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No. 1267: I'm trying threatened into silence, and it is the goal of it as Jan Aage Torp doing, nothing else!

No. 1267:
I'm trying threatened into silence, and it is the goal of it as Jan Aage Torp doing, nothing else!

See here for an example:
Robert (Ansgar Braut) Wed 25/05/2014 at 1:48 p.m. said:
To contact the union representing bus company that Jan Kåre Christensen works, is a good idea.
But I'll give Jan Kåre Christensen a possible to come out of this: If you delete the blog today, so is this case closed my part. And ending with hanging out people with names and photos.
If you choose not to do so will trade union and employer will be notified.

10. Robert (Bjørn Storm Johansen?) Wed, 05/24/2014 at 11:56 p.m. said:
It means that you rise above the Norwegian law, Jan Kåre Christensen? It is clear. You must be accountable for what you do. Tonight you have violated a new frontier. Statements your about a certain evangelist is extremely rough. So serious that we can not sit idly by and watch that you keep on like this. The same is also statements about your mass murderer and his actions, which in the highest degree is offensive to the relatives.
Your behavior is very vile. Therefore I choose to contact your employer. And then we'll consider - together with others who have been exposed to your writings - though we also must report to the police you. I would also think that the police would be interested in a person with such opinions as you and who behave in a way that suggests that you are not healthy. One has the responsibility to run as many people as you like bus drivers, it is essential that one is fresh.
13. Torodd Fuglesteg Wed 5/24/2014 at 10:55 p.m. said:
I see that Jan Kåre Christensen reckoned an old-fashioned classic racist discernment of relations between man and woman. One should not marry or have intercourse with other races, writes Jan Kåre Christensen. Here too he paa line with child murderer and terrorist Breivik. A young boy who Jan Kåre Christensen has more sympathy for than his 77 victims.
Yes, I think that his employer should be educated about this.

14. Robert Wed 05/24/2014 at 10:42 p.m. said:
I shall ensure that the said evangelist is made aware of this particularly ugly the breach. This is libelous and could mean that Jan Kåre Christensen will be prosecuted.

15. spotlight (Kjell Andersen) Wed 24/05/2014 at 10:39 p.m. said:
I am inclined to agree with Robert here. I think you could be prosecuted for defamation by using words like "pimp" about specific named persons. I do not know whether (actual person) are familiar with your blog, but word to use here can have consequences.

16. Robert Wed 05/24/2014 at 10:35 p.m. said:
It is good. Then you should also change the comments where I username.

17. spotlight Wed 24/05/2014 at 10:33 p.m. said:
I am inclined to agree .. I know Jan Kåre has featured him so in a post on his blog. I shall consider replacing his name with (named Evangelist).

18. Robert Wed 05/24/2014 at 10:30 p.m. said:
This has now become so ugly and so outrages, that I'm going to contact your employer and show him these comments from you and make him aware of your blog. Especially your comment about Brevik will probably interest him.
A bus company is dependent on a good race helpful, and that people are confident that the driver is mentally stable. You are now viewing all signs that something is nonsense.

20. Robert Wed 05/24/2014 at 10:21 p.m. said:
Now it starts to get clearer and clearer what we are dealing with. Jan Kåre Christensen comes now to light with full ones. Thoroughly exposed and stripped. Now he's getting desperate.
Meanwhile, as this man is dangerous. I'm going to contact his employer. This man should not be responsible for running people. He is now clearly very unbalanced.

28. spotlight Wed, 24/05/2014 at 9:13 p.m. said:
Jan Kåre Christensen. Even if you admitted that the angel Moroni was a miss, it does not mean no criticism about your practice by hanging out remarriage unchanged. The business is a foul stench in God's nose. You have a very long way to go before God delights in your blog. Step 1. Delete all posts where you've hung out people by name and picture. 2. Ask those you've hung out apologize. Until then you must expect to be subjected to criticism. As far as I can see, you still have several unresolved issues that you must turn away from. Otherwise, you got maybe with you that Ludvig Nessa was attending prophetic week on Vision Norway? As long as you run your blog as you have done, you have to expect criticism and it would not surprise me if someone at some point will take other steps to stop you.

