torsdag 26. september 2013

Nr. 593: Searchlight 'm afraid that I'll be labeled a heretic because I do not believe in a Triad - God and an eternal hell for the unbeliever !

Nr. 593:
Searchlight 'm afraid that I'll be labeled a heretic because I do not believe in a Triad - God and an eternal hell for the unbeliever !

Arius who would not accept the unbiblical doctrine of the Trinity was called heretic although his teaching was biblical and those who opposed him were unbiblical and false teachers of God. It will go the way of God in this world must always expect resistance , contempt and be called for both the one and the other. Here Arius the God man he was :

From Wikipedia: Arius ' theology is devoid of the sense of God's mystery . His arguments are more philosophical than theological and using a sterile logic , he reached forward to their conclusions about God. First and foremost thought from the Neo-Platonic assumptions , such as that God is eternal and an unknown monad . This understanding of God is the starting point and leads him to the conclusion logically that the Son can not be God like the Father. His basic thesis is then that " what was once his son was not ." A very important passage for him in this respect was Proverbs 8.22 "I was the first Lord brought forth , his first work of old" . In a quote by Arius from approx . 320 ( passed by Athanasius of Alexandria and Epiphanus ) "Therefore, there are three entities ( hypostases ) , the Father , Son and Holy Spirit. And God , which is the cause of all things , is the only one without a beginning ( Anarchos ) , but the Son , which was born with the moment of the Father and created and established before the ages , was not before he was born , but born without too time subject all , he alone existence of the one Father. " Arianism is a theological doctrine that has as background the Alexandrian priest Arius ' teachings. Arius lived approximately 260-336 . According to Arianism , the Son (Jesus Christ ) is a created being , the first and highest of all created beings , but he is not divine. It has been a time when the Son was not yet , a short form of slogans arian organism centerpiece of Christology site. Father ( God) has created the Son of nowhere, and later than the beginning of time. Although the Son is the Father's most perfect works are essentially different , and the Son is called Son only in the same sense as the people called God's people. Likewise, the Holy Spirit is the Father's second most perfect creation. The Father alone is thus the largest and Trinity term can not be applied if God ..

Searchlight by Kjell Andersen writes: Another issue Jan Kåre Christensen also struggling with is that he purely theological in many ways has broken with what most regard as classic evangelical Christianity and that he therefore also be seen as a " heretic " in many contexts .

Jan Kåre Christensen 's " Heavenly blog " has clearly two primary goals nemelig to expose believers human sins in the same spirit that drives the controversial " Amigthywind sect " to publish videos on You Tube that folds out mistakes and sins that were previously members to have committed . The second goal Jan Kåre Christensen has his blog is to proclaim religious message that other Christians regard as heresy. As is well known Bible teacher rejects Christensen et sentraldogmene of the Christian faith teaches that the Bible God has revealed himself as a triune God, Father , Son and Holy Spirit. Jan Kåre Christensen learn about the " Godhead " is not modalistisk or in a " Jesus Only" which in reality is a sort of " funksjonstrinitarisme " but more reminiscent of Jehovah's Witnesses "to- God - learn " where Jesus is " a god under God. " Although Jesus repeatedly identifies himself as one with the Almighty " I am" and thus identify themselves as " powerful " , Jan Kåre in reality ethene made ​​Jesus an inferior God second . This is completely settled ideas taken from Jehovah's Witnesses Bible understanding. While the Christian church teaches that there is a God (one divine being) who has revealed Himself in three persons Only Jesus teaches that the one God has revealed Himself in three functions (or mode) . Thus, one can actually mention " Jesus Only" theology as a " functional Trinitarianism ," while the doctrine of Jan Kåre in reality polytheism with two gods. If one is to believe what Jan Kåre preach the Holy Spirit is certainly not God as classical Christianity teaches and preaches he thus a different gospel . Another classic dogma that Smyrna Assembly Bible teacher rejects the idea that hell is eternal torment. This idea has been embraced by a number of religious movements has in recent years gained increased support especially in liberal theology and in some religious sects . "Christensen spreading blasphemous doctrine, that neither Jesus or the Holy Spirit is God and that hell is everlasting ," the minister Bjorn Johansen Storm in an email to Searchlight . ( end of quote ) .

