No. 1353: Israel rejected that people or are they the future of the people?

No. 1353:
Israel rejected that people or are they the future of the people?

Image of Jesus as King of Kings and Lord, Lord. As the prince, regent and groom to the church.
Then he will sit on his throne in Jerusalem, and the Church and Israel rule the earth from pole to pole, and law and order will emanate from the King seat in Jerusalem!

How far away is this? First, it will be Antichrist control, or rather mismanagement of 7 years. Then comes the 1,000 Year Reign of Jesus and Israel!

See also my commentaries Revelation.

http://janchristensen.net/bibelkommentar-hoved.php?side=bibelkommentarer-Johannes-aapenbaring

Isaiah 2 2 And it shall happen in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it. / 3 And many people shall go and say, Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, the God of Jacob's house, so he can teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and word of the Lord from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, and they shall no more learn war.


Question from a reader of the Heavenly blog, I've emailed with and written. Think there is much for the individual to read here, and bring out the spiritual goodies.

Hello.

I have seen that you have a sharp pen but feel like you're driven by the love of truth. When I take the liberty of writing to you directly.

Jesus is Israel. It says in Hosea 11.1. "From Egypt I called my son." After Herod's death traveled Joseph, Mary and Jesus from Egypt and settled in Nazareth. It is Hosea 11 as being fulfilled when Jesus comes back after fleeing from Herod.

The huge misunderstanding, which is so gigantic that it is almost not to believe is that God still Dealer with carnal Jews and the carnal Jews have an eternal covenant with God. The eternal covenant is, however, covenant Jesus has created. It has happened on the cross. It is only the cross that is our blessing source. Whether we bless a secular Jewish state or not has no influence. Jesus has made Jews and Gentiles into one, to Christians. EF2: 14. A true Jew is a spiritual Jew. The people of Romans 11 that God has not rejected are the same as in Romans 8:29. The Greek word in both 11: 3 and 8:29 am proegno. "Earlier acknowledge" is mistranslated in 11. There is "known in advance" is right. God has prior knowledge of all those who are saved.
Jesus said that "the flesh profits nothing." Carnal condition no longer has any relevance.
Jesus did not say that the Jews were to be given back the kingdom after it had been taken from them and given "a nation bringing forth its fruit."
It does not say "the Jew first, then Gentile, then Jew again."
It was not dispensasjonalisme as Jesus pointed to emmaus migrants.
Hebrews 11 says clearly that the old regulation is "nearly disappearing" and that God was not happy with the old regulation that could not take away sins. Then it is strange for me to hear some Christians say that dyreoffringer should resume in a rebuilt temple in an earthly millennial when Jesus, on top of it all, says that his kingdom is not earthly.
Star of David is "Star of Remfahn" or Molech. It is an occult symbol.
Jesus did not leave carnal Jews exemption from bearing fruit. Those who did not bear fruit were cut off. The only way to be grafted again is by faith in Christ. The fruit of what to me looks more like Fake Israel is not good.
We know that Satan's goal has always been to duplicate what God does. He is transformed into a bright angel. Lucifer. His place is earth. There is no place for him in heaven. Then it is no wonder that it seems that he has created a false doctrine, dispensasjonalisme, which is only about 100 years old and which have their origin in Jesuits, which has led many charismatic Christians have renounced their position by recognizing carnal circumcised Jews as God's property funds despite the fact that Paul warns sharply in Galatians 5 against attributing circumcision mattered. If namely circumcision relevance we must all be circumcised. To say that carnal Jews are the people of God means that we must be circumcised. When we fall, however, out of mercy.
Remember that there is only one God, one faith, one baptism, one people, one Israel, the Israel of God, and that it is in Christ that all promises have their Yes. Outside Christ / Israel there exists no valid promises. Jesus is Israel. We have been duped. Powerful fooled.

Answer:

There was much here, but I try to answer three things here so it will not be too much.

1.) You write: The huge misunderstanding, which is so gigantic that it is almost not to believe is that God still Dealer with carnal Jews and the carnal Jews have an eternal covenant with God.

Answer: No place in God's word, we find that Israel is rejected, they are just put to the side for a time. We have tons of scriptures, but then refers to only a few so that it will not be too many.

Jeremiah 31 35 Thus saith the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and ordinances of the moon and the stars for light by night, who the sea when the waves roar - the Lord Almighty is his name: 36 If those ordinances no longer in force before me, saith the Lord, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before Me forever.

