Do not need Jan Hanvold to be saved, just because he helps the poor in Moldova?
Image of an adulterer, adulterer sins Jan Kaare Hanvold.
A sister and others have said the following to me. With different formulations, but something like this.
Jan Kåre, we agree with you regarding Jan Hanvold.
He should not have married a third time. But now he does so much good, helping poor people in Moldova and God forgave him. Had he not done so much good, so we agree with you. But God met him, and he has changed!
How does a saved? It is 100% the work of God, in which everything is finished in Christ. And we accept the gift of God, Jesus Christ!
How are we saved? It is 100% dependent on us, if we want to follow Christ. Of course, it is by God's help. But it's 100% dependence for our side. Here Jan Hanvold failed and sinned unto death to remarry. Scripture says we do not even ye shall neither ask for Hanvold, or eat with him. He is a lost sinner, and it is worse to him with heathen!
Here is some of what I have written before:
The cardinal sin of Pastor Jan Hanvold that he is himself guilty of adultery and two are "married" for the third time!
You write a lot about Vision Norway and Pastor Jan Hanvold. But you write sometimes so much that it is the cardinal sin of Pastor Jan Hanvold that he is even guilty of adultery and two are "married" for the third time, it will be gone. Then everything else he does, preaches and what it had to be also be wrong. Otherwise, stand in brotherhood and God's blessing upon you and yours. If you do not agree with what I write?
What Hanvold have said on Radio 107.7 in Oslo several times is that you write that he himself is to blame for his two adultery and he could not and would not live solitary word of God says. Is totally agree with you. He will be supported out of the church scripture says and left to Satan so that he shall if possible could go itself! Picture that Satan is behind Hanvold and to which he belongs and serve by virtue of their sinful life and hideous theology. And those who in some way are with him to share in his sin and come in ledertog with demons to a greater or lesser extent. So serious is this, Hanvold and Vision Norway is like a malignant tumor that makes greater and greater damage for which it is spreading, and continue living without being removed
Jan and Inger Hanvold do not live as married by the word of God, but living together. It is living in adultery, it does nothing to "confess" their sins no one repents 180 degrees. It is to repent giving and grants us forgiveness of sins!
I remember that there were those who said that Hanvold was "innocent" and therefore he can remarry. But here is one that also says that even something we all know he's guilty of two adultery. What? Since liver both he and his "new" wife of adultery when she - tournaments - is married to a divorced. They both sin to death and puts itself without passing the grace of God. And they will drag others along in their wild helpful way to do the same and that is good for them and their work!
The eyes of Inger looks demonic and unhappy, as if she is on something. What she "goes" is Satan intoxication scripture says why do they also His will.
2 Timothy 2:26 and wake up from his wine in the devil's snare, having been captured by him to do his will. 1 Timothy 5:15 For some have already alienated by Satan.
It's true what you write Agnar that here it is a cardinal sin that makes everything else is also wrong. Whether it is "right" preaching assistance or television broadcasts. Scripture teaches the same:
1 Cor. 13th 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give to feed the poor all that I possess, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
Dear Agnar and the rest of you who are reading this.
It is quite right that you write Agnar, Hanvold main sin is that he is living in adultery. Is re-married for the third time as a Christian and have guilt even in its two adultery after what he said in public!
It does nothing to engage in relief work, TV work, preaching, Bible and what it had to be if you live in blatant adultery and sin by script - the New Testament.
Sorry that is not my focus has always been there. At Hanvold can never do anything right with God and man. It's so clear in God's word in 1 Cor. 13th (Freely translated) 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have re-married as a believer, I am become sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have re-married as a Christian, I am nothing. 3 And if I give to feed the poor all that I possess, and though I give my body to be burned, but do not live with first and rightly wife, it profits me nothing. (Freely translated is in line with scripture).
I think of my own life Agnar, I have lived opposite one Hanvold. But there are quite many who write to me that I should go in myself etc. I really think it is to miss. It is Hanvold and the living in sin who must themselves first and foremost, not us.
What does God's word on divorce and remarriage of believers? Want to bring a Chronicle of the day 06/06/01 by Dag Rune Lid
Cohabitation, Divorce and Remarriage in the Bible light
Divorce statistics show that there are a total of 10,000 couples who are divorced in the past year in Norway. There is an unimaginable number and it is painful to think of all the trouble this causes for many of those involved - especially the children. It appears that one of the devil's cunning attacks this past time is to destroy the homes, thereby destroying the cells due to the structure of society. The result is that society disintegrates.
The devil knows how dangerous a Christian home is. They can be as small beacon in a dark world, so these now attacked from all sides and it feels too much trouble in this area within the Christian people. Now we read in the media that "It's like the plug has come loose in Christian contexts, it's been okay for Christians stand." And in speaking of cohabitation so it becomes easy featured in round formulations as not to offend anyone. But that does not speak the Bible, and we need as a Christian people to stop up.
