The nefarious website Sokelys by Kjell Andersen lie again I've said that all the Pentecostal / charismatic movement should be Catholics, only Ulf Ekman I said!
Actually it was Ulf Ekman almost the only protest examiner could become a Catholic when he is not separated and re-married! Hehe, Kjell Andersen lying that he almost believes it himself, ha haaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!
Kjell Andersen assertion falls for its own unreasonable. Jan Hanvold is the prototype of today's Pentecostal and charismatic Christians. Never if he could become a Catholic with their morals, their morale is high above him and today's Protestant believers!
Look what I have written, I have written clearly that Hanvold and other Protestants never neither can nor want to be Catholics.
I have many, many article and passage on it. Can not bear to look up all of this, but here is an article that underpin this as I say.
Look here:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-909-vision-norway-12-years.html
Ulf Ekman said I would be a Catholic, but few others!
It is simply because they are divorced and re-married and will never be "full" and accepted as Catholics.
But Ulf Ekman has only been married once, and "glide" when straight who believe that marriage is a sacrament. While Protestants running on the so-called innocent party can marry and divorce exactly as many times as he / she wants and will !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This Printer Kjell Andersen and Searchlight:
"Jan Kåre Christensen causing increasing attention. Friday turns Christensen and comparing himself with the Old Testament prophet Micah. The startling comparison will surely get many people to roll their eyes and create laughter around in the thousands of homes.
The reason that Christensen is now taking big words about themselves in their mouths is that Christensen January-rosemary-beard-profetentidligere should have written that Ulf Ekman and other charismatics will return to the Catholic Church, a theory including Nardus sect has been standard-bearer for decades. A number of the older preachers who saw the Catholic Church as Babylon the great whore of Revelation has over the years claimed just this, and that Christensen has borrowed message of these makes him hardly qualified to compare himself with an Old Testament prophet. More is not to say about a man who tries to make himself more important than he is. "
It is only in Kjell Andersen mind this is a "truth". I write the opposite.
This I wrote on Sunday 26 July 2015:
No. 1181: Jan Hanvold hatred against Ulf Ekman's just the Ondes diversions for Hanvold hatred against Jesus and Paul's teaching about marriage!
I'm writing in the headline: "Jan Hanvold hatred against Ulf Ekman's just the Ondes diversions for Hanvold hatred against Jesus and Paul's teaching about marriage!"
It could just as well been this: "Jan Hanvold hatred against Ulf Ekman's just the Ondes diversions for Hanvold hatred against Christensen and the Catholic Church teaching on marriage!"
Jan Hanvold is after my concepts a pervert and carnal person who has managed and still manage to nap sleeping and seduced Christianity (it does not take much to).
Jan Hanvold believe that Ulf Ekman is seduced by Satan and is a sick person has nothing on it really to do.
This is just a cabal of the evil, which he of course uses Hanvold which is the Ondes servant to live a life of sin. Hanvold are divorced - and re-married.
Hanvold attacker Ekman under the slogan that "attack is the best means for the defense." It is Hanvold and Hanvold sin being downplayed and overlooked here. The focus should not lie on Ekman, but fornicator January Hanvold.
Scripture says when the Catholic church right argue that when live one against God and Jesus bids.
Marriage with baptism (the Bible speaks only believer's baptism) and the sacrament, a fine assert is a sacrament.
Although I would not use those words. So learn the Catholic Church absolutely right regarding marriage, glory be to them for that!
Madness and cowardice affects the entire Norwegian Christianity that will confront Jan Hanvold Achilles' heel, it's that he is re-married as a "Christian"!
I have written so much about, therefore out what I have written before instead of writing something new. I stand for what I wrote as the headline here
"Jan Hanvold hatred against Ulf Ekman's just the Ondes diversions for Hanvold hatred against Jesus and Paul's teaching about marriage!"
But what is the tragic with all the problems in today's Christian Norway, is that no churches, preachers, orge nations or denomination grabs what is Christendom's most serious sin of omission in the ministry, life and practice. Marriage great significance for the Christian life, the individual and the entire community. Remarriage is and remains adultery for people of faith whatever reason!
This was written in 2007 kristenblogg.no:
59. It is strange to hear some here. Of course all the truths hidden present. I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken!
At Pentecost, which is not Pentecostals in the word sense, now allows empty Catholics will speak at the 100th selection, as witnesses to me about one thing, the prophecy comes true, as we ia For the revelation book 17-18.
It is clear that Hanvold say much good, but Leif and 90% of all defending him through thick and thin here, tells me that it is dangerous to bring sinners Christian meetings in Norway if that is the spiritual standard.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27275, by jan | July 28th, 2007 at. 10:56
(End of quote).
Photo by Ulf Ekman got to meet the Pope in with her Madam, who in 2014 became a Catholic.