This is hard outcomes against me and Smyrna Oslo.

But we believe in as . the same as Adventists about the destruction includes , they are then worldwide approx . 20 Million .

We think about Jesus much the same as the Coptic Church , they are X number of Million members. Taking therefore what Adventists and the Coptic Church teaches . There will be an answer well enough Searchlight and Kjell Andersen . Have several articles on these topics both in the blog and website.

Adventists of eternal damnation as Smyrna Oslo shares the same view as:

The wicked will be destroyed instead of being an eternal damnation

What Adventists believe about hell ? Adventists believe in perdition , ie the wages of sin is death . The Bible explains many places death as a dreamless sleep. They reject the idea that God will torment his creatures in times without end , making God a torturer in Fawlty Towers . It is God's enemy , the devil , who is responsible for the disorder . God is not through eternity retain something of the devil's contributions in existence. Adventists believe that sin and people who will not let his salvation , being annihilated in the judgment . Hardly any other doctrine than that of purgatory and eternal punishment of the wicked judge, has created several gudsfornektere , and more despair . SDA stands for a positive and bright view of God . He wants a voluntary and happy people , and not people to be frightened or threatened into heaven. God's actions are not arbitrary and ruthless . He delivers with love and not by force or coercion.

Evangeliekirken in Arendal also teaches right here :

Let me make some scriptures that support what I mean.

Only in 1 Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold the man is become as one of us , to know good and evil. Only he did not stretch out his hand and take also of the tree of life , and eat, and live forever. End of quote . Here it is in fact that it was not intended that man should live forever after the fall ! No one would disagree with that?

The next thing I want to see are 1 Book Samuel 28:15 : And Samuel said to Saul , Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up ? End of quote . It shows Samuel us that he " sleeps! Grave. And shall first wakes up in the last day , where all the graves will rise . Then to the final judgment . Fortuneteller But conjured Samuel up early. The same happened with Moses and Elijah. They were upset and were picked up by Jesus. The same also happened with Martha and Mary's brother Lazarus in the tomb . After 4 days in the grave was disturbed and brought Lazarus back to life, but the ordinary had been that he had been in the tomb of the resurrection day. We see that these people were dead and " asleep. " A passage to underline how for example the prophet Samuel and King Saul and his sons were after death. There we read in 1 Samuel 28:19 Samuel said to Saul here , quote : " Tomorrow you and your sons be with me. " End of quote . It says clearly that Samuel was a man the Lord would be with Saul and his sons to the grave . Saul was as an apostate from the Lord . Finally, I will mention Lazarus and the rich man . The story told by Jesus is no salvation history, for it had all the poor admitted to Paradise and all the world as place of torment . So what did Jesus really the story . Then do well to read the Bible teaches January Lillby writes:


By Jan Lilleby

I could not just let Bullinger article be left without getting into that now must be the reader's next question: If the story of Lazarus and the rich man came real thing " after death " - what was that reason Jesus reviews persons such as actually thought, spoke and acted according to their " death " ? Jesus describes even that it was put one big abyss choose between Lazarus in Abraham's bosom and the rich man who was tortured in hell (v. 26). This sounds really powerful , right ? And the rich man begs that Lazarus had come and cool rich man's tongue with a finger dipped in water ( verse 24) , which perhaps might have been neck hairs to the Jews who heard the story - to rise up in horror !

Well, without further comparison , - let me mention Æsobs Fables , known Greek eventyrlignelser to tell a general truth but with a fictional story . You know - the fox , crow and cheese piece . Or he who cried wolf so many times that when the wolf one day really showed up , no one even bothered to hear - and the wolf turns giving him a free pass. Simple parables or fairy bits used to promote a general truth . Or the story (these stories is the infinite ... right? ) About the "wise " but lazy farmer who would facilitate their work and therefore decided he would rather sit on the branch he was cutting off - iførste place to facilitate their toil, - but that ended up in a tragedy that was the price for being lazy! He fell down by branch and was killed . Instead the farmer would rather cost of a little more tedious method : Buy a ladder and stand on it, leaning to tree trunk , and safely cut of the aforementioned proverbial branch. Laziness cost him his life - but the story as such was fictional . It is therefore not considered to be a lie , for it stated the history caricature of the unfortunate that it is fictional with overlegg.Slik is the rich man caricatured by Jesus , and transferred to the unbelieving Israel and their Pharisees .

