lørdag 20. august 2022

No. 1591: Missionary Terje Liverød asks if I who come with "harsh words" have met God's grace?

No. 1591:
Missionary Terje Liverød asks if I who come with "harsh words" have met God's grace?


https://blog.janchristensen.net/2022/06/nr-3026-guds-ord-omtaler-at-forkynnere.html

https://blog.janchristensen.net/2022/06/nr-3027-skjnner-ingen-i-guds-menighet.html

Missionary and preacher Terje Liverød has both divorced and remarried.
According to New Testament teaching and ordinances, he breaks Jesus' commandment 100% as remarriage for believers for any reason is not permitted.
The only thing that dissolves a marriage is death!
That is the only reason for remarriage for Christians, nothing else!

To me it is absolutely incredible that other believers who support remarriage do not understand and see the consequences of this?
It is completely incomprehensible to me!
Then essentially all evil forces escape within the Christian New Testament congregation!

There is great irresponsibility which, among other things, former Superintendent in Filadelfia Oslo, David Østby is working with.
Who surrounds himself with divorced and remarried preachers time after time, think about what that says about Østby.
Then it is free for anyone and everyone to live as they wish and want, there is always "grace" to be had.
That is not what the scriptures say, which says that repentance is needed.
Grace and repentance are two sides of the same coin, like the hub and the wheel belong together on a bicycle.
Picture of former head of Norway's largest free congregation, Filadelfia Oslo, David Østby, who is helping to open up these carnal and demonic forces in God's church.
Sad, and this will cause darkness to spread more and more into the surrounding congregations.



Here is the email exchange between me and Terje Liverød.
Where I abbreviate Terje Liverød to TL, and me to JKC.

TL: Hi Jan

I understand you are a brother who wants to serve the Lord. Think you're a good man. Like you, I have always had a longing for purity and holiness. I see marriage as sacred.

It is hard to understand how you think it is serving the Lord to hang out other people's tragedies. My divorce is the biggest tragedy that has happened to me. I cried to God and cried for years. You probably don't know what happened. I am fully aware that things in my life fell apart. But I know that God's grace embraces even me.

I feel no desire to share details with you because it seems like you are spreading harsh words about matters you know nothing about. It's probably not wisdom.

I still have to admit that it would have been nice if many people in Norway were as eager as you, only with more mercy for other people's pain.
 
God bless you my brother

Terje Liverød

JKC: Hi Terje!

Certainly much truth in what you write, but what is your view of what the scriptures teach?

Do you think that you have an extra chance that no one else in NT has to start a new relationship after divorce?

The entire NT gives an unequivocal teaching that remarriage for believers after divorce is indeed a sin.

If you think otherwise, it is fine if you come up with what God's word says.
I am not fully educated by any means.

Don't attack me as a person like you are doing here, I don't care about that.
Only I am interested in what God's word says.

You mean I come with harsh words?

It will be at your expense, I am only trying to hold forth the word of God, nothing else!

You are a role model, I'm just pointing out that the way you live and learn has a great influence on others.

Jan Kåre

TL: Hey bro

If you are really interested, we can meet and talk about what the whole of the Bible says.

Evangelical believers in Norway are very one-sided. But out in the world it looks very different.

I can also link you to websites that have clear teaching about this.

I don't have any special "permission" I follow God's Word with all my heart.

Be blessed

Terje

JKC: To Terje..

You write the following:
Evangelical believers in Norway are very one-sided. But out in the world it looks very different.

Do you think that those "out there" in the world see differently from us here in Norway that almost everything is permitted?

You also write:
I can also link you to websites that have clear teaching about this.

Are interested in your view of the Bible, not someone else's.

Be blessed too!

Etc
Jan Kåre

TL: In order to look at this thoroughly, we will probably have to meet. Or, as I said, I can refer you to very thorough teaching.

My view of the Bible is that I take the Word literally. When I see verses that seem to say different things, I always interpret in the light of the whole.

Just think about one thing: what was the point of divorce papers? The whole point was to show that the person who had received it was legally free to remarry. Where else would one need it.

