Nr. 229: Pentecostals and charismatics are Jumbo-Christians!

Nr. 229:

Pentecostals and charismatics are Jumbo-Christians!

2. Pet. 3. 18 but grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! Him be glory both now and forevermore! Amen

After I got saved and baptized in water and spirit for good 30 years ago, I eventually some thoughts about Pentecostals versus other believers. Then I also have a Lutheran background when I am baptized, or to put it more accurate, sprinkled with a little water in the three titles from the priest's hand. And later confirmed, etc. I thought something like that. Pentecostals were those who were closest to evangelical Christianity, while the other was a long distance there from. This is of course a simplification, but what do I do now and what is reality?

This requires very much if one should be able to give an answer to

It is only God and he alone knows the hearts, and no one can say with certainty whether one is on the right path. It is not until the day we all will be within its God with our lives that will prove who served him or not. Personally, I believe that very, very many will be quite surprised on the day. Moddy said:

Moody said: There are three things I will be surprised when I come to
The sky.
1) That I am there.
2) That the ones I expected to be there is not there.
3) The I did not expect to see there is there.

To believe that we know everything, it's wrong. But Scripture also speaks about the spiritual judges all things, as a maturing of the Christian life, we must expect and so shall it be.

I do not speak for everyone, but few who will listen and is able to hear

Joh. Obvious. 3. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him, and he with me.

Jesus said it himself that in the end he will stand without passing most of the churches in the western world and the desire to get into. He is the church's foundation and head of the church, is no past and want to get into. But it will only be the few that open up and will be able to let Jesus in and he will keep the sacrament of the individual, that is, communion, intimacy.

The statistics tell

I read a statistic from the U.S. where it was the Catholic church, which is the lowest among the believers when it comes to divorce and remarriage. While the religious movement is highest, t.o.m. higher than non-believers. It tells me that Satan has fooled almost all the Pentecostal \ Charismatic movement right where he wants it!
Jesus hates churches today

John, Revelation. 3. 15 I know thy works, that you are neither cold nor hot, I wish you were cold or hot! 16 Therefore, since you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I utspy thee out of my mouth.

And when we read the text carefully as it was to "larger" confession to the larger and more comprehensive apostasy and deception was. We read further:

17 Because you say I am rich and have abundance, and made nothing, and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.

Confession was just a cover, to allow himself to all that the flesh and the world åttrar. Here are Pentecostals and charismatics all to give permission and acceptance for the world and all what this is and represents to gain free access and scope of the congregation and the individual's life. Pentecostals and charismatics are in many ways the most deluded and most misguided believers have been since so much liberal theology and the great acceptance of the world has come so hard and straight into the church. These are numerous examples. Here is an example from Philadelphia Hamar, KS on Friday 27 \ 1-2012:

Gather to dance in Philadelphia, Hamar
Hundreds of young people find their way to Philadelphia when the Christian youth groups in Hamar invite to party.
Dance, play, worship, and video clips are some of the content when the cross-ecclesiastical work Viva la Vida every six weeks inviting Hamar's youth to the party in Philadelphia, Hamar.
- We collect about 400 young people and the vast majority of them are unchurched, says Martin Bratgjerd who is active in youth work in Philadelphia, Hamar.
- Saturday after we had Viva la Vida, we have something we call the lighthouse where young people learn more about God and have the opportunity to follow-up, says Bratgjerd eagerly.
Viva la Vida led by Ole Jose Norum from Strange, began in Hamar Free Church and is the result of years of good cooperation between the Christian youth groups in Hamar. (End of quote).

For me it is really difficult to comment on this, as this is just what the world is to come into the church with dancing and everything, apart from alcohol. Drop-out rate is now so deep and so clear in the Pentecostal movement in Norway, that really can not say that Pentecostalism is a Christian movement in the true sense, when I could have 1,000 examples of which are at least as bad if not worse!

What is the solution?

Joh. Obvious. 3. 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold, glowed in the fire, that you can be rich and white garments, that you may clothe yourself in them and your nakedness shame not to be revealed, and eye-salve to anoint your eyes with , so that you can see! 19 All the people I love them, rebuke and chasten me: be zealous therefore and repent thee!

There is solution for it and they will, but you must want or so there will be no solution and deliverance! The solution is to remove this from Laoidikea congregation point by point, step by step, and God is back in your life and in the church.

1) Gold, annealed in the fire, that you can get rich

This speaks of a faith that is not theoretical, but believe in active participation as we read in James. It is the belief that prevails in a legal life that Jesus will light (Luke 18.8) when he comes back, it will be a big shortage.

James 2 17 Thus, even the faith: it has no works, is dead in itself. 18 But someone will say, Thou hast faith, and I have works. Show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works! 19 You believe that God is one, you are doing well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 And you will know it, you foolish man, that faith without works is useless? 21 Abraham, our father, he was not justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith wrought with his works, and that faith was perfected by works, 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness: and he was called God's friend. 24 I see that man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

2) white garments, that you may clothe yourself in them and your shameful nakedness not be revealed

White clothing speaks of deeds worthy of repentance and nakedness shameful speeches that the world sees us, both positive and negative when we are an open letter known and read of all men. White clothing also talks about standing within its God, when God requires holiness of being in his presence.