I had already in 2007 prophesied this under strong resistance, but as "normal"! Jan Kåre Christensen Holding forth the word of God was not mistaken, but were right and this was no surprise or wonder!
Here from the dispute which I received very strong resistance at krisnteblogg.no:
This comment got against me from Leif Gullberg in Bergen:
"I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken "
This claim is simply not true. And is it not true, then it is a false allegation. Ulf Ekman and other karismatiskere not return to the Roman church. And the Catholic Church is not some skjøgekirke - a word not found in the Bible.
Do you need to start reading a little of the Bible Jan Kåre. There you have a lot to learn. "
Now, nine years later as it turned out I had 120% right, but then 9 years ago I was warned not mind if I had a dangerous preaching. Talk about being wrong!
Look for further additional comments so that you get a bigger and better picture:
59. It is strange to hear some here. Of course all the truths hidden present. I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken!
At Pentecost, which is not Pentecostals in the word sense, now allows empty Catholics will speak at the 100th selection, as witnesses to me about one thing, the prophecy comes true, as we ia veneer revelation book 17-18.
It is clear that Hanvold say much good, but Leif and 90% of all defending him through thick and thin here, tells me that it is dangerous to bring sinners Christian meetings in Norway if that is the spiritual standard.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27275, by jan | July 28th, 2007 at. 10:56
60. ".. I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken "
This claim is simply not true. And is it not true, then it is a false allegation. Ulf Ekman and other karismatiskere not return to the Roman church. And the Catholic Church is not some skjøgekirke - a word not found in the Bible.
Do you need to start reading a little of the Bible Jan Kåre. There you have a lot to learn.
Comment # 27278, written by Legue | July 28th, 2007 at. 11:47
61. To Leif
You said that my preaching was dangerous for new believers.
Now I think that what you say is probably one of your own opinions that are not consistent with God's word.
I have pointed out the "links" that are today where more and more return to cooperation and recognition of Catholics, there Charismatics in the forefront.
I have been "learned" by the old Pentecostal and independent publishers what the Catholic church has stood for in 1600-1700 years and what impact it will stand in the end times, where the Antichrist and the False Prophet shall acquire use of the apostate churches before he pushes them out into the outer darkness and requires all worship itself. Now I understand that you oppose me and peers over again and justify such extreme preachers Hanvold, so basically to discuss with you is harder than to discuss with non-believers, they have at least respect for other people something I do not exactly is your trademark.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27282, by jan | July 28th, 2007 at. 1:33 p.m.
1. 1: To recognize Catholics is something quite different than "return to" Catholics as you claim.
2: Your training of other ministers could probably be well and good, but it does not help if they have taught you things that do not have a basis in the Bible. But WHAT they taught you, I know nothing about. Have they learned that the Bible mentions a "skjøgekirke", they have taught you wrong.
That's why I say you should read the Bible itself.
Comment # 27285, written by Legue | July 28th, 2007 at. 2:08 p.m.
2. To Leif
I think no matter what words and concepts that the Catholic Church is an apostate church that will play a crucial role in the end times that are much more alluring than Muslims and other religions.
Cooperation with the Catholic church will in the long run just before than things with them, that it is he that will affect us more than we as evangelicals will affect them.
Assume her in my people is a scripture that is suitable to use.
That there are charismatics who are the first to work with the Catholic church amazes not me when you really know it's Christian groups both really in learning is far from what I would say the word of God teaches and what the Protestant churches and churches have stood for, something many do not stand for long is another matter
But for once, respect that I do not believe in cooperation with the -Katolske church, so you and your peers do whatever else you want. That you have repeatedly defended the most extreme preachers can not travel.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27310, by jan | July 29th, 2007 at. 9:06
3. "But for once, respect that I do not believe in cooperation with the -Katolske church, so you and your peers do whatever else you want."
Well, I do not believe in any cooperation, and has not said such a thing. But now the Church of Rome made this much easier for us after the last decree that only the Catholic Church can be considered the one true church. Thus, the also any cooperation impossible done.
Comment # 27311, written by Legue | July 29th, 2007 at. 9:26
4. To Leif
It's probably not that simple. Blue. Now when Pentecostalism will mark the 100 years since they experienced the Spirit, so there is a Catholic Bishop to speak.
Comment # 27368, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 0:59
5. Leif I can not imagine myself on you to defend Hanvold and in the strongest terms warn against me, that I empty is dangerous for new believers but not too old saved. No I do not understand your conclusions and understanding of things!
Comment # 27375, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 1:30
6. Bjorn Arne Rosland
I think you will walk away with his tail between his legs after you've commented on some things.
I work full time and many times I have not had time to answer some here and there, one or ancestral typos due to lack of time, I think you should be good to comment.