God bless you brother. I believe the Lord wills you if you really want to find out. I pray many blessings upon you.

Terje

JKC: Thank you Terje

Divorce letter belongs to GT.
This is not found in the NT.
The teaching of the NT is clear, that remarriage is exclusively for believers.
There are many scriptures here, but I will settle for a few.


Luke 16:18 Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery her husband, he commits adultery.

1 Cor. 7. 10 I command the married, not I, but the Lord, that a wife should not divorce her husband; 11 but if she is divorced from him, then she remains unmarried or reconciles with her husband - and that a man should not divorce his wife.
Proverbs 6:29 So it will be with him who goes in to his neighbor's wife; no one goes unpunished who touches her.
Proverbs 5:20 Why then, my son, should you be drunk with lust for another man's wife and embrace the bosom of a strange woman?

Room. 7. 2 The married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives; but if the husband dies, she is released from the law that bound her to the husband. 3 Therefore she shall be called an adulteress if, while the husband is alive, she marries another man; but if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she does not become an adulteress if she marries another man.

What Kleiveland writes:

I believe that ONLY if marriage is seen as a lifelong covenant broken only through the death of one, the divorce rate among Christians will decrease. Otherwise, carnal Christians will ALWAYS find a crowbar to live out their carnal lusts. I read online about Geir and Linn Byberg, who believe that Christians are in danger of having the same degree of cohabitation, divorce and adultery among active church members as in the rest of society. They challenge Christian congregations to counteract this development through open and honest communities. There is respect for the couple's experience. They have held family education in congregations over the past ten years, and they were former leaders of Familiefokus i Ungdom i Oppadrag. In the interview, they highlight important principles for getting families on the "right track", by creating a climate that makes people speak the truth about life, create greater awareness of the topic, have close-knit groups and greater honesty/openness. This is good, but it is equally something I am calling for in connection with the marriage position in congregations in Norway.

PROACTIVE

I believe that if ALL Norwegian congregations do not get a wake-up call in relation to the view on the indissolubility of marriage, then this development will only continue and continue. If congregations from all over the country do not open their eyes to the Bible's command that a married couple who have not been married before get married, then they are bound to each other as long as they are both alive (Rom.7.1-3), even if they get divorced, there will be no change at all. If a person is completely convinced that if the marriage is dissolved, then only one choice applies; either to live the rest of their lives as unmarried, or to reconcile with their spouse, the number of divorces will drop sharply. How many married people find it more comfortable to live in "a room and a kitchen" with possibly shared children every two weeks or once every 14 days, than to try to find a way to live together with their spouse for a few more years? I think the number is low. Teaching congregations all over this country that God's word HAS NOT CHANGED on this point, I believe, is the ONLY way to bring about the changes in Norwegian Christian congregations, and thus also in every individual Christian.

CARNAL CHRISTIANITY

Many Christians still live by half the verse in Rom.81, and do not even know that there is more. They believe that the Bible says there is no condemnation for Christians, but they couldn't be further from the truth. See the difference in the translations from Rome. 8:1: "So then there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." This is stated in the 1988 translation, the 1930 translation and a number of modern translations. But look at what Luther's translation of 1545, the King James translation, Young's Literal Translation and a number of other Bible translations say: "Therefore there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,* those who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Some manuscripts have omitted the second part of the verse, but this was included in Norwegian Bibles until the early 20th century. The Bible Society follows a textual tradition that does not include these words in verse 1, where the reading in the United Bible Societies' third edition and Nestle-aaland's 25th - 27th edition do not include these words. Bibelforlaget's translation of 1997 includes them. But the same words return in Rom. 8:5, and the meaning is therefore not to be misunderstood: Christians who live a life of carnal lusts are condemned.