The older ministers talked about the people who are preaching is. When the shepherds can no longer say what the Bible speaks manifested, then we also experience the Bible like a sore that one should also reap. When the Bible speaks of the reason that we are now experiencing in our people as God speaks to his people and said: "You are the salt of the earth! But if the salt lose its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. "(Matthew 5:13)
A true Christian can not compromise on the Bible, then it will also be on a collision course with who one day will judge the living and the dead. The Lord Jesus is one with His Word and He is yesterday and today the same. The question then becomes important for those who intend to heaven becomes: What word of God says about these topics?
Cohabitation - marriage
Today, cohabitation is widely accepted in the people - from the top of the social ladder and placed in the "Christian" series, but the Bible cohabitation as adultery and says that those who live like shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 7:2 and 1 Thessalonians 4:2-5.)
God wanted man well and instituted the lifelong marriage frame about the love between man and woman. (Mark 10:7 and Ephesians 5:31) The importance of this is reflected by the fact that the Lord did this in the 6th commandment that says "Thou shalt not commit adultery," or it can also be translated: "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
There are some basic principles that runs through everything that the Bible speaks of marriage. There are things that are immutable, they belong to the order of creation. God emphasizes this when he says in 1 M 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
Jesus also refers to this when he speaks of marriage in Food. 19:3 ff. The spouses shall be one flesh and jointly share the joys and sorrows that this entails.
The Bible puts marriage into a social and legal context. In the word of 1M 2:24 says that "man shall leave his father and mother." This means that he is from a legal and social context and into another, where it is clear to everyone that these two by marriage has formed a new unit that will last a lifetime.
Based on the word of God will not help out a legally binding confirmation that marriage is entered into. The Bible has no formula for how a marriage shall be entered into. Society's plans for marriage is valid, if they do not violate God's word. It is important to emphasize is that marriage is a legal change of life-long relationship status made in full transparency and confirmed by the couple, their parents and the authorities. For a Christian, it is natural that marriage also entered into the word of God and prayer. A cohabitation lacks any biblical grounds. It is based on subjective feelings and private decisions. Cohabitation is a lack of willingness to make a decision of lifelong character and a desire to live together sexually without taking on the obligation of the Bible relates to such unions.
The Bible says that divorce is against God's will. Jesus says in Matthew 19:4-6, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall be one flesh? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. "See also Mark 10:6-9, Luke 4:18 p.m., 1 Corinthians 7:10-11.
The New Testament has two specific exceptions where divorce is not a sin. The one exception is found in Matthew 5:32 "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than adultery is causing her to commit adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. »The second exception mentioned in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16. You have got an unbelieving spouse who demand a divorce if the other does not want to enter the Christian faith. Other exceptions are not mentioned in the NT.
The Bible also speaks clearly in this case. In Luke 4:18 p.m. says, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery. And whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. "Jesus' words in Mark 10:11-12 is not to be misunderstood:" Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, guilty of adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery. "
Paul writes as clearly in 1 Corinthians 7:10-11: "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord: A wife must not separate from her husband. But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. "
We note that Paul refers to a commandment from the Lord. It is given only two options for the divorced wife: To remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. The theory that the innocent party may remarry after a divorce based on Matthew 19:9 where Jesus says, "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another , committeth adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "
From this it is believed to have coverage for a man who is separated from his wife because she has committed adultery can remarry. But such an interpretation violates the parallel Bible verses cited above. True biblical interpretation has always been the guiding star that the clear words must illuminate the less clear, and in this case it is more clear verses that go against remarriage.
Train up a child
The Bible says in Words 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: So he does not shy from it when he is old. "Scripture emphasizes that it is important to teach the young. We believe that our time is particularly important in this context, when the concrete situations arise with their own children, the family and between friends, it becomes far more difficult to take this up if not before been described.
How society has become de-Christianized during the last 20-30 years, many have run up in very difficult situations humanly and requires the love, care and confidence in the counselor who will try to guide you the word of God. One will certainly experience the need for the help that the Bible assigns in James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God - for God giveth to all men liberally and without reproach - and he will get it."
Also in these areas of life is the reparation and forgiveness to get to the turn and recognize sin as sin. God says so nice in Isaiah 1:18-19: "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
But forgiveness and grace can never be used as a patch on syndesår without settlement and repentance from sin. Today we experience the grace used to, but it is not biblical tale. That is what the ancients called to "sin of grace". No, let us listen to the Bible speak and live the way God intended for His people. There is a difference between falling into sin and for life contrary to God's word. When we live in sin!