Another of the many endless word-pictures that are used frequently, even today , is that "he who digs a pit for others will himself fall into it ." And dear reader : this was what Jesus used " the story of Lazarus " to : To fabricate a given history and issues, - which in itself was a true story - but that would point to a TRUTH ITSELF OUTSIDE THE STORY .

What did Jesus pointed with his " Aesop fable" ? Yes, we find this clearly in his reply , Luke.16 , 31 where Jesus uses Lazarus ` response to the desperate rich man ( here the rich man caricatured / ridiculed ) about his wish that someone had to come back from the dead to warn Israel against falling into perdition : " But he ( Lazarus ) said to him (the rich man ) : if they hear not Moses and the prophets , then they (Israel ) can not be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. "

Jesus used the fable or story to chastise Israel's disobedience in relation to believe Moses and the prophets witness of Christ ! Therefore, it can not be used word for word , as if it were an encyclopedia of life - death - judgment - salvation - damnation . There you have the whole Bible , speak , and it must have voice without that it would be brought in contradiction of stories that Jesus invented to promote a general truth .

You will see from my last article in this article collection, that the false teachings of the Pharisees who ran such of eternal torment for those who did not believe their false doctrine comes from pagan cultures and not from the Jewish - and not Moses and the prophets. The Pharisees used the threat of eternal torment in hell as a force to get people to submit to their evil doctrine, and so could suck money out of people totally unfair ! The Pharisees understood that Jesus was speaking about them - and finally they crucified Jesus. Jesus dotted all their evil false teaching both life and death , so it gjøv for! With the rich man and Lazarus , Jesus turns the Pharisees in the face ... with their own lies and nonsense ! We believe in perdition , ie the wages of sin is death . The Bible explains many places death as a dreamless sleep. We reject the idea that God will torment his creatures in times without end , making God a torturer in Fawlty Towers . It is God's enemy , the devil , who is responsible for the disorder . God is not through eternity retain something of the devil's contributions in existence. We believe that sin and people who will not let his salvation , being annihilated in the judgment . Hardly any other doctrine than that of purgatory and eternal punishment of the wicked judge, has created several gudsfornektere , and more despair . We stand for a positive and bright view of God . He wants a voluntary and happy people , and not people to be frightened or threatened into heaven. God's actions are not arbitrary and ruthless . He delivers with love and not by force or coercion.

What will happen to Satan , the Antichrist , the False Prophet , the fallen angels , demons , all the wicked and unbelieving ? They will be destroyed and annihilated . Annihilate : verb trans . obliterate [' ʉ ː tʃletə ] destroy, remove completely .

Lake of Fire

This will meet all lost in the end , God the Father as a consuming fire !

When it comes to destruction so I get a few things not to vote with the God that I have learned and know . If we include the Old Testament as the sum of hell maybe a little different than we think ?

For one thing, rather I more and more to what Adventists believe that the unsaved eventually die immediately after death! Then I believe that through hell and judgment , the unsaved will be destroyed .

Forexample : if hell had been forever for those who died unsaved , it would have been impossible and bring children into the world! It had been a gamble unparalleled in history! If the majority of humanity is on the way to destruction where there is eternal torment , then it is much better and not be born! When we owe well among many others, including abortion doctors , an apology! They have for years now been removed fetuses that are going to hell . When fetuses being put to death so early, classifies the not to eternal life with fire and brimstone ! Remember that there are only a few who converted to Christ !

As you know, the wand , it's not all men , even of Christian parents , who are being saved . The chance that a person comes to faith is well approx . 10 per cent in Norway . In most countries the percentage is much less . Should people then take the chance to give life to their children, if the chance was 90 percent or more , that they once were to end up in hell with the devil and his demons ? No, I do not think so ! There is not a single place in the Bible that there are risks filled and bring children into the world. On the contrary , it says that God wanted the children would be as numerous as the stars of heaven ... No one in the Old Testament and in the New Testament warns against putting children into the world . Jesus did not, nor the apostles.

Another issue is whether Noa ! God destroyed ca . 2 million people in the flood, but he saved 8 pieces. It resulted in continued sin on earth , and if we want to figure out how many people will go to hell because of this , in the past, present and future , it will be enough number of approx. 15 BILLION people or more . Can you imagine such an amount in hell ? I certainly do not think that God would allow , that this large number was tormented for all eternity. Here it must be wrong with the translation from the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures , and that's it! You can read the front of this piece.

Anyway , it's Jesus we must repent and believe in , even if hell exists or not , and if you want to enter heaven , so we come in there, even though we do not believe in an eternal hell ! But luckily THEN TELL GOD'S WORD In the text because the unsaved to be destroyed , and that is exactly what they want , SO HERE GET BOTH PARTIES TO THEIR ELECTION MET !

Eternal torment , eternal death

The notion of an eternally burning hell where lost human souls writhing in pain and torture through all eternity has created both anguish and problems for many Christians. It should not be ignored that some passages - or rather translations - apparently supports this view. It is difficult to reconcile such an interpretation with biblical account of a just and merciful God who judges people by their deeds. Let us examine the problematic verses .


"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me , ye cursed , into everlasting fire , prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into eternal life " (Mt 25,41.46 ) . The Greek text ( Textus Receptus ) says : " Then he will say also unto them on the left hand : Depart from me , the cursed , to the eternal fire , prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And they will go away to these eternal punishment , but the righteous into life eternal . " " The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever . They have no rest day nor night , who worship the beast and his image , and whosoever receiveth marked with his name "(Revelation 14,11 ) . Basic Text: "And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and forever , and they have no rest day nor night who worship the beast and his image ." "But you who are troubled , he shall rest with us . This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. He comes in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and on them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus . The punishment they will suffer the eternal damnation away from the Lord and from the glory of his power "(2 Thessalonians 1.7 to 9 ) . Basic Text: "And to you who are aspiring betrengt , rest with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with the angels of his power in flaming fire , giving punishment to those who knowingly God , and to those who do not obey the gospel the Lord our Jesus Christ , who shall suffer punishment , destruction ( destruction ) forever, face away from the Lord and from the glory of his power . " Let's go to these verses in detail .

"Eternal "

The first thing we should note is that both Matthew 25 , Revelation . 14 and 2 Thessalonians 1 uses the Greek word " aion " (in different grammatical inflections ) of " forever." This means "long ", " eternal ", " something that never ends ," but also " time-span ", " life ", " generation ". The term " aion " is therefore used both for a limited time and for an unlimited period , " infinity ". The word is used in other words, unconditional on " forever" in the sense of something that never ends . In Revelation . 14,11 used the phrase Aion aionon ( forever and forever ) , and in Revelation . 20,10 used Aion ton aionon ( the eternities forever ) for the right to emphasize that the punishment is eternal. It can not be undone in the eternity of eternities .


