fredag 20. januar 2012

Nr. 195: The Holy Spirit, the unnamed person!

Nr. 195:

The unnamed person

The Holy Spirit, the unnamed person!

Basic text says in the Greek and Hebrew spelling: holy spirit, note the spelling, with small letters and without personal pronouns in front.

It is a Catholic addition to that it would vote with Emperor Constantine's Trinitarian doctrine that he got through when the church was an institution and not a living church and God's church.

The church should be truth and support the foundation. Constantine was an idolater all his life and used the church as a vehicle to maintain its political power and to keep the Empire together. (The Roman Catholic Church was at first more uniform, first in the year 1054 it was divided between east and west.) Pope was under the Emperor, when the Roman Empire went under, but the papacy grew strongly, and also had power over Eastern Europe until 1054, In other words, Papacy survived the Roman Empire as a power factor. Yes, in fact up to the present time, the Catholic Church considered the largest and most influential Christian community.

From early on it began a few ultra-special Christians claiming the Trinity doctrine, but they were a very few souls. When the first Christians were mostly Jews who did not believe in a trinity, and they won for the Gospel was the same faith and doctrine. 1. and 2 generation of Christians had the same faith and doctrine, even if 2nd generation Christians were predominantly Gentile. There were 3 and 4 generation of Christians that this delusion mind asserted itself. That Paul had also prophesied event that apostasy would come, and new and unbiblical teaching to win entry after his death, including Trinity, Church hierarchy, eternally burning hell, purgatory, prayer for the dead and saint worship etc.

When it comes to female elders and pastors, it has actually been unknown up to the present time, but now are also Christians who may be gay and lespisk reached. You have to back to the old pagan and Babylonian religions to find female priests, gay and lespisk who were involved in idolatry and the Trinity originates from the ancient pagan religions. This is apostasy ripe for Judgement, when all the apostate churches and congregations to go into the great harlot mentioned in Revelation 17-18.

The Holy Spirit is not a person, it is found out by letting God's Word speak for itself. Not harder than that.

1) The Holy Spirit is not mentioned in scripture with their own name when he is God's power!

2) The Holy Spirit is not self-will, when he takes from Christ and giving to us!

3) The Holy Spirit is "Jesus". When the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus Christ!

4) The Holy Spirit is part of God the Father, God the Father is Spirit!

5) God you worship, but never the Holy Spirit when he is neither God nor a person.

6) The Holy Spirit has always been with God the Father as He is Spirit.

7) After the resurrection, Jesus had the Spirit of the Father to give it to us.

8) We will never meet the Spirit in the sky as a separate person, but be filled with the Spirit where we need it here. (Then we'll all be Pentecostals in the heart).

9) The Protestants can not explain about the Holy Spirit, therefore, one must simply believe, even if one can not explain and understand.

10) The Catholics are slightly better, they can neither explain this, but they call it a mystery that they can not understand but must accept.

11) We can experience the Spirit, he is a part of God and God is Spirit and it is through our Spirit and His Spirit, we humans can and should communicate and have fellowship.

12) Many have target vessel ran rejected the Trinity, but it has not been noticed.

This was short twelve points which I will briefly explain a little about and around.

1) A person without a name, I will not believe is a separate person, but the Trinity asserts the opposite, just like Jesus, only teachers do it.

2) We read through all of Scripture that the Holy Spirit acts as a servant when he never has its own will and agenda, but does everything as Christ and God the Father wants. God's spirit is omnipresent and works where he can get to, but never impose themselves on and forward. Ergo, Spirit is God's power, wisdom and the way he, the Spirit of God, communicates itself to us.

Joh. 4:13 p.m., but when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but what he hears, he will speak, and the things to come he will tell you. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and preach unto you. 15 All that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I that he shall take of mine and declare unto you.

Everyone has a spirit, but we humans can not send the spirit away, but it can Jesus and the Father as they are unlimited in time, space and place. Spirit's own will is not its own, it's Jesus and the Father's will. God's holy spirit is like a servant who is sent of God and Jesus' ministry. Why should not the Holy Spirit be worshiped, but the Father and the Son. We should not pray or command of the Holy Ghost but only in Jesus' name.