Robert Wed, 05/21/2014 at 6:35 p.m. said:
After asking me forward with a law firm, I would recommend that they discussed as defamatory on Jan Kåre Christensen's blog, go to joint action against Christensen. Especially those who get their private pictures abused. They also have much to gain by a joint request to the blog provider matches. Blog Contractor has publishing rules, which Christensen approved when he began to use this blog. It is obvious that Christensen has broken them. It can cause the blog may be closed and deleted.
Cyberbullying is now the Norwegian authorities taken more seriously, and there is also an increased European awareness of this phenomenon. Jan Kåre Christensen is a classic cyberbullying.

I'm no cyberbullying when I only write about public figures who live and learn not in accordance with the word of God, when am I being exposed to the opposite. Here they attack not only me but my family and all who are there for me.

There are two provisions in the Penal Code which may be relevant when it comes to threats. It follows from the Penal Code § 227 that can be punished by fines or imprisonment up to three years if you threaten to execute a criminal offense and this is suited to her fear. After Penal Code § 390A can be punished by fines or imprisonment of up to two years if one by intimidating or harassing behavior violates the peace of another.
(End of quote).

This applies above all what Torodd Fuglesteg and Ansgar Braut has written and spoken, and Bjørn Storm Johansen, Kjell Andersen and Jan Aage Torp.

Furthermore writes Ansgar Braut many, many threatening emails. Here's an example:

From: Ansgar Braut <>
Posted: 30 October 2014 9:45 p.m.
Subject: FW: Re: Warning - Potential mentally ill Bus Driver!

Forwarding of mail received from Uni-Bus today.
Subject: Re: Warning - Potential mentally ill Bus Driver!
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 7:57:32 +0000
Unibuss confirms having received various messages on one of our bus drivers.

Unibuss AS

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 29 October 2014 9:54 p.m.
Subject: FW: Warning - Potential mentally ill Bus Driver!


I refer to those given below message sent yesterday. I have to ask to get a confirmation in the end of tomorrow,
from Christensen's superiors that the message is received.
Otherwise, I forward the message to the Organisation Manager Jan-Erik Bay, to ensure that this is taken up on a
correct way, as soon as possible.

With best regards

Ansgar Braut
Subject: Warning - Potential mentally ill Bus Driver!
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 9:01:45 p.m. 0100

I see myself forced to contact you, regarding one of their bus drivers. He has performed several
years with his own blog on the Internet, where he fronts a very conservative Christian doctrine. He harasses, harasses,
clergy and hanging out Christian leaders, pastors and preachers.
Here is the blog:

He is under investigation by the police of pastor Jan-Aage Torp, Oslo Church:

Furthermore he runs a fictional church:

This church has no members, and is not registered in Brønnøysundregistrene. "The Church"
have a bank account, that they want gifts inserted, but this is the registry Christensen private.

Christensen is blacklisted by collection control:

Furthermore, he is accused of having pressured and threatened people for money:

He has previously expressed its support for Anders B Breivik, and late in the day he came with outrageous statements that
a famous Christian media man, has got a heart attack, because he is remarried (the punishment of Allah).

We are many who react very strongly to this man, and we can not see why he has to suffer under a
or more serious psychiatric illnesses.

I therefore ask that this be sent to Jan Kåre Christensen parent immediately, and that steps are taken to assess
whether this man is fit to drive the bus.

With best regards

Ansgar Braut

From: Jan Kåre <>
Posted: 21 October 2014 9:11 p.m.
Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....

From: Jan Kåre [mailto:]
Posted: 19 October 2014 10:19 p.m.
To: 'Ansgar Braut'
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....

Ansgar that's when my blog, not a trial, I decide then what to publish, have never heard such a thing, unheard!

Jan K

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 19 October 2014 10:12 p.m.
To: Jan Kåre
Subject: RE: SV: SV: SV: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....

Yes, I see that you have "cut and pasted". You have omitted things both you and I have written.

It is forgery and it is punishable !!!!