And do not forget that God wants you only the best, "I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord. Thoughts of peace and not of evil. I'll give you a future and a hope. "(Jer. 29:11) The best thing for any human being to organize their lives according to God's will and commandments, and let the Word judge sin as sin. Whoever does the will experience the same as David - "And you took away my sins." (Psalm 32:5)
Agnar and the rest of you who have read this article, I hope there have been with you what I would have said. At Hanvold is by writing a person to be supported out of the church and the Christian community. The scripture speaks of. Why? Because he has not repented of his sin. It helps little to confess his sin, as long as one does not repent from it.
1 Corinthians 5 1 On the whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even mentioned among the Gentiles: that is joined to his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from you. 3 For I, for my part, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, field the judgment of those who have done this, 4 that he shall our Lord Jesus, giving and my spirit together in our Lord Jesus' power, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. 6 It is not handsome that I boast of you off. Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened for our passover is sacrificed for us: Christ. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with malice and wickedness; but with purity and truth unleavened bread! 9 I wrote to you in my letter that I should not have intercourse with fornicators - 10 I did not mean to ordinary fornicators of this world or the greed and robbers, or idolaters, or had ye go out of the world: 11 But now I have written to you, was that I should not have intercourse with any man that is called a brother and a fornicator, or covetous person or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or robber, so I do not even eat with him. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge only those who are within? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Put away the wicked man from among yourselves
What is this? Yes, when a living as Hanvold making or other obvious sins, he will be denied access to the church. Do not have an opportunity to be part of the Christian community, and not take part in the sacrament. For him to be able to go in themselves and not infect the Christian community. This is the way the Bible and the New Testament teachings even though the opposite is practiced and enforced today, so this is what God's word teaches!
Taking finally an article by Jan Johansson on church discipline:
Assembly Discipline or church discipline - or as it is commonly called earlier church discipline - it is quite silent about today. In many quarters it is hardly practiced either. And it is a serious matter. Many believe enough - with a hint of truth - that it belongs to the past of the Christian Church's history, a judicial and loveless age. Like everything else has almost certainly also forsamlingstukten been abused and thus caused great damage. The greater the blessing, the bigger the curse when something is misused.
But just applied the assembly instruction a priceless blessing. Therefore, it should be about to do for everyone it again is practiced where it is not now the case.
But here we hasten slowly. No human being is in itself capable of exercising assembly instruction. Made it with such a basis, it will mostly cause harm. It can either be by unloving judge ill or by following the so-called "Christian" opinion and let people continue to live in sin. Therefore we should be cautious about trying to organize forward assembly instruction. It can not organize, but emerges in which the spiritual life is fresh. For real assembly instruction is nothing but spiritual guidance from beginning to end. Therefore, we all need to turn to our "souls shepherd and overseer" (1 Peter 2.25) that he can make our own mind. How can we awakened to care for the souls of our brothers and sisters, and be filled with Christ's love, wisdom and zeal. This is required for forsamlingstukten might work. Furthermore, we think that the assembly instruction causes pain. It's not just the false, where one goes up in adjudicating human power, but also the real, where people led by the Holy Spirit to work through to try to show the way it has come on the wrong track. Nothing good is born without pain. It applies to the federation as well as for the flocks.
But when this painful work is carried out with the love of Christ as the driving force, is the spiritual brother band to be strengthened. Nowhere are they as strong as where the wires to the suffering and sacrificial love are interleaved.
Assembly Discipline in practice
We begin by reading in 1 Corinthians 5.1 to 8: "On the whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even named among the Gentiles: that a man living with his father's wife. And ye are puffed up! Ought you not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you that I probably absent in body but present in spirit, have already - as if I was with you - concerning him who has done this. In our Lord Jesus, and you shall gather my spirit in our Lord Jesus' power, that he hath sinned shall be delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. It fits badly that you commend you! Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For our passover is sacrificed for Christ. So let's keep feast, not with old leaven, not with evil and the load sourdough, but with sincerity and truth unleavened bread! " We also need to include a few words from Matt 18.15 to 18: "But if your brother sins against you, go and tell him right, he and you alone. Hear him on you, you have won your brother. But he is not, so take with you one or two more, that in any word may be established by two or three witnesses. But he will not listen to them, tell it to the church. hear he nor the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector! Verily I say unto you: Everything you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. "
A double aim
Assembly Discipline has a double purpose. First and foremost, it's time to save the individual who is caught in sin yarn, "that his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus." But it also applies to preserve the assembly clean, "Purge out therefore the old leaven." On the way to discipline become revival warning to the others in the meeting.
It is important that both sides are included. If the main driving force and the purpose is to preserve the meeting, missing the most important one - the care of the individual soul. Instead, they align themselves to save what is left of the assembly. But what does being in a "clean" assembly in the absence of any real spiritual guidance there? Tax collectors and sinners will hardly find their spiritual home in such meetings. But Jesus is the welcome!
