torsdag 12. mai 2016

No. 1205: Hetero File has "law" to say yes to sin, it is so sorry for them! While homosekuelle must say no, anyway, it is not biblical to give them acceptance!

No. 1205:
Hetero File has "law" to say yes to sin, it is so sorry for them! While homosekuelle must say no, anyway, it is not biblical to give them acceptance!

Image of homopar, this love and remarriage not accept God as the Hanseatic will.

Facsimile image Øyvind Kleiv's excellent article
Open letter to Pentecostal theological reflection group. When
should Christians stop making homosexuality more dirty than
heterosexuality? End
with unequal treatment of gays!


Øyvind Gaarder Andersen, I read with interest what you write theologian Thomas Erlandsen in Cross Victory last week (Week 18) but will
happily connect it to heterosexual marriage, and the process you have in Pins Movement's theological reflection group with divorce and
remarriage. There are many parallels here. I think that the reflection group moves on a knife edge with this conclusion that
homosexual lifestyle is a sin and is in danger of losing all credibility.
You write to Erlandsen Straight as it is argued that Jesus did not speak out against same-sex marriage, and therefore,
they insist, is he for it. But such an argument falls on its own absurdity.
I allow myself to use the same reasoning in relation to remarriage. When Jesus, Paul and other biblical writers mention
forms of cohabitation outside marriage first, then it is only to say that it is wrong, carnal and unspiritual and that people who live with
Other than their first spouse shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Hetero File mentioned it on a par with gays. All sexual sin outside the first
marriage is sin. Any other argument falls on its own absurdity.
Then you write: Law is at this point crystal clear (3 Mos 18,22).
I allow myself to use the same reasoning with remarriage. It is in Jesus' Jewish context crystal clear what the Law of Moses commands that
one should do with people who had been unfaithful. Just look at Joh 8112,
2. Puree 20.14, V.17 and 5. Mos 22.2324.
Mosaic Law was equally clear on
what to do with adulterers as homosexuals.
You write: Had Jesus meant something else, he had expressed it. He said the notoriously other matters: "It is said, but I say
you ... "Jesus sharpened the Law word for divorce radically (Matt 19 312;
5.2122).
Jesus' words on marriage indicates that marriage
only for woman and man.
Yes, Jesus was radical. Also with its attitude toward remarriage. When the Pharisees claimed Mosesbefalte (entellomai) them to provide wives
divorcement, then counterattacked Jesus with these words: Moses permitted (epitrepo) you give wives divorcement ... for their hard hearts sake.
But from the beginning it was not so (Matthew 19.78).
People with hard hearts are those who are commanded to do the right thing, but that still continues to do what is sinful and wrong.
Without willingness to repentance. This was not supposed to include Christians, since they have replaced stone heart with a heart of flesh (Ezek 11.19,
36.26), but many sins in the Bible's clear words, despite the fact that the Bible never allows remarriage (Rom 7,16).
But while these Christians
forefinger directed against gays and call their deeds sinful and wrong.
You also write: Paul defines clearly homosexuality as a sin, a sin among several that he mentions in the Kor 6,910.
Those who
live so shall not "inherit the kingdom of God,"
Totally agree with you there. But: In these verses mention the homosexuals on an equal footing with adulterers and fornicators. And much more.
The Bible says that he who lives in sin and living in adultery, doing more serious sin than usual sins, since one sins against private
body (1 Cor 6.18). In the Bible spoken never positive about living in sin. Sin and carnal deeds are consistently featured in negative
twists. In the description of the works of the flesh in Gal. 5.19 is the first four words sexual sins: "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, shameless
fornication ".
These verses speak of both heterosexuals and gays. The penalty must, in other words apply to those who live in sin with a partner of the same
gender on equal terms with living in sin with a partner of the opposite sex. And the Bible says that none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.
On this basis, I have some comments about the reflection group's active attitude toward homosexuality. I think you
operates with discrimination against homosexuals and are in danger of losing all credibility.
About Pentecostal theological reflection group in
work with the heterosexual marriage concludes
that a marriage between
a man and a woman is sacred and inviolable while both are alive, then I totally agree.
With the following conclusion: If a thing is holy, so is everything else unholy.
But if the reflection group concludes that that heterosexual marriage can be broken by entering into a new heterosexual relationship
(After x number of years in seclusion, lots of counseling and concessions from their own mistakes, etc.), Then marriage is not sacred. Then all marriage equality,
profane and thus as little worth.
Then it does not matter whether it is a heterosexual marriage or gay marriage.
In this case lose reflection group all credibility, for reflection group has already konkludertmed that homosexual marriage is wrong
Bible as a basis, whether the marriage is sacred and only between a man and a woman who has never been married before, otherwise no
marriage sacred. Neither heterosexual or homosexual.
One is then equally valuable as another. Or as little worth.
All possible counseling, friends in key church positions or moving to other parts of the country does not change the word of words:
homosexuality, adultery, fornication, slander and all other sinful keeps people outside the Kingdom. God's command is hellighetatskilthet
from sinful
lifestyle.
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Øyvind Kleiveland - go to the quoted text.
Hilarious heterosexuality allowed increasingly among Christians. Today accepted cohabitation instead of marriage, cohabitation before
marriage and cohabitation after marriage in Christian churches.
Man has many explanations and excuses as to why this happens.
Marriage is sacred, so it is only a man and a woman who has not been married before that can marry. Everything else is unholy and God
prohibits it.
Whether it should allow heterosexuals are allowed to marry
Despite God's command why
should gays get so
receive any preferential treatment?
Here lies the knife edge that I think reflection group moves on, they would conclude that a second marriage is allowed only among
heterosexual partners. It's discrimination.
Whether it is free until after the first marriage for heterosexual couples, it must be the same for homosexuals as well. Bible forbids all
extramarital cohabitation. Otherwise, it is discriminatory. We conclude this because we are not engaged in homosexuality?
Why is homosexuality perceived as heavily soiled / extra unhallowed among Christians?
Bible equate heterosexual adultery with adultery, homosexuality, slander and all other unholy behavior! Why does it do that? Because
God says that the first marriage is sacred and that one is bound to his first spouse to this door. Everything else is a sin and is forbidden in the Bible.
About Gunnar Kåre, who has been married heterosexual in different parts, is separated (without children), find out that they are homosexual, finds
another, marrying and going enkristen church, they will be allowed to go there and listen to instruction? Many would say yes to that.
About Per and Kari, who has been married heterosexual in different parts, is separated (without children), find each other, get married and come to the same
congregation, they will be allowed to go there and listen to instruction? Many would say yes to that too.
But if Gunnar and Kaare will help, assist and participate in church leadership, they will be allowed to do this? In most Pentecostal churches will
management say cash no.
Congregations will require that the two gays split up, to show God that they have repented and that they live a new life in godliness. This will undoubtedly
happen in many other churches as well.
But on Per and Kari wants to help, assist and participate in church leadership, they will be allowed there? Most Pentecostal churches in
the country would have given them permission on the spot! Without a requirement to split up, to show God that they have repented or that they live a new life in godliness.
Why? Is it because homosexuality is so dirty, or because such driver not good Pentecostals with? Bible calls both forms of cohabitation
carnal, sinful and wrong. But Christians accept increasing discrimination against gays. Absolutely no reason.
Hilarious heterosexuality allowed increasingly among Christians. Today accepted cohabitation instead of marriage, cohabitation before
marriage and cohabitation after marriage in Christian churches.
Man has many explanations and excuses as to why this happens.
The reasons may be "we supposed to get married soon anyway", "we saved money doing it this way," "we do not need a paper to show that we love
apart "and" we have to test drive a car before buying it. " All forms of cohabitation outside the first marriage is sin.
Whatever name you give it and what reasons they have to do it.
But if one were to mention the word homo counts else,
so has the same Christian suddenly very strong opinions on the topic and believes that such
keeps you far away.
For me, this inconsistency toward marriage an admission of failure and show that Christians driver with clear distinction of the
gays.
Should we follow the Bible's words that "Those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God", then it must apply to all forms of cohabitation outside Firstly
marriage between a man and a woman. Not just the gays.
It will be interesting to see the conclusion reflection group comes with.

