No. 1193: Kjell Andersen and Søkelys will not admit that I have only pointed out that it's Ulf Ekman would be Catholic, not others Protestants!

No. 1193:
Kjell Andersen and Søkelys will not admit that I have only pointed out that it's Ulf Ekman would be Catholic, not others Protestants!

PS! This is also written seven years before it happened! Then read everything I have written vigilantly and to find "wrong"!
I wrote this in 2007, Ekman became a Catholic in 2014!
Then one such dogs that Searchlight are met by biting and snapping constantly!

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/04/no-1192-nefarious-website-sokelys-by.html

Meanwhile, there are also others that "shifts" denominations. I have never denied. Therefore I write the following: "When Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken. "It is worth noting the plural" Ulf Ekman and other charismatics. "

So they must also read the second passage. Where points I that others will not be or may become Catholics. Not least as many Protestants are re-married which the Catholic Church does not accept remarriage.

Ulf Ekman's who "created" for the Catholic Church!

From Wikipedia:
"In his youth, Ekman was a member of a Swedish Communist Party KFML (s) before becoming a Christian, graduating from high school in 1970. He Studied ethnography, history and theology that Uppsala University and in January 1979 was ordained in the Church of Sweden, returning two Uppsala University to work as the chaplain for several years. "
Translated: "In his youth, Ekman was a member of a Swedish Communist Party KFML (s) before he became a Christian, graduating from high school in 1970. He studied ethnography, history and theology at Uppsala University and in January 1979 was ordained in the Lutheran church Sweden, back to Uppsala university to work as a priest in several years. "

I never meant to what I have written that there are other leaders who will be Catholics! And imagine, such persons as Jan Hanvold and others, they'd never been allowed to be Catholics when they are re-married and had never matched with people who are intellectuals and have morals and standards.
They will probably die as Protestants and perish when they will never repent!

Of course you need than not being intellectual to be saved, but my point is that Hanvold and current Pentecostal / carismatic falls through on all counts "!

But I wrote this at least seven years before it happened, and has hit so right. It impresses no infidels and wicked men who throughout Searchlight is filled up!

Look for an article I wrote:

No. 684:
From Aril Edvardsen Ulf Ekman - right into Babylon the great whore!

When I look back on my life , ministry and what I preached, taught and learned. So it has proved in all that I have learned as I said , preached and taught and had been right. Then in the basics and in the big picture , but also in detail. So also here ...... why I'm so bold to ask you who read this if you will stand with us ? And support us in every way right now to make new advances , we need your financial help in a special way when we want to start by posting speeches and miscellaneous . How are you doing and want to support us financially? Here is our account number:

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Photo by the late Evangelist Aril Edvardsen and his wife Kari . It was he more than any others opened the floodgates to what we now see. He was truly a pioneer of all that is negative and wayward !

From Aril Edvardsen ........

If we go further back in time, then the lot of us remember what happened when Arild Edvardsen in Farsund on 70 - and 80's invited charismatic Catholics in the pulpit . There was an outcry among several prominent Norwegian Pentecostal leaders , and Arild Edvardsen were excluded from the good team with a whitepaper . Arild , fearless and powerful deceived, thought it could be a problem with inviting Catholics who obviously had "Jesus" in the center , and in addition had experienced the baptism of the Spirit . Had they forgotten Mary, mother of Jesus either. If they prayed for her and Jesus , it was the same thing . Until Maria when her prayers were " safer ." He evidently meant that the ecumenical community of these was more important than "stand in dogmas and doctrines ."

There is no doubt that Aril Edvardsen was groundbreaking , to promote this now Pastor Ulf Ekman , Peder Halldorf and others have gone into full in.

We are so keen to be blessed that we do not see the big picture .

My experience is that people of faith are very gullible . They come to a meeting , hear song and speech. This was good , and the support it both financially and in other ways. But one comes in and preaches things that go a little deeper and draws the big picture and provide information beyond what one is used to. It boycotting one and will in no way support. This happened to Israel , just as the church . Therefore the prophet says the following:

At 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge , I also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me thou hast forgotten the law of thy God , I will also forget thy children.