We receive the Spirit when we are obedient, Spirit pulls away when we are disobedient. It's like when we follow the traffic rules, it goes well for us when we follow the traffic rules and poor when we do not follow them.

We believe that the Spirit has a will and his own agenda when we read in 1 Kor. 12 on gifts. But we must understand that the Spirit knows the secret of our people and therefore he shares out the gifts that best suits us, not what we think we necessarily need and even want to have. We can not build a doctrine on one scripture, but on what scripture says overall about one thing, otherwise we come into the same errors as the Trinity and Jesus Only doctrine is built on!

3) We read in the commission of the Norwegian Bible is mistranslated regarding baptism, following. Matt. 28. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in as the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. But we read that the first Christians baptized people always to Jesus Christ. Spirit is related to Christ in the New Covenant as he in the old covenant was linked to God the Father. We must also remember that the Spirit is in all the Bible stated that God's Spirit and the new covenant, it emerges that he is Jesus Christ's Spirit. The basic text is the following: Matt. 28. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in as to the character of God. It is the same as Paul says in Colossians. 2. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Who are all linked up to? Jesus, therefore baptized the first Christians that Jesus taught and said.

Here are the scriptures that show in the name of the first Christians baptized:

Ap.gj.2.38. Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, every one of you, that ye may receive forgiveness of sins, and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost.

Ap.gj.10. 48.Så he commanded that they should be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay with them a few days.

Ap.gj.19.5. After hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord.

4) God is Spirit and God gives us of his Spirit. Ergo, Spirit is part of the Father himself!
Taking a bucket of sea, so it is just as much again in the ocean, the ocean holds far beyond what we can understand with our intellect, likewise it is with God and his spirit, it is infinite. Pure Mathematics has the world's oceans a limitation, but God has no limit.

5) We read through all of Scripture that to worship God the Father and of the new covenant we find that Jesus also worshiped by the resurrection when he has a name which is above every name because redemption work. It is a fact that the worship of the Holy Spirit was first introduced just after the council of Sardica, 343 AD Otherwise discussed Catholics who to take up the Trinity if they were to take Mary or the Holy Spirit. The problem was that they could not accept a woman in the Trinity, so the choice fell on the Holy Spirit. Then the Holy Spirit from being God's Holy Spirit to be a person of the Godhead. Mary was later taken up in the Godhead in the 1950's. For Catholics, there are 4 persons in the Godhead when Mary also born without sin and have eternal life in him just like Jesus. It is an errant doctrine that we should not go more into here right now.

Otherwise, the Pelle Karlsson who introduced the worship of the holy spirit and prayer to the spirit when he visited Hedmarktoppen in the 70s among Pentecostals. Charismatics are then hung up. Before that it was unknown territory to pray or worship the Holy Spirit among Protestants. It was seen as a Catholic mistake, but now they are united on this because they believe in the same unbiblical doctrine of the Trinity which leads into the occult and into demonic activity!

6) God is Spirit, and on that basis, it is fair to say that the Spirit has always been with the Father as a part of himself.

Joh. e. 4 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

For it is plainly written in John 4 <24 that "God is Spirit" and just as that: "Lord, it is the Spirit and where the Spirit is, there is freedom," see 2 Corinthians 3:17,

This means that the Spirit is associated with God as part of the Eternal One's overall personality next to the person of God who bears the name Father and Son.

Similarly, one can say that God is Love, God Consciousness, God is peace, God's Wisdom and God is Truth.

God "Is" then his qualities and character .. and "have" not in the same manner as his creatures.

7) Labor. Acts. 2. After the 33 he now exalted at the right hand of God and of His Father has given the Holy Spirit of promise, so he shed it as I see and hear.
After Jesus had risen, he was put back in the condition he had before he became a man, if not even more glorious!

8) In heaven we will never meet the Spirit, but God shall be all in all. In what way? By that we are more filled with the Spirit than ever, be you sure, Hallelujah!

1. Kor. 15. 28 but when everything subject to him, then shall the Son, and even submit himself to him who put everything under him, that God may be all in all.

