tirsdag 24. januar 2012

Nr. 219: How can one God be three persons at the same time?

Nr. 219:

How can one God be three persons at the same time?

by Arne Jordly

When I write that I do not believe in this Greek philosophy, it is the result of a thorough review of the whole subject. (I take it for granted that you are familiar with the Kon-kordiebokens representation of the trinity philosophy.) Therefore, I would also like to respond to the allegations that letter of the Trinity by Finn Mykle-bust set up. The author Find Myklebust's claims are highlighted.

Section 1
It is not given anyone to understand or explain God.

Agree! The only thing we have to deal with in this respect is the Bible, God's word. Where explains God himself who he is. He said: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord your God! Lord is one! (The superb!) 'This is the greatest commandment! (Mark 12:29) This refers to God's clear voice of Moses in the 5th Moses 6:4. 'Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is one Lord.' See also James 2:19.

Section 2
We experience His power and love, and in our troubled world we experience his care and management. The only picture we can form of God, is what he reveals in his word. But the Bible does not give an exhaustive explanation, an answer you can put two lines below, but are content to reveal a human need.

Okay, but what good is it about God in the Bible provides a limited explanation of who he is, if we refuse to believe even that? It seems to me that God's statement that 'the Lord is One,' is so clear that it needs no further 'exhaustive for-clearance' or deeper understanding. The only thing we can do with such a clear-out talelse, if we do not want to believe it, is to try to explain away the! Why would anyone want to do it?

Section 3
We believe in a triune God, a term that is unknown in the Bible, but that covers the understanding of the Scripture gives of God. Some argue that this for-understanding is pagan in origin, since the expression does not occur in the Bible.

It is not because the term Trinity is not found in the Bible it is pagan heresy. This is because it is the advocate, does not match the Bible's content!

But in addition it also has a pagan origin. It was not a part of Christ's preaching, and it was not part of the church's confession of faith before the church meeting in the year 390 after Christ, and when originally by order of Emperor Constantine, who had made Christianity the Roman state religion in 321 years Trinity was introduced because the nations, especially Egypt, which at that time was under the Romans, revolted against the Jews to worship one God. In addition consisted all their pagan religions of the Holy Trinity, pagan deities. Only after that the Trinity was introduced as part of the Christian doctrine, they calmed down, cf. also the termination of the Sabbath.

We all know from our own Norwegian conditions that when the State exerts its power, to God's word 'surrender,' cf. abortion, female priests, gays and les-Episcopal priests and church servants, etc. In a few years all this will most likely be accepted practice in the Norwegian Church, and perhaps also in other religious communities. Those who dare to speak against, will be branded as heretics and out-offended!

Section 4
But if you use the word 'Millennium' on the biblical period of a thousand years, it is not to say that it is contrary to God's word.

Yes, this is true, but under the clear assumption that the phrase 'thousand-årsriket' will not be distorted to mean anything other than what the Bible describes.

Section 5
Father has probably always been regarded as God. But the doctrine of Christ and the Holy Spirit would also be God, created great controversy in the early fourth century.

Can there be any doubt that the Father is God? But the claim that Christ, the Son also is God, is blasphemous. It has in the past, both in the Norwegian Church and the Charismatic movement, meant that a lot of preachers standing up and crucify God, not Christ. It is this claim that led to Mary-worship, based on this argument: God is Christ. Mary is the mother of Christ. Thus, Mary is also Mother of God! (Read all means Romans 1:18-32) Think about that also in the relationship God / Christ is God the Creator and Christ cabinet-tion. - Besides, calling it a bell when you hear that this was not a relevant question before the 'beginning of the fourth century?'

Section 6
Arius, one of the leaders of the church in Alexandria, maintained that Christ was a created being and that the Holy Spirit was only God's power or the influence. The struggle lasted for several centuries and set so deep tracks that you find his followers today.

If Christ is done, made, born or expired, the nit-picking. It may also be of secondary interest to know what an old church Trustees of Alexandria thought about this for 1700 years ago. But God says about this, it will be harder to explain away! 'You are my Son. Today I have begotten you. '(DONATE 1:33 p.m., according to SAL 2:7.) Can the Father and the Son to be the same? Is not the Trinity Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 refers to as 'lying un-where?' Maybe this Arius still knew what he was talking about?

Section 7
The problem is thus not that the Father is God, but what place Christ and the Holy Spirit occupy in the Godhead. We will here attempt to define the Son and the Holy Ghost, the status of what is revealed in God's word.

Why should it be that the problem that the Father is God? How can it be a problem that Christ is God's only begotten son, when God says that is true? (John 3:16). And why is it so difficult to accept the Jeus even to-kjennegir that he and his father have the same spirit (behavior)? This is what is revealed in God's word. John 8:22 p.m.: "When he (Christ) had said this, he breathed on them and said unto them, Receive the Holy Spirit. 'Was that when a person he breathed into them? Of course not! See DONATE 1:4 and John 5:21 p.m..

Section 8
Already in the Bible the first chapter we find a reference to a deity. 'And God said, Let us make man in our image.' 1 Mos. 1.26. There are two things we should note. For one the name of God, from the Hebrew Elohim, the plural form. Second, it is followed by us and ours. The same is the case in 1 Mos. 3.22: 'Behold man is become as one of us.' Some would argue that the intent here is the Royal We, but John's gospel tells us that at least one person was present at the creation: 'He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, without him nothing was made of all that is. 'Joh.1, 2.3.

This was an awful lot bibelfabling! The fact that 'Elohim' (no capital letters in the Hebrew language) is used in the plural, equivalent to only the Norwegian language polite form of you, you, your, that is also the royal we. Correct: In John 1:3 says: 'All things were made through Him, and without him was nothing.' Yes, here is 'him' and not 'them.' Thus we see clearly who God spoke, and then a add quite a bit between the lines to be placed God's Holy Spirit in all this, having first made it into a person! Units not the Holy Spirit? And is not the Spirit that is from God, His power and behavior?

Section 9
A text that has created problems for many, is 5 Genesis 6.4: 'Hear, O Israel! Lord is one. 'If he is one, how can he be three? The idea can be illustrated from God's declaration to the first human pair, Adam and Eve, that they should be 'one flesh.' 1 Mos. 2.24. It is the same Hebrew word Echad is used, and it is in both cases as an expression of a complex entity.

This was a strange argument! First, take a basis in their own unbiblical claim that God is three persons and presents it as the absulutte Bible to seek truth! Thus, God's own clear statement that he is one, turned into a lie! Yes, here is the claim against the claim! But who has the best prerequisite for being able to know this, Finn Myklebust or God Almighty? 'If he is one?' Why should not God be the one when he says this? Sitting may find Myklebust built with the knowledge of this as God Almighty himself is not familiar with?

In addition, argues Myklebust on himself when he refers to the use of the word Echad. All understand that when God says of Adam and Eve that they should be 'one flesh,' as he turns not to the two separate individuals into one and the same person! It can only mean that they should constitute a close community! So also with God Almighty and His only begotten, el. only Son, Jesus Christ! Again, John 5:21 p.m. very clear here. And after reading John 5:21 p.m. become predicted target: 'Do you believe the Bible, or do you know this better myself?'

Section 10
It is interesting to note the language used in the Great Commission, where Jesus says that baptism should be performed in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 'Matt. 28:19. You would think that the name in this case would be in majority in the basic text, but Jesus says the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit as one, as he refers to them in the singular.

Of course, speaks of Jesus himself, his father, and their communal spirit that one (fel-lesskap). 'I and Faden, we are one.' (John 10:30) But he never suggests, not in the Bible, that they thus become one and the same person. Now read John 5:21 p.m., thoroughly, and forget it never, because then this becomes very clear! By the way, here are the contents of John 5:21 p.m.: "I pray that they all may be one, as thou, Father, are in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 'Does the fact that Christians should be one with God and Christ, that which makes God the Almighty? Of course not! No more than Christ! But here will be one, both God, Christ and all Christians. Thus, we understand, if we wish, that there is a community in the spirit of (behavior) in question. Finally: It's called name in both the singular and plural in Norwegian.