Now, Pastor Ulf Ekman taken the step fully out and being Catholic. Here some of what he says:

' The Catholic Church has the most perfect expression of Christian unity '

I think it is Jesus' desire that all should be one , and the device to be specific. And I think that the Catholic Church has the most perfect expression of the device.

Furthermore, he writes in Swedish day translated into Norwegian following:

When asked what his main argument to be Catholic , Ekman responds that the fundamentals are because " the Catholic Church has the truth in its fullness ." Asked whether he wants all Christians in the long run to be Catholics , he replied : "I think Jesus wants everyone to be one, and I think the Catholic Church has the full expression for this device " . On the question " Shall also the Word of Life and Pentecostalism under the Pope in the long term ? " He answers : Is it dangerous? ( end of quote ) .

This is a brief historical development of Christianity within its how the approach has been to the Catholic church within its the Free Church communities here in Norway and Scandinavia. But the question is twofold , I believe on. How could it have happened ? And the way forward. The first is very easy to answer , to explain it is more difficult . Will compromise it down to two short answers :

1 ) How could it have happened , I ask about the approach and also the conversion to the Catholic Church ?

a ) Lack of fidelity to God's word.

b ) Lack of good and fearless preachers and pastors in the church of God .

2 ) And the way forward.

I am more and more convinced that the whole Christian world , more and more closer together , then the false unity will grow more and more forward . How? Yes, this will happen gradually and gradual , which already elucidated happened . I have a timely question :

When others will follow Ekman , or take the same step?

Peder Halldorf in Sweden who in his youth was a promising and anointed Pentecostal preachers have gone from that to being , and for me a show vases of preaching . Going back to its roots , dress as a priest or chain etc. So far it is possible to go astray . However, Peder Halldorf or someone else goes , what about the rest of Christendom? Unfortunately, there is so little Bible-believing cabinets and revelation today that Satan has almost a free pass into the church of God !

Final Comment:

It is very much to say, but it will eventually end in a large " Super - church " called Babylon the great whore . It is beyond any doubt. Today it is mostly accepted among Protestants , it again has paved the way for the Katoslke Church more than anything else. Had Protestants been Bible-believing and standing on God's word, had the spiritual development and the condition was completely and totally different.

Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-683-pastor-joakim-lundqvist-in.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-683the-false-prophet-ulf-ekman-is.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/01/nr-640-ulf-ekman-moves-against.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/03/nr-269-revival-or-concussion-what-can.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/03/nr-260-is-ulf-ekman-and-faith-movement.html

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/03/nr-260-is-ulf-ekman-and-faith-movement.html

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-900-ulf-ekman-to-jeus-church-no.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-895-so-had-evangelist-torkild.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-684-from-aril-edvardsen-ulf-ekman.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/01/nr-640-ulf-ekman-moves-against.html

No. 1192: The nefarious website Sokelys by Kjell Andersen lie again I've said that all the Pentecostal / charismatic movement should be Catholics, only Ulf Ekman I said!

No. 1192:
The nefarious website Sokelys by Kjell Andersen lie again I've said that all the Pentecostal / charismatic movement should be Catholics, only Ulf Ekman I said!

Actually it was Ulf Ekman almost the only protest examiner could become a Catholic when he is not separated and re-married! Hehe, Kjell Andersen lying that he almost believes it himself, ha haaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!

Kjell Andersen assertion falls for its own unreasonable. Jan Hanvold is the prototype of today's Pentecostal and charismatic Christians. Never if he could become a Catholic with their morals, their morale is high above him and today's Protestant believers!

Look what I have written, I have written clearly that Hanvold and other Protestants never neither can nor want to be Catholics.
I have many, many article and passage on it. Can not bear to look up all of this, but here is an article that underpin this as I say.