We read that the Spirit came upon Jesus in the form of a dove, and on the day of Pentecost as tongues of fire over his disciples. Ergo said the Trinity teaches that the Spirit is a person. This is not a person to do, but a sign to outsiders that God is at work on a supernatural way and sanction it with a character that was there and then. For example those who feel the Spirit baptism experience no tongues of fire that often, but it was the one time to make it known that it was the Spirit come to all. And when the Spirit came upon Jesus, was the first and last time that the Son of God came down to this earth to live a faultless life in our place when he met the statutory requirements and bid for our sins and died a death in our place.

1. Kor. 14. 22 So then tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers; the prophetic voice is not for unbelievers but for believers.
Joh. e. 12 28 Father, glorify your name! Then came a voice from heaven: Both, I have glorified it and will glorify it again. 29 people who were there and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, it was an angel who spoke to him. 30 Jesus answered and said: Not for my sake came this voice, but for your sake.

We see that God reveals himself sometimes as a character and make it known that now is something quite extraordinary.

9) Protestants are generally more extreme than Catholics when it comes to learning issues. Their view of the Trinity is romantic and the occult!

10) Catholics who introduced the doctrine of the Trinity has also held onto some of the original vision of the Godhead when they learn that the Holy Spirit is the bond of love between the Father and the Son, but they can not explain this with the Trinity, therefore, they make it a mystery as they do with most of what they can not explain the Eucharist, etc.

11) We humans are different from animals, plants, etc. when we are spiritual beings and that God has a Spirit that God has, therefore, we can communicate, share community and fellowship on a completely different plan than what God can with all other His creatures.

2. Kor. 13. 12. "The Lord Jesus Christ's grace, the love of God and the Holy Spirit, be with you all."

Psalm 8 6 And you made him a little lower than God, and honor and glory kronte to him. 7 You made him ruler over your hands, everything is put under his feet, 8 sheep and oxen, all together, even the beasts of the field, 9 birds and marine fishes, all that traveling on the ocean routes. 10 O Lord, our Lord, how wonderful your name is above all the earth!

Filip. 2. Is there any consolation in Christ, there is some love husvalelse, there is nothing spiritual community, there is some compassion and mercy,

12) There are many over the centuries who have rejected the Trinity, but with the totalitarianism of which in many ways Christianity is, it's not always easy to stand for truth and are easily seen as abnormal.

Isaac Newton was one of them and was aware that God is the source of all truth, and in accordance with the deep reverence he had for its creator, it seems that he spent more time searching the true God than to explore Scientific truths. A survey of all that Newton wrote, shows that of about 3.6 million words were only 1 million spent on scientific subjects, while around 1.4 million was spent on religious topics.

In his writings, Newton occupied himself much with the Trinity doctrine. One of his most important contributions to biblical investigation at the time was his work of AN. Historical account

The smaller part of this thesis was consecrated 1 Tim 3: 16 which reads (according to the King James Version): And indisputably great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed in the world, interested in glory.

Newton showed how it was made a little change in the Greek text. The word God was inserted and the sentence would read: God was manifest in the flesh. He pointed out that they had no knowledge of such a change. Because the text is what Christ revealed in the flesh and who is Christ, the Anointed One Messiah.

Why government did not Newton this while he lived. The time may explain this. Those who wrote against the Trinity was still persecuted in England. Those who did so could be punished by losing their employment or imprisonment. A publication that attack the Trinity was seized and burned by order of the house. An 18-year-old student who was accused of denying the Trinity was hanged in Scotland. This happened in the 1600s.

When Newton investigated a doctrine, he is always the Bible be touchstone. Newton made this clear when he discussed the church's confessions: It does not require us to accept them because of church meetings authority. Although councils have failed and may fail in matters of faith and they have adopted as necessary to achieve salvation is without power or authority if it can be proven that it is taken from the Bible.

As another argument to throw Trinity said Newton: the doctrine that the Son is consubstantial with the Father is incomprehensible. It was not understood at the Council of Nicaea and it has not been understood since.