I could have imagined to lay out all our mail correspondence on sø, but I am unsure
for disclosure of private mailer is legal, and therefore makes it not. They were also meant to you privately, and
not to anyone else, and I choose to act morally and with integrity.

With best regards


Subject: Re: Re: Re: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 9:57:09 p.m. 0200
Look here:

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 19 October 2014 11:33
To: Jan Kåre
Subject: RE: SV: SV: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....

I've never talked to Torp or know him in other ways .... This applies not only Torp, but also all the other great Christian leaders, pastors and preachers who can harass in different ways!

THREATENING you with the police, a man who takes tens solid Christian preachers and pastors in defense, and wanting to do it
he can to stop it ??? You have indeed "rude grace" (and it is definitely the only gift you have).

You can bring peace of mind; I do not intend to make me a criminal offense in this matter, just use the legal means I have
to make an effort to stop you from harassing people!

I'm not going to write more to you, nor respond to messages from you.
Now is the choice for the way forward your ...

With best regards

Ansgar B

Subject: Re: Re: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 10:00:24 +0200
Just want your name.

You write the following: I have a lot of resources, and a very large network of contacts, and I intend to take this into use, to stop you, once and for all.

This and other similar statements are direct threats, you are hereby Police reviewed for threats along with Police review with Torp then you look like close friends!

Jan K

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 19 October 2014 9:39
To: Jan Kåre
Subject: RE: Re: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....


Would you read your mail my again and you will see that I am trying to help you. It is you who have been doing
bad behavior, and I try to stop, also for your own benefit.

Most people who are demon-possessed, and who behave as badly as you are doing, put the blame on others (
so you do to me now). It is quite normal ...

I have not put forward any kind of threat, just a promise that I want to help all you have trampled
on, by attempting to stop what you're doing.
But there is something in you, who experience it as a threat, I had counted, yes.

Hardly think it will interest the police that I'm trying to help a mad man to stop harassing Christians but
You may go that way if you want :-)

I advise you to follow the advice of mine. I know God has a plan for your life, and it is NOT to rebuke, harass and
plage Christian leaders!

Good luck.

Ansgar B
Subject: Re: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:29:56 p.m. 0200
Can I find the full name and address so that I can deliver it to the police threat and bad behavior?

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 18th October 2014 10:03 p.m.
To: Jan Kåre
Subject: Enough is enough. The demons in you must go ....

We who are Christians can see that you obviously are driven by demons, you are possessed by demons. Satan controls you, in a
attempt to not only denigrate and destroy great Christian people, but also put Christianity into disrepute.

You have no right to call yourself a Christian. NO true Christians behave the way you do.

I have a lot of resources, and a very large network of contacts, and I intend to take this into use, to stop you, once and for all.

Here is what happens:

1. You must post an apology on your blog, all you have wronged and hurt, and ask them

2. This message should be out in one week. Then remove the blog in its entirety, and stay away from all
     activity on social media.

3. You are advised strongly to seek both spiritual guidance and psychiatric help.

4. You are advised strongly to seek salvation and deliverance. Only Jesus can free. I would recommend you

They are wonderful in helping people, and has, among other courses called "Healing Through Deliverance", where you get
both teaching, conversations and prayer. I myself have witnessed great deliverances, people who have been set free
for demons.

Advise you, for your own benefit to follow this advice, because otherwise you will have a very hard fall.

With the very best wishes, in the name of Jesus,

Ansgar Braut
Subject: Re: Re: About to keep their house in order ...
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 9:35:30 p.m. 0200

We live a normal life and have a Christian couple from Africa who rent from us and pay half the rent our almost, this is a crime?

Jan K

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 2nd October 2014 9:31 p.m.
To: Jan Kåre
Subject: RE: SV: On keeping order in our own house ...

Oh, yes Jan K. The moment you went public out and harassed many great men of God and women, did
it to MY ITEM!

So you have something to confess to?

We anxiously await what we find, when we put our entire apparatus at work to uncover every little dark corner
of your privacy ....

When we have collected enough information, everything will be leaked to the Christian dailies ..

Or you can choose to embed your blog and ask all those you have hurt for forgiveness?
Subject: Re: About to keep their house in order ...
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 7:00:41 p.m. 0200

This has reset things with!