THE WORKS OF THE FLESH - THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT

The Bible says that the flesh and the Spirit are opposed to each other. And it is only through walking in the Spirit that one will not fulfill the lust of the flesh (doing carnal deeds). Here it is easy to see which deeds can be described as carnal, in relation to a married life. (Emphasis mine.) Gal 5,19-23 The works of the flesh are obvious. They are: adultery, adultery, impurity, shameless fornication, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousy, anger, self-assertion, divisions, parties, envy, murder, drunkenness, indecent feasting, and other such deeds. Of these deeds I now tell you in advance, as I also told ten l you formerly, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-discipline. The law is not against such. (Bibelforlaget, 1997)

CONCLUSION:

A person who looks for opportunities to live his life according to God's commands will show fruit that is good and in line with the description of the fruit of the Spirit. The last word there is EGKRATEIA, which simply means "to remain sexually empty". In other words: Do not have sex with anyone other than the person you are committed to for life (first time for both parties). Others who do not live according to this may be in Christ Jesus, but there is condemnation for them, since they live according to the works of the flesh. And for them there is condemnation.

Etc
Jan Kåre

TL: I studied this very thoroughly over a long period of time.

If you read the basic text (and King James) you will see that Jesus says; A husband should not send his wife away if it is impossible to continue, but give them a divorce certificate. It is only through whoredom that one can send them away.

But this is too extensive to include in messages. We can meet or I can send you proper resources.

You don't follow the heart of Jesus by being hard on those who have already had it horribly, they haven't always sinned either.

Be blessed brother.

Terje

JKC: You about it Terje that you think various things about me, the scripture is clear on this point for us believers.

After a break-up, there are two possibilities according to NT teaching.

Either live alone or reconcile.

Jesus' teaching and Paul's are in agreement here.

Then it is up to us to bow to God's word and experience the blessing and pain of bowing to God's word, or let the flesh win and have a short-term pleasure from sin,

The choice is the individual's!

Concludes with Paul's clear teaching;


1 Cor. 7. 10 To a spouse I command by the Lord: A woman shall not leave her husband.
11 But if she leaves him, she must either live in abstinence or be reunited with her husband. And a man shall not leave his wife.

Etc
Jan Kåre

TL: Why did Jesus refer to letters of divorce if it belongs to the OT.
One of the issues that generally did not change from the OT to the NT was moral standards.

It is not God's heart to punish a person for what another has done to them. It very clearly goes against Jesus' whole attitude of grace.

Do you really think God will punish someone who managed to get out of an abusive marriage but forgive a murderer and give him a second chance?

Have you encountered God's grace?

JKC: Terje, views and opinions belong to us humans.
God's word and God's commandments, for me, are the only things I want to have a 100% relationship with.

I understand that you feel the way you do, but that does not change what the scriptures say.
The scriptures are so clear to me that remarriage after divorce is adultery.

https://blog.janchristensen.net/2014/11/nr-927-vre-en-ordets-forkynner-er.html

We just have to agree to disagree.
Have a Blessed Day!

Etc
Jan Kåre

TL: Yes, we have to agree on that.

Let us go wholeheartedly to serve God and stick to the Word.

Do you want to see more on the subject. Is there solid Bible teaching based on the entire Bible, OT and NT, at divorcehope.com.

God bless you brother.

Terje

JKC: God Bless you too Terje!

John K

Final comment:

Here is the exchange between us. Can't see that I'm bringing any condemnation, Terje Liverød does that time and time again.
Anyway, the way I see it.
Open up to remarried preachers, is how we see it today.
It is like letting the enemy into the congregation.
Scripture says that a little sin permeates the whole church.
Just like a little yeast, permeates the whole bread/dough!
My point is this: A little leaven permeates the whole dough!
If you let go of something in God's word, and leave this, it opens up for far more. Soon the whole church is permeated with false teaching/carnal life, and it is no longer a church in the New Testament sense.
But an institution that teaches something other than what God's word says.