Newton therefore found that he, on the basis of biblical evidence, logic and the authentic teachings that were preached in the early Christian times, he could not accept the Trinity. He believed firmly in Jehovah God as supreme overlord and recognized Jesus Christ position of either compromising him as God's son or to exalt him to the position his father meant.

Clearly the conclusion Newton is going to and it is shown always clear from his writings how he looked at the relationship between the Father and the Son. In another passage he says, therefore, that prayers should be directed to God in the Lamb's name, but not to the Lamb of God's name.

Leo Tolstoy was so frustrated treenighetsdogmets lack of rationality, that he rejected it. It should all thinking people also do, neither the words trinity, triad, or anything that indicates that God is three or one in three or three in one is in the writing, but that God is one. Who is the only true God, which the learned and better knowledge about the dispute. But it's not as difficult as the Word of God provides a unified and very simple answer to this, especially in the New Testament. There is only one God, Father, no one, not even his son is like the Father, Jesus has a beginning which is not God the Father has. Without the Father had been nothing, not even the Son Jesus Christ, therefore, Jesus says it again and again that the Father is greater than me, and not the opposite!

This is just a short little excerpt that shows that the whole doctrine of the Trinity and Jesus only doctrine is a worm works and that has its origins not in the word of God but in the pagan religions and worship, and by what it has become a common Christian faith, I think of the Trinity . But the truth is that training doctrine is that Jesus only doctrine is, demons doctrine that comes from Satan himself who wanted to be God Father. Reject the Trinity and all other teachers who do not vote with the Holy Scriptures, it is my recommendation and wishes to you dear friend. Act now before it's too late and always up for those who stand before the Lord and learn the truth of God's word.

Newton believed that I believe God is everywhere - he is the room and the time we exist in.

I think it's a bit silly when some claim that the Holy Ghost is a mystery, and often it is a mystery, but one must still be allowed to debate and examine what Scripture says and former ministers claimed and what the early Christians practiced and preached ang . this mystery. Why tolerate the not to hear others' research and why they can not themselves also examine carefully about this and other mysteries in the Bible but just dismiss that? When they do not know yourself, then they should either close his mouth shut and let others know anything more be allowed to communicate God's truth! Otherwise, this is with God not really so difficult had we not had a 1700-year obfuscation and distortion of the truth when it comes to such an important and simple questions that go to God and the Godhead!

The early Christians debated hotly and thoroughly regarding Christian issues and teachings of the Bible and why should not we do it today, perhaps it is even more important today when the font has been so tampered with and the many Bible verses have been so mistranslated that one can hardly understand what exactly is the meaning of the word. It's scary and it's very important to be aware of this.

I have in my time in the Pentecostal movement, for example. never heard preaching why the early Christians baptized in the name of Jesus and why we should not follow this, and regarding the Trinity is never recorded passages that speak against this doctrine, just, etc., etc.

5. Genesis 6 4 Hear, O Israel! Lord our God, the Lord is one.

The correct translation is, Hear O Israel, Jehovah is their God and he is a unit.

Who is this unit? Father and the Son, and they have a common spirit that because the text is not written with a personal pronoun in front, but the following holy spirit!

With great consternation, one must see the hazy mystery people have done to God. Trinity doctrine does not come directly from the Bible. Although Luther had to admit it. How came this doctrine come from? There is certainly no secret. In the book "Who's Who in Church history" we read that the church in Alexandria, Egypt, and through the alexandrinske Fathers were a fusion of Hellenistic philosophy and religion as they did in both Plato's and Aristotle's teaching. Both lived in pre-Christian times.

The story of this is well documented. Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullian is considered treenighetslærens father and the first, of God, used the Latin word, Trinite. He lived from year 160 to 230 But he also believed that Jesus was the Father and that there was a time when the universe was created alone, and then to create a son. This Trinity's father would today be regarded as a false teacher of Trinity teachers. None of the apostles knew of the Trinity. It was thus more than a century after they were gone. Trinity was contradicted by four successive bishops of Rome, and the strange is that all these belong to the Catholic Church calls "the papal succession." It is Eleutherus, Victor, Zephyrinus and Calixtus. Tertullian himself said that most believers in his time were shocked by his speech about three in one. Cf. "AntiNicene Church Fathers" 3.bind: "The winds increasing this against us that we preach two or three gods, while they consider themselves to be those who worship one God." This was 150 years after Paul, and still believed the majority of the believers in the Jewish understanding of God, and thus rejected the Trinity and attacks Tertullian.