Room. 11. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? Certainly not! I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin; 2a God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery - lest ye think ye even wise - that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and so all Israel will be saved as it is written: from Zion shall rescuer come, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob clean, 27 and when I taketh away their sins, then this is my covenant with them. 28 After the Gospel are the enemies for your sake, but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes 29 For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as before disobeyed God, but now have obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 so these also now not believed, that they also may obtain mercy through the mercy that has become yourselves part; 32 for God has given them all to disobedience that he might have mercy on them all. 33 O depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and untraceable His ways! 34 For who has known the mind of the Lord? or who was his counselor? 35 Or who gave unto him first, so he should get consideration again? 36 For of him and through him and to him are all things; him be the glory forever! Amen.

1 Cor. 3. 14 But their minds were hardened; for until this day the same veil remains in reading the old covenant, without it being revealed, that it is done away in Christ. 15 But to this day, a veil lies over their heart when Moses is read, 16 but when it turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

2.) Hebrews 11 says clearly that the old regulation is "nearly disappearing" and that God was not happy with the old regulation that could not take away sins. Then it is strange for me to hear some Christians say that dyreoffringer should resume in a rebuilt temple in an earthly millennial when Jesus, on top of it all, says that his kingdom is not earthly.

Answer: http://undervisning.janchristensen.net/2015/10/nr-79-jesus-er-den-kommende-fyrsten.html

http://undervisning.janchristensen.net/2015/10/nr-80-gjenopprettelsen-av.html

3.) Jesus did not leave carnal Jews exemption from bearing fruit. Those who did not bear fruit were cut off. The only way to be grafted again is by faith in Christ. The fruit of what to me looks more like Fake Israel is not good.

Answer: The church in Norway, and elsewhere is well at such a low point. That this argument falls for its own absurdity. All we really need God's grace if anyone should bear fruit, fruit that lasts!

Here is a response to you, hope that helps a little?

New question:

When Paul says this by saying that God has not rejected his people in Room 11 as it is not carnal Jews who are His people, but "those who he knew in advance" (proegno). It is the same as in kap8 verse 29. Check the Greek. Proegn both places. Bible translations resting on is false. It uses known in mockery perhaps in 8:29 but in 11: 2 says that "previously acknowledged." There are two very different things.

That God has not rejected his Israel, the Israel that is in Christ. He did not have two Israel. He believes not carnal Jews. (And far from today's carnal Jews, who can be anyone. Anyone can now convert and become a Jew.) It is very obvious because he says in chapter 9: 8 that carnal Jews are not God's children. It was the election of grace which might stand. 9:11.
I can not see anything in this passage that is contrary to my view. It says nothing here about this comes natural Jews or Israel of God. We must go to Jesus to get bigger revelation. He says that the flesh can not profit anything. Paul says that flesh children are not children of God. When God here speaks of his people should not stop it clear that he believes Christ seed, the speaking of in 1 Mos 12: 3, and the prophesying right after the fall ETC.

Now, however, God ordained the Believers to bear fruit. When God has decreed that the believers will bear fruit so it will happen. It is not so say that "since the state of the Christian community is so lousy so the Jews can also do evil. We all need mercy. " It is clear that it is faith that makes God justifies the ungodly. While there are works that makes him condemn the non-believers.

Appreciate that you answer, dear brother. What you advocate called however dispensasjonalisme. But this doctrine is based on a very inconsistent hermeneutical principle (font principle of interpretation). There is a slalom exercise in interpretation of GT where all henvisnnger interpreted literally when Israel is mentioned. But we can not let vague things in GT will be allowed to make clear things in NT indistinct.

For instance it is evident that God first did something earthly, then the heavenly, first carnal, then spiritually. It says a lot about this in 1 Corinthians 15. Verse 50 says bluntly that "flesh and blood will not inherit God's kingdom. Impermanence shall not inherit the imperishable. "It becomes evident that the natural Jews have no inheritance. It is Christ genus which is heirs. In Christ there are also Jews. And Gentiles. There is no difference anymore. Rooms 2:29. Ephesians 2:14. God is no respecter of FOLK (ethnos). Rooms 2:11 Acts 10:34. God did earlier difference of ethnicity when he dealt with Israel as his special people. Now the dealer he was no longer with carnal distinctions of "you are all one by faith in Christ." Carnal divisions is over and out.

With ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a distinctive PEOPLE ...... .Their who previously were not a people, but now GOD'S PEOPLE .. 1 Peter 2

Answer:

It is contradictory that you say, he's talking here solely about natural Israel. And then suddenly you think it only applies to someone else, they will be saved.

No, this is a font interpretation which I find inappropriate!

But agree, no Jews, no pagans. No people are saved an extra-through Jesus Christ.

In Romans 9-11 spoken exclusively about the carnal Israel, those born out of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob thigh.

They will, or to put it another way. Based on Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's descendants God will establish His 1,000 year kingdom of peace will rule from pole and the pole and of Jerusalem shall statute and outgoing!