It is not really the word "eternal " that creates problems. It is the word " torment" that causes anguish . Let us examine this expression . Matt . 25 , 41.46 - " Eternal fire. . . eternal torment . " In the original Greek text reads as follows: " the eternal fire " (v. 41 ) and "they will go away to these eternal punishment " (v. 46). In the Norwegian Bible says "eternal torment" in v. 46, but in the Greek text reads " kolasis ", which means " center ", " torture ". The word can thus mean " torture " but can also mean " punishment ." Which option best matches the image of a just and merciful God? God tortures people? Revelation . 14.11 : " The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever ." Basic Text , " the smoke of their torment their ". It uses the Greek word " basanismu " for " torment" . It means " torture ", " torment ", " nuisance ", and according to Greek dictionary it says in Revelation . 14,11 in the sense of " eternal damnation ." 2 Thess. 1.7 to 9 , " eternal damnation ." Greek : " Those who shall suffer punishment , an underpass forever." The word " punishment " is " dike ", which means " right ," " justice ," " judgment ," " the exercise of a judicial decision ." The word " destruction " is " olethron ," which means " destruction ", " destruction ", " doom ". 2 Thess. 1.7-9 is the key to these problematic verses in the Bible: " The punishment they will suffer the eternal damnation . " Paul says here that the wicked will suffer eternal destruction , destruction , destruction - that the punishment they suffer an eternal damnation , eternal death and destruction , not eternal torture. The sound reasonable , and practice non-violence in God's character. It is in this light that we must understand the other verses. It is easy to interpret it difficult . In Matthew 25:46 , it says "eternal torment" , also means " eternal punishment ". This meaning is also consistent with Paul. In Revelation . 14.11 says. " The smoke of their torment ." You used the word to mean " eternal damnation ", which is also consistent with Paul.

« Consumed »

Let 's look at Revelation 20.9 of the wicked : "And they went up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city . But fire came down from heaven and devoured them . " Word" consumed "is the Greek " katephagen , "which means" swallow "," consume ". The wicked are simply consumed, destroyed in a fire that destroy both soul and body , as Jesus says .

They lost in the eternal torment. Detail from Michelangelo's decoration of the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican They lost in the eternal torment. Detail from Michelangelo's decoration of the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican And Revelation 20.10 : " And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone , where the beast and the false prophet are . And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever . " Basic Text :" And the devil, the seducing them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and lying prophet . And they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever the eternities . " It says that the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever . Let us also look at Ezekiel 28,14.18.19 the devil / Satan / Lucifer , and what happens to him in the end : " Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth , and I put on the holy mountain . Thou hast walked among the stones of fire . . . . Upon thy iniquities , by your unjust trade , you profaned your sanctuaries. Therefore will I bring forth a fire from you, and it shall devour you. I bring thee to ashes upon the earth for all them that behold you. . . All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee . A terror , and you're gone - forever. "

It says the Ezekiel plainly that Satan will be consumed and turned into ashes. He is destroyed and disappears , " disappear" forever. The Hebrew word used here for " eat " is " Akal " which means " burning up ", " consume ". As we saw in Matthew 25:41 , they lost people go away " . . . the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. " Since the devil is consumed and turned into ashes , it is reasonable that the lost who go to the same fire, suffering the same fate. They are also consumed and becomes ashes. There is a total destruction , and as we shall see , is also the soul destroyed in this fire . It is neither root nor branch left, says the prophet Malachi : "For behold , the day cometh ! It burns like a furnace . When all the proud and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up , saith the Lord of hosts , that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. . . . And you shall tread down the wicked . They shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts " (Malachi 4,1.3 ) . The wicked will burn up , says Malachi , and there is no root or branch back , ie nothing. They turn into ashes, he says . They will be destroyed.

Sodom / Gomorrah

" Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. He overthrew those cities and all the plain , all the inhabitants of the cities , and all that grew on the ground . . . . Early morning Abraham went to the place where he had stood before the LORD , and he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah and all the land , and, behold, the smoke rising from the land , like smoke from a furnace. How it happened , when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the destruction , when he overthrew the cities in which Lot dwelt in "( Gen. 1 19,24.25,27-29 ) . " . . . Even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around, like in the same way as these fornication, and going after strange flesh , and now is an example of our eyes and suffer the punishment of eternal fire " (Jude 7). Basic Text : " . . . been set up as an example , ilds suffering eternal punishment . " Again , the word " dyke " for " punishment " and means that before mentioned , " right ," " justice ," " judgment ," " the exercise of a judicial decision. " Ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were completely destroyed by fire, an " eternal fire , " says Jude . Again, the Greek word " aionu " ( the root word " aion ") used. What do as apostle with this expression ? Sodom flames are long extinct , and the areas in which these cities were , now lies on the shores of the Dead Sea , or under water. It can not be about "eternal fire" in the sense that it burns forever. But as we have seen, also the word " aion " means a " limited time ." Because the flame is extinguished long ago , is it logical enough to interpret the word in this sense ? The "eternal fire" burn as long as there is nothing to burn . When everything is turned into ash, extinguish the fire .