And that's because this doctrine does not come from God's Word, but from Greek philosophy and mysticism. It is because of their defenders called a mystery you can not understand. Through four Church Councils, Nicaea in 325, Constantinople in 381, Ephesus in 431 and Chalcedon in 451 the church's men tried to find out who Jesus really is. And from these came the trinitarianske creed that is handed over to us. The entire profession is a theological, pagan, philosophical and grammatical stew. But this was associated with a curse, a Anatema clause, "Whosoever will be saved must think thus about the Trinity." Soon after began the executions of those who did not think so. Something that the Catholic church and other institutions a church and churches have always done. Today there are no executions, but a strict boycott and censorship line against those who are clear that God is not three but one. And this one God has a son who has a spirit, referred to in scripture as a Spirit who is holy. Therefore it says about the Holy Spirit following the basic text and holy spirit. Why not stick to the script and let all the fables, Synod doctrines and everything else go away and let go? It is just wonderful and delicious if you ask me!

After studying this, I have bl. a discovery of many Adventists thought right about this in the beginning of the Advent movement.

Here's something taken from the net: One of many quotes from a famous adventistpioner may be one explanation for why many of today's Adventist now accept the dogma of the Trinity:

"Trinity-advocates big mistake when they argue that the theme is: They do not see the scales on it to deny the Trinity and to deny the divinity of Christ ... and they take every expression that refers to Christ preeksistens as a confirmation of the Trinity. Scripture gives a lot of documentation on preeksistens Christ and his divinity, but is completely silent regarding the Trinity. "

JH Waggoner, Review and Herald, November 10, 1863. During prayer to God, and illuminated by His Spirit, was the first Adventists led to rediscover a number of important biblical truths of God's people had to accept in order to preserve the end-time violent religious deception and apostasy. These messages may be served on the Reformation back to Scripture could be completed. This is the message which is equally applicable to both Christianity as the unchurched. The same depth Bible studies, heartfelt prayers and love for God's revelation, which led the pioneer founders to discover biblical truths Reformation had overlooked, led them to reject the trinity dogma, which they did not find any biblical evidence. None of the present adventistteologer know some of these pioneering did not know, it is rather the opposite. Adventistpioneren e.g. White puts it neatly and easily in one of his many statements about the relationship of Christ to his Father. "The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty." (Ms. 150, SDA Bible Commentary Vol 5, p. 1129. (Translation: "Man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty.")
Pioneers accepted the problematic scriptural teaching that Jesus, the Son of God both was and is as divine as his Father, that he was God's Son from eternity, and that he be worshiped. They saw him as a savior from sin, that he was equal with the Father and therefore carry the title God, as the name of the Father is in him, and that he is exalted and given all power in heaven and on earth, and that he is this creator of the world, without even being created.

They considered not of God and the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit, which is only an impersonal and neutral force. While they were thus sparkling clear that the trinity dogma represented the unbiblical teachings and was an artificial philosophical explanation that contradicted a number of Biblical statements. Present verdict from some of the Adventist leader layer also in Norway, however, that the pioneer founders were wrong in terms of its rejection of the Trinitarian dogma. This criticism affects adventistpionerer known as James White, Joseph Bates, John N. Andrews, JN Loughborough, Uriah Smith, J.H. Waggoner, S.N. Haskell. Roswell F. Cottrell, John G. Matteson, Alonzo T. Jones, of broken and J. Waggoner, WW Prescott, James E. White, William C. White, MC Wilcox and several other of the Advent movement's early leaders and pastors.