He hjärta relay the luminaire, Garnerville he himself took pity. No one, no one can OMMA for you as he.
Therefore, the care of the individual soul come first. The aim should be that "his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus Christ." As we see from Jesus' teaching in Matthew 18 - that underlie what Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 5 - the decision on expulsion must not be taken with ease by a few people. There is a case concerning the meeting.
But before it gets that far, it should have fallen repeatedly to repent and be forgiven of their sin. First, the person who has learned to sin, contact and try to win them. Note the wording: "If he listens to you, you have gained your brother" (v 15). This applies all the time trying to win his brother! Not to trap or exclude. No, he must be won back to the Savior in confession and forgiveness. Assembly's task is to gather the people to Jesus, and that means no toil saved. Hear he is not on one person, one should bring one or two more. But not enough of it. Does he hear not them, this should be a matter that will be a need for the meeting. Is it so bad that he will not hear the assembly also, there remains no other choice than to exclude him from the meeting. But it should take place now - after repeated attempts to win him back to the Savior. The case must not halt in some kind of imaginary kindness, so that one fails to take action against the unrepentant.
That the old leaven soon to permeate the entire assembly. As an example we can think of a couple cohabiting children. If the in spite of repeated calls, in accordance with Matthew 18, however, continues to defend and live their lives in sin, and are not excluded from the meeting, will their example to send a number of harmful signals both within and outside the Assembly.
Outside the meeting sees the world's children that Christians are no longer taking it so carefully to God's word. The salt has lost its taste. Within the meeting, those terms, easily settle down and believe that they still belong to the kingdom of God, even if they are living in blatant sin. Others who might be tempted to the same sin, perceive it so it does not matter. Can they, so we can ...
Another in the audience may have a different propensity to sin. But if cohabiting are not subject to assembly instruction, can not shut him meeting nor there. Thus, the one who defends his sin with reference to the example of others. Leaven spreads! And an increasing number of ports on the broad road that leads to hell. Therefore forsamlingstukten so important - and so blessed. Just applied it can save a lot of destruction.
But it is not too hard to exclude a person from the audience?
It may seem so. But it is much harder - and can not be compared - to let a living in blatant sin and defends it to continue in the assembly and then one day be banned from heaven. It gets much, much worse. It is much better to be excluded from the meeting on the ground and really be faced with the choice of sin or God's friendship, and hopefully choose the latter - and be blessed.
Assembly Discipline seems vitalizing
Where not this mutual care of souls exist, where both brotherly admonition and assembly instruction is terminated, where all sorts of sins occur without being prosecuted. Therefore, it seems forsamlingstukten with the mutual exhortation provoking the meeting. Think to yourself that you have learned that a brother in the congregation live in a sin that he neither regrets nor will forego. Where is now your responsibility to speak with him "under four eyes". If you are in any way responsible and realize the seriousness of this exercise, you are going primarily to rummage yourself in prayer understand word if you are capable of this. They may be one undivided sin which you have long tried to suppress, is as blistering that you know you have to get speech with the Savior about it before you can go and admonish your brother. The beam has to go! And then ask the Savior for mercy and forgiveness, and to let go of it - and certainly he hears you!
Now it need by no means be the case that you have an unresolved sin on your conscience. But it is in any case a special occasion for self-examination acknowledge the mercy seat, and it is very useful for every one. You've been in counseling with the Lord, and can confidently with His help get admonish your brother. Think so big! You have even been drawn closer to the Savior and have been able to see even more clearly how important it is that sin not unto leaven will ferment up. And you've probably also got a dose of humility when faced with the task that the Lord has got to show you something of your own sin and weakness. Then you are unlikely to meet the wrong end of Pharisaic cold, but instead either heat or burn him with Christ's love fire. It depends on how it is received.
If it so happens that your brother does not listen to you, for Jesus' teaching to bring you a couple more. Then these two go through the same soul-searching before they can follow you - and so is the Lord's work on the heart and assembly. It is to "keep the feast ... with purity and truth unleavened bread." "Exhort one another daily, while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" (Hebrews 3:13). "For our passover is sacrificed for Christ" (1 Cor 5.7).
Since everything's overall aim is to salvage the one caught in sin nets must never ban regarded as the ultimate objective. It is just a means to endeavor to get brother / sister to be resumed in full communion with the Lord and with the meeting. It is very important that the person subject to the assembly instruction, will keep this in mind.
The intention is certainly not to "get rid of" the person, but to save him from eternal damnation. In closing, we take a word from 2 Corinthians 2:6-8, TLB, which teaches us how to repent and mourn over their sin, shall be met: "For him it comes, it is enough with the punishment he received from the Most. Now you instead rather forgive and comfort him, lest he should perish in even greater sorrow. Therefore, I urge you: Be agreed to show him love. "
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