Do not confess to a single one!

Jan K

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 2nd October 2014 6:45 p.m.
Subject: On keeping order in our own house ...


After the last few days in the media, I have been inside and read your blog, and content is mild
said startling.
Are there at all any pastors, ministers or other Christian leaders who keeps goal,
in your eyes?

I can very quickly ascertain that you definitely are not led by the Spirit, but for entirely different and
dark forces.

However, I regard you as a threat, in the sense, that you put Christianity into disrepute. to
put it in other words; you are a particularly poor disciple. There is no hint of the Spirit Fruit of the
you are writing.

I have therefore decided to go up in detail, to do what I can to gag you;
In the name of Jesus!

I've just begun to see on your integrity, and has begun in the economic sphere:

Fact; In addition to any consumer loans, credit cards and car loans, you have a mortgage on closer
NOK 7 million.
You and your wife both have moderate incomes of approximately 400,000 gross a year.

We can conclude that you are unable to service their debt and still have subsistence on this
income. Where does the money come from? Gifts for the congregation, and the like, collectives, undeclared work?

I continue to dig, both in this area and in all other appropriate areas.

With regards

Ansgar Braut

From: Berit Nyland Christensen <>
Posted: 27 November 2014 6:42 p.m.
To: Berit Christensen
Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Regarding Jan Kåre Christensen!

Subject: Fwd: Re: Regarding Jan Kåre Christensen!
Date: Wed, 26 November 2014 12:45:36 +0000


I have no interest.

 But one thing is for sure, there are many managers who do not
take God's word seriously today.

Berit Christensen

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 25 November 2014 10:31
To: Berit Christensen
Subject: FW: SV: Regarding Jan Kåre Christensen!


I'm still waiting for feedback from you.

Seeing me nødsaget to get a message from you where you comment on your husband's claims that you intend to exploit
your position / contact network in the municipality, to "take out" his opponents.

This is very serious. If you are not denying this, or you do not answer, I will have to send an
contacting your supervisor, who then must consider whether this is a personnel matter, possibly a criminal.


Ansgar Braut
Subject: RE: SV: Regarding Jan Kåre Christensen!
Date: Tue, November 11, 2014 12:03:47 +0100
When awaiting i feedback from you, when you have forwarded the email to your private mail and got rated

With best regards

Ansgar Braut
Subject: Re: Regarding Jan Kåre Christensen!
Date: Tue, November 11, 2014 7:09:16 +0000
I have no opportunity to go into this, when I'm at work,
Have a good day.
Berit Christensen

From: Ansgar Braut [mailto:]
Posted: 10 November 2014 1:42 p.m.
To: Berit Christensen
Subject: FW: Regarding Jan Kåre Christensen!


Refers to mail sent to you on Friday.

I must politely ask you as soon as possible to give me feedback on this. My work in the future, when it comes to your husband, depends to some extent on how you, as his kins, deal with facts of the case!

With best regards

Ansgar Braut
Subject: Regarding Jan Kåre Christensen!
Date: Tue, November 7, 2014 2:07:25 p.m. 0100


Permit me to contact you with a concern about your husband.

I do not know if you're aware of what he engages in internet and I want to give you an orientation and
thus an opportunity to make the necessary grip on the situation, before this is undesirable and unpleasant
consequences both for him and for you.

Do you know this blog ?:

He has several years systematically harassed, insulted, ridiculed and harassed Christian leaders, preachers
and pastors.

He is now under police investigation, having harassed Pastor Jan-Aage Torp, over several years. And this has actually
escalated after the review was filed and investigations initiated:

And I know that efforts are being made to contact and collect as many as possible of those he has harassed, to submit an overall review and
optionally, a group action for compensation!

Are you aware that he most likely engaging in illegal fund-raising, through a fictitious church?

Church Smyrna is not registered as a religious community, and nor registered in Brønnøysundregistrene. this required
to create a bank account, thus we can conclude that the account he asks for donations to, created for him privately.

This suggests that people are misled into believing that they give money to a church, while the fact is that they give money to a
private person.