Can not see anything of what you have written shaken by Israel is still God's people. You have no comment on any of the scriptures I have given you the example. Israel should be the people of God as long as the earth and the sun is made up! See Jeremiah 31 and the other scriptures I gave you.

For me it is holding forth unalloyed replacement theology, which puts both your and other salvation at risk. When scripture says on several occasions, what you have done for some of my brethren (the Jews), you have done against me, this Jesus said!

Thanks, but Jews today do not hate Christ, they are very, very curious about who Jesus was and is!

Was 2 weeks in Israel this summer, and have got to say, those who are adverse to Jesus is more some extreme Rabbis, but not ordinary Jews!

New question:

Hello again. Hope you realize that I'm doing this for love. I have the sense that you have stood up against infidelity and the elementary things of God's word, if for example, that "one deacon must be husband of one wife" etc. I dare however not to make judgments, for "with the goals you measures with shall you be judged. ". Therefore it is so important to know for ourselves what's in the Word of God so that we can judge ourselves and God can give us repentance. We must all live in continuous repentance dear brother.

Regarding chapter of Jeremiah; It is always a good principle to let Scripture interpret Scripture. Jeremiah 31:36 stands in the writer of Hebrews fly:

"For if the first covenant had been faultless, then should not it be sought space for the other. For he blames them when he says:" Then he quotes Jeremiah Chapter 31:31 through verse 34 ".

We can affirm that the theme of Jeremiah 31 is the new that God has introduced with Christ. As it is written in Hebrews 10: 9 "He takes away the first, that he may establish the second. By this will (expressed in Jeremiah 31) we sacredness that Jesus Christ's body was carried forward once and for all ".

The verse you then asking me to comment on the stands along with this which also Hebrews fly:

Verse 36:
"If these Regulations (ie the new regulations he has just laid in Jeremiah 31 verses 33 and 34 - the new covenant) will be gone before me, says the Lord, when Israel also semen cease from being a nation before me forever"

Regulations Jeremiah refers to are ordinances in the new covenant. It is THESE Regulations which remains forever. Christ reigns forever. "So it will be given you input in Christ everlasting kingdom" (2 Pet 1:11).

He mentions besides Israel Seed. This is not natural Jews, we have read that are NOT children of God (Romans 9: 8) but we know that it is Christ seed.

Hebrews 8:13 also says that the decrees that God was not satisfied with "ready to disappear."

It was this interpretation of the Old Testament as did Paul got maligned resistant Jews. See 1 Thessalonians 2: 14-16. Jews were incensed that they lost their ancient decrees in connection with the preaching of the gospel of Christ. (See John 11: 47-53.) It is the general still. Talmud nourishes a violent hatred against Christ and Christians.

Read Hebrews 10 with these glasses dear brother. It reigns so much confusion surrounding this surrounding dispensasjonalisme to do that, as I see it, that if there is something that sets human salvation in danger then it must be this doctrine.

Answer:

It is clear that it is by God's Spirit all believers at all times able to follow God's law.
This was in the Old Testament, that in the new covenant and the coming 1000 year kingdom.
Even in heaven there is the Spirit of God makes us into the people God wants us to be.
So the interpretation here does not hold for me to reject Israel as a special people whom God has chosen for some special tasks!

Do not think we are going further now with each other, we'll just accept that we look differently at these things. But am glad your zeal for God's word!

God's Spirit worked in GT:
Isaiah 63. 14 As the cattle that go down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD gave them rest; Thus you led your people, to make yourself a glorious name.

God's Spirit works in NT:
Acts 2.

God's Spirit works in the coming 1000 årsriket:
Ezekiel 36. 23 I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the nations, which you have profaned among them; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I am sanctified in you before eyes. 24 I will bring you from the nations and gather you from all the countries, and I will bring you into your own land. 25 And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean; from all your filthiness and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 I will give you a new heart and a new spirit will I put within you, and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 My spirit will I put within you, and I will do that in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them. 28 I shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29 I will save you from all your filthiness, and I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you.

(Here it just as clearly as possible that there is a coming kingdom of peace waiting for Israel where he will fetch them from any country to the land of Israel?
Ezekiel 36. 28 I shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.)

God's Spirit works when we get to Heaven:

1 Cor. 15. 28 but when everything is subject to him, then shall the Son himself subjugate himself to him who put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

(It says that God may be all in all eternity).

Final Comment:

Take time to read this, and you have questions or thoughts on this?

Write to me dear friend, God is good and wants you to be and be blessed and enlightened with your spiritual eyes and see what God says in his word clearly.

Efes. 1. 17 that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto wisdom and revelation in the Spirit of knowledge of him, 18 and give your heart enlightened eyes, that you may know what is the hope of his calling, and how rich the glory of his inheritance in the saints.

Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/10/no-1352-those-who-helped-jews-and.html
http://israel-blogg.janchristensen.net/