tirsdag 2. juni 2015

No. 962: You've Devil Father Jesus said about those who stood against him and did not recognize the word of God's authority!

No. 962:
You've Devil Father Jesus said about those who stood against him and did not recognize the word of God's authority!

We must understand that there are two opposites in the spiritual world. But to concretize and give a deeper understanding of this there are two starting points for it all. It is the fall of Satan in the spiritual world, and the Son of God restitution through his death and resurrection!

Photo of Gunhild Stordalen and Erna Solberg, who unfortunately live in a huge self-deception and other bits on. She will "save" the world, but the most important thing is to live leveled with God and God's word with their own lives. She lives together with a divorced man with children from before (she split a marriage and children of the Father).
Think, that its "rescues" the world is actually a great deception and begin at the wrong end. Shall we start "right", and do this she puts that goal. And take away God and what his say in their own words. When one is both seduced itself and deceives others!

  FÅR STØTTE FRA ERNA:  Gunhild Stordalen og statsminister Erna Solberg var enige om det meste  på  EAT-konferansen i Stockholm Foto: Nina Hansen / Dagbladet

Taking this from Torleiv Haus who writes very well about this:
The Bible contains many demanding and very challenging texts.
This confrontation between Jesus and those believers Jews are the sharpest and most confrontational as I know in the Bible. It ends with Jesus saying that these Jews father the devil while the Jews for their part accuse Jesus of being a Samaritan and have a demon in him.

This text is that all texts in the New Testament written after Jesus' death and resurrection. It means that all texts must be interpreted in light of the cross and resurrection. They are not primarily written as history, but they are written that we may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may life through his name (Jn 20,31). This means that Jesus was crucified and resurrected is and must be the basis for all interpretation of Scripture. By the way, I believe that the cross is also the key to understanding of the history and the contemporary we live in. The cross is the basis for all interpretation and all true biblical theology.

By cutting out the statement that "you have your father the devil" cuts in my opinion the Norwegian church out the text of the deepest way lets us understand what intellectual sin or original sin was and is. Usually translated "peccatum original" with "original sin" in Norwegian, but this is a term that is as contradictory as a "square circle". The understanding of the origin of sin becomes available only in the light of the cross. It's not that we independently of the cross can define one or another problem that Jesus came to solve. But it is also so that the solution shows what the problem was.

The question then becomes, of course: What is this original sin for something? On the answer Jesus in John 8:44, "You have your father the devil, and you want to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and are outside the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father. "

The term "father" in this context has of course nothing to do with the male parent we call father. "Father" must be understood as culture organizing principle independent of the specific designs that culture may have. Same organizing principle can be expressed in many different ways. The Jewish culture is a form of expression and the Norwegian is another of the same organizing principle.

When Jesus says that the devil stands for a lie, this is a precise understanding of mythology. The myths are in fact stories that are intended to conceal and cover up. And the myths hides, but as gospel reveals, is that all culture has its origins murder. When Jesus says that the devil was a murderer from the beginning, it is obvious that he refers back to the first murder that we can read about in 1 Mos 4. Cain kills his brother Abel, then rebuilds civilization.

Thus indicating Bible it funder end or basic principle behind all human culture, namely violence. Modern mythology that people at a certain stage entered into a "social contract" are little more than modern dreams.

Then the Greek philosopher Heraclitus far closer to the truth when he says that "war is the father of all things, and the king of all things; it has made some gods and other mortals, it has made some slaves and others free ... Everything arises from strife ... Strife is fair; and all things come to pass and perish through struggle. " For Heraclitus had violence their own logos, an overriding principle that was generated by the disorder or chaos. The orderly logos facing the chaotic and destructive violence to a stable and hierarchically differentiated social system.

This violence logos is what Jesus came to reveal, among other things, in this conversation with the Jews who had believed in him. Cain could not control his jealousy or ressentiment, and it ended with the killing of the innocent brother. And it is this urge to kill and remove it or the innocent as it is diabolical and the actual originator of sin. For behind the urge to kill is the urge to accuse or make other responsible for their own situation. Anyone who blames or placing responsibility on the innocent, therefore follows the same logic or logos that mankind has followed ever since Cain and Abel.

And when Christians accuse the Jews for Jesus' death, they use the same organizing principle that Cain used, namely violence and of murder logos. Therefore, the Christian anti-Semitism among the most paradoxical and contradictory as history knows. Believing Christians who accuse the Jews for the death of Jesus is in reality in exactly the same shoes as the accusers. Every time we fall for the temptation to accuse someone of something, we follow the same violence logos that we have followed since time immemorial.

Jesus confrontation with Jews who had believed in him is provocative and very challenging. For Jesus points out and reveals what we most want to displace, namely our own medløperi in the violence culture that we all are a part. Our complicity in violence logos we will rather not be disclosed. The silent and sometimes heartbreaking cry of the many innocent people who are persecuted, oppressed, raped, killed is something we would rather forget.

Man's way to true self-knowledge is long, and it does not happen without divine revelation. But it is only when we reach a true understanding of who we are that we can get a true understanding of who God is. The culturally conditioned understanding of what it means to be a human being undermined or subvertert when it is revealed to us who God is. Jesus says that the Jews who have come to believe in him that "you do not know him (God), but I know him (Jn 8.55).
(End of quote).
We enter text, so there is a lot here to retrieve. When Jesus says they have the Devil Father, so he starts it too.
We go to the basic text, it's going even better off.
John 8:44: "You have your father the devil, and you want to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and are outside the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father. "

1.) The first thing that Jesus begins by pointing to the Devil Father, is that you will make it your Father wants.
The word desire comes from the Greek word "epithymias."
There are a number of places in the New Testament. Ia Here Markus 4:19, Luke 22 15, Rom. 1. 24 and several other places. How to understand this word? As I see it, this is where our motives, aspirations and when we have the opportunity, as it shows the type of person we are.