Are you aware that your husband is banned by collection control?

Are you aware that several have accused your husband of having pressured and threatened them for money?
Here's an example:
extortion scam-oslo-norway-1166757

There are also many who have become aware of their financial situation. A debt of at least 7 million, it is not realistic that we manage to operate with so moderate income that you have. Where does the money come from?

Are you aware that your husband has written that you will use your position in the community to affect people? Will this fidelity? That you will abuse your position to affect people? He claims that you have contacts in the community that can be used to "take"
his opponents ....?

I presume that you are not aware of any of this. But, now you are informed. Many people are very frustrated and angered
over your husband's behavior, and working in several areas to stop his activity online.

Now, however, an opportunity to stop him. Advise you to urge him strongly to remove the blog, the false
church / website that informs about this, and all possible other activity on the Internet.

I'm no psychiatrist, but it is reasonable to presume that the man is suffering from serious psychiatric disorders (and, yes I have well over
average knowledge of such disorders).

I think it's important that he gets medical help, before he hurt himself or others, and it is undesirable consequences, either
criminally or financially.

We can see that the devil uses many people to frame Christians who are in service, and your husband are sadly used
precisely for this purpose.
However, I am quite sure that if he gets the necessary medical help, so he could return, accept Jesus as their
savior and champion. God has a plan, also for his life :-)

Praying and hoping that you follow these tips, and you manage to help your husband. There are many who contact me who are angry,
desperate and frustrated and want to use all legal means to stop your husband from continuing to harass people. However, I'm sure they will let the matter lie, if you ensure that he stops his online activity, and makes sure that he gets medical

PS! Your husband has previously considered compassionate advice from me as threats, and I would now like to emphasize that this is only just that; good advice, so that a difficult situation, you get a happy ending for you :-)

With best regards

Ansgar Braut

This Ansgar Braut also writes under Jens B. Jensen and many other nicknames, here is mail from Ansgar Braut or Jens B. Jensen. As I have made an article some time ago:

No. 942:
Police on Manglerud police are a threat to the rule of law in Norway?

They threatened me with a fine or imprisonment of 3-4 weeks. Whatever they threaten !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had not accepted or accepted if it was $ 1. or 1 Million in routing. Or 3 days, 3 weeks or 3 years in prison. Everything turns on the head and will take me that is 100% innocent, but those who are guilty here, they stand on their side against me!

My confidence in the police in Norway is good, but Manglerud police chamber with the people I have met and who have tiny at Jan Aage Torp's fictional review of me I have no trust and respect. They are in my view a danger to the rule of law here in Norway!

Here are they strong mental unstable people this Torodd Fuglesteg show off online to write in my name. Torp has come with a fictitious review as they have tiny on. One or more people have written to me and my wife's employers where it was the number before it became an armed police raid. All this could have been avoided if they had listened to me from day one that Torp has made false accusations against me to get me removed from Google's search engine. It's like an experience a police from a dictatorship government which completely run over one and all healthy and democratic rules are put aside!

In the past I've had and have a feud with Manglerud Police which will drag me to the district court. I think all that I have written, comes under freedom of religion and freedom of expression.

Even Torodd Fuglesteg who wondered VG 2008 with a rakfisk history has also created a blog in my name. In familiar style as a poet he up everything, but this person and everyone else stands Manglerud police load tees with.

Here the fake blog:

Why were the police:

We also got the mailer to our work there almost gave also be armed action but it dritter in this which testify that they did not do their job:

Here are some posts that also speaks of an inept and police who put the rule of law at risk in my estimation and opinion (and many others). They are unworthy of a straight country like Norway to have such a law:

I told them in advance that this here is nothing crooked words from me or anyone else this is about, but a spiritual struggle in which it is my view. Or rather, biblical view of divorce and remarriage it all revolves around and is all about!

It had to go gærnt!

What it all started with was "Pastor" Jan Aage Torp hatred against me and the Heavenly Blog. When "found" him some words which were far milder than what he has used against homosexuals and many others (myself inclusive).

Image of "Pastor" Torp who really is the origin of all the misery. It realize of course not the police who are not born again and live with God, even if they try. Torp fornicators, keeping with such a person creates ripple effects.