That many of the charismatic preachers so easily recognize Catholics should at least have been a paradox. For me, then I am convinced that it is the Catholic Church which will play the leading role in the spiritual area when Antichrist and the False Prophet appears, not Muslims or others. Only it should have been reason enough to not cooperate with such an apostate Church. That someone caught up in such unimportant if it is skjøgekirken or not does not matter. The Catholic Church does not believe in salvation in Christ, in the sacraments and in the church. Moreover, they have numerous unscriptural doctrines and sees itself as the only true church in the world.
And when we take that they have killed somewhere between 50-100 million born-again Christians should be reason enough to never cooperate with the apostate church. But now Spirit blunt Pentecostals have a Catholic Bishop to speak at the Pentecostal ceremony in Oslo Spektrum in September and they cooperate otherwise with the Catholic church, not I understand it!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27391, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 8:58
9. Bjorn Arne Rosland
Thanks for the good words.
I could not agree with you that we so "easy" to accept Catholics now as they empty makes the Pentecostal movement.
It's really opening up to forces that one does not have control over. Once one has opened up, so it is impossible to shut down, wait and see!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27429, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 8:00 p.m.
10. To Bjorn Arne Rosland
You write: but I mean simplifying and produces often matters unilaterally
Then you have to prepare it better.
Read KS and there is a lid on anything that goes against some people in Oslo who sits in an office all day, it's what you want?
I want a much wider range of issues and things.
Notice one thing, you're criticizing me, why not focus on those who have an unbiblical preaching that most charismatics have now Pentecostalism likes to work with.
And why is God's presence become almost lost in the Pentecostal movement on the premises is better than ever?
Could it be disobeying the Lord and the Word of God? The Lord gives his spirit to those who obey him!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27431, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 8:17 p.m.
11. Probably disobedience to the Lord's Spirit. Those who try to run by the word, which the NT says we will be operated by the Spirit, are limited to the Spirit. They are rejecting much of the word of God, without wanting to realize that their limited brains can not trade places with manifestation of the Spirit of the word.
The letter kills but the spirit giveth life.
This kirkesamfunns- and motion worship is terrible. I can not see that the Bible shows some favorite communities. But still, some elevated this idea to the gun.
Comment # 27450, written by Arild Holta | July 30, 2007 at. 11:13 p.m.
12. Jan Kåre!
You write that you will have a much wider range of issues and things. But that is precisely what I think you are missing a part of.
You are no doubt sincere and wants to "stand for the truth," but if one is to find it, one must be willing to study issues and things from different angles. Then get an overall picture closest possible truth.
It seems like you feel dg mistreated by Pentecostalism, and I think that can apply a lot more than you.
In recent years there have been an intellectualization and not least an elite thinking that I think the movement has lost much of.
There are major key resources around the country that "is locked" because they have never been allowed to develop the vocation and the gifts they have received. This affects individuals in the first place. In turn, there will an even greater extent frame Pentecostalism and other movements that have not been willing to liberate the immense spiritual capital that those people represent.
Price movement has moved away from "the general priesthood" to a movement for a small elite. I think they will come to regret one time or another.
Now it incidentally several denominations and congregations that have developed in the same way, and it will inevitably end with spiritual poverty for them.
I've even worked about 10 years as a pastor full time and later as pastor in combination with journalism and managerial jobs within the press. For me, the combination has been perfect. It has given me a freedom to say and write what is in my heart, - instead of always searching for what people would rather hear.
Finally:
In our attitudes and what we otherwise account for, it is important that the purpose of what we do always is to win people for Jesus, help them out of spiritual lethargy and heresy and contribute a constructive guidance so that people are saved for heaven.
If we lose this purpose, we lose something essential.
Our opinion is therefore not the most important thing to fight for, but to save people for eternity. Then humility and prudence usually important tools.
We should all ask ourselves whether we carry everything we are and do, have the right motive. If not, it's time to turn back.
Bjørn Arne Rosland
Comment # 27467, written by Bjørn Arne Rosland | July 31, 2007 at. 9:47
13. To Bjorn Arne Rosland
To say that I am treated badly by Pentecostalism is mild act.
But I will never go away from what I believe and have experienced, therefore, I believe that a life in the Spirit is the only option.
Within its most Christian churches is the disobedience to God's word which is the biggest pitfall, and just what has the charismatic "renewal" got us away from by unilateral emphasize the spirit and experiences, and it is Pentecostalism unfortunately completely open today as I see it. It sees a not least by all the speakers who will speak at the Pentecostal 100th Anniversary shot just Reinhard Bonnke which in my opinion preaching a classical Pentecostal message!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27468, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 10:27
1. Jan "evangelist" Kare wrote:
"Within its most Christian churches is the disobedience to God's word which is the biggest pitfall, and just what has the charismatic" renewal "got us away from ..."