Section 11e
The New Testament authors did not deny Christ's deity. Paul says: 'In him the whole fullness of deity bodily present.' Kol.2, 9 Faced with his contemporary Jesus alluded repeatedly to his divine origin. On several occasions, his words considered profane because he forgave sins, received worship and wanted to make himself equal with God. In sharp contrast to Christ is the angel Gabriel and the Apostles who refused to accept worship, but instead referred to him as the true God.

Why was not Jesus 'alludes' to its divine origin? The fact that he was the Son of God was his main message, but he never claimed that he was God Almighty! Quite the contrary! He said on several occasions that he was the Son of God and that his father was bigger than him. Among the hundreds of Bible verses where Jesus said this, I will refer to the clear statement he makes in MAT 24:36: 'But that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father . 'In John 2:28 p.m., Jesus says clearly, among other things:' I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than me. 'Why is it so hard to believe these clear statements Jesus himself comes with? Is it because you know from experience that he is bad to lie?

So to worship: I am a bit unsure of where it says that Gabriel refused to accept worship, for he is only mentioned four times in the Bible, and only twice in the New Testament, in Luke 1:19 and 26, and then as the messenger. Muligenens can reference apply to the case in Revelation 7:10 p.m. where John would worship, bow down, before the angel, but was warned against this? Yes, there are many mis-conceptions out walking. The Greek word used in this case is pro-skuneo. In Matthew 28:9 it says about the women who met Jesus after the resurrection-that 'they came back and took on his feet (and worshiped him). The main meaning of the word proskuneo is 'to throw down at the feet of the reverent-Hot,' do not worship. We can show respect for who we want, God, Christ or a tramp in the street, but under the clear assumption that you show reverence, it is worthy of reverence. That they showed reverence Christ, and that he allowed this, far from proving that he is God Almighty! It says: 'The Lord your God shall you worship (proskuneo), and him only shalt thou serve (Latreuo).' (Matthew 4:10) It is thus 'serve,' the Greek 'Latreuo,' which here stands for the worship that only God will come to good, and the word Latreuo is used only of God Almighty in the basic text, and no one paid attention once about any others, including Jesus Christ, angels or disciples! (See accompanying list. Anyone who bothered to acquaint themselves with it, will see how clearly the Greek text diff-ing between God Almighty and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.)

For evidence of guilt do I print from the basic text Strong's H / G:
Matthew 4:10: tote lego iesous hupago hupago Satan grapho proskuneo curious theos Mono Latreuo

I also include the full meaning of the words proskuneo and Latreuo. (Sorry, english only.)

4352. proskuneo, pros-koo-neh'-o; from G4314 and a prob. there. of G2965 (mean. two kiss, like a dog licking His Master's hand), two fawn or crouch two, ie (Lit. or fig.) Dean rate oneself in homage (do REVerence two, adore) - worship.
3000. Latreuo, Lat ryoo'-o; from latris (a HIRED menial), two minister (to God), ie render religious homage: - serve, do the service, worship (-per).

Section 12
In particular, the Pharisees and the scribes were looking for Jesus because of his claim to be divine. 'Before Abraham was, I am.' Jn. 8:58, out-spake Jesus to the Jews. This caused a dramatic scene in which his country-men took up stones to kill him. The reaction was not accidental, for the Jewish law demanded the death penalty for blasphemy (3MO 24, 10 - 16, 23). The reason was that Jesus used a Gresten term in the Septuagint (LXX - Gresten translation of the Old Testament) was used as Jeho-Váh.

Jesus claimed all along that he was the Son of God, and never, not once, that he was God Almighty! It was Christ's repeated assertion that he was God's heavenly son of Pharisees rejected! That Jesus should have claimed otherwise, a latterkig thought, especially based on the Jews' clear understanding that God was one. It was their daily prayers since the exodus from Egypt!

This is the original Greek text of John 8:58:
John 8:58. iesous epo amen amen lego prin Abraam eimi

In Norwegian: 'Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, I *, before Abra-he was.' (Norwegian King James) MIC 5:1, Rev. 1:8 * Greek: ego eimi, God's own name , Lord. NB! The Lord is far from God's name! It's a title!

Not a single place in this text because Jesus uses a word that Jews may be offended by, apart from the claim that Jesus had been to before Abraham was, that in heaven as God's Son. To suggest otherwise, a false name, and mixing the Septuagint, the translation into this, only causes confusion for someone who has not been thoroughly into this, the claim is irrelevant. Furthermore, no: the Septuagint is a translation from Hebrew into Greek. There are not many Norwegians fortår it! The Hebrew word for the meaning of God's name Jehovah in 2MO 3:14 is hayah hayah (I'll finish, I'll finish), but some claim that God's own name is Greek, ego eimi, I am, and that every time Jesus said 'I am' påstar that he is God Almighty. This is and remains a bible falsification of dimensions! God's own name has never been Greek!

Section 13
By his reaction showed the Jews that they understood the words of Jesus as blasphemy. For he claimed attributes which only tilkom God. A similar situation is reproduced in John. 10.33, where it is said that they wanted to stone him because he gave himself out to be God.

The claim that Jesus 'gave himself out to be God,' is a direct lie! The Faria viewers wanted to stone him, was his clear statement that he was the Son of God! Read John 10:25, just 8 verses above. By the way, here is John 10:25. 'I have said to you, but you do not. The works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness about me. '

Section 14
Another clear proof that Christ is God, we find when we compare the Old and New Testament. When the Septuagint, the translation came about. year 200 BC., was the divine names Jehovah and Elohim translated into Greek respectively curious and Theos. Christ used the names of the Father. In Jn. 17.3 call him Father Theo, and Luke. 10.21 curious. But the same titles used the others about Christ. The angels who sang to the shepherds, calls him Christ the Lord. Luke 2:11. Doubting Thomas exclaimed: 'My Lord and my God.' Jn. 20.28. To emphasize this truth says Christ himself. 'You call me Teacher and Lord, and you are right, for I am.'

It is full of incorrect statements. Jehovah has never been translated curious. The Hebrew name that corresponds curious in the basic text is Adonai, the Hebrew word for Lord. The rest is so insane that it is almost impossible to answer. 'My Lord and my God' is only when an outbreak as either the counter who is God, or who is not God! And when Jesus says that they call him 'Master and Lord' rightly, as one should draw the truth quite far if one will try to get this to mean that Jesus himself claims that he is God Almighty! Yes, one must resort to many tricks when one attempts to explain away the Bible's clear because the truth!

Here is the basic text for JOH 17:3 houtos zoe aionios ginosko Mono alethinos theos iesous Christos at apostello

In Norwegian: 'And this is eternal life, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.' What is so strange that Jesus calls his Father, God? 'Moreover, there some Bible verses that clearly distinguishes between God and Christ than this?
Here is the basic text from LUK 10:21: hora iesous agalliao pneuma epo exomo-logeo Father curious Ouranos ge apokrupto Taut Sophos sunetos apokalupto nepios nai household of Narcissus Father houto ginomai Eudokia emprosthen

In Norwegian: 'In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit and said: "I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent, but revealed them to babes. How is it, Father, for this was pleasing to you. 'Yes, in this verse call Jesus God' Father 'twice. In addition, he refers to his father as 'Lord of heaven and earth.' Again, a draw truth quite far to get this to mean that Jesus claims that he is God, the all-powerful!

Section 15
Even more interesting is that when we compare a number of texts in the New Testament quoted from the old. Satan was trying to tempt Christ, and to stop him, said Christ: 'Thou shalt not tempt the Lord your God.' Matt. 4.7. Here he quotes 5 Mos. 6.16. The words Lord and God is equivalent to Jehovah and Elohim, names and titles that belong to the Godhead. If Christ was not God, he could never have used Jehovah and Elohim about themselves.