Look here:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-909-vision-norway-12-years.html

Ulf Ekman said I would be a Catholic, but few others!
It is simply because they are divorced and re-married and will never be "full" and accepted as Catholics.
But Ulf Ekman has only been married once, and "glide" when straight who believe that marriage is a sacrament. While Protestants running on the so-called innocent party can marry and divorce exactly as many times as he / she wants and will !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This Printer Kjell Andersen and Searchlight:
"Jan Kåre Christensen causing increasing attention. Friday turns Christensen and comparing himself with the Old Testament prophet Micah. The startling comparison will surely get many people to roll their eyes and create laughter around in the thousands of homes.
The reason that Christensen is now taking big words about themselves in their mouths is that Christensen January-rosemary-beard-profetentidligere should have written that Ulf Ekman and other charismatics will return to the Catholic Church, a theory including Nardus sect has been standard-bearer for decades. A number of the older preachers who saw the Catholic Church as Babylon the great whore of Revelation has over the years claimed just this, and that Christensen has borrowed message of these makes him hardly qualified to compare himself with an Old Testament prophet. More is not to say about a man who tries to make himself more important than he is. "

It is only in Kjell Andersen mind this is a "truth". I write the opposite.
This I wrote on Sunday 26 July 2015:
No. 1181: Jan Hanvold hatred against Ulf Ekman's just the Ondes diversions for Hanvold hatred against Jesus and Paul's teaching about marriage!

I'm writing in the headline: "Jan Hanvold hatred against Ulf Ekman's just the Ondes diversions for Hanvold hatred against Jesus and Paul's teaching about marriage!"
It could just as well been this: "Jan Hanvold hatred against Ulf Ekman's just the Ondes diversions for Hanvold hatred against Christensen and the Catholic Church teaching on marriage!"
Jan Hanvold is after my concepts a pervert and carnal person who has managed and still manage to nap sleeping and seduced Christianity (it does not take much to).
Jan Hanvold believe that Ulf Ekman is seduced by Satan and is a sick person has nothing on it really to do.
This is just a cabal of the evil, which he of course uses Hanvold which is the Ondes servant to live a life of sin. Hanvold are divorced - and re-married.

Hanvold attacker Ekman under the slogan that "attack is the best means for the defense." It is Hanvold and Hanvold sin being downplayed and overlooked here. The focus should not lie on Ekman, but fornicator January Hanvold.
Scripture says when the Catholic church right argue that when live one against God and Jesus bids.
Marriage with baptism (the Bible speaks only believer's baptism) and the sacrament, a fine assert is a sacrament.
Although I would not use those words. So learn the Catholic Church absolutely right regarding marriage, glory be to them for that!
Madness and cowardice affects the entire Norwegian Christianity that will confront Jan Hanvold Achilles' heel, it's that he is re-married as a "Christian"!
I have written so much about, therefore out what I have written before instead of writing something new. I stand for what I wrote as the headline here
"Jan Hanvold hatred against Ulf Ekman's just the Ondes diversions for Hanvold hatred against Jesus and Paul's teaching about marriage!"
But what is the tragic with all the problems in today's Christian Norway, is that no churches, preachers, orge nations or denomination grabs what is Christendom's most serious sin of omission in the ministry, life and practice. Marriage great significance for the Christian life, the individual and the entire community. Remarriage is and remains adultery for people of faith whatever reason!

This was written in 2007 kristenblogg.no:

59. It is strange to hear some here. Of course all the truths hidden present. I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken!

At Pentecost, which is not Pentecostals in the word sense, now allows empty Catholics will speak at the 100th selection, as witnesses to me about one thing, the prophecy comes true, as we ia For the revelation book 17-18.

It is clear that Hanvold say much good, but Leif and 90% of all defending him through thick and thin here, tells me that it is dangerous to bring sinners Christian meetings in Norway if that is the spiritual standard.

Jan Kåre
Comment # 27275, by jan | July 28th, 2007 at. 10:56
(End of quote).

Photo by Ulf Ekman got to meet the Pope in with her Madam, who in 2014 became a Catholic.
I had already in 2007 prophesied this under strong resistance, but as "normal"! Jan Kåre Christensen Holding forth the word of God was not mistaken, but were right and this was no surprise or wonder!