In other words, when people get the opportunity, so they show their true selves. Here we could have dwelled at length with this. However, to give an example. A person visibly upward and "Godly". So traveling person on vacation, away from anyone who sees him / her. When it emerges what is in them. It is the longing, and what is in our hidden inner Jesus referring it to that show us who we really are. And we have God the Father? So we will not succumb to the pressure that is there!

2.) The next thing Jesus mentions are: "He was a murderer."
What does it mean to be a murderer? If you kill a man, then you are no doubt a murderer, whom Cain killed his brother Abel.
But the word of God goes further. The same word with being a killer is also used here in 1 Joh.b. 3. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
The hate, especially other believers makes an after Jesus' own words into a devil child. It is serious! It is inter alia therefore the word of God says we should not report to another magistrate, but leave judgment to God, and he alone!
To go to the authorities to bring your right, is really to hate. When we make the Ondes will, and it shows that we obey him! We break the Bible and when we love the Lord more.

Joh.e. 14. 21 He who knows my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And whoever loves me will my Father love. Yes, I too will love him and manifest myself to him. "

1 Cor. 6. When one of you has a case against another, how can he dare to put it before the unjust, and not for the Saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world? But when you will judge the world, why regrettably you not to judge small things? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? Can you not judge in earthly affairs? 4 And when you have such cases, why are you to judge people who do not have confidence in the congregation? 5 This is a shame for you! Is there not one wise among you who can settle the issues between brothers? 6 No, brother goeth to law with brother, and that of judges who are not believers. 7 That you have lawsuits against each other, is in itself a defeat for you. Why suffer ye not rather injustice? Why not rather suffer losses? 8 But you do wrong, and let others suffer losses - even siblings. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Neither the sexually immoral, those who worship idols or adulterers, nor men who lie with men, or somebody sleep with, 10 neither thieves, greedy, drunkards, revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you before. But now you are washed, you are made holy, you have been made righteous in the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

But it is clear that true believers are not running issues facing each other in criminal justice, making a it is one of the Devil scripture says (the one that starts the process).

3.) The next Jesus says, who really goes more on the origin. But I take it as it fits in, "from the beginning."
Before we humans were created, so there were two opposites in the spiritual world. It was God and Satan. Therefore, it is still two opposites in the spiritual world. And therefore we humans a rise. Something we assumes. After the fall so we came across people on the "wrong" side! We were all children who had a negative rise, not a positive. This takes apostle Paul in Rom. 5 where he speaks about the old and the new man. The first and the last Adam etc.
Will not go into this here and now, but so scripture says that we are people not more choices, but only two. This is something that goes over and over again throughout the word of God.

4.) Moreover, Jesus speaks about the following stressing that the Devil has to Father: "standing outside the truth."
Standing outside the truth, what is meant by that? To make it as simple and clear as it could have remained. Do not adapt his life or teachings by word of God. God has given us his word for it should be our guideline for life and doctrine. That's where we get from our spiritual food and nourishment. Yes, absolutely everything that we as believers are and mean. It has its origin in God's own words. Not wanting to adapt and live by God's word, "standing outside the truth!"

5.) Jesus says: "For there is no truth in him."
Here emphasizes Jesus really the same. God's word, follow it carefully, it fits just not the Devil. He can probably go with something of God's word, but not follow God's words to the letter, it hates him. There we see today. People who are divorced would like to believe in God. But Jesus and Paul's teaching that remarriage, it is not permitted for believers. They will not follow so you can continue. God calls us to follow him fully. And preach the whole counsel of God to salvation!

6.) We bring one thing to end as Jesus points out that allows the Devil has to Father: "When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father."
Lie, what is it? It is above all to speak false. But there is something more than that.
I think of Pontius Pilate who showed it was wrong and sin handing Jesus to be crucified. But to save his own skin and not lose position and ability to continue to successfully manage. He miscalculated everything. But it also lies Spirit acting that way. Satan deceives people from beginning to end!

Joh. e. 19 15 But they cried out, "Away with him, away with him! Crucify him! "" Shall I crucify your king? "Pilate asked. "We have no king but Caesar," said the chief priests. 16 When he surrendered Jesus to them that he might be crucified.

Final Comment:
The Greek word "hoi ioudaioi" can mean two things: either "the Jews" or "Jews". In John's Gospel, it may be good reason to believe that both meanings are in use, depending on which context is about the rivalry between Galilee and Judea, Jews or entire folk collective Jews (see in particular 7: 1FF as example). And in chapter 8 is almost certain that the word most places critical sting against the Judean elite leadership in Judea, and therefore must be translated as "Judeans".

In other words, Jesus' preaching and argue that it was the leadership in Jerusalem who had the Devil Father. It cost him his life really! Jesus cautionary preaching to use such strong words, was not the "ordinary" man and woman. But the so-called leadership in Jerusalem who believed they had "monopoly" on everything connected with God and his words to do!

Are you willing to sacrifice everything to preach what is right? And stand for the truth and not lie!

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