In this claim is a formidable biblical confusion. Again: Jehovah is God's own name and not a title, like 'Lord' is. And again: It is not God's own name as the resource text is 'Lord,' but the Hebrew name 'Adonai.' (Something else is it that modern translators have stopped using God's name, Jeho-Váh, and instead replaces it with 'Lord' in all contexts.) But here comes the big fallacy in: When Jesus says' you shall not tempt the Lord (in the basic text 'Adonai jehovih) your God,' is of course not himself he's talking about, but the Father, God Almighty! Christ has never used God's name, Jehovah, about themselves! One example of this is not a single time in the entire Bible! (Jesus' own name in Hebrew is Jehowshuwah, short Joshua which means Jehovah Savior, savior. See Appendix Three names on page 52)

I put the evidence of my claims also from the Hebrew:

1. Moses 15:2: 'Abram' amar 'Adonay yehovih mah nathan Halak' ariyriy legs mesheq bayith Huw '' eliy'ezer dammeseq
NB! This is the first time the phrase the Lord Jehovah is used in the Bible. The term is used throughout the 304 times in 294 verses. The most common spelling of God's personal name is Jehovah, (used throughout 6528 times in 5522 verses) and Je-hovih, but this is because of a Hebrew lydregel that is used when Jehovah, God's own name, stand together with the title 'Adonai.' Norwegian King James translates the expression 'Adonay jehovih' with 'Lord God.' The Norwegian Bible Society says, 'Lord, my God.' As you can see, both translations omitted God's own name. New World Translation of Jehovah's Witnesses use the 'Sovereign Lord Jehovah.' They have even put the word 'Superb.' It is not in the basic text.

Section 16
If we compare Ps. 45,7.8 with Heb. 1,8.9, we find that Christ is called God, and that statement comes from the Father. Also here is the Christ by his title referred to as the self-existent God. We can well understand why the Pharisees asked Jesus rebuke the disciples cried out: Blessed in the name of the Lord is King, he comes! 'Jesus answered: If they are silent, the stones will cry out!' Luke. 19,38.40. They called it the truth. It was the Pharisees who were wrong, for he was truly God. John writes: 'He is the true God and eternal life.' 1 Joh. 5.20.

Psalm 45:7-8. 'Your throne, O God, is forever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness. Therefore God, your God, anointed you with oil of gladness above thy brethren. 'Here we see clearly that David Reviews God Almighty also as Christ God.

Hebrews 1:8-9. But unto the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. You have loved righteous-ness and hated lawlessness. Therefore God, your God, anointed you with oil of gladness above your companions. 'Psalm 45:7-8
Yes, in the sentence that is underlined, it seems undeniable that Christ is called God Almighty by God Almighty himself. So is self-so is not the case! See the attached basic text:

Hebrews 1:8. huios thronos theos aion aion rhabdos euthutes rhabdos Basileia

For those who wish to acquaint themselves with the basic text, will see that the correct over-the submission should be: 'But about the Son of God is your throne forever and always -' Here we see clearly that the Psalms match the Hebrews, and it would as only fair! Hebereerne's a direct reference to the Psalms! One can not change the content because of a translation into another language!

NB! Some translators are so hung up on Trinity philosophy that the uncritical over-put the Bible to fit his own faith - contrary to the basic text!

As at 1 The epistles of John 5:20. 'We know that Gus's son has come, and he has given us understanding so that we know the True. And we are in Him, the True, we are in His Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. '

Many bibelfablere use this verse as the clearest proof that God is Christ. They think that when 'he' in the last line refers back to Jesus Christ, but it is not grammatically correct, for a personal pronoun does not return a compliment, in this case 'in his son Jesus Christ.' 'He 'indicates no return to' The True 'in the previous line, which is a compliment,' in him, the True. 'No,' he 'refers back to' The True, 'the last two words in the first line. Then the correct meaning based on correct grammar as follows: 'We know that the Son of God has come, and that he has given us understanding so that we know the True, he is the true God and eternal life, -'

By having pointed out this gives the most up to use this verse as proof that God is Christ, and find themselves nor anyone else who is more ambiguous.

Section 17
Some will have it that Christ is God because the Father has raised him to it, but that he is God from eternity. This does not match føgende words of the Prophet Esias: 'You are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen, that I may know and believe me and understand that I am God; before me was no God become , and for me it shall not come. 'Es. 43.10.

Yes, here, God Almighty is quite clear that before him there have been no all-powerful God, and after him should not get any! Where do the Christ? As God the Son, of course! And here, the Bible is crystal clear! By the way, if God raised Christ from the dead, how can Christ when even be God? Can a dead wake up dead? And when the dead God? On the cross? (DONATE 10:40, 13:30, ROM 4:24, GAJ 1:1 and 1 PE 1:21)

Section 18
But how can Christ be the 'one' (Jn 3:16) and the 'first-born' (Col. 1:15)? Christ was born when he was human, he is the only of its kind. There is no other like him, he is the only God who became man. Regarding the first-born, this has a special meaning in the Bible. It was he who had the special rights and should have the double portion of inheritance. Neither David or Ephraim was the first-born, but so are discussed. (Psalm 89.28, Jer. 31:9). Was he the first to be created, the situation would have been another, it created is different from the Creator, but it is born of the same kind.

This is not true! If Jesus in John 3:16 is referred to as God's only Son, or God's only begotten Son, may be just right, but from a fully mature understanding of the Greek word monogenes. What does it mean? Yes, that Christ was the only thing that God gave birth without the other's participation. Thus, he is also 'the first-born.' After this, everything was created by Christ. (JOH 1:3) Therefore, also referred to Christ as 'the first and the last,' (Rev. 2:8) for no other is directly born of God! By the way, if Christ is God, Christ when born themselves? In this case, is what God says in the SAL 2:7, the DONATE 1:33 p.m., in HEB 1:5 and 5:5 pure lie! Is God also bad to lie? The rest of this argument by Finn Myklebust is pure bibelfabling that the author must explain, if possible.

The Greek word for only one or only-begotten is monogenes. It is used 16 times in the following verse 9: LUK 7:12, 8:42, 9:38, John 1:14, 1:18, 3:16, 3:18, HEB 11:17 and 4:19 1JO . Read these verses in a row. The word is used of Christ as God's only Son, but also of the widow of Nain's son. And in Hebrews it is used of Isaac as Abraham's only electricity. only begotten son. How should we understand it? Abraham had more sons than Isaac?

Section 19
There are many interesting things that illustrate the relationship between Christ as God and Christ as a man, but what about the Holy Spirit? We meet the Holy Spirit the first time at the Creation, where he hovers over the waters (1 Mos. 1.2), and we meet him in the Bible last chapter when he comes to man with his last request (Revelation 22.17). The Bible says that Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit. At Jesus baptism, we meet the third person in the Godhead, and once again shows Christ to him.

The entire first chapter of 1 Moses deals with the physical creation, and more! The 'Spirit of God hovered over the water surface' means simply that it blew over the earth! (It is in such verse as this is the most skilled bibelfablerne comes into its own!) The hebaiske word for 'spirit' is 'ruwach.' Main meaning is breath, wind, storm, smell, etc. I will post when printing from the basic text as evidence for my claim! (In John 3:8 is 'pneuma, spirit' over-set with 'wind.' And in 1 Moses 27:27 is 'ruwach, spirit' translated 'odor, scent.')

