel of love, he used the words bride and groom. For this picture to work, there are two key conditions must be met. Love must be mutual, and the bride must have chosen to say yes to her husband of their own free will. This is a picture that shows how wrong preaching about an endless torment is. I continue to use the image, and hearing some preachers will then be as follows: A man meets a woman and get her dearly loved. He expresses his love for her and says he wants all his heart to live with her in good and bad days. Then he says this. -I Know that you can get a good life together with me. But if you say no to my offer, you should know that I have power to throw you into prison and torture and torment you, and you will never get away from my revenge. So be sure now that you choose the right. "

When you read the Bible, so it is important that you read it with an open mind and a sincere desire to find the truths contained therein. We can not, as the disciples ask Jesus directly and face to face if there is anything we wonder. But Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to help us with the understanding of the Bible's message. If we are sincere in our quest for truth, it does not help if we biblical knowledge. One can quickly get in the same situation as the scribes in Jesus time was in. And Jesus was not merciful to them. "Ye do err, because ye know not the scriptures, nor the power of God," and "You ransack the scriptures, because ye think ye have eternal life in them - and they are they which testify of me. But you will not come to me for life. "It's no wonder that the scribes were provoked by Jesus' words. They could not tolerate that Jesus, an unlearned carpenter's son, would correct them, they like all day studying the scriptures.

I know that God hates the doctrine of endless torment, because this doctrine tells us lies about God. God has no interest in maintaining life with painful torment just for him to get his revenge. Jesus came that we might have life, abundant life. But there is now even a fact that many people do not care about this, and that they do not care about justice, truth and goodness. When has God no other option but to end their lives.

In this article as best told the truth about what is happening in the judgment you.
So get the individual decide if he will believe in the truth liberating word, or as God himself says it is!

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lørdag 24. september 2016

No. 1340: Sadism IN GOD'S NAME.

No. 1340:
Sadism IN GOD'S NAME.

By Svein Marøy

Photo by Jan Hanvold sitting in its TV schedule and believe that anyone who does not support him and Vision Norway are lagging. But Hanvold is arguably even with both feet on its way towards damnation with being an adulterer. Scripture clearly says that such things will not inherit the kingdom of God, but what constitutes damnation? This printer Marøy about, here's an introduction to what God's word says and teaches about damnation!


Paul writes to Timothy. "Now the Spirit speaketh clear words that in the coming times some shall depart from the faith, paying adhere to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils, by hypocrisy of false teachers who are seared in their own conscience, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from food, which God created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. "

Paul was infinitely right in what he writes here. It was not long before pulling into the evangelistic message pagan philosophies and beliefs. We know that the Catholic Church quite early came with a prohibition against priests and bishops to marry, a ban that applies to this day. Man began practicing another baptism than the baptism that the apostles practiced and taught. The pagan religions had its trinity, and gradually they began to talk about the Bible God as a triune God. (Illustrated Norwegian Bible Encyclopedia admits that there is a certain similarity between the church Trinitarian doctrine and certain triads in foreign religions.) But the worst and most heinous of all learning works, were still those who do not believe in God will be tormented forever, or "tormented without end, "as it says in the Lutheran confession. In the Middle Ages this proclamation about the wicked fate so intense, that there are certain places erupted pure insanity epidemics. And even today there are many people who have serious mental problems, because the thought of a torment without end, not on to endure.

It was the Greek philosopher Plato who argued immortality of the soul. This doctrine must at one time or another been brought up in the Christian faith. According to former missionary priest in Madagascar, Lars Dale and ( "Life after death," 1905 p. 467) and Bishop Karl Marthinussen ( "Time and Eternity 1938 p.67.") Claimed the Fathers Justin Martyr and Irenaeus destruction doctrine. Dr. Theol. J.P. Bang says: Destruction doctrine is not new. One can after show it with Justin, Irenaeus and other early church of men. "(Faith and Life," b. 3, s297, 1920.)

Justin Martyr belonged to the Platonic school. One day he came in contact with the Jew Tryphon. During the conversation, they came into the immortality of the soul. The sage refutes immortality of the soul. He says: But I am not claiming that all souls die. The good takes up residence in a good place, the unjust and evil awaits an evil place time of judgment. In this way, those who are worthy to meet God, never die, but the others shall be punished as long as God wants them to be and be punished. "" It is only God who is not created, and which is immortal . "" That soul lives, no one can deny. But when the liver, it is not because it is life, but because it has become involved in life. What has become involved in something different from what makes it advantageous. The soul becomes involved in life because God wants it to live. But when God does not want it to live, so live it no longer. For they have not, as God, life itself. "

Justin asks sage who to take as his teacher, and where he will learn from, when he can not find the truth among philosophers. The sage then shows the Prophet. These spoke at The Devote Spirit and said assumed what would happen. Their writings are Christians possess, and those who read them, you will get all the knowledge a philosopher need. They bear witness to a truth which is beyond all sense conclusions. They proclaim God the Creator, Father and Son Christ. Justin writes: "When he had said this and much more, which I now can not tell, he left me with the commandment to abide by what he had said, and I saw him no more. But fire burned in me, and I made love for the prophets, and the men who were Christ's friends. "(Lars Berg:" No eternal torment, "pp. 238-239, 1962.)

From what we read here, there should be no doubt that the Christians at that time did not believe in immortality of the soul.

The evil seed doctrine of torment indefinitely, had the power in themselves to foster sadists in both the Catholic and Lutheran church. Their god was a god who had delighted in torment, trying our best to emulate this god. History can therefore tell of martyrs who were cooked with slow fire. The pleasure which the sight of these poor people's torments brought, they thought that they should also retain in heaven, and form part of their beatitude there. One of the Catholic Church's most prominent theologian, the so-called "holy" Thomas of Akvino who lived in the 1200s, therefore wrote as follows: "The Blessed be from their place in heaven considered the damned torments, and upon seeing them, the be overwhelmed with joy, and thank God for their own happiness by to witness the wicked unspeakable misery. "

The famous Swedish minister Lars Linderot wrote a huspostill about the middle of the 1800s. There he wrote in a sermon on the 17th Sunday after Pentecost: "Honorable people on earth could the often after sermon, for their amusement's sake, go ind in prisons to defeats itself. Thus was also the blessed in heaven make up heavenly walks and look at the rejected tukthuslemmer who tormented agony's prisons, the condemned prisoners who tormented in hell prison, and lies there like eternity prisoners. --- "They would go on to see how the immortal worm Peeves them, and how the unquenchable fire burns them, and how they lie in the lake of fire as an abomination to all flesh." It is a terrible thought that the damned pine place should be "a spectacle, one eyetested where the blessed should go out and see their damned parents, their children condemned, their condemned siblings and friends, and all these helvedesbranner going to be a sacred eyetested ---."

This was my grandparents read to approximately 100år since without doubt a word.

Pentecostal founder Norden, TB Barratt defended the doctrine of endless torment in his book "Behind the death and burial." When Barratt defended this doctrine, it is not surprising that the Pentecostal movement had ministers who have been so very good at creating anxiety and fear mood with its issuance of perdition unbearable and eternal anguish. In 1970 came the book "The Saints' eternal rest," translated and published in Pentecostal Publishing, Philadelphia Press. It says: "How terrible it is when no one in heaven and no one on earth can help them (the lost in hell.) Without God, and he laughs at them. The worst of these agonies are meant to last forever. When one thousand million years have passed, they will continue with the same vigor as the first day. If there had been hope of an end to the agony, so would this idea have been a relief for the condemned, but forever is an unbearable thought. "Because of their sins", God is never tired of punishing them. - Their immortal souls bear the blame for infringement, therefore they must also suffer incorruptible anguish. "In the book we can also read that God has a helper to torture and torment, it is the devil. He will help to "implement the judgments of God." He who on earth succeed in pulling them away from Christ, the reward being a "tool in the hand of God to punish them for that they gave in to his temptation."

When I come across such writings, I am reminded of the words of 2 Thessalonians. 2, 10-11. "And with all deceit of unrighteousness among those who perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, that they should be judged all those who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness, "The doctrine of endless torment is an insane lie, and helps to blind the believer's eyes completely, and therefore is not able to see and reveal the insanity that is expressed in the book "the saints' eternal rest."

The Christian conservative newspapers Norway In Day and Day magazine, TV channel Vision Norway with Jan Hanvold and healing preacher Svein Magne Pedersen is currently helping to continue the Lutheran conception of a torment without end. A couple of years ago guested Mary K. Baxter Vision Norway. She had had their revelations and visions about what was happening in hell and now she wanted viewers would get an insight into perdition reality. It was fire and brimstone, demons who took people into a torture chamber where they were tortured, cries of pain so violent that they could be heard all over hell, etc. And most important of all. These disorders will never cease. The program was rebroadcast at midday, where the children had the opportunity to follow the program. I knew that I was unwell to listen to her, and I knew that sensitive children and adults could bring harm to his soul if they took account of the madness gospel Baxter preached. The gospel is as clear and clean water that brings health and healing to those who drink it. Christians have been commissioned by God to distribute this water for free to those who want it. Jan Hanvold and Vision Norway nor married in this water, and therefore those who look too much on Vision Norway become ill. A visible side effect is seriously impaired judgment.

Someday Jan Hanvold face his judge, and I would not have been in his shoes when he must answer why he poisoned the gospel that God put him to manage.

In confession confession Augustana (Submitted by Melanchthon, approved by Luther) says: "the pious and chosen eternal life and eternal joy, but ungodly men and the devils He will condemn to be tormented without end. They condemn the Anabaptists, who think that there should be an end to the condemned men and devils penalties. "It is interesting to notice that the Anabaptists of Luther did not believe in an endless torment. Some of them, f. Ex. dr. Theol. Balthasar Hubmaier, had high theological education, and thus had the opportunity to read the Bible in their original languages. They came therefore concluded that the Bible is not taught an endless torment. Because they preached and practiced the baptism we can read about in D.N.T. had Hubmaier and many of his coreligionists pay with their lives.

Baptist Union rains Hubmaier and other martyrs in the 1500s as its founders. Unfortunately teaches Baptist community today an endless torment, and thus they have abandoned the position that society's founders stood for.

Two years before the Diet of Augsburg wrote Martin Luther's own confession. Here he writes; "Finally, I believe in all resurrection of the dead on the day of judgment, as well the good as the wicked, that every then will receive in his body that he deserves, and that the good will live forever with Christ, and that the wicked will die forever. "(Ewiglich sterben) to die forever, stands for me as something quite different from" tormented without end. "Sensational is the reading inference words of this confession:" I ask all with good heart be witnesses for me and pray for me that I have to stand by this faith and die in it. And if I by scruples and death distress going to say something else, then there will be nothing, and I hereby publicly professing that it is false and filed by the devil. Thereto help me my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Honored forever. Amen "(Luther's Werke, Weimar in 1909, b. 26, p. 509) Now we know that Luther two years later joined Melanchtons Augustana where the words" tormented without end "was used. But this is typical of Luther, he had a tendency to contradict himself.

Many years ago I sent some articles to about 130 theologians around the country. These articles tried briefly to show that the Bible does not teach some endless torment, what this doctrine leads to horror, anxiety and despair for those who believe in Augustana art: 17. In the context of these articles, wrote Dr. Theol. Leiv Aalen (1906-1983) back to me, and he used the words "vulgar misunderstandings" and "vulgar errors." What then says Leiv Aalen on destruction? In his book "Beyond inferno" he writes: "The atrocities at perdition is that God no longer reveals himself for salvation, but solely to the judgment and death of their enemies, so that they unceasingly must exist to face his wrath. There have against this has been argued that the idea that they should burn in God's anger flames in all eternity, in reality is 10 times worse than a medieval torture show. Well, it is true that it is said, but it is really nothing to be done about it, if we are to be faithful to Jesus' words and the entire biblical witness of perdition reality. "

I am glad that Leiv Aalen not right, and I get to use his own words. It's Leiv Aalen coming with "vulgar misunderstandings" and "vulgar errors." Just the thought of two minutes in such agony, will fill us with fear of death, and now alleges Aalen that such torment will never end. And this will happen without God, his son Jesus, God's angels and saved people care less. This is pure sadism, and there are many who have passed away from Christianity because L. Aalen and others have preached a gospel that Christ came with. I perceived never Leiv Aalen as a gospel defender. He was more of a confession watchdog, ready to bark and attack if a priest or bishop would take the liberty to read his Bible without first having taken on confession "glasses." Leiv Aalen writes: "The confession duty as gospel vision incumbent ecclesial ministry, means that they learn decisions that confession is expressed, have a non-repudiation requirements to be respected as the church's official teaching standpoint, whatever the individual might think this stand point biblical justification. "Then memories Aalen on ordination vow and promise by episcopal consecration . This sentiment is also shared by prof. Dr. Theol. Carl Fr. Wisløff, who was one of the Church's foremost defender of the doctrine of endless torment.