1 Cor. 5. 1 In all I hear that there is sexual immorality among you, and a form of sexual immorality that is not even mentioned among the nations: One has his father's wife!
2 And you are inflated! Should you not rather mourn him who does such a deed and turn him away from you?
3 For if I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit. And I have already, as if I were present, judged him who does this.
4 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together in my spirit and with the power of the Lord Jesus Christ:
5 Then surrender the one concerned to Satan and the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your self-praise is not good! Because don't you know that a little leaven permeates the whole dough?
7 Clean out the old leaven and become a new and unleavened dough just as Christ was when he was slain as the Passover lamb for us.
8 Let us therefore keep the feast without old leaven or with the leaven of malice and malice, but with unleavened bread that is of purity and truth.

The Preacher 10. 1. Poisonous flies may say the ointment of the leven lager to smell bad and leaven; even a little great folly destroys a man who excels in wisdom or honor.
2 The head of the wise is turned to the right, but the head of the fool to the left.
3 And wherever a fool goes, his sense fails him, and he lets everyone know that he is a fool.

PS!
Even though I thought that Terje Liverød made strong accusations against me (something that unfortunately almost always those who have remarried do, here for example http://jan-hanvolds-blogg-usminket.janchristensen.net/.)

Then I tried to be able to point out what the scriptures and above all what the New Testaments teach.
Read for yourself, and you will probably learn a lot!

søndag 26. juni 2022

No. 1590: Suffering is never the goal - but for God to "educate" us, and get his way both with us, and show "the world" and the environment who he is and what he can do!

No. 1590:

Suffering is never the goal - but for God to "educate" us, and get his way both with us, and show "the world" and the environment who he is and what he can do!


https://blog.janchristensen.net/2021/07/nr-2869-hvordan-leve-et-seirende-liv.html



https://blog.janchristensen.net/2021/07/nr-2870-hvordan-leve-et-seirende-liv.html



https://blog.janchristensen.net/2021/08/nr-2871-hvordan-leve-et-seirende-liv.html



https://blog.janchristensen.net/2017/05/nr-1927-ved-ydmyke-seg-selv-be-om.html



It was in the prison and the humiliations that Joseph's character and strength were formed and emerged.
Without suffering and humiliation, we will never be able to cope with and endure the good times that we can and will be a blessing, help and strength to others.
2 Cor. 1 3 Blessed be God, who is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ; he who is also the Father of mercy and the God of all comfort.
4 He comforts us in all our afflictions, so that we may comfort all who are in affliction with the same comfort with which we have been comforted by God.
5 For as the sufferings of Christ abounded, so our consolation also in Christ abounds.
6 If you are in trouble, it is for your comfort and salvation. It works for endurance in one's own ailments; the same as we too must suffer. And when we are comforted, it is for our own comfort and salvation.
7 Our hope for you is firm, for we know that as you share in our sufferings, so you will share in our comfort.



 

One of the finest examples and not the finest example of who God is besides Jesus. It must be Joseph we find in the Old Testament!

We do not really know what lives in us until we face challenges, adversity and trials!

Word. 24. 10 If you are discouraged in the day of trouble, your strength is weak.

If we go into the story of Joseph, it started very well. Dad's "boy", but God's revelations and dreams.
Everything looked promising, but there were some snags to it all!
His brothers disliked both that Jacob, his Father put him before all others.
As well, he had dreams that no one else even had in his imagination.
This was really the boy without worries, it was all open to him!
In many ways, one could say that Joseph was the boy with the "golden trousers."
Or the boy with the cloak from Dad, who said he was above everyone!

Genesis 37. And Jacob dwelt in the land where his father had sojourned, in the land of Canaan. 2 This is the story of the seed of Jacob. When Joseph was seventeen years old, he tended the flock with his brothers; young as he was, he accompanied the sons of Bilhah and Zilpah, his father's wives; all the evil that was said of them he went to their father with. 3 But Israel loved Joseph more than all his sons, because he was the son of his old age; and he had a silk coat made for him. 4 And when his brethren saw that their father loved him more than all his brethren, they hated him, and could not speak kindly unto him. 5 Joseph once had a dream, which he told his brothers; then they hated him even more. 6 And he said unto them, Hear now that I have dreamed. 8 And his brethren said unto him, Shall thou perhaps be our king, and rule over us? Since then, they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words. 9 And he had yet another dream, and told it to his brethren; he said: I had another dream, and behold, the sun and the moon and eleven stars bowed to me. 10 And when he had told it unto his father, and to his brethren, his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and your mother and your brothers come and bow down to the ground before you? 11 And his brethren envied him; but his father hid it in his memory.