1. Moses 1:2. <307 ruwach, roo'-akh; from H7306; wind, by resemblance breath, ie a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; Fig. life, regret, unsub-stantiality; by Extens. a region of the sky, by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (includ. its expression and functions): - air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ( [-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([Whirl-]) wind (-y). (Sorry, English only)

Section 20
Many have seen the Holy Spirit as a being without personality, but only as a divine as Fderen used to exercise his will. Bi-belen, however, describes the Holy Spirit in a very different way. The key to the Holy Spirit's nature and function is found in Jesus' farewell speech to his disciples: 'I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter.' Jn. 14.16. The expression 'another advocate' is an interesting statement. The Holy Spirit is the 'Comforter' and the link tells what lies in the expression. The word 'advocate' comes from the Greek prekletos meaning one that is on equal footing with. In 1 John. 2.1 is also referred to Christ as an advocate, and the Holy Spirit is thus the same kind as Christ, and are on equal footing with him. The Greek word Allos, translated by another 'other,' meaning, of the same kind. The Holy Spirit is thus the same kind as the Christ. Note that the same text is used the personal pronoun he. The Holy Spirit is described as an independent person, not just as a power or influence. Paul gives evidence of the Holy Spirit's features by stating that he is in possession of the intellect (1 Cor. 2:11), will (1 Cor. 12.11) and sense (Eph. 4.30). These properties can only be linked to individuals. In addition to this we find that he is as a personality when he speaks (Hebrews 10.15), teacher (John 14:26), witnesses (John 15:26), convicts (John 11.8) supervisor hear and teach (John 16:13), prevents and denies (Acts. 16,6.7), decide (Acts. 15:28), inserts in the office (Acts. 20:28) and goes intercession (Romans 8.26). These properties belong to a conscious personality and not a power or influence.

Jesus spoke only in images and parables. (Mark 4:33-34). When Jesus in John 8:22 p.m. breathed (breathe) on the disciples and said: 'Receive the Holy Spirit!' Was as a person he breathed into the disciples? Of course not! Then it becomes easier to understand, but perhaps difficult for many to accept, that when Jesus omtar his own and his father shared spirit of 'a spokesman' he speaks in pictures. This would be easier to accept if one had ovarsatt 'spokesman' with 'mentor' as most English translators make. But since we are on the Norwegian use the word 'interim-man,' see many therefore easier for a person. It is so far from the case! The Holy Spirit is, all bibelfabling aside, God and Christ shared spirit (be-way and power), neither more nor less. (Galatians 5:16-26)

It should be unnecessary to go any further into this, for either a humble and correct their faith according to God's word, or think one that knows this better myself. One factor that clearly illustrates this, can be: When Christ in John 1:29 and 36 is referred to as the Lamb of God, you see him for yourself on all fours while he chews grass? Or do you understand that this is figurative language. So also with the word 'interim-man.'

Section 21
The comparison of the Holy Spirit's work with what Jesus was up by, we understand that he is an advocate like Jesus Christ. Augustine says: 'Go to Jordan, then you see the Trinity.'

Who is this Augustin? Is it one that is more biblical credibility than God Almighty? Read Colossians 2:8.

Section 22
At Jesus' baptism, we meet the Son in human form who receive the Spirit of God and hear the Father's words of love. The same attention is given to the people who enter into a covenant with God, for they baptized in the Father and Sun-tion's and the Holy Spirit.

How can Jesus receive the Spirit of God and hear the Father's words if he is both the spirit and the Father? If no such claim 'a lies below?' Or as 'nonsense from women,' as Paul says?

Section 23
We can not understand God, but who will find that his plan and the idea is perfect.

Yes, that was when we agree on something finally!

In closing:
What is the Holy Spirit? In the following two Bible verses Jesus explains gan-ske clear what it means to receive the Holy Spirit. Are we to believe Christ, or should we believe all these religious fablerne standing up and run Christ a liar?

LUK 24:49. 'I am sending upon you what my Father has promised. But you should be in the city until you are clothed with power from on high. '(And power was the Holy Spirit.)

DONATE 1:8 "But ye shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and ye shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria, and unto the ends. '(Also here was the power of the Holy Spirit.)

By the way -
Who raised Christ from the dead? He himself? (Acts 10:40, 13:30, Romans 4:24, Galatians 1:1, Colossians 2:12, 1 Peter 1:21)
Who called him on when he died on the cross? Himself? (Matthew 27:46)
Who asked him to Gethsemane? Himself? Was it a charade? Can Kris's status have been so fake? (Matthew 26:39)
If Christ was born themselves? If 'yes,' can he be God's only begotten Son? (John 3:16)
When Christ sat down at his Father's right hand, was it himself, he sat down next? (Luke 22:69, Hebrews 10:12)
When Christ for the thousand years should surrender the kingdom to his Father, who is there when he surrenders to the Kingdom? Himself? (1 Corinthians 15:24)
Can father and son ever be more or fewer than two? If 'yes' is not such a claim as a 'lies below?' See 2 Thessalonians 2:9!
The answer to the original question 'How can one God be three persons at once?' Is therefore simple: It is not only an impossibility! There is also an allegation that clearly goes against God's word!
Quote from Jesus Christ: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God is one! This is the greatest commandment? '(MAR 12:29, 5MO 6:4)
God will honor you, and only him shalt thou serve

Through the Trinity, it taught that God the Almighty, his one-borne Son Jesus Christ and their common power and behavior, the Holy Spirit are one and the same person. However, the three different people!

In 2 Thessalonians Paul warns strongly against this doctrine. He calls it 'a lies below.' And he's certainly his words intact, for if this is not a lie-in, there are no lies below! And in his second and most recent letter to his closest friend and fellow worker Timothy, Paul writes in 2TI: 4:4, NKJ: 'And they turn their ears away from truth, and they will turn to myths.'

This delusion has meant that it has become customary to crucify God instead of Jesus. Particularly true of the Norwegian Church through the Trinity. A female priest who preached that it was God who died on the cross, explained it this way when she was asked who had raised him from the dead: 'As the all-powerful God, he had the power to raise himself up from the dead. And he ruled the course of heaven while he was lying dead in the grave! '*
* Quote from the chaplain Valborg anger at her office in Sveio City Hall on Tuesday 25/05/04, at. 12.10.

The Pentecostal Church preaches this doctrine. They do not use the term three-agreed doctrine that they believe represents the state church. They have instead adopted a wording that refers to the Godhead, God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. They are talking about the three persons in the Godhead, that the doctrine is identical.

Both in the Norwegian Bible Society and the Norwegian King James' translation, they have gone so far that they have adjusted the text to adapt to this doctrine, for example. MAT 28:9, John 1:1 and John 1:18, just to name a few verses.

In MAT 4:10, NKJ, Jesus says to Satan, 'the Lord your God will honor you, and him only shalt thou serve.'

The word to serve the Latreuo in Greek. It is in the Greek texts used only of God Almighty, and never about his only begotten Son Jesus Christ. If you bother to put you into the table on the next page, you will see how clearly the Bible distinguishes between God and Christ - without exception!

proskuneo = honor; erbrukt 60 times in the following 54 verses in the Greek:

MAT 2:2, 2:8, 2:11, 4:9, 4:10, 8:2, 9:18, 14:33, 3:25 p.m., 18:26, 20:20, 28:9, 28 : 17
MAR 5:5, 15:9
LUK 4:7, 4:8, 24:52
JOH 4:20, 4:21, 4:22, 4:23, 4:24, 9:38, 12:20
DONATE 7:43, 8:27, 10:25, 24:11
1KO 2:25 p.m.
HEB 1:6, 11:21
Rev 3:9, 4:10, 5:14, 7:11, 9:20, 11:1, 11:16, 13:4, 13:8, 1:12 p.m., 1:15 p.m., 14:7, 14 : 9, 14:11, 15:4, 16:2, 19:4, 7:10 p.m., 7:20 p.m., 20:4, 22:8, 22:9

diakoneo = help; is used 40 times in the following 32 verses in the Greek text:

MAT 4:11, 8:15, 8:28 p.m., 25:44, 27:55
MAR 1:13, 1:31, 10:45, 15:41
LUK 4:39, 8:3, 10:40, 15:41
JOH 12:2, 12:26
DONATE 6:2, 19:22
2KO 3:3, 8:19, 8:20
ROM 3:25 p.m.
FLM 1:13
HEB 6:10
1TI 3:10, 3:13
2TI 1:18
1PE 1:17 eulogeo = bless, is used 42 times in the following 40 verses in the Greek:

MAT 5:44, 14:19, 21:9, 11:39 p.m., 25:34, 26:26
MAR 6:41, 8:7, 10:16, 11:9, 11:10, 14:22
LUK 1:28, 1:42, 1:64, 2:28, 2:34, 6:28, 9:16, 1:35 p.m., 19:38, 24:30, 24:50, 24:51, 24 : 53
JOH 12:13
1KO 4:12, 10:16, 14:16
GAL 3:9
ROM 12:14
FIU 1:3
HEB 6:14, 7:1, 7:6, 7:7, 11:20, 11:21
JAK 3:9

sebomai = fear, respect-sent, is used 10 times in the following verse in the Greek text:

MAT 15:9
MAR 7:7
DONATE 1:43 p.m., 1:50 p.m., 16:14, 17:4, 5:17 p.m., 18:7, 18:13, 7:27 p.m.

proseuchomai = pray (in, to, too), is used 90 gan-ger in 82 verses, including in MAT:

MAT 5:44, 6:5, 6:6, 6:7, 6:9, 2:23 p.m., 7:13 p.m., 11:14 p.m., 24:20, 26:36, 26:39, 26:41, 26 : 42, 26:44 epikaleomai = call; is used 38 times in the following 32 verses in the Greek:

MAT 10:3
LUK 22:3
DONATE 1:23, 2:21, 4:36, 7:59, 9:14, 9:21, 10:5, 10:18, 10.32, 11:13, 12:12, 12:25, 15 : 17, 15:22, 22:16, 25:11, 25:12, 25:21, 25:25, 26:32, 28:19
1KO 1:2, 1:23
2KO 1:23
ROM 10:12, 10:13, 10:14
HEB 11:16
2TI 2:22
HEB 11:16
1PE 1:17

Latreuo = serve, is used 21 times in the 20 following verse in the Greek text:

MAT 10:3
LUK 1:74, 2:37, 4:8
DONATE 7:7, 7:42, 24:14, 26:7, 27:23
ROM 1:9, 1:25
FILE 3:3
HEB 8:5, 9:9, 9:14, 10:2, 12:28, 1:10 p.m.
Rev. 7:15, 22:3

The word Latreuo is in the Greek text used only if the Almighty God and not his only begotten Son Jesus Christ.

John 1:1. - If God is Christ?

The Norwegian Bible Society: JOH 1:1-2: 1 'In the beginning was the Word. Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. '

To find the right meaning of these two verses, we must in the original Greek text. In addition, it is useful to have a minimum of knowledge of grammar-tick.

Greek: JOH 1:1 arche logos logos logos theos theos 2 houtos arche theos
JOH 1:1, trans-literary (translated word for word) from Greek to Norwegian from English.
arche logos logos logos theos theos
beginning words words words God God
(I) beginning (was) the Word. The word (was in) God, (and) the word (was) God

As you can see we need to insert both using verbs and prepositions to translate this into usable Norwegian and English. The Greek language has not the indefinite or specific article. And if we read verses 1 and 2 carefully, we see that 'he was with God' is repeated twice in succession, but it is unlikely that the author intended to emphasize that 'he was with God' twice in succession when the main contents of John's message was that Christ was of God. From this I translate as follows: In the beginning was the Word, the Word was of God and the Word was a god. He was in the beginning with God. Here I have in verse 1 used a 'god.' Can it be correct? We shall see.

In Acts 28:6 says, 'They expected him to swell up and immediately fall down dead. When they had waited a long time without seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said that he was a god. 'I take the last two words in the last sentence in Greek: Lego theos. These two words are translated as: '- and said that he was a god.' Do you see that the indefinite article is missing in the basic text of these two verses, both in the message of John (JOH 1:1) and Acts (APG 28:6) and that the translation is taken in conjunction with Paul, but omitted in connection with Christ? One thing is certainly for sure: It must either be omitted in both places, or be in both places! But since there is no indefinite article in Greek, but it does it in Norwegian, it must of course be included - in both places! NB! No big letters on ancient Greek!
Is not the indefinite article deliberately omitted in JOH 1:1 that we should believe that God is Christ, when we know that the Word is Christ? And it is not inserted in Acts 28:6 as 'a god' because it would be absurd to claim that they believed that Paul was God Almighty? This is a clear and deliberate falsification Bible! Those who have done this, you know better!

- By the way, in verse 2: Can the 'word' to God (the Almighty) when he was with God? In Psalm 82:6 says, 'I have said that you are all gods, for the high-Estes sons are all of you.'

God means 'mighty.' Thus, the full meaning of this verse as follows: 'In the beginning was the Word, the Word was from God (the mighty), and the Word was a god (divine, powerful).'

Full and correct translation of John 1:1-2 is the following:

JOH 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, the Word was from God (The Mighty) and the Word was a god (a mighty, a mighty word).

JOH 1:2. He (the Word that is Christ) was in the beginning with God (the mighty).

For me personally, this represents a clear and deliberate falsification Bible from the Norwegian Bible Society page!

John 1:18. - If God is Christ?

This is also a Bible verse that the trinity advocates are used as proof that God Almighty and God's only begotten Son Jesus Christ are one and the same person. In the Norwegian Bible Society (DnB) translation, this is written out:

DNB, JOH 1:18. No one has ever seen God, but the only begotten Son, who is God, and that is the bosom of the Father, he has shown us who he is. (If he was God, can he still be in God's bosom?)
Notice the small inserted the phrase that is God here. The show returns to the only-begotten, as everyone knows, Jesus Christ. So clearly it can therefore be formulated in a translation that God Almighty and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ are one and the same person.

In the Norwegian King James (NKJ) it says: No one has ever seen God. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has explained to him.

In this translation, we see that the only begotten Son remains Son, not Father, but Jesus as the Son is the one that has folklart us how the Father is. We understand at once that both of these translations can not be correct. What is wrong?

In the New International Version (NIV) says: No one ha ever seen God, but the One and Only, Who is that the Fathers side, ha made Him known.

We see that this translation is quite identical to the NKJ.

To stand in the Greek text? oudeis oudeis horao popoto popoto popoto monogenes monogenes huios she kolpes Father exegeomai

NB! When a word is understket in Greek, it will be repeated once or twice, as the bend of an adjective, eg big, bigger, biggest. The word popoto means never (read human). Mono Genes means the only expired from, enbåren or even only one. Huios means son of, or rather the offspring, for it is used in the same sense both animals and humans.

This is not the easy seat of verses in Greek, but it does not require a long study to see that the little phrase that is God, is paid in the DNB. (God = theos in Greek, and note that the word is not found in this verse.) Nor is it in the Greek text. The words are directly and consciously added that we are to believe Professor Valen Senstad philosophy that God Almighty and His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ is one and the same person!

For me personally, this represents a clear and deliberate falsification Bible from the Norwegian Bible Society page!

John 10:30. - If God is Christ?

In John 10:30 says, covenants, 'I and my Father are one.'
Dert Norwegian Bible Society, 'I and the Father are one.'
Norwegian King James: 'I and the Father, we are one.'
Norwegian new world: 'I and the Father are one.'

As you can see there are almost 100% concordance in interpretation. Yet this simple verse exposed to a formidable bibelfabling for Jeus statement on the immediate community, he has to his Heavenly Father, is the treenighetsfor-fighters used as evidence that Jesus here says that he is God Almighty. And as further evidence for this, those of Jesus' statement in MAT 19:5-6. There Jesus says:
MAT 19:5. 'Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave to his woman, and they shall become one flesh.' 1MO 2:24
MAT 19:6. When they are no longer two but one. And - what God hath joined together, joined, let no man separate from each other. "
Here they show that Jesus says that they are no longer two but one. Such an interpretation is crazy, because everyone knows that no matter how long the two spouses are living together as one flesh (have sex), they are still all the time two different people.
So it is with the relationship between God and Jesus. Uansettt how close together they have, and no matter how long this lasts communities, they will never be the same person, no more than Adam and Eve were, or any other married couple. A son can not feed themselves!
In addition, Jesus explains what he means when he says that he and his Father are one. And the explanation is found in John 5:21 p.m.. And this is a good example of how the Bible explains itself, without exception. But it is not always easy to find the thread. But here it is indisputably clear!
JOH 17:21-22, Covenant: 'I pray that they all may be one, so you are one with me, and I'm with you. I pray that they also may be one with us, that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 I have given them the same glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one - I in them and you in me. '
If what Jesus says in John 10:30, meant that he was God Almighty, it would, he says in JOH 5:21 p.m. African clearly mean he says that all Christians are God Almighty. Such interpretation is absurd! If you did not take the point, then read it again.
In 1 Corinthians 3:6-8, Paul writes: 'I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So then is it that plants anything, nor he who waters, but only God who gives growth. The watering and the plants are one, and each shall receive his salary for his work. '
Here you see that Paul calls himself, he planted, and Apollos, whom the water, for one. Do you think he means that they suddenly became one and the same person? Such interpretations are ridiculous. And the same applies to the relationship between God and Christ!
Finally - what is 'lying in' which Paul refers in 2 Thessalonians 2:9?