I have always argued that where there is a discrepancy between the Bible and the Church's confession, (and such discrepancies exist, although conservative theologians deny this) there follows the Church confession. Augustana learns about an endless torment in nature 17. Augustana art. 9 teaches us that one gets saved in baptism. Same species. also says that young children who are baptized perish. It says: "They condemn the Anabaptists who reject infant baptism and claims that children are saved without baptism." We also know that the Church and other free congregations teach that man has an immortal soul. The conclusion has to then be that little children who die without baptism are perishing, and destruction, according Augustana tormented without end. Certainly one hears from time to time that the men of the church claim that the Church does not teach that little children perish without baptism. I experience when a church that speaks with two tongues. Outwardly, not to create reactions, they say one thing, yet none of them are willing to question the Church's confession. On the contrary, priests constantly reminded how important it is that preaching is consistent with the Church's confession.

I have heard people say: "If it is not eternal torment, then I would not have been a Christian." Those who come with such statements have not understood anything. Jesus had after all go through a painful death that we might be partakers of eternal life, and he did it willingly, because he had love for us humans. This means nothing to these people. They have nothing else to add the Christian congregation than inconveniences, because they are Christians incorrectly. I hear again such a statement, I would without hesitation recommend them to live life in the outside world, so they can either come back after they have experienced this world is vanity and deception.

In another article I will go into some biblical passages that will help to confirm what I have long argued: The Bible does not teach an endless torment for the wicked, and the teacher nor that man has an immortal soul.

Related links:
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No. 1339: The Trinity of God!

No. 1339:
The Trinity of God!

By Svein Marøy

Belief in a TriadeGud was a development that one got introduced when Christianity became a state religion by Emperor Constantine in brief. This was a doctrine that was totally unknown to the early Christians and Jews in many ways Muslims also find this learn to be uncomfortable and unbiblical!


A few days ago I had a conversation with a Pentecostal, and we entered the Trinity.
As good Pentecostal thought he course of the triune God.
I answered that as long as I had not read about the Triune God of the Bible, I felt absolutely no obligation to believe in this God.

If you move a little beyond what is traditional thinking, it is frequently forgotten to check for the presence of that being said, is consistent with the Bible's teachings. I meet this problem too when I testify against the doctrine of endless torment. Belief in an endless agony sits so deep that it is not at all interesting to go into the scriptures that disproves this doctrine.

On trehundretallet was controversy about the triune God fierce. Christian flogged each other in public for the three divine persons' guilt, often as the blood flowed. Eventually overcame the Trinitarian doctrine that Christians today profess. And you know the why in earlier times was death to go against church teachings. In 1553 argued Spaniard Michael Server with great spiritual strength against the church Trinitarian doctrine. Vainly church to get him to go back on what he had written. It went as it had to go at the time. On reformer Calvin's initiative, he was burned at the stake. I write this to show that the controversy about the triune God is not new.

If I ask pastors, preachers or ordinary Christians for a report about the triune God, I can get quite different answers. I am therefore obliged to stick to the official version.

The teachings found in the church confessional. We know that ordained priests and bishops are obliged to teach in accordance with his confession. I will cite some of these writings, and I have every reason to ask: Is such a doctrine in the Bible?

