Have no more prone to write about Jan Aage Torp - he has been revealed to anyone and everyone, and every word that I have written and spoken has obviously been true!
As I have said from day one, the case against me is Norway's greatest miscarriage of justice. Torp have surpassed me ten times a verbal tirades, his poodles and lackeys are completely beyond. And that his review of me are false accusations when he reviewed me to get the Heavenly blog shut down due my disclosures around him and my preaching against remarriage, nothing else!
As well it was our English blog that destroyed his "apostle" service abroad where the same articles that were written in the Heavenly blog was posted on Heavenly blog. This made it all that sought in the Norwegian, but foreign search engines into what I wrote there about Jan Aage Torp. This became too much for Torp, and he "found" some words I had written that he reviewed me. Now it's not the words, but the amount of what I have written that it is "criminal." But that what I have written about Jan Aage Torp is 99% written by his fictional review, it omits both Torp and Polti.
The case against me is so rotten it's possible to be!
Photo by Anders and Jan Aage Torp that he should have taken care of, than to initiate a relationship with a new woman as God's Word mentions being the incomprehension and adultery!
When Jan Aage Torp grew up could be fathers and other have such attitudes toward their children as Torp and manifest. But fortunately, the world is moving ahead in some cases! Torp should count themselves blessed that what is now obviously not been known until now, it had been revealed, it is fairly certain that the child had taken over these poor suffer kids!
I've never had any vendetta or hatred January Aage Torp. But what he stands for the spiritual and religious / ethical as an "apostle" and "Pastor" I have taken 120% distance!
That he should be so to demote revealed, who could tell?
Only thing that I now consider to have been sad, very sad is that Jan Aage Torp not in some areas have had the ability or willingness to step in itself. Prayerful all through his target vessel run has deceived and cheated for forgiveness and would settle!
How January Aage Torp has described his son and their family relationships after he was revealed, has not been a good reading. Torp has obviously not at all though and realize that it is he who is the problem, not the son or anyone else!
We learn much about King David who experienced something similar as Jan Aage Torp with major problems and difficulties with their children. But with the big, big difference that King David never took again to their own children. But loved, and still loved them. Mourned the loss, which is evidently not so distant from Jan Aage Torp that it is most possible to get. He feels sorrow for having been embarrassed, but not over the loss to any other. What he writes is so degrading that I will not quote it at all! But over to King David.
Absalom's rebellion (2 Sam. 13.1 to 19.43)
This section begins with the terrible story of Amnon's rape of his half-sister Tamar. What happened to David to become angry (13,21).
The reason why he failed to punish this may have been that he was aware of their own moral failures. David's son, Absalom, avenged later her sister by killing Amnon (13.28 to 29). After this Absalom forced to flee (13.34). David was eventually persuaded to allow Absalom to return to Jerusalem (14.1 to 23), but the two did not meet until two years after this (14.28 and 14.33).
Absalom would have greater power, and kept for four years to take the people's hearts away from David (15.1 to 7). He succeeded in this to such an extent that David and his men were forced to flee Jerusalem (15.14).
David was subjected to more pressure:
• Siba took advantage of the unstable political situation (16.1-4).
• Shimei, one of Saul's men threw dishonor David (16.5 to 13).
• Ahithophel, one of David's advisers, now afford Absalom to cast dishonor Davids position (16.20 to 17.4).
The outlaw king burdens were still relieved when he got the support of loyal men (Chapter 17). A military confrontation was inevitable. It resulted in Absalom died after he got stuck after the head in a tree (18.9 to 15). Although his death meant the end of time as an outlaw king, and he could return to Jerusalem, made David over him:
The king was deeply shaken. He went up to the room over the gate and wept. As he went, he cried: "Absalom, my son! Absalom, my son, my son! Oh, if I had died in your place! Absalom, my son, my son! "(18.33)
People's wavering attitude was evident when they were ready to switch sides again when they received the news of Absalom's death (Chapter 19).
David sorrow facing the loss of his own son, reminding us how much it was for God to "lose" his son. Who died for us on Calvary.