The book "The Tidehverv", published in the second edition of the Adventist Church in Norway as late as 1960, written by Adventist TS Valen, containing a solid review of Adventist then learn. The book shows the natural NOK a clear faith in Christ preeksistens and deity, but of course gives no indication that the author believed in or were forced to believe in the trinity dogma. This doctrine was in fact not a part of our society's belief system at the time. We do not ignore the fact that Pastor TSValens position also applies to a number of Norwegian Adventist who taught after World War II. Due to the mentioned teaching change would probably not one of them was allowed to stand on a adventisttalerstol today.

The following well-published report from adventistprofessor George Knight may be an example of the aforementioned result of this theological turnaround. Pastor Knight teaches at Adventist theology seminar at Andrews University. The quotation is taken from the magazine "Ministry", which is the official journal of Adventist Adventist. This assertion is not only an individual random interpretation of this theological change effects, but reflects an attitude and an action decisions that are now filtered down to all management levels of the Adventist Church.

Professor George Knights observation: "Most of the seventh-day Adventism's founders would not have been able to become members of our church today, if they had to accept our church community's fundamental beliefs. In particular, the majority could not agree with religious point No. 2, concerning the Trinity dogma. " Ministry, October 1993, page. 10.

We note that some Norwegian adventistledere is far more authoritarian approach to the topic, in that they forbid people to be baptized, to be members and be able to stand in our pulpits if they do not accept the new belief change, even if the people accept and live by all of the biblical truths Adventist otherwise stands for.

In order to push this new doctrine into the Adventist faith, some managed to find a couple of statements from the pioneer Ellen G. White, who, with strong motivation and liberal orientation, can be interpreted to approach one of treenighetsdogmets reflections. These quotes have been with us all the time, without being considered to open the door to this doctrine, and do it then either. You have to actually "run downhill" through both the Bible and EG White's writings, to avoid the documentation that makes trinity dogma unacceptable to Adventists.

Alpha and Omega apostasy.

In 1904, writes e.g. White that is revealed from God to her that before Jesus comes again, will take place on an eerie apostasy among Adventists. What she calls the "deadly false doctrine" (eng: "deadly heresies"), would be introduced and accepted. She saw that people would stand in our pulpits (read: allowed and approved to stand there, since no release of the Adventist pulpits before their doctrine is approved by management), with Satan's false preaching torch in his hand, and that the books would be written among us, as advocated unbiblical teachings. She called this end-time apostasy for "Omega apostasy", and pointed out that in the case and the content was tied to a theological apostasy which took place on her own time, called "Alpha-apostasy", and that had to do with a false learn about the deity published in the book "The Living Temple" written by Adventists, Dr. John Harvey Kellogg.

Get Adventists have obviously studied the problem of Dr. Kellogg's divine teachings, and therefore has not seen his pantheistic ideas are anchored in his published confession that he had begun to believe in the trinity dogma. The deity theology Dr. Kellogg advocated, was naturally NOK violently opposed by EG White, and she received from God to know that a similar mistake would be repeated in the future all of these, "Omega-drop" and that it would do enormous damage to our church community. She writes that she trembled in despair when this was shown her. We are a few hundred Adventists in our country, and probably tens of thousands worldwide, who feel the same way, since we unfortunately have to realize that this is expected and prophesied apostasy no longer belongs to the future.

In order to provide historical background to the topic, we choose to include in this article some quotes from Ellen White said. New light can never compromise with the former God-given biblical truths. Trinitarian dogma does just that.

Some statements from the pioneer e.g. White.

"Satan is working with men in senior positions to remove the foundation of our faith. Brothers! If we allow this to happen? "Manuscript 125, 1903, Review and Herald, vol 4, p 578

"Let the pioneers identify the truth. When the power of God testifies what is truth, then this truth forever pass as truth. No later assumptions, as opposed to the light God has given, must be accepted. Some will come forward with interpretations of Scripture which they consider to be the truth, but that is not, "(Preach the Word, p. 5, written in 1905, also reproduced in the two Counsel Writers and Editors, p.31-32 .)

"The main points of our faith that we currently hold on, was built on rocky ground. Point after point was clearly identified and all the brothers agreed. Our members were united in the truth. There were some who came with strange doctrines, but we were never afraid to meet and oppose them

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