ROM 9:5. If God is Christ?

Romans 9:5 is a Bible verse that is incorrectly translated in most Bibles, and it is done deliberately and cleverly to mislead readers into thinking that God is Christ:

The Norwegian Bible Society, DNB: 'You (promises) belong to the process clean, and from them is the Christ, as a man, who is God over all things, promised forever. Amen. '

It shows the translation to the man Christ is 'the one who is God over all things.'

Norwegian King James, NKJ: 'The fathers belonged to them (promises), and from them (the fathers), Christ is come after the flesh, who is over all, the eternal well-blessed God. Amen. 'It also shows the translation of God as Christ.

Norwegian new world, NPV: 'You (promises) belongs to the ancestors, and from it sprang Christ after the flesh - God, who is over all be blessed forever. Amen. 'Here comes a little unclear that God is Christ.

New Interantinal Versi, U.S., have translated this verse in three varieties: one tree research, a cross, and after the text: 1 Their are the Patriarch, and from retardation is traced the human ancestry of Christ, Who is God over all, forever praised , Amen. '(Here is the Christ God.) 2 - Christ, Who is over all. Good pray forever praised. '(Here Christ of God.) 3 - Christchurch. God, Who is above all, pray forever praised. Amen. '(Here is God over all.)

Greek: 9:5 with the Father in kata sarx Christos ho epi pas theos eulogetos aion amen Norwegian, word for word: as ancestors who after the flesh Christ who is above all praise be to God forever. Amen. NB! No marks or capital letters in the ancient Greek language! Ancient Greek has no hvelpeverb, per-own personal pronouns or prepositions. As you can see, this is easy to translate, and it is almost usable Norwegian only by translating word for word. All you need to do is put a dot after Christ, the meaning becomes clear.

Romans 9:5, Covenant: This (belonged to) was to our fathers, and from them is the Christ come (descended) in the flesh! He who is above all, our God, be blessed forever! Amen.

What is right? Yes, Paul, in the verses before shown to the blessings God had chosen ancestors, ending litany of the most important of all, that Christ descended from ancestors that promises were made.

'He was Abraham's son and David's Son. "(MAT 1:1) The last sentence in verse 5 is a praise to God Almighty because he has done all this, and especially because he sent Christ to earth as man's Rescue!

NB! Here NKJ used commas instead of periods, and there is NOK for Jesus in their translation is to God Almighty. So subtle it can be done! See for yourself. It is NOK the comma is replaced with a dot, then, Jesus is again God's only begotten Son.

But, why all this Bible falsification? If we translate the Bible to falsify it, is not it better to stay far away?

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The Lutheran confessional writings of Dr. Philos Olav Valen Senstad, 1957, page 43 and 44

About the three-personal God's unity. The Athanasian Creed, written against the Aryans.
The rates 1 -26.

01. Anyone will be saved, must above all else stick to the common (general) Christian faith.

02. Anyone who does not affirm the right and inviolate, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

03. The common Christian faith as this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in one God.

04. And neither mixes individuals or separates one being.

05. For the Father is one person, person of the Son another, and the Holy Spirit person again another.

06 But the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is a single deity - as in glory, and of the eternal majesty.

07. Such, the Father is, such is the Son and such is the Holy Spirit.

08. The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, and the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

09. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal and the Holy Spirit is eternal.

10. And yet there are not three eternals but one eternal.

11. Just as it is not three uncreated, and not three immeasurable, but there is one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

12. Just as the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

13. And yet there are not three omnipotent, but one Almighty.

14. Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.

15. And yet there are not three Gods but one God.

16. Thus the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Spirit is Lord.

17. And yet there are not three Lords but one Lord.

18. For though we, as Christian truth confessed, speaking individually about each person as both God and Lord, that prohibits, however, the common faith to speak of three Gods or three Lords.

19. The Father is neither made, created or born of anyone.

20. Son of the Father alone, neither made or created, but begotten.

21. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son, neither made or created, but outgoing.

22. So there is one Father, not three Fathers - one Son, not three Sons, - a holy spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

23. And in this Trinity is no first or last, no more or less.

24 But all three persons are coeternal with each other and of equal size, so that what is stated above, through all, both the Trinity in unity and unity in the Trinity as the Trinity.

25 The wish to be saved, he must insist that the Trinity!
(The rest, bet 27-40, see below chapter 5, A).

In the Apology, art. I, of God, writes Melanchthon as a comment to CA, Art I, (of God), and the Roman Catholic opponents relative to the:
Labor Party. I, 1-2. Our opponents accept the first article in our Confession, where we represent that we believe and teach that there is a single, eternal, indivisible divine essence, yet three distinct persons in the divine nature: equally powerful, equally eternal, God the Father , God the Son and God the Holy-Spirit. This article, we have always defended and maintained, and it is as safe and solid testimony of the Scriptures that no one incapable of spinning it. and we confirm steadily that anyone who wants to learn it differently, outside the Church of Christ, and the idol-worshipers, and blasphemers.
In schmalkaldiske articles, Part I, summarizes Luther 'the high articles about the divine majesty' 'that there is some controversy about between us and our opponents because both parties acknowledge it - why it is not necessary to treat them more.
A. SM. I, 1-4. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons in one divine being and nature, one God who created heaven and earth.
2. Father is of none, the Son is begotten of the Father, the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son
3 Not the Father and the Holy Spirit, but the Son was made man.
4 The Son became man as he no man's participation has been treat-trapped by the Holy Spirit and born of the pure, holy Virgin Mary. Then he suffered, died and was buried, descended into hell, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and sits at God's right hand, will come again and judge the living and the dead, etc. Thus teaching the apostles, the Athanasian confession and our general catechism for children.

Understand you any of this? No, not me either. And no other. Those who defend this unbiblical philosophy, clearly specify that this should not be for-stås, but faith. And thus it is an insult to the spirit of God's word!
It is thus that you confirm to believe if you confess to the trinitarian doctrine. And this is part of the Norwegian Church's creed, the official tree research proportionality doctrine.
Fallacy in relation to God's word speaks for itself here, but I still want to comment on this point by point:

Point 01 Anyone will be saved, must above all else stick to the common (general) Christian faith.

Point 01 Which of these philosophers is that which has been authorized by God to decide who should be saved, saved, or perish eternally? (MAT 7:1-2) And what is the common (general) Christian faith? Is the State Church? Or is it the Catholic Church?

Point 02 Anyone who does not affirm the right and inviolate, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

Point 02 This unbiblical doctrine must therefore be retained intact and inviolate, or you will without doubt perish eternally, claiming the clergy! Where it says in the Bible? When God gave people the right to judge?

Point 03 The common Christian faith as this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in one God.

Point 03 This not understand, but the world for a good foundation for their own philosophical!

Point 04 And neither mixes individuals or separates one being.

Point 04 This understanding does not. And it's no wonder, by the way, for it is not based on biblical teachings, but only on their own philosophical reflections. Read what Paul warns against this, and other unbiblical teaching in Colossians 2:8, DNB, 'Make sure no one gets caught you with the wisdom teachings and vain deceit that rests on human tradition and shallow in this world - not from Christ. '

Point 05 For the Father is one person, person of the Son another, and the Holy Spirit person again another.