What two equally beautifying who experience love?

I do not doubt this, but God and God's word does not provide acceptance for this.
Those who live like that, or remarriage will not inherit the kingdom of God says the apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians and Romans clearly homosexuality as a sin, a sin among several that he mentions in 1 Corinthians 6.9 to 10. "Those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God"

We must follow Scripture in every aspect, not just a few here and there. Scripture says it very clear in the New Testament that marriage is between a man and a woman for life!
Everything outside of this is sin. If a believer who is experiencing "real" love after being separated with a new one. Then it is today in most Christian contexts allowed to remarry even if scripture says this is untrue.
While for homosekuelle there are currently not quite that simple.

This is an unreasonable discrimination, as do many gays and lesbians extra despair. And with good reason then here makes a difference to people.

I can not see that this is right, although I can understand the purely human.

Imagine, there are people who are born lesbians or homosekuelle. Some have been there for a while. Others choose it for other reasons. The common features that many of those who define themselves as homosekuelle or lesbians are looking for the same as many heterosexuals are after a breakup. Finding himself one to share your life with.

As I see it, their feelings, acceptance and other equally real and equally true that it is for heterosexuals. But God's word says that the road is closed for both single heterosexuals who have been married before, as much as it is closed for lesbians and heterosexuals.

I do not doubt that feelings and everything else and are just as good, right and true for both gays, heterosexuals and lesbians. But what does the word of God?

God's word says that only form of partnership that is acceptable to God for believers. It is that one finds a mate who is of the opposite sex one's self, where death is the only thing that terminates a marriage.

We can not speak of "legal" sin not "legalize" sin. Sin is sin anyway.

Øyvind Kleiveland wrote about this Debate, which I take with five sets projections by the very good article which you can read here:
"Why is homosexuality perceived as heavily soiled / extra unhallowed among Christians?

Bible equate heterosexual adultery with adultery, homosexuality, slander and all other unholy behavior! Why does it do that? Because God says that the first marriage is sacred and that one is bound to his first spouse to this door. Everything else is a sin and is forbidden in the Bible. "

http://www.verdidebatt.no/debatt/cat12/subcat13/thread11642298/#post_11642298

Final Comment:

There are those who come to me and say that it is so easy for me etc. In other words, for others it is difficult. And then they have to gain acceptance to live as they wish.
This argument does not hold, VÅ must all relate to God's word. Everything outside of God's word, it is a pity!

I've written so much about this subject before, therefore please read the second article from me on this subject. Just wanted to say briefly that we can not give acceptance to any form of sin or that violate God's word. I have no trouble believing that there are also people who are born as homosekuelle, or develops in the right room. And those born or evolve to become lesbians. There are those who certainly are called innocent in a breakup or broken marriage, but none of them are allowed to start a new relationship. Scripture says very clearly the following:

1 Cor. 7. 10 The married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, that a wife should not divorce his husband; 11 but divorced him, then abiding she being unmarried or reconciled with her husband - and a husband should not divorce his wife.

Here it talks about for believers after a break either to reconcile themselves with their spouse or live single. Who does this today and is seen to be a Christ follower? This is seen to be legalism and more strange!

It hurts and is certainly not easy for lesbians and homosekuelle to realize that God's Word does not provide acceptance for such a life. Although an experience that their own feelings and love is real.

There is nothing to suggest that for many they have good feelings and other things like beautifying people. But God and God's word does not provide acceptance for this. Then we must also deal with this in the same way!

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