We read in 2 Sam. 18. 1. David mustered the people who were with him, and set captains of them, any of thousands and some over a hundred. 2 And David sent forth a third under Joab, a third under Abishai son of Zeruiah, Joab's brother, and a third under Ittai the Gittite, and the king said unto the people, I will surely go forth with you. 3 But the people said, You shall not go out; for if we flee, they will not care about us, and about half of us die, they will not care themselves about us; but you are worth ten thousand of us, and now it is better that you are ready to get us out of the city. 4 And the king said unto them, I will do as I do. So the king stood beside the gate, and all the people came out by hundreds and thousands. 5 And the king commanded Joab and Abishai and Ittai, saying: Father gently with the young man - with Absalom! And all the people heard when the king gave all the captains charge concerning Absalom. 6 So the people went out into the field against Israel, and it came to blows in Efra'imskogen. 7 Where were the people of Israel turned servants of David, and there was a great slaughter that day - twenty thousand men. 8 And the battle spread over all that land, and the forest devoured the day several of the people than the sword devoured. 9 Absalom came as servants of David He rode on a mule, and the mule went under the thick boughs of a great oak, and his head caught hold of the oak, and he was suspended between heaven and earth; the mule that was under him ran away. 10 And a certain man saw it, reported it to Joab, saying: I saw Absalom hanging in an oak. 11 Joab said to the man who told him this: But when you've seen it, why did you hit him then not to the ground right there? So it had been my duty to give you ten shekels of silver and a belt. 12 But the man said to Joab, Though I should receive a thousand shekels of silver in mine hand, I would not stretch out my hand against the king's son; for we heard all that the king commanded you and Abishai and Ittai, saying: Be careful with the young man, with Absalom, whom it is of yourselves! 13 But if I had gone deceitfully forward and taken his life, so is no matter hid from the king, and you would probably keep aloof. 14 Joab answered, I can not stand here with you and booklet me away. And he took three darts in his hand and thrust them through the heart of Absalom, while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak. 15 Then asked ten young men - Joab armor bearer - round about and struck Absalom and killed him. 16 So Joab blew a trumpet, and the people left off pursuing Israel; for Joab held back. 17 And they took Absalom and threw him into a great pit in the forest and raised a great heap of stones over him; and all Israel fled every one to his home. 18 Now Absalom in his lifetime had taken and reared up for himself the pillar, which is in the Valley; for he said, I have no son to carry on the memory of my name. He called the pillar after his own name, and it is called Absalom's Monument to this day. 19 Ahimaaz son of Zadok, said to Joab, Let me now run and bear the king tidings that the Lord has helped him to his right against his enemies! 20 But Joab said to him: Will not this day be a man of good tidings; another day you can come with good tidings; but today would not come with any good news, because the king's son is dead. 21 Then said Joab to Cushi, Go, tell the king what you have seen! And Cushi bowed himself to Joab, and ran. / 22 But Ahimaaz, Zadok's son, took answered and said to Joab, Come what will, but let me also run run after Cushi! Joab said, Why wilt thou run, my son? You have nothing good tidings that you might have to pay for. 23 And he said, Come what may, I want springing forth. And he said unto him, So spring then! Then Ahimaaz ran by the way through the Jordan plain and overran Cushi. 24 David was sitting between the two gates: and the watchman went to the roof over the gate unto the wall, and then beyond. Then he saw a man running alone. 25 The watchman called and told the king. The king said, If he is alone, so there is tidings in his mouth. And he came nearer and nearer. 26 And the watchman saw another man running, and the watchman called to the porter and said, Behold another man running alone. The king said, He also bringeth tidings. 27 And the watchman said, I think the first knight so similar Ahimaaz son of Zadok. King said: It is a good man; He comes with good tidings. 28 And Ahimaaz called to the king, Peace! And he fell down on his face to the ground before the king and said, Blessed be the Lord your God, who has delivered up the men who raised their hand against my lord the king, in your power! 29 And the king said, Is it well with the young man - with Absalom? Ahimaaz said, I saw there was a huge uproar, When Joab sent the king's servant and me, your servant, departed; but I do not know what it was. / 30 The king said, Turn aside, and stand there! Then he went aside and stood there. 31 Immediately afterwards came Cushi, saying, My lord the king receive good tidings for the LORD hath avenged thee judgment for all them that rose up against thee 32 The king asked the Cushite, Is it well with the young man - with Absalom? Cushi answered that my lord the king's enemies and all that rise against thee to do thee hurt, be as that young man! 33 Then the king was deeply shaken. He went up to the chamber over the gate, and as he went, thus he said, my son Absalom! My son, my son Absalom! O that I had died in your place! Absalom, my son, my son!
I take the whole chapter when it is so beautiful, informative and full of insights into what love, longing and loss is something!
Absalom rebelled against his father at a very cunning way. But even under King David's escape was no recriminations against neither God, his son or anyone else. He saw it all as God's plan and purpose, although he apparently was the "losing" party. That could have made resistance against his own son with it follow that he surely had won a crushing victory. But with a bloodbath in which not only Absalom had died, but thousands of others as our Absalom, his own son.
David chose sell to leave Jerusalem, even their concubines as his own son had an orgy with to incite his own army. Talk about here was gone bad, to worse and hopeless!
My at so David took refuge in God, as we read both books of Samuel and the Psalms.
Psalm 3 1 A Psalm of David, when he fled from Absalom his son. 2 Lord, how many my enemies are! Many rise against me. 3 Many say to my soul: There is no salvation for him in God. Sela. / 4 But thou, O Lord, are a shield around me, my glory and the one who, lifting up my head! 5 I cried unto the Lord, and he answered me from his holy mountain. Sela. 6 I laid me down and slept; I awoke; for the Lord sustained me. 7 I do not fear for tens of thousands of people who have set themselves against me all around. 8 Arise, O Lord, save me, my God! For thou hast smitten all my enemies on the cheekbone, thou hast broken the teeth of the wicked. 9 Lord accompany salvation; thy people be your blessing! Sela.
Do not go into this hymn, but read for yourself that David put his bit to God, my in their distress.
But he also did something more, he thought most of his own son, rather than themselves. We read here in 2 Sam. 18 as already cited, he asked the as his own son what happened to him above all else.
2. Sam. 18 29 And the king said, Is it well with the young man - with Absalom? Ahimaaz said, I saw there was a huge uproar, When Joab sent the king's servant and me, your servant, departed; but I do not know what it was.
Here we see what David was busy with, what happened to his son. If he won the war and would then be deposited in King throne and allowed to return to Jerusalem was no. 2 for him. When he got the discouraging message that he son was killed and was dead. When he cries out in despair and distress, not a single miserable face neither God, his son or anyone else.
2 Sam. 18 33 Then the king was deeply shaken. He went up to the chamber over the gate, and as he went, thus he said, my son Absalom! My son, my son Absalom! O that I had died in your place! Absalom, my son, my son!
Seems the words which David, the great King screams, cries and cries out in despair are some of the strongest words in the Bible when a familiar whole story that there was a disobedient son and a scorned father. As in a scenario of love, despair and distress cries out to God, and he alone!
"Then the king was deeply shaken. He went up to the chamber over the gate, and as he went, thus he said, my son Absalom! My son, my son Absalom! O that I had died in your place! Absalom, my son, my son! "
Compares with what January Aage Torp has written and spoken against his own son, so it becomes so here is an embarrassment and get hurt at Torp's behalf. Where he constantly tried to self-righteous themselves. And what son and others feel and know, means nothing. It's what he knows and experiences. In such situations realize than unfortunately everything I have written and spoken against January Aage Torp has been true down to the last detail!
Final Comment:
What's really life about? It is to live for others, not themselves! This is where life's happiness lies. King David put his family before everything. Even after his mighty victory he had was imposed on to stand up as the King who would take command, so he would not lose people. The suffering and devotion to his own son - who had failed - was so much deeper than anything else.
Here it shows that David had to be imposed on to stand up:
2. Sam. 19. 1. People came and said to Joab, the king weeps and mourns Absalom. 2 And the victory was the day of mourning for all the people, because the people that day, heard that the king was grieved for his son. 3 The day stole the people rose up into the city, as people steal away when they are ashamed because they flee in battle. 4 But the king had covered her face and cried with a loud voice, My son Absalom! Absalom, my son, my son! 5 Joab came into the house to the king and said: Today dishonor all thy servants, who today have saved both your life and your sons and daughters and your wives and concubines life; 6 You love those who hate you and hate those who love you; for today you have shown that neither princes nor servants to thee; I perceive, that if Absalom had lived, and all we had died this day, then it had pleased thee well. 7 Now therefore arise, go out and speak kindly to your men! For I swear by the Lord that if you do not forth, there will not tarry one with thee this night, and this will be worse for you than all the evil that befell thee from thy youth until now. 8 Then the king arose and sat in the gate, and when all the people came to know that the king sat in the gate, they all came and went before the king. But Israel had fled every man to his home. 9 And all the people in all the tribes of Israel contended with one another, saying: The king delivered us out of our enemies, and he saved us from the Philistines, and now he is fled out of the land for Absalom. 10 But Absalom, who we had been anointed king over us, is dead in battle; why do you say nothing about bringing the king back? 11 Then King David sent to Zadok and Abiathar, saying, Speak unto the elders of Judah, saying, Why are ye the last to bring the king back to his house? For there was the king's attention in his house that all Israel. 12 Ye are my brethren, ye are my own flesh and blood; Why are ye the last to bring the king back? 13 And to Amasa, 'Are you not my own flesh and blood? God do so to me, and more also if not always going to be my commander instead of Joab. 14 Thus he turned all the men of Judah mind and won them for themselves together, and they sent the word to the king, Return, you and all your men! 15 So the king returned and came to Jordan. When Judah came to Gilgal, to go to meet the king and bring him across the Jordan.
Sorry I cite some Bible verses, but I want you to have with you how great King David's love was for his own family, although he was Israel's great king. Here was a man who was both great for the people, and big for God!
What can this story with Kon David teach us? And what does it us?
There is always, always love that overcomes, nothing else. King David turned the second, third, fourth and fifth cheek. And took the rap for his own son. Reproached him never, only himself, no one else!
Our kids have "always" right, it is we who have brought up the to become the person they have become. And we do not succeed? Then blame our, not kids. To show us Kon David a striking example where it was about making sure his children were preserved and found his refuge in God. Did they do it? It is quite possible that his children did. That they were saved, but as through fire Solomon is mentioned as one of the heroes of faith in Acts 7 under Stephen speak for the Sanhedrin.
Acts 7. 47 But Solomon built him a house.
This indicates that King David's children were all saved, but do so through fire, why? Here, I think David's affection for their children in spite of all its faults and shortcomings, was crucial. It is and remains a thing as victory in the end, it is God's own love, which he has poured out into our hearts by the Holy Spirit.
Room. 5. 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who is given to us.
It then becomes how we sing in this choir and song:
Nearby there is a källa, från God Flode forward.
There is pent-up wad of God kärlek är also names.
Dricks the vattnet, och eternal life you get.
Nearby there is a källa, från Calvary it goes.
Even that will triumph is God's kärlek Charlotte Höglund from Sweden sang this on Hedemarktoppen I mean the first time I heard this song?
Since then, this song has been in my heart.
Sang this in both English and Swedish, it tells us so much that King David lived in and won the victory through this immense love that filled his heart and life!
Look here:
You can never win as long as you hate.
You can never win over the evil of hate.
Only love wins, love wins,
Love triumphs over evil and hatred.
Only love wins, love wins,
Love triumphs over evil and hatred.
Hatred frätar break you, bind you in solitude.
Overcome your bitterness with the proper weaponry.
Stretch out your hand to reconciliation, stop thinking back.
Dare to believe in love, and you will be victorious in the end, for:
Only love wins, love wins,
Love triumphs over evil and hatred.
Only love wins, love wins,
Love triumphs over evil and hatred.
Love those who hate you, bless those who mock you.
Pray for those who hurt you and that is unloving.
Do not fret, for hatred requires your joy.
Leave everything in the hands of the Lord, and you will be victorious in the end.
Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/05/no-1223-anders-torp-and-ruth-helen.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/05/no-1222-will-your-or-my-life-and-learn.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/04/no-1175-remarriage-among-preachers-and.html
http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/03/nr-478-tepid-proud-and-self-righteous.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/10/nr-71-emanuel-minos-had-gone-from-being.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/09/emanuel-minos-and-co-are-like-bileam.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/03/nr-461-when-do-group-sex-swinging.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/04/nr-288-its-narcissistic-and-false.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/02/nr-235-ratings-hanvold-speaks-with-two.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/11/nr-135-forgiveness-secret-necessity-and.html
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