Joh. Obvious. 19. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him the glory! for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his wife hath made herself ready, 8, and it's given her to dress in clean and shiny fine linen. For the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
Zechariah 3 1 Then he let me see Joshua the high priest, standing before the angel, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. 2 But the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke you, Satan! Lord rebuke you, He that hath chosen Jerusalem! Is not this man a smoking fire, torn out of the fire? 3 But Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood for the angel's face. 4 And the angel answered and said unto them that stood before him: Take the filthy garments from him! And to himself he said: Behold, I will take your iniquity away from you and dress in festive clothes. 5 Then I said: Put a clean hat on his head! And they put the clean hat on his head and had him other clothes while the angel of the Lord was there.

3) Eye salve to anoint your eyes with, that you can see

Eye Salve speaks about God's word must be us some time and we need to experience to see the riches and the truth that is in Christ and God's word. God has shown me many things I had never heard of the Pentecostal movement, which is that God is triune, God will not leave any burn in an eternal hell, remarriage is sin, especially for preachers and many other truths. Eye Ointment is necessary and important to get the heart enlightened eyes so that we can gaze into God's word and see the wonderful truths that exist and there. The truth sets us free, and the truth is that Jesus is God's word.

Ephesians 1 18 and give your heart enlightened eyes, so I can understand the hope that he has called you to, and the riches of the glory of his inheritance among the saints.
1. Kor. 2. 10 But our God has revealed by his Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God, 11 of who among the people know what living in man, not man's spirit, which is in him? Thus, know no what living in God, without God's Spirit, 12 but we have not received the spirit world, we have received the Spirit of God, that we shall know what is given us by God.

4) All the people I love them, rebuke and chasten I

God is not only love, but he is one who will punish, educate and nurture us so that we become like Jesus in everything. It is because of the chastisement that we can tolerate suffering and hardship. Believers who have only said is not true believers, which is when the storms and adversity comes into our lives that is who we are and what we're made of. It is through the negative to the positive going forward. It is when there has been a long night and a appreciate the sunrise and without the long night had never been any sunrise. It is through trials, we have "proven" who we are and who we really serve and belong.

Heb. 12. 5 and I have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as to the children: My son! heed not the Lord's instruction to call and do not be discouraged when chastened by him, 6 for the Lord loves he chastens, and He scourges every son whom he takes himself off. 7 It is for chastisement of guilt that I can tolerate suffering, God is with you as with sons. For whom is the son that his father does not chasten? 8 But in no discipline, which all have their part, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Moreover, our carnal fathers, we had to optuktere, and we had reverence for them, shall we not much more obey the spirits Father, so we may live? 10 For Hine disciplined us for a few days after his thick, but he disciplines to our benefit that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 All chastening seems well, while it is on, not to be joyous, but grievous: but since it gives them thereby become opøvd, peaceable fruit of righteousness.
James 1 2 Act it all joy, my brethren, when I come in all sorts of temptations, 3 knowing that the trying of your faith worketh patience; 4 but patience must lead to the perfect work, that ye may be perfect and complete, not lacking anything.

5) Therefore be zealous and repent thee

Jealous is to be wholeheartedly and thoroughly. We must repent 180 degrees, the church need to repent as strong as the world. Both of you have heard the same message of repentance. Both have failed, except that the world's people have never known Christ, and thus have not had and have the same opportunity.
I watched a TV program with Egil Svartdahl and he and an older sister in the Lord would draw a manna grains to Svartdahl. Every time that they drew up biel verse that said the same thing again and again that he should repent and every time they laid down versa, and said they would not have this but something nice. It is always nice when God speaks but necessary and proper.

Mateus 3 2 and saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand! 3 For it is his prophet Isaiah speaks when he says: It is the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the Lord's way, make his paths straight! 4 But John had a garment of camel's hair and leather belt around his loins, and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then took Jerusalem and all Judea and the country about Jordan out to him, 6 and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins. 7 But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said to them, You brood of vipers! Who taught you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring ye therefore fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think I can say by yourselves, We have Abraham as our father! for I say unto you, that God can raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire, 12 he has his kasteskovl in its hand, and he will clean his barn and gather his wheat laden, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.
Acts 13. But Elymas the sorcerer for so uttydes his name withstood them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. 9 Then was Saul, also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, and he looked intently at him and said: 10 You are full of all deceit and all evil, the devil's children, enemy of all righteousness! you will not keep up with expected Lord right ways? 11 And now, behold, the Lord's hand is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, to a time not seeing the sun. And immediately there fell the mist and darkness upon him, and he went about, seeking someone who could lead him by the hand

Now the solution is presented for all, it is only to choose which path one will choose and move on.

5Mos 30:19 I take heaven and earth to witness against you: The life and death, I have presented to you, blessing and curse; choose as your life, so you may live, you and your family!

Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/01/nr-226-why-is-so-many-pentecostals-and.html

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/09/nr-53-disobedient-lutherans.html