In order not to go into all the details with Josef, most people probably know his story.
For those who do not know it, it is only to read about him first and foremost here Genesis, and he is also mentioned in many other places.
If not so detailed, then Joseph is one of the most prominent figures in the Bible.

As I said, we meet Joseph as the one who is most "loved" by his Father Jacob

Joseph is the firstborn of Jacob's favorite wife, Rachel.
It was her he wanted, but he also got Lea, and two concubines.
Bilhah and Zilpah were his concubines, but Rachel was his favorite wife with whom he had Joseph and Benjamin.
Twelve sons and one daughter were mentioned in the scriptures.

From this family and these family relationships came Joseph, this was a small family. But from the twelve sons of Jacob comes the carnal Israel.

Joseph is one of Jacob's 12 sons, and the great-grandson of Abraham.
Because Joseph is favored by his father, the brothers become jealous.
They sell him as a slave to Egypt, and tell his father that he was killed by wild beasts.

Then Joseph is sold as a slave
In Egypt, Joseph first came to the house of Potiphar, one of Pharaoh's men. After an argument with Potiphar's wife, in which Joseph was wrongfully accused of trying to sleep with her, he was put in prison.

 

Genesis 39. 6 And he left all that he had in the hands of Joseph: and he looked not unto him for anything, save that he did eat. And Joseph was beautiful in nature and beautiful to look at. 7 And it came to pass after some time, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph, and said, Come and lie with me. 8 But he would not, and said to his lord's wife, My lord hath not looked upon me in all his house, and all that he hath he hath put into my hands; 9 he has no more to say in this house than I, and he has not denied me anything without you, because you are his wife. How then shall I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? 10 And as she spake unto Joseph day after day, and he brought her not to lie with her, and to be with her. was inside. 12 And she took hold of his robe, and said, Lie with me. But he left his cloak behind in her hand and fled out of the house. 13 And when she saw that he had left his garment in her hand, and had fled out of the house, 14 she cried unto her household, and said unto them, Behold, he hath brought a Hebrew man unto us, to bring shame. above us; he came in to me to lie with me, but I cried as loud as I could, 15 and when he heard that I kept shouting, he left his cloak with me and fled out of the house. 16 And she left his garment with her, until his lord came home. 17 And she spake unto him likewise, saying, The Hebrew servant, whom thou hast brought hither to us, came in unto me, to bring me to shame; 18 But when I began to cry, he left his cloak with me and fled out of the house.

 

Joseph has here received the ultimate humiliation - being imprisoned for false accusations for 11 years!

 

It is strange to think of, Norway's "eldest son," Hans Nielsen Hauge also spent a total of 11 years in prison.

For something he had done that was bad in the eyes of the sheriff and the priests.

There was a break in the convent poster. Of course, this was not a crime or an offense.

This was obviously a persecution of the Evil One through the authorities.

https://blog.janchristensen.net/2019/03/nr-2432-hans-nielsen-hauge-satt-11-ar.html

 

https://blog.janchristensen.net/2017/05/nr-1956-hans-nielsen-hauge-fikk-de.html

 

 

Joseph's years in prison - it both shaped and tested him

 

Genesis 39. 19 And when his master heard what his wife had said, how did she say, Thus did thy servant against me, when his anger was kindled. 20 And Joseph's master took him, and put him in the prison, where the king's prisoners were kept. and he was sitting there in prison. 21 But the Lord was with Joseph, and made him win the hearts of all, and gave him favor with the overseer of the prison. 22 And the overseer of the prison set Joseph to look after all the prisoners who were in the prison; and all that was to be done there, he did. 23 The keeper of the prison did not look for anything he had in his hand, because the Lord was with him; and what he did, the Lord blessed.

 

Joseph also succeeds in prison, and was obviously well-liked. So it is with all men and women of God, they are industrious, trustworthy, and well-liked.

 

We read that Joseph faced a great challenge, where he again had the opportunity with God's help to interpret dreams.

 

Genesis 40. Some time later, the mouthpiece and baker of the king of Egypt rebelled against their master, the king of Egypt. 2 And Pharaoh was wroth with his two officers, the chief butler and the chief baker, 3 and put them in charge of the captain of the guard, in the prison where Joseph was imprisoned. 4 And the captain of the guard charged Joseph with them, and he delivered them; and they spent some time in prison. 5 Once upon a time, they both dreamed their dream in the same night and each dream with its own meaning - the mouthpiece and the baker of the king of Egypt, those who were imprisoned. 6 When Joseph came to them in the morning, he saw that they were repulsed. 7 Then he asked Pharaoh's courtiers, who were imprisoned with him in his master's: Why do you look so sad today? 8 They answered, We have dreamed, and there is no one who can interpret it. And Joseph said unto them, Interpreting dreams, is it not the business of God? Tell me what you dreamed! 9 And the chief butler told Joseph his dream, and said unto him, I saw in a dream a winter which was before me; 10 And upon the vine were three branches, and buds, and blossoms; and the clusters ripened into grapes. 11 And I took Pharaoh's cup in my hand, and I took the grapes, and spread them in Pharaoh's cup, and I gave unto Pharaoh the cup. 12 And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation thereof: The three branches are three days. 13 In three days Pharaoh will exalt you and put you in your office again, and you will reach Pharaoh's cup, as you did before when you were his mouthpiece. 14 But remember me, when it is well with you, and show me mercy, that you may speak of me to Pharaoh, and help me out of this house. 15 For they have stolen me from the land of the Hebrews, and here also I have done nothing that they could put me in jail for. 16 When the chief baker saw that Joseph had given such a good interpretation, he said to him: I also had a dream, and I thought I saw three baskets of wheat bread on my head. 17 And in the uppermost basket there were cakes of all kinds, such as Pharaoh used to eat, and the birds ate from the basket on my head. 18 And Joseph answered and said, This is the interpretation of it: The three baskets are three days. 19 In three days Pharaoh will exalt you, cut off your head and hang you on a tree, and the birds will eat your flesh. 20 On the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, he made a feast to all his servants; and he exalted the chief butler and the chief baker among his servants. 21 And he put the crown of his mouth upon his head again, and put the cup in Pharaoh's; 22 And he hanged the chief baker, as Joseph had interpreted to them. 23 But the chief cupbearer did not remember Joseph, he forgot him.

 

What we read about Joseph is reminiscent of the prophet Daniel

 

Daniel 2. 3 And the king said unto them, I have had a dream, and my mind is troubled; I long to know the dream. 4 Then the Chaldeans spoke to the king in Aramaic, 'The king lives forever!' Tell your servants the dream! Then we will announce to you its interpretation. 5 And the king said unto the Chaldeans, This is my saying, If ye will not make known unto me the dream, and the interpretation thereof, ye shall be broken in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill. 6 But if you make known to me the dream and its interpretation, you will receive rich gifts and great honor from me. Therefore, tell me the dream and its interpretation! 7 And they answered the second time, Will not the king tell his servants the dream? Then we have to say what it means. 8 The king answered, "I know for a fact that you will only gain time, because you see that the word I said is true. 9 If you do not tell me the dream, then the judgment on you is unchangeable. But you have agreed to tell me a shameful lie, in the hope that times will change, therefore, tell me the dream, so that I may know that you can also tell me its interpretation! 10 And the Chaldeans answered the king, There is not a man upon the earth that can shew the king what he will; for no king, however great and mighty he was, has ever demanded such a thing from any signer or spirit-man or chaldean. 11 For what the king demands is far too difficult, and there is no one who can tell the king what he wants to know but the gods, who have no abode among men. 12 And the king was wroth, and very wroth, and commanded that all the wise men of Babylon should be put to death. 13 When this order was given, and they were about to kill the wise men, they also searched for Daniel and his brothers to kill them. 14 And Daniel spake wise and prudent words unto Arioch the captain of the king's bodyguard, which went forth to slay the wise men of Babylon. 15 And he answered and said to Arioch the king's captain, Why hath the king given this commandment? Then Arjok told Daniel how it was. 16 And Daniel went in, and desired of the king that he would give him time, and that he would shew the king the interpretation. 17 And Daniel went home, and told Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his brethren, that which was done. The other sages of Babel. 19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision; and Daniel praised the God of heaven. 20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever. For wisdom and strength belong unto him: 21 And he changeth the times and the seasons, removes kings, and setteth kings; he gives the wise wisdom and the wise understanding; 22 he reveals the deep and hidden; he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him. 23 I thank thee, and praise the God of my fathers, because thou hast given me wisdom and strength, and hast now made known unto me what we asked of thee; for what the king wanted to know you have announced to us.

 

Daniel and his friends Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah were in dire straits!

 

Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had a dream that made him very troubled. He would not tell the dream. But his interpreter, spirit man, or others at court had to tell the King both the dream and its interpretation. If they did, the rewards would be great.

If they could not tell both the dream and the interpretation, then they all had to pay with their lives!

Daniel and his friends were also among the sages of Babylon. Therefore, both the opportunity to be able to come up with an answer to the King applied.

If not, then death also awaited Daniel and Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah.

So what did Daniel and his friends do? Scripture says the following:

"Pray to the God of heaven that he in his mercy will reveal this secret."

God did, and Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon was very pleased.

 

This was probably also what Joseph did, he prayed to God. What God revealed and had revealed to him, he took care of and this was guiding for him. Not the circumstance e, but God, his word and indictment.

 

Psalm 1. Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of scorners:

 

Psalm 27. 8 My heart is set before you [your word]: seek my face! Lord, I seek your face.

 

Psalm 119. 148 With my eyes open I go into every night watch to ponder your word.

 

Daniel and Joseph lived in silence and in prayer before God, and this preserved, led and made them win victory in their lives and in their service. Seeking in God separated from the world and other people, is the only sure and passable to sure victory, leadership and certainty. We all need this, otherwise we will lose the battle too!

 

We are talking about great services and great gifts etc.

 

The truth is that we all have an "anonymous" service, it is in silence and when no one sees us. How are we then? We have so much or little service. This shows both with Joseph, Daniel and all the men and women of the Bible.

 

What did Joseph think of the 11 years in prison that kept him going?

 

Personally, I think it was his revelations and he simply "enjoyed" God alone, not just in the public eye with God.

 

We read of the Apostle Paul who mentions the same thing, that by revelation his life was changed and transformed.

 

Ap.gj. 26. 19 Wherefore, O king Agrippa, I have not obeyed the heavenly vision.

 

Joseph had dreams, Daniel's revelation and Paul's vision, none of them were disobedient to the revelation they had received from and by God.

 

But I also believe that Joseph in prison was walking with God as Enoch, as he loved God above all on this earth.

 

Genesis 5. 22 And Enoch walked with God three hundred years after he became the father of Methuselah; and he had sons and daughters. 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; then he disappeared, for God took him.

 

There is no doubt that a daily walk with God is really "greater" than all the visions and revelations we can get

 

Joseph was a man who cared for God as Enoch. Therefore, when he stood before Pharaoh, he was a man without bitterness and resentment.

When he also stood before his brothers, it was the same.

He was full of love and Blessed his brothers and family.

 

Genesis 50. 14 And it came to pass, when Joseph had buried his father, that he returned into Egypt, he, and his brethren, and all that went up with him to bury his father. 15 And when Joseph's brethren saw that their father was dead, they said, Joseph alone will not hate us, neither will he requite us all the evil that we did unto him. 16 And they sent messengers to Joseph, saying, Your father gave us this commandment before his death. So now forgive us, who also serve the God of your father, our iniquity! And Joseph wept when they spoke thus to him. 18 And his brethren also came and worshiped him, saying, Behold, we are thy servants. 19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not; am I in the place of God? 20 You have thought evil against me; but God thought it good to do what he has now done, and to keep many people alive. 21 So do not be afraid, for I will provide for you and your children. And he comforted them and spoke kindly to them. 22 And Joseph dwelt in Egypt, both he and his father's house; and Joseph was an hundred and ten years old.

 

Notice that Joseph saw God's finger and guidance, not suffering and humiliation

 

Joseph says the following "God thought it good!"

The fact that God is in control is the whole difference!

If we do not see this, then we go quickly uphill.

If we see God's finger, guidance and direction, it's victory!

Joseph's life and ministry were in stark contrast, but Joseph walked and lived with God.

To others, things might look different, but not to Joseph.

He saw that God had the overview, full control and there was a Divine purpose for everything that happened in His life. He did not see this the first day, but it matured and became apparent to him as life with God progressed.

 

Psalm 139. 5 You surround me from the front and the front, and you lay your hand on me. 6 To understand this is too strange to me, it is too high, I can not. 7 Where shall I go from your Spirit, and where shall I flee from your presence? 8 If I ascend to heaven, you are there, and I will prepare my bed in the realm of the dead, behold, you are there. 9 I will take the wings of the dawn, and I will dwell in the uttermost part of the sea. 10 Your hand also leads me, and your right hand holds me fast. 11 And I say, The darkness covereth me, and the light around me becomes night - 12 neither doth the darkness make it dark for thee, and the night shineth like the day; the darkness is as the light.

 

Closing comment:

 

In many ways, our lives and ministry are tried through the "lonely" moments.

Scripture says the following:

 

Col. 3. 1 If so, you will be resurrected with Christ, then seek the heights where Christ sits at the right hand of God.

2 Let your thoughts be on the things which are on the high places, and not on the things which are on the earth.

3 For after you have died d, their lives are hidden in Christ with God.

4 When Christ is revealed, who is your life, then you also will be revealed with him in his glory.

 

We are dead, and our lives are hidden in Christ. It's not us, but he.

We will slow down, and he will grow. Our lives are in many ways like a tree where it is the root that is bare that carries the water into the tree. What cannot be seen is really the most important thing, the root.

Joseph's life and work speak of Jesus more strongly than any other example in Scripture.

He had a "perfect" life in harmony with God's will and God's word.

 

Some events in Joseph's life

https://amazingbibletimeline.com/blog/q27_joseph_how_long_in_prison/

 

He was 17 years old when he was sold to Egypt.

He was 30 years old when he was made second to Pharaoh, as ruler and ruler over all the land of Egypt.

He was 39 years old when his brothers first came to Egypt (second year of the famine, or nine years after he was made overseer).

He was probably 41 years or so when the brothers came for the second time and Jacob comes to Egypt.

He was 110 years old when he died. And his remnant were brought to Israel, when they came out of Egypt. He is buried in Israel.

 

Genesis 50. 22 And Joseph dwelt in Egypt, both he and his father's house; and Joseph was an hundred and ten years old. 23 And Joseph saw the children of Ephraim in the third part; and the children of Machir the son of Manasseh were born on Joseph's knees. / 24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die; but God will surely see you, and bring you up out of this land unto the land which he sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. 25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence. 26 And Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old; and they embalmed him, and laid him in a coffin in Egypt.

 

Exodus 13:19: “Moses took Joseph's bones with him; for Joseph made the children of Israel swear, saying, God will visit you, and you will carry my bones with you from here. "

 

Joshua 24:32: “The bones of Joseph, which the children of Israel had brought back from Egypt, were buried in Shechem, in the portion of the field which Jacob had bought from the sons of Hamor, Shechem's father, for a hundred kesitahs, which belonged to Joseph's inheritance. sons. "

 

https://en.frwiki.wiki/wiki/Tombeau_de_Joseph

 

https://miff.no/josefs-grav/