Jesus "the second death ": " Fear not them which kill the body but can not kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell "( Matt. 10.28 ) . Here Jesus says that both soul and body be destroyed in hell. Jesus does not say that they should suffer for all eternity , but will be destroyed . How much is the back of a human being when both soul and body is destroyed? The Greek word for " destroy " is the " apolesai ," which means " destroy " " destroy ," " perish. " Soul is therefore not immortal, but can perish and be destroyed.

Is God a mega - torturer ?

None of us would choose to serve a God who allows lost people agonize in pain forever for the sins they have committed in a short life here on earth. A man who has lived for 70 years here on earth , in other words tormented anguish and pain in billions of billions and billions of years - forever in eternal hellfire ? How has God's grace , mercy , compassion , justice and love all the way? Is this a joy for the families that have been saved? Will those who believe in eternal torment answer what kind of God we are dealing with ? Imagine if you were on the new earth , while your beloved children , or friends, family, etc. were gone lost. Would it be a joy for you to know that God tortured , tormented and tortured loved ones in hell for all eternity ? Of course not ! Maybe you are having heard the desperate screams their thousands of years , implored God to let them escape . And would God respond when he obviously would not let them escape , but they were lying there in pain through all eternity ? What is this picture of the biblical God so loved the world that he gave his own Son nailed to a cross like a criminal for you and me to be saved? There are many people who have renounced God and would not have anything to do with him because of this terrible heresy . Their logic and common sense told them the image of God, the eternal torment popular preachers served , did not fit properly, so they bade farewell to such a God . But our God is not so. He is a mega - torturer that plagues and torments people through eternity of eternities . Did you find this sound reasonable ? Fortunately this is not the God of the Bible portrays . He is full of compassion for his creatures . How could he give his only begotten Son to save people from sin and damnation , but the torment and torture lost people through all eternity ? God is just. It is then explicitly in the Bible that all may be judged and punished according to their deeds . Is it a just God that plagues and torments people for eternity for what they 've done in a short life ? Do you think this is an accurate picture of the compassionate Jesus who gave his life for you and me ? Of course not .

God's love

Is the love of God more than human love? Or is human love greater than the love of God ? The answer is simple enough : God's love is the greatest of all, it surpasses any sense and any description. Just read John 3:16 . Now let me ask a question. If a man had a child who died without having accepted Jesus , the parents would have plagued and tormented this dear child forever ? The desperate screams , pain , suffering through all eternity, without delay - would you give your children such a fate ? And here you will answer Oh no , no, how can you believe such a thing ? But then the love of parents for their children greater than God's love for mankind ! The parents would not do that to their loved ones, but God , whose love for his creatures surpasses all understanding , will thus make it ? Is there something amiss here ? The Bible portrays not our Heavenly Father as a supertorturist , but rather as a merciful and just God , full of mercy and compassion for his creatures . Will the righteous judge a child who has stolen 50 cents to death or to life imprisonment ? Another thing: If the wicked are in hell fire and tormented for eternity , they have the one conscious existence ! They feel pain and despair . Then they have the eternal life! A miserable life is enough , but yet forever ! Is this what the Bible teaches ?

The wages of sin

The horrible doctrine of eternal punishment can be refuted by a single Bible verse : "But the wages of sin is death " (Romans 6:23 ) . Basic Text , "For the wages of sin (s ) death ." Can you see what the wages of sin is for the wicked? death - eternal death , not eternal " torment " and " eternal life" in despair .

But some will argue : It is true that the wages of sin is death , but it's a resurrection from the dead on the Day of Judgment , and then all get their reward - either eternal life or eternal torment. But this has been answered in the above analysis makes it clear that the wicked reward is eternal destruction of both body and soul , that eternal death . This is the ultimate consequence of sin .


Let me summarize it this way:

1 There are few places in the Bible that the wicked are " tormented " forever.

2 But Paul in 2 Thessalonians . 1.7 to 9 gives the right picture the other verses should be interpreted according to. The wicked suffer eternal damnation , he said. The word " torment" can also mean " punishment" THE CASE Greek original text. The punishment is eternal damnation , he said. This is very important to understand.

3 The punishment is eternal , says Paul. But both body and soul is destroyed , ruined , perish , says Jesus. Revelation . 20 says that Satan will be cast into the lake of fire and will be " tormented day and night forever and ever ." But Ezekiel says that Satan will be destroyed and turned into ashes.

4 Thus, it appears that the there are contradictions in the Bible. but it is not. We should however interpret the difficult passages from the simple , and Paul makes it all clear. It is punishment , ie hell is eternal , not the physical suffering. Hell is eternal in the sense that both body and soul to the wicked who perish , are destroyed and there are no more forever. The doctrine of eternal torment is completely out of harmony with the Bible image of God, then is not what the Scripture says , when you go verses in detail , and it must be done in such difficult things. It is strange that parts of Christendom are doing such a terrible heresy and misrepresented God in this way !

5 The wages of sin of the wicked is death and not eternal life in torment and pain of hell fire . "For the Lord is compassionate and merciful " (James 5,11 ) . "The Lord is merciful and gracious , longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy " ( Ps. 103.8 ) . "For I have no pleasure in someone to die , saith the Lord God . So repent ye , and ye shall live "( Ezekiel 18.32 . ) The Christian God is not an eternal torturer , but a just and merciful God.

What the Coptic Church teaches about Jesus:

This is from the newspaper 's Day , written by Tore Hjalmar Sævik : The word Copt simply means Egyptian . - It is a historic national church which relates strongly to Egypt , explains Assistant Professor Peder Solberg at NLA University of Bergen. The correct name of the church is the Coptic Orthodox Church , in other words the " orthodox " Egyptian Church. It leads its roots back to the evangelist Mark, who allegedly founded the church of 40 century AD . During the 100s joined the Egyptians to Christianity at a rapid pace . But just discussing how orthodox or orthodox church really was , meant that it lost touch with the mainstream of Christianity as early as the 400s . New understanding the early Christian centuries was one theological controversies that overshadowed most other : The doctrine of Jesus , in technical terms Christology . How should we understand the relationship between Jesus as true God and true man ?

The claim that Jesus was created and not eternal , and therefore not truly divine, was put forward by the theologian Arius , who actually came from Libya , but kept to the Egyptian ecclesiastical center of Alexandria. He was dismissed as heretic by the first great Council of Nicaea in 325 But all was not told about this. The discussion continued about how Jesus' humanity and divinity hang together, or were separated. Among theologians of Alexandria, it was common to argue that Jesus two natures were fused into one. Hence they were termed as " Monophysites ". This doctrine became prevalent in Egypt. - The Christological questions which was the theme at the time, has been in ecumenical conversations come to no longer relevant . That way they are formally communion with the other Orthodox churches , says Solberg. Church Society is also a member of the WCC . - As with the other Orthodox churches , it has a strong liturgical awareness, adding Solberg . Original Egyptians Road to the Orthodox community , however, has been long.

The 400s were Monophysites condemned as heretics . Neither coercion or compromise led , according to a sartikkel the site . The result was that the Coptic Church itself increasingly isolated from the rest of Christendom and got his own worship order and used as worship Coptic language. - They have a very strong national ecclesiastical consciousness. Family traditions are strong, and there is a lot of pride in this. They consider themselves the original Egyptians , says Solberg. The reason is that the Copts were in the country before the Muslim Arabs invaded in the 600s . The invasion led eventually to suppression , and a large part of Coptic Christians converted to Islam. In the 800s there were more Muslims than Christians in Egypt , according .

Final comment :

We live here in Norway in a small " duck -pond " where you think you know everything, but know many times very little. How could such . Jesus having two natures ? It was when he gave up the glory He had with the Father that he could be you and me like . Without that he had given up everything and become a human being like us , he could not become our Savior and Redeemer . It is on the border of arrogance to believe in the Trinity , and the belief that God will burn , harass and torment people who do not believe in eternity is a strong delusion !

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