Here from the dispute which I received very strong resistance at krisnteblogg.no:
This comment got against me from Leif Gullberg in Bergen:
"I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken "
This claim is simply not true. And is it not true, then it is a false allegation. Ulf Ekman and other karismatiskere not return to the Roman church. And the Catholic Church is not some skjøgekirke - a word not found in the Bible.
Do you need to start reading a little of the Bible Jan Kåre. There you have a lot to learn. "

Now, nine years later as it turned out I had 120% right, but then 9 years ago I was warned not mind if I had a dangerous preaching. Talk about being wrong!

Look for further additional comments so that you get a bigger and better picture:

59. It is strange to hear some here. Of course all the truths hidden present. I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken!
At Pentecost, which is not Pentecostals in the word sense, now allows empty Catholics will speak at the 100th selection, as witnesses to me about one thing, the prophecy comes true, as we ia veneer revelation book 17-18.
It is clear that Hanvold say much good, but Leif and 90% of all defending him through thick and thin here, tells me that it is dangerous to bring sinners Christian meetings in Norway if that is the spiritual standard.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27275, by jan | July 28th, 2007 at. 10:56

60. ".. I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken "
This claim is simply not true. And is it not true, then it is a false allegation. Ulf Ekman and other karismatiskere not return to the Roman church. And the Catholic Church is not some skjøgekirke - a word not found in the Bible.
Do you need to start reading a little of the Bible Jan Kåre. There you have a lot to learn.
Comment # 27278, written by Legue | July 28th, 2007 at. 11:47

61. To Leif
You said that my preaching was dangerous for new believers.
Now I think that what you say is probably one of your own opinions that are not consistent with God's word.
I have pointed out the "links" that are today where more and more return to cooperation and recognition of Catholics, there Charismatics in the forefront.
I have been "learned" by the old Pentecostal and independent publishers what the Catholic church has stood for in 1600-1700 years and what impact it will stand in the end times, where the Antichrist and the False Prophet shall acquire use of the apostate churches before he pushes them out into the outer darkness and requires all worship itself. Now I understand that you oppose me and peers over again and justify such extreme preachers Hanvold, so basically to discuss with you is harder than to discuss with non-believers, they have at least respect for other people something I do not exactly is your trademark.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27282, by jan | July 28th, 2007 at. 1:33 p.m.

1. 1: To recognize Catholics is something quite different than "return to" Catholics as you claim.

2: Your training of other ministers could probably be well and good, but it does not help if they have taught you things that do not have a basis in the Bible. But WHAT they taught you, I know nothing about. Have they learned that the Bible mentions a "skjøgekirke", they have taught you wrong.

That's why I say you should read the Bible itself.
Comment # 27285, written by Legue | July 28th, 2007 at. 2:08 p.m.

2. To Leif

I think no matter what words and concepts that the Catholic Church is an apostate church that will play a crucial role in the end times that are much more alluring than Muslims and other religions.

Cooperation with the Catholic church will in the long run just before than things with them, that it is he that will affect us more than we as evangelicals will affect them.

Assume her in my people is a scripture that is suitable to use.

That there are charismatics who are the first to work with the Catholic church amazes not me when you really know it's Christian groups both really in learning is far from what I would say the word of God teaches and what the Protestant churches and churches have stood for, something many do not stand for long is another matter

But for once, respect that I do not believe in cooperation with the -Katolske church, so you and your peers do whatever else you want. That you have repeatedly defended the most extreme preachers can not travel.

Jan Kåre

Comment # 27310, by jan | July 29th, 2007 at. 9:06

3. "But for once, respect that I do not believe in cooperation with the -Katolske church, so you and your peers do whatever else you want."
Well, I do not believe in any cooperation, and has not said such a thing. But now the Church of Rome made this much easier for us after the last decree that only the Catholic Church can be considered the one true church. Thus, the also any cooperation impossible done.
Comment # 27311, written by Legue | July 29th, 2007 at. 9:26

4. To Leif

It's probably not that simple. Blue. Now when Pentecostalism will mark the 100 years since they experienced the Spirit, so there is a Catholic Bishop to speak.

Comment # 27368, