lørdag 1. oktober 2011

Nr. 69: Where Tartarus?

Nr. 69:

Where Tartarus?

By Leif Olof Liljeström fra the Swedish Bible Temple

With this picture, we understand, among much else, why the Bible equate the sea and the abyss. With a centric world view becomes unintelligible, but here the picture perfectly understandable and logical. (Job 26:5. Compare also 5 Mos. 30:11-14 with Rom. 10:6-8, and Revelation. 11:7 with Up. 13:1 and up. 17:8.)
ag has been on the past few times, in various articles, but feel that I want to take it again.

When we modern people read in the Bible about hell and the abyss below it, so we imagine that these are inside the globe. The Bible says, that people's spirits were "down" to Sheol, and the angelic spirits out into the abyss / Tartarus. For those of us with our picture of how the world looks like, so must surely therefore biblical authors, and the Spirit of God, have meant "down" in the Earth's interior then. Or?

But just think - had the world view when they wrote and said this? No, they saw a different picture in front of him. They believed that the earth was a flat disc, which rested on the water and in water, and this disc, which imagined themselves first to the grave was, and then, far below the disc and the dead, down in an infinitely deep, they thought the abyss , where the angels were imprisoned.

So where is the abyss, then? The answer must be that the abyss is space. The Greeks had a proverb which said that as far as heaven is above earth, as far is the abyss beneath the earth. This makes them both so to speak, in parallelism.

So what does this mean for us today, with our modern world? Is hell in the earth or beneath it, ie, out in space somewhere?

From what I understand and have the Spirit testimony, it is people's realm of death in the earth, in its interior (with the ancient concept of the cavities in the lower part of the "land record" (IAF entrance there) *. But the chasm, Tartarus, the bottomless hole, there is space.

* There is a bit more complicated than that, but I'll wait with that realization until God gives me the green light to drive it.

This has some implications for how we look at some things in the Bible. For example, when it stands up. 9 that the bottomless pit opened, and out poured the strange creatures in Apollyon's management.

Where is "down" in space? This is where gravity is strongest, ie, toward large objects that giant stars or black holes, as in the center of galaxies. In our galaxy the Milky Way's center is believed to be a super black hole. Thus, "down" from our side of view toward the center of the Milky Way.
M MAN sees it this way, it becomes very well in the Bible and in extra-biblical ancient mythology much more intelligible, than with the spherical modern worldview. And as I said, we should probably try to think that biblical authors thought, if we really want to understand what they said and meant.

Not only ancient mythology becomes intelligible, by the way, but also the present, in the perspective of the Bible, if we have two approaches are ready for us and can see how they correlate to each other. What do I mean? Well, there's suddenly a host of biblical explanation of what space is for something, something we had not been for the other view. For the space becomes completely incomprehensible to Christians. And that is why they never talk about it, other than in a most ridiculous way, ie as if God would just create it as a meaningless glitter in the sky, an insignificant backdrop, etc.

With the old approach applied, then the sky really the sky, as I pointed out so many times before. Bible heavens is simply space.

And the abyss is then also a part of the sky, ie the part that Paul calls the heavenly places.

With this approach, we can understand how Peter and Judas could say that the rebellious angels were imprisoned in the Abyss, and how Enoch, which is Judas himself cites, could say they were imprisoned in heaven (Enoch chap. 18 & 21). We understand now what Jesus means when he says that some will be thrown into the darkness (Matt. 8:12, 22:13, 25:30), as well as Jude mean when he speaks of wandering stars for whom the black darkness is stored (Jude 1:13, see & 2 Pet. 2:17) - that he means what he says and not just talking religious poetry. Abyss, prison / jail for angels and possibly some people in a subsequent decision, the space, the black darkness, the bottomless hole. Is someone there, and do not have access to a habitable planet, so probably it is a prison. Trapped / stored, in space. (Imagine the Hebrew cosmology above again.)

But the eternal fire, then? Yes, it is a later part of it all. But again, even where we can, and I have also written about before, to see objects in space that is truly eternal lake of fire, which also is mentioned in the Book of Enoch.

And as I write this, I think you begin to discover that this is not just me who disagree with the Bible passage to make it consistent with my "theories" but we think that the Bible writers thought, so it makes it very logical and believable . It is simply the natural way of looking at it, and we can make it really pure dumb idea that the Earth's interior could house a bottomless pit *, which we in this case might see as an incomprehensible allegory, like so many other things which religious tradition violates Scripture, instead of taking it seriously and become part of the full reality, yes, heavenly reality, that when we see things as they are, then they are also ours and real, for all is true and correct, it belongs to us and we will seize, in Jesus' name.

* I have thought so myself, not as allegory but the physical / spiritual sense.

on top. 9 is therefore an alien invasion, during the great tribulation? Yes, very likely. To consider this: If the pit were only a hole in the Earth's interior, where a bunch of rebellious angels once shut up, how can these creatures that Revelation is talking about, come out again? It does not seem to be any real angels, these locust-like monster. Will the contrast up / down from the heavens, they can be just about anything that they rymders prince cooked up there, with access to underground dna that he's been down here and looted, which we know he does.

So what we have in Revelation, is not just one but two / more space invasions, one probably sometime in the beginning of the Tribulation (Rev. 9), and one in the middle of it (Rev. 12). And then with the Lamb and his skarors arrival, it is actually a third (Rev. 19:11-21), and these will then smoke up with each other, and wipe out the remnants of civilization on earth, before it's all over.

A It's only space it all now! Yes, it is not it? The Bible is a rymdbok, which I also mentioned at some point. It starts in space, and it ends in space. And space is heaven, and heaven is outer space.

Well now must surely be enough. Can not we get a little religious traditions remain? No, why? Do you have insight, then you get to use it, and let your mind be renewed, so much so that you arrive at the biblical world view? It is certainly my desire, I have no desire to go and pull the old Catholic misunderstandings or outright misrepresentations, resulting in post-biblical times when you wanted to make himself a friend of his contemporary world. Such, we have no use for, and we reach people in our time much better if we present a comprehensible celestial mechanics, an understandable cosmology, and celestiologi, one corresponding to reality, the reality that any actually, in all cases to a very large part, themselves can go out and watch, the night sky, clear nights, and become as fascinated by it as Abraham, David and all the prophets of God evidently was because they always wrote about it and praising God with all your heart for it, with all its contents . Or have you not read it? The Bible is full of praise to God over space and all its luminous objects. Not praise to the objects, but to him who put them up there, to shine, and attract, us.

"When I consider Your heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained," (Ps. 8:4)

Well that's not God's heaven either? Is not it? But the Bible says, that. God's heaven is the sky where the moon and stars shine. You've just read it. And there are so many similar words from the Bible, that I could fill several sheets or skärmbreddar with them, below. But it is not necessary, because you can easily find them yourself. They are almost on every other page in the Old Testament, especially in the Psalms, but also in Job and the prophets.

Actually, it is incomprehensible how Christianity has managed to obscure this, which of course, once you come to realize it, is so terribly obvious that one sees oneself as an idiot who could not see it or admit it, even for himself, before .* But we also have a formidable opponent, which should not be underestimated, with a power to confuse and obfuscate, just what we most need. And here he has prepared his last battle, the one he put most of, and will put all its universal resources, as far as they are now enough, when those two invasions will, and he has free access to this planet, and one, as he believes, golden opportunity to take over, for good. That is how he thinks, in his delusion, and in their desperation. And why has he hidden his sinister plans so incredibly well that most of Christendom does not have the faintest about what is going on, and prepared, all over the world, and stepped up, right now, at this time, we therefore understand is the last.

* But for my part, it was long ago, about 17 years.

"All evidence clearly shows that our Jesus is coming soon ..."

We have our hopes, our blessed hope, and need not fear. We should only fear Him who is our Lord, that we found to be asleep, or drunk, or negligent, or confused, or apostate, when he comes to pick their preferred host.

And until we shall be here, and get in the way, the evil rampage, in the fields Jesus set out to be. And this is one of them. But it is not an isolated area, without this knowledge, and insight, it should be forced out everywhere in the body of Christ, so that she sees and understands and knows to behave, in the end times, and are not due cheated because she lived with a total misconception and not have a clue what's going on around her.

If you have been part of it and got "insight and understanding", you are now obligated to pass it on, in your husband and with the resources you possess. "What she could, she did." As it says in one place in the Bible (Mark 14:8). In another it says "Today we can offer up a joyful" (2 Kings. 7:9). And Jesus says "Walk while ye have the light" (John 12:35-36). For, "the night cometh, when no man can work" (John 9:4).

(End of quote).

Addition: Forever is a long and everlasting 2x correctly translated from Hebrew \ Greek is an age of time. Or a time that only God the Father knows. As Jesus says of his return that it knows only my Father when he comes again.
Jesus is coming back when this era is ending. So it is with the Father's final annihilation and destruction of all evil and Satan with his demons.
It will take an age \ epoch \ (g: a rubbish aiosin) to perform this work.
We read in Scripture that the night shall cease to stand for evil, be biledelig speech that one day all traces of the evil and the evil deeds, and them being gone.
Obvious. 22. 5 The night will be no more, and they should not be used for the light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will shine upon them. And they will reign forever and ever.
God the Father Himself knows the time and in what way this will happen, but the biblical teaching is not eternal torment forever. But a literal destruction as happened to Sodom and Gomarra says Jude in his letter.
Jude 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities where around, as the same as those engaged in prostitution, and went after strange flesh, are before our eyes as an example, when they suffer an eternal ilds punishment. What happened to Sodom and Gomarra? They had a deadly criminal who destroyed them because of contained life.

1.Mos.b.19. 24 Then the LORD rain brimstone and fire - from the Lord out of heaven - down on Sodom and Gomorrah. 25 And he overthrew those cities and all the plain, and all those living in cities and what grew on the ground.

27 Early in the morning Abraham went to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah and toward all the land of the plain, he saw that the smoke went up from the land like the smoke of a furnace.

It was Sodom and Gomar blotted with an eternal flame. After what the word of God teaches about the eternal fire!
It has all the people waiting who have their names written in the book of life of the Lamb. An eternal annihilation as they got. It was like a furnace.
How will it happen with all the wicked on Judgement Day understands the white throne that does not have his name written in the Book of Life. Everything that came in there melted and became "a" with the bathroom. How it will happen to the wicked on Judgement Day.

Matt.3. 12 he has his kasteskovl in his hand, and he will clean his barn and gather his wheat laden, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.
When it comes to believers, and we do not understand sentence.
But our lives will be assessed and we may lose wages or full wages!
This is the biblical doctrine of the eternal flame.

What I mean is that this "destruction" process will be so long that it is natural to compare it with an eternity - because the fire burns all the time, so long as there is nothing to burn.
And the pain will of God Father's heart something very like have provided a solution for all people. And Jesus will suffer when his sacrifice was for all.

For us men have by far the greatest distress and anguish to join this if we do not get our fleshly family with the sky the way and all the other people that we care about and love!

Related link: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/09/nr-48-den-annen-dd.html

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