The charismatic movement is just that Christians from different context has discovered that
1. Christians are one, regardless of denomination limits.
2. That the baptism of the Spirit is for all who are saved.
There has thus been an addition to what they thought before. Thus progress.
Jan Kåre has yet to prove heresy that is typical of the charismatic movement. In the charismatic movement there namely not doctrinal beyond the points I have mentioned. Those in the charismatic movement, have to learn by their denominations and traditions. As also is outside the charismatic revival.
The issue is thus very simple. But it is often the common denominator that is hard to find too many people let emotions run wild. It seems to be difficult for many people to simplify opposed to distort.
Elia / Johannes task was to simplify - "doing the Lord's paths straight." (Stand-sit.)
I think this is an important task for us Christians.
Comment # 27488, written by Arild Holta | July 31, 2007 at. 5:38 p.m.
2. To Arild
I think you're difficult, I have given you numerous information both for yourself and websites, read them and you will see that the Charismatics are based on experiences but not the word of God and Scripture alone!
Comment # 27496, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 6:56 p.m.
3. To Arild Holta
You mention ar Charismatics believe in the Holy Spirit. That's exactly what I have argued constantly.
But the charismatic movement differs from place to place, but there are still some common denominators.
Let me take a few.
When Kenneth Hagin not believe in atonement in common biblical and Protestant thought, but he atoned sin in hell, so we see that "all" charismatics as Ulf Ekman, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Aril Edvardsen and many others always defends Kenneth Hagin whether he does not have a biblical view of the most important in the word of God, the Atonement.
Most Fele cabinet Spirit not society. Within its charismatic as grower than experience, but when our experiences yesterday Winner Family Hard Rock word of God, so the experience is more important than God's word. I've heard many charismatics say repeatedly.
But there's a reason for that Pentecostalism and many others agree now charismatics, it is because there has been a huge drop in the spirit there than have opened up for error, than is not so diligently longer that than was before, it is more convenience for flesh and human nature!
Comment # 27498, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 8:12 p.m.
4. "Jan Kåre has yet to prove heresy that is typical of the charismatic movement"
Jan Kåre can never prove this. But for Jan Kåre it's good enough to claim that they are heresies, if he finds something to hang your finger on with someone who considers himself karismatiker. In this blog, he has a degree revealed how little he understands of God's word. Nevertheless, I am convinced that he is an honest guy.
Not surprisingly accepts he now only Reinhard Bonnke speaking to Pentecostal big reunion.
Comment # 27509, written by Legue | July 31, 2007 at. 10:27 p.m.
5. What is heresy in the charismatic congregations?
1.) What is not being preached, where holiness in biblical admonition is almost excluded. Without holiness no one will see the Lord. A notice when one is in such meetings that it is noisy and not bønnenånd and nådensånd which is prevailing.
2.) When Ulf Ekman preached in the 80s that Jesus atoned sin in hell, something he denies today. When such persons Ekman lying, speak false and distorts the truth exactly as he wants and people will believe a lie rather than the truth, then it is not easy.
3.) unscriptural leader model. The Bible mentions the oldest in the plural form, in charismatic churches is a leader on the top and a lederråd that he can dismiss and appoint exactly as he wants it.
4.) If one has the "right" faith, is an always fresh, happy, rich, as has the "right" belief, this is occult.
5.) In religious congregations and charismatic churches is it a distinctly demonic activity in which the preacher can scream, pyste, whistle, clap their hands and few "church" to fall and he controls and manipulates "the church" just as he pleases.
6.) Repeatedly I have read and also personally heard that one punished if one opposes "God's Anointed". So leaders and preachers in the charismatic churches and conferences as they have a myriad of when activity levels are at their peak, when Holy Spirit anointing is absent.
7.) There are countless unbiblical and inadequate understanding of the Bible within its charismatic churches, one should gather all this, there had been books out of this.
8.) In charismatic churches can marry again countless times, living in sin and do most just one agrees with the manager who can be divorced and remarried several times himself.
9.) In charismatic churches there is a distinctly "elite" thinking that is totally alien to the general priesthood NT adds such importance.
10.) In charismatic churches there are numerous unscriptural doctrines which atonement is of course the very worst where one believes that Jesus atoned sin at Calvary, it's like Åge Åleskjær said, Calvary is a thing of the past!
Here I could almost seven days and have written at least five books on this. But we must do as God's Word says; these will you turn in from!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27512, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 11:21 p.m.
(End of quote of dispute).
Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-900-ulf-ekman-to-jeus-church-no.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-895-so-had-evangelist-torkild.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-684-from-aril-edvardsen-ulf-ekman.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/01/nr-640-ulf-ekman-moves-against.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-895-so-had-evangelist-torkild.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-684-from-aril-edvardsen-ulf-ekman.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/01/nr-640-ulf-ekman-moves-against.html
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