Point 05 Yes, this is known to learn, even from churches outside the state church, especially from the Pentecostal Church and other charismatics who often talks about 'The third person in the Godhead.' Can you find a single verse where it says in the Bible? Will not this doctrine under the Paul warns in 2 Thessalonians 1:9 and calls 'a lies below?'

Point 06, but the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost is a single deity - as in glory, and of the eternal majesty.

Point 06 It is alleged that the Father and the Son are equal in glory and majesty of the eternal. What Jesus said in JOH 2:28 p.m.: 'If you loved me, ye would rejoice that I go to my Father: for my Father is greater than I am.' Who is lying? In Revelation 3:14, NKJ, it says straight out that Jesus is 'God's creation began.' DNB has forged this verse and writes 'the origin of God's creation.' If Jesus was the 'origin of God's creation,' has to he would have been before God!

Point 07 Such, the Father is, such is the Son and such is the Holy Spirit.

Point 07 We understand that God and Christ through God's Holy Spirit, God and Christ's public behavior, closely together, but we must get away from this unbiblical nonsense that the Holy Spirit is a person! In JOH 8:22 p.m. breathed Jesus on the disciples and said: 'Receive the Holy Spirit.' Was that when a person he breathed into them? It can not be that Father and Son are the same person! That's right, when Paul calls this 'a vain deceit.' The same applies to the doctrine of eternal torment in hell!

Point 08 The Father is immeasurable, the Son is immeasurable, and the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.

Point 08 Okay, but this is and remains an unexplained assertion with no basis in the Bible. In John 3:34, NKJ, is exactly the opposite: 'He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, but God giveth not the Spirit by measure.' And this means much of that spirit is immeasurable, but that not everyone gets the same amount of God's spirit. DNB wrote that 'the spirit is given in full measure.' It does not match because the text! When two translations are so directly contradictory to this, it is no wonder that people who read it get confused! But be aware of one thing: The Norwegian Bible Society translation accord is not primarily with the basic text, but with Luther and the Norwegian Church's teachings!

Point 09 The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal and the Holy Spirit is eternal
Point 09 Yes, this claim is by and large straightforward NOK according to the Bible, but it does not mean that God and Christ have the same origin. In Psalm 2:7, cf. Also HEB 1:5, God says of Christ: 'Today I have begotten you. You are my Son. '

Point 10 And yet there are not three eternals but one eternal.

Point 10 In Section 9, it was emphasized that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three eternal. At this point is only one eternal. Which of the three eternal in the previous point is it then that disappears?

Point 11 Just as it is not three uncreated, and not three immeasurable, but there is one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

Point 11 This not understand. It is out philosophy.

Point 12 Just as the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

Point 12 This is left empty philosophy. I know you have heard of God Almighty. But have you ever read the Bible about the Son of the Almighty or the Almighty Holy Spirit? When Jerus explains that he has sat on his father's throne, is this graphically that the power he exerts, directly from God.

Point 13 And yet there are not three omnipotent, but one Almighty.

Point 13 Compared to the previous point, you can find a clearer self-contradicting gel than this? Yet this point is correct.

Point 14 Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God.

Point 14 God does mighty, so it is hard to deny that either Christ or the Holy Spirit is powerful, but they are not God Almighty! Moreover, it is important to be aware that the Holy Spirit is identical with God's personality, a personality that also Kristis have in common with his father. Spirit, the Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit has never been, nor never will be, a person!

Point 15 And yet there are not three Gods but one God.

Point 15 Yes, - which hit the nail on the head! God says the same thing on several occasions, including in 5 Moses 6:4-5. Jesus confirms this in Mark 12:29 and James in 2:19. But that's just the opposite in Section 14! Yet it is so that Jesus is a god - a powerful. The prophets of the first covenant, those who received the Spirit of God to prophesy, is in the Bible referred to as gods - powerful. But we all understand that it is never God Almighty! It is not God's only (Group Images monogenes = only expired from) the Son, Jesus Christ!

Point 16 Thus the Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Spirit is Lord.

Point 16 Both God and Christ are described as men in the Bible, and many others, including call Sara Abraham for 'my lord.' But the Holy Spirit is never once been called the master of the Bible. See for yourself in the Bible if you can make my claim to shame?

Point 17 And yet there are not three Lords but one Lord.

Point 17 Again, this is exactly the opposite of the statement they made last verse! Furthermore, that right is not the Bible that there is only one Lord. Both God and Christ is in the Bible referred to as Lord, but, naturally NOK, not the Holy Spirit! Also at this point is point 16 in conflict with the Bible.

Point 18 For though we, as Christian truth confessed, speaking individually about each person as both God and Lord, that prohibits, however, the common faith to speak of three Gods or three Lords.

Point 18 There contradicted themselves again! But this contradiction, though it is philosophically derived, is correct NOK. However, 'when the Christian sannehet be confessed,' it is contrary to the spirit of God to preach anything that does not match the word of God!

Point 19 The Father is neither made, created or born of anyone.

Point 19 Correct! God is from everlasting to everlasting! It is among several other places in Nehemjah 9:5.

Point 20 Son of the Father alone, neither made or created, but begotten.

Point 20 Correct! Christ is God's only begotten Son! (JOH 3:16) But when God shows that he has given birth to Christ, is it no one imagines God nine months pregnant. This is a biblical spelling which refers to the closeness of God to Christ, and Christ to God, in relation to the rest of creation. It stands out in Rev. 3:14 that Christ is God's creation began.

Point 21 The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son, neither made or created, but outgoing.

Point 21 Correct! Hat trick! And then they explain exactly what the Holy Spirit is of God and Christ's joint force and manner! The Holy Spirit has never been a person!

Point 22 So there is one Father, not three Fathers - one Son, not three Sons, - a holy spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

Point 22 Correct again! Yet this truth in direct contrast to many previous claims. But it may not be such that if any allegations are correct, is also the false claims a part of God's truth. The doctrine of the triune God is and remains a philosophical Svada in direct conflict with the Bible's basic truths about a sovereign God, his only Son Jeus Christ and their common power and behavior, the Holy Spirit.
Point 23 And in this Trinity is no first or last, no more or less.

Point 23 And then repeat the bluff they came with in Section 06 that are in direct contradiction of Jesus 'clear voice in John 2:28 p.m.:' You have heard that I have told you that I go away, but comes back to you. If you loved me, ye would rejoice when I say: "I go to my Father: for my Father is greater than me." 'Why is it so difficult for so-called Christians to accept this as Jesus said so clearly and so directly ? Is it because he is so horrible to lie? Or - could it be that many so-called Christians in high positions set themselves higher than Christ?

Point 24 But all three persons are coeternal with each other and of equal size, so that what is stated above, through all, both the Trinity in unity and unity in the Trinity as the Trinity.

Point 24 First, they repeat the previous lie once, then continue with Svada to explain away the lie! If you want to know God's truth, then put it carefully into the track of the Bible verse where The Bible, the basic text, write worship and serve, (the list until the end of the Is God Christ?) And you will see that these two areas, God has reserved for entirely for themselves. Neither of these two words are ever in the Bible grunntekts used in connection with other than God Almighty, and never, not once, in connection with Christ or any other biblical people!

Point 25 Those who wish to be saved, he must insist that the Trinity!

Point 25 Now I panic! There are some people who claim that I'm going to be lost forever! And for them it means an eternal torment in an eternal burning hell! And why should I be lost forever as they and their heresy preacher? Yes, it's because I chose to believe God's word and to reject the philosophical nonsense that was written on behalf of the Norwegian Church as late as 1957 by the church's own philosopher Olav Valen Senstad! How can any so-called Christian people usurp the right to condemn others to eternal damnation - and this despite the fact that they represent, is gross heresy?
What is the correct

Point 19 The Father is neither made, created or born of anyone.

Point 20 Son of the Father alone, neither made or created, but begotten.

Point 21 The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son, neither made or created, but outgoing.

These three punk make up the whole truth!

It says that the Father has an undetermined origin. He is a force that has always been and always will be, from everlasting to everlasting. Without this power will collapse the entire universe.