In The Athanasian Creed (from about 500's) says. "Whoever will be saved, before all things stick to the catholic faith.
Whoever does not keep it whole and undefiled will without doubt perish eternally.
And this is the catholic faith, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in
device, as we neither confusing the persons or dividing the substance.
For one person of the Father, another of the Holy Spirit. But Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit deity is one, the glory equal, the majesty is coeternal.
Uncreated, the Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, the Holy Spirit.
Incomprehensible, Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit.
Eternal Father, eternal, the Son eternal, the Holy Spirit.
And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal, as also not three uncreated nor three infinites, but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible. "
"In the same way the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty, and yet there are not three almighty, but one almighty.
So the Father is God, the son God and the Holy Spirit God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God
So the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, the Holy Spirit, Lord, and yet they are not three Lords but one Lord

For as the Christian truth compels us to acknowledge each person by himself to be God and Lord, so we are forbidden by the catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords. And in this Trinity none is before or after, nothing greater or less. But all three persons are coeternal and coequal, so that in all things, as has been stated above, the Trinity in the unit, and the unit in Trinity. "

After quoting from the Athanasian creed, I must be allowed to say that it is not difficult to discover that it is not the Bible which is the inspiration for this publication. Instead of throwing the entire manuscript on a rubbish dump, exalts church this a confessional. I think Christian leaders must decide. Either get the belief in one God, as the Bible teaches us, or so they get belief in three gods. To say that they believe in three gods while being a god, is unbiblical, pointless and silly.

Illustrated Norwegian Bible Lexicon is written by some of the country's foremost Bible Connoisseurs. Lexicon defends hot The Athanasian Creed. I quote: "The word Trinity states that God is threefold, while one. This word does not occur in the Bible, but the concept is strong biblical substantiated. The term's first in Theofilus of Alexandria, but it is the church father Tertullian who brought it inside. "Here Admittedly it is thus that there were people who lived long after the apostles who brought this teaching to breakthrough. Now referring albeit INB a lot of scriptures to prove the correctness of this doctrine. Unfortunately it turns out that the scholars use their knowledge of the Bible to coarse manipulation. Therefore it is important to ask the question: The passages referred to, proving that God is triune, or that "the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods, but one God ? "I am of the opinion, having quoted from these writings that the Triune God is a product of the imagination of a god, created by an apostate church long after the apostles.

In confession confession Augustana (written by Melanchthon, approved by Martin Luther) appears the phrase "true God and true man," up. Therefore, we often hear that it is preached that it was God himself who came into the world to atone for our sins. This despite the fact that the entire New Testament is a long testimony that God sent his son into the world to atone for our sins. In the Bible we read that Jesus prayed to God, Jesus sits at the Father's right hand, God raised Jesus from the dead, a voice from heaven spoke, "This is my son, the beloved." Etc. These biblical testimony is meaningless if Jesus was God.

When I write that Christians, especially conservative Christians, engaged in gross manipulation to get the doctrine of the triune God to conform to the Bible, I will show some examples. Thoralf Gilbrant is editor of the Norwegian Study Bible from 1988. Other employees are famous people who Sigurd Grindheim, Norvald Yri, Arthur Berg and Carl Fr. Wisløff. To emphasize that the Trinity is found everywhere in the Bible, they have inserted a symbol Outside the the verse that they believe clarifies the doctrine of a triune God. I went through the 4 evangelia, and concluded that this symbol is used ca. 80 times. I look at the first 6 places in Matthew where this symbol is used. Matt 1,2. "Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac had Jacob. Jacob Judah and his brothers. 1.20 to 21. "But while he thought on these things, behold, it showed an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, son of David! Fear not to take Mary your wife into your home. For that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son and you shall call his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins. "2:23:" When he got there, he settled in a town called Nazareth, so that it would be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophets, he shall be called a Nazarene. "3.16 to 17. When Jesus was baptized, went up straightway out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming upon him. And behold, there was a voice from heaven: This is my beloved Son. In whom I am well pleased. "

This is what I believe is manipulation. How they can use these verses as proof that God is triune, is a mystery to me. Here not the publishers of Norwegian Study Bible been honest in their dealings with the biblical texts. Moreover, the symbol is used, an open eye which is surrounded by a triangle. This symbol is pagan and goes by the name "eye of providence." The symbol is used in the occult organization Illuminate and other more or less occult Masonic lodges. It is not expected that a pagan / occult symbol pops up on every page when you set out to read the Word of God.

Editor Odd Sverre Hove in Day magazine is very fond of the triune God, and often refers to the god. Once he would defend this god, he used Matt 3.15 to 16 to prove that god's existence. Here it must be our one way or another that has turned Hove with blindness. These verses refute the Jesus is true God. Jesus walked on earth, God spoke from heaven and cried met a proud heart. "This is my son, in whom I am well pleased." This is kindergarten logic. When God reviewing Jesus as his son, Jesus can even impossible to God.