It's like throwing a stone in water, which makes several other rings. So it is with sin, the begets sin. Here there is obviously other people coming in under darkness influence through this now corrupting the people sitting in positions of power and who do not have slightest idea what is really going on. This is a spiritual battle that takes place regarding divorce and remarriage, it can not be combated in any other place than in the living God and among living Christians.

Afterwards this so did Manglerud one of its many bomskudd. Not only "believed" those at Torp, although it was a fictional review. His goal was to get a judgment against me and then go to Google to decimate me and the Heavenly blog.

After the saw has it that police Manglerud took out an indictment against me that is so inept and ugly it is possible to have remained, we have become fair game for anyone other than Torp. Actually, this is uglier than what Torp has done, even though we have prosecuted this so we are not taken seriously and this is emphasized by the police on Manglerud. It is a tragedy and tragic!

What police do not know and have no way to understand is that such an unclean life Torp has with him living in sin, adulterer and a fornicator by Scripture. He frolic in sin according to God's word. Then open it again for other forces. I call it viber. By that I mean that when getting spiritual forces operate freely in other open to the darkness that lives and is in Torp. This is obviously not unsaved police any opportunity to understand and it is obvious that they do not realize it either! Here one must be saved, born again and having the ability to squint Spirits is one of the nine gifts mentioned in 1 Corinthians. 12. Something I have and therefore I have also "control" over the situation from day one really!

Here are the latest mail wife received at work, where she becomes downright hung out and lied on:

VS: The gun in your bag

----- Original Message -----

Subject: Fwd: The gun in your bag

From: Jens B Jensen [mailto:]

Posted: 8 April 2015 7:07 p.m.

To: Berit Christensen

Subject: The gun in your bag

Hi Denise and thank you for last.

You have a gun with you in your purse wrote your husband Jan Kåre

You and Jan Kåre is so fond of Anders Behring Breivik and believes that his killing of pups was good and fair.

You should not shoot children with the revolver you have with you so that you admire did a few years ago? There are lots of AUF in your school.

I just wonder and recommends that the principal takes away the revolver.

Jens B Jensen

(End of quote).

Here there are so many lies about us:

1) You have a gun with you in your purse wrote your husband Jan Kåre.

We've never had anything more than a water pistol at home, so this is a lie from a to z.

2.) You and Jan Kåre is so fond of Anders Behring Breivik.

Put us in with this terrorist and mass murderer is the world's largest bomskudd, kinder person than my wife and me finest not!

3.) Consider that his killing of pups was good and fair.

Killing is never good, it's 100% against everything we stand for!

4.) Do not shoot children with the revolver you bring to the admiring did a few years ago? There are lots of AUF in your school.

My wife has never and will certainly never go with a revolver in her bag. But through what we have gone through so one may feel unsafe, especially as a woman. This is just a natural reaction when police Manglerud is so incompetent and not doing the job they are set to do.

5.) I just wonder and recommends that the principal takes away the revolver.

Here mixes again totally innocent people, which police Manglerud ignoring again and again! We should be, not anyone else!

Final Comment:

Police on Manglerud course had no prerequisite for knowing what it involves living in sin, not least for a "Pastor". This again creates ripple, where sin begets sin. This is a spiritual law, and spiritual things realize themselves not at all on!

At Torp can say that which is "good" does not matter when it comes to spiritual, ethical and moral thing. Here are the hard facts, one-word of God teaches or not?

This being "Pastor" and be a pattern to the flock is really Torp.

Therefore these attacks on us like family!

That it is completely safe far worse, not least legally. That the police ignore it completely proven also show their incompetence and lack of being properly policemen. But that said, one often follow others with it!

It is hopeless to report more, they should take me and my family. Cost what it will, if they break even Norwegian law, common general behavior and or whatever it is!

Why do they call themselves hatkriminell group of Manglerud when they really stand for it yourself?

It stands in one of the mountain code, it is allowed to turn! The police may also here do get arrested those who are really criminals? It is well too much to hope for? The opportunity is certainly present, even!
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