Here we see that the Son is begotten of the Father. He is God's only begotten son. Can they be of the same origin? Have you ever seen or heard of a Father and a Son who has the same origin, ie born at once?

This is also correct, because the Holy Spirit is a picture of the joint force and behavior that emanates from God and Christ. Thus it should be abundantly clear that the Holy Spirit is not a person but a force and a guide to living a straight life for God's norm.

Each second of these points is dierkte falsehood and is a philosophical Svada only likely to confuse people! The sum of them is a lie in! (ROM 1:18-32, 2TE 2:1-12)

Three names
yehovah, yehuwdah, yehowshuwa '

Word 1: yehovah
Strong's Hebrew / Greek:
1. Moses 2:4: 'el-Leh towledah shamayim' eretsb bara 'yowm yehovah' elohiym 'asah' erets shamayim

The Norwegian Bible Society:
1MO 2:4 This is the story of heaven and earth when they were created. At that time the Lord God made earth and heaven, -

The first time God's personal name, Jehovah, is used in the Bible, in 1 Moses 2:4. As you can see is not the name of God, Jehovah, used in the Norseman Bible translation company. It is translated as 'Lord.' It is not used in any other Norwegian translation except Jehovah's Witnesses New World Translation. Does the word 'Jehovah' Lord? Of course not!

The full significance of God's names are as follows:
Yehovah, yeh-ho-VAW '; from (the) self-existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah

Yes, this was the explanation of who Jehovah is, and not the full meaning of his name. It was only in 2 Moses 3:14, when Moses asked who he should say had sent him, God explained the significance of his name.

2. Moses 3:14. 'Elohiym' amar mosheh hayah hayah 'amar koh' amar legs yisra'el hayah shalach

2MO 3:14-15 Then God said to Moses: "I am who I am. So you shall say to the Israelites (the sons of Israel): I am has sent me to you." [I Am: How interpreted the Hebrews. divine name Yahweh, which is derived from the Hebrews. words to be. In spare. rendered usually with the Lord.]

2. Moses 3:15 Then God said to Moses: Say to the Israelites: The Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac, God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This will be my name forever, and they will call me from generation to generation.

hayah, haw-yaw ': a primer. root, two exist, i.e. request or Become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a more copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue , do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X garden, loads, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

The word 'hayah' is used throughout 1161 times in 1114 verses in different meanings in the Old Testament. It is only when it is used twice in a row that make up the full meaning of God's personal name, Jehovah. Add this brand to the highlighted text. Here is the meaning of God's name is never an auxiliary verb, but always an active gjerningsord, an active verb. This may not signifi-tion of God's name be 'to be,' which is a passive auxiliary verb, but 'to do, finish or accomplish.' By using the word 'hayah' twice hverndre, this is repeated, amplified, so that the full meaning of God's personal name, Jehovah, is: 'I'll finish, I'll finish!' Or even deeper: 'I'm going to finish (that I've decided that) I'll finish!'

The claim that God's own name means 'I' based on the Greek term 'ego eimi,' then in accordance not with reality! Moreover, God's own name has never been Greek! But what about the written form of Yahweh or Javeh? Although it is claimed that the form Yahweh is preferred by the Jewish tradition, none of these two forms used in the basic texts, cf. Strong's Hebrew / greek. God's personal name, Jehovah, is used throughout 6528 times 5522 verses in the Hebrew Scriptures. The short version of the name of God, yahh, is used 52 times in 48 verses. The term Jehovah God, yehovah 'elohiym, are used throughout the 915 times in 839 verses, and the expression the Lord Jehovah, yehovih' Adonay, 299 times in 289 verses. NB! Note that the spelling of the name of God here is yehovih. This is based on a Hebrew word yehovah lydregel when used in conjunction with the word 'Adonay, Norwegian gentleman. Adonay Jehovih means the Lord Jehovah.

Word 2: yehuwdah
Strong's Hebrew / greek:
1. Moses 29:35. harah 'OWD yalad legs' amar pa'am 'attah yadah yehovah' al ken qara 'Shem yehuwdah' Amad yalad

The Norwegian Bible Society:
1MO 29:35: Again she conceived and bore a son. Then she said: "I will praise the Lord." So she named him Judah. Now she had no more children. [Judah: The name is similar to the Hebrews. words of praise.]

This is the first time the word Judah occurs in the Bible. Judah was Jacob's fourth son of Leah, and Leah chose this name 'for now I will praise Jehovah.' So she named her fourth son Judah, Heb. yehuwdah, which means 'one who praises Jehovah.' It disappears every nuance if we translate the meaning of Judah 'to praise the Lord.' assertion that the name is similar to the Hebrews. word for 'praise,' will be at best one explain it away, at worst a lie.
Orded for 'Jew' is also derived from this word, for the Jews descended from Judah. It has the same meaning, but printed with some other letters (all-numeric form). The first time the word yehuwdah (yehudiy) is used on all public battle, the Jews, is in Esther 2:5.

Esther 2:5. . shuwshan. biyrah. . . 'Iysh yehuwdiy. Shem. mordekay. legs. ya'iyr. legs. shim'iy. legs. qiysh. bone yemiyniy:

H3064. Yehuwdiy, yeh-hoo-dee '; cartridge. from H3063; a Jehudite (ie Judaite or Jew), or desc. of Jehudah (i.e. Judah) - Jew.

EST 2:5 In the citadel of Susa was the time a Jew named Mordecai. He was the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish from the tribe of Benjamin.

Word 3: yehowshuwa '
Strong's Hebrew / greek:
Matthew 1:21. tikto tikto huios kaleo onoma iesous sozo laos hamartia

H2424. Iesous, ee-ay-sooce '; of Hebrews. or. [H3091]; Jesus (ie Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) Other ISR.: - Jesus.

The Norwegian Bible Society:
MAT 1:21. 'She will bear a son, and shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.' [Jesus: Greek form of the Hebrew Yeshua, which means "the Lord saves."]

Well, here's the Greek version of the name Jesus, Iesous. But it was not the Greek version of the name the angel Gabril commanded that Jesus was called, it was the Hebrew. And it was precisely gunn of the meaning of this word in Hebrew that the angel told Joseph that Jesus would be called, namely, Joshua, yehowshuwa, 'which translated from Hebrew to Norwegian means "Jehovah saves." Then we understand why the angel came with this command to Joseph even after having received the message of God Almighty. We know the name Joshua as the one who brought the sons of Israel into the promised land. Joshua was a type of Christ as an even greater extent that would lead people into the promised land. The first time we hear the name 'yehowshuwa' in the Bible, in 2 Moses 17:9.

2. Moses 17:9. mosheh 'amar. yehowshuwa 'Bacha. . 'Enowsh. Yatsen '. lac-him. 'Amaleq. Machar. . natsab 'al. ro'sh. . gib'ah. . matteh. 'Elohiym. . yad

Yehowshuwa ', yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, or Yehowshu'a, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, Jeho-Váh-saved, Jehoshua (ie Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.

Conclusion: (Note that all these three names have the same basic tribe!)
In Hebrew the word Jesus and the word Jew, the word Jehovah in it. Then it is not difficult to understand that the word Jehovah must be the original for-but, since it has the same grunnstamme as the two other words that it is not uncontroversial. This makes it easier to understand Paul's statement in Romans 2:29 about who is true Jew, that is true worship of Jehovah, and Philippians 2:9 when Paul says of Jesus: "Therefore God exalted him and given him the name of all names. 'And the name was Jehoshua,' Jehovah's savior. 'By replacing the name of God, Jehovah, with' Lord, 'we'll miss a full understanding of all this. In addition, the name is always to act in the first covenant. That God has given Jesus 'name above all names' shows that his work is greater than anyone else's work - in the heavens and the earth.

NB! No marks or capital letters either in Hebrew or Greek. The dots (from one to five dots) that you see between each word in the basic text, constitute language rhythm. Each name has its own number, for example. is 'yehowshuwa' each time followed by the number H3091, to make referrals easier. (Sammenl. H2424 with H3091, above.)

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