In Johs. 1 we read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. I assume that the word here referring to Jesus, and I got the problem. How could Jesus be with God while he was God? The solution I found in 2 Mos. 4 and 7. It says: "And he (Aaron) shall speak to the people for you; he shall be your mouth, and you shall be to God for him. "Chapter 7:" Behold, I have made you God to Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Here we see that Moses was called God for Aaron and God of Moses. Obviously this does not mean that Moses was God Almighty. Aaron and Pharaoh would abide by the word of Moses, for Moses spoke the Word of God to them. Likewise, we will abide by the words of Jesus, for Jesus spoke God's Word to us.

It might be interesting to take a closer look at the power relationship between God and Jesus. God stands over Jesus in power, comes out clearly in Jesus' own words: "Father is greater than I am," and Paul description of God as the head of Christ.

A description of GT explains in a brilliant way power relationship between God and Jesus. After Joseph had Pharaoh dream, put Pharaoh Joseph to rule throughout Egypt. It says: "You shall be responsible for my house and all my people shall abide by your word; only in the throne will I be greater than you .------- Look, I appreciate you all over the land of Egypt. "(1 Mos. 41, 38-46 Les preferably all verses.) So it is between God and Jesus. Because of Jesus' obedience to God, God has given all authority in heaven and on earth to Jesus as it says: "I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth." Pharaoh trusted Joseph, and Joseph ruled in accordance with Pharaoh will and therefore it was never inconsistencies between Pharaoh and Joseph. So also with God and Jesus. God trusts in Jesus, and Jesus knows how to govern in accordance with his father. But of course, the one that gives power is greater than he who gets power.

Johs. 1 shows that Jesus was with the creation. This agrees well with Proverbs 8. It says: "The Lord created me as his first work, before his other deeds of old .--- When abyss was yet to, I was born, when there was still no fountains filled with water .---- when he built the heavens, I was there, when he beat arch over the abyss. Then he fastened clouds above, when he set boundaries for the sea, so the water does not go beyond his command, when he laid the foundations then I was foreman at him, and I was his desire, day after day, I was playing always before him; ---- "It is clear that I am grateful that I do not believe in a triune God. The understanding of this beautiful portrayal would then passed me by.

Jesus said on one occasion: "Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." I myself have 4 children. If I in 1995 had said to my 8-year-old daughter that God is the father of Jesus, when she realized this. If I further said that when God is the father of Jesus, then Jesus himself being God, she would also though it. I told her that I am the son of Alfred Marøy, she believed me. Had I said that I am the son of Alfred Marøy, while I myself have him, she would rightly wonder whether I had lost my mind. Small children understand these simple truisms, while faith in the church confessional prevents even professors of theology to understand anything.
I am reminded of the fairy tale "The Emperor's New Clothes." Theologians, priests and preachers speak with pride and solemnity of the Triune God, this beautiful mystery that God is threefold while one; that Jesus is true God and true man; that Christianity's Trinitarian doctrine is exalted above all other religions, etc. They live in a delusion, and young children are able to reveal them. They know that it is not possible for Jesus to be both God and God's son.
Trinity tells us that the Holy Spirit is a divine person with God and Jesus make up one God. On another occasion, I will argue why I believe this is contrary to the Bible's message and all logical thinking.
 Now there are enough people who would argue that Marøy is an insignificant, and therefore need not worry so much about what he writes. So might be that I am insignificant, I no longer have any great ambitions. But one thing I know: It's God of the Bible, heaven and earth who has called me to testify against the doctrine of the triune God, and it is not too hard to understand purpose. By retaining the doctrine of the triune God, violate one the first commandment that says "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
I feel like I have learned so much of God's love, care and grace that I'm looking forward to that one day I will meet God and his son Jesus Christ. But if I get there, I must hold on to the truths revealed in the Bible's message. Therefore, woe is me if I ever come to defend the doctrine of the triune God or the doctrine of an endless torment for the disbelievers. I know the truth of these matters, and it will be completely different motives than love of the truth that will get me to change its position.

Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/01/no-1104-baptism-three-titles-or-three.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/11/no-1080-great-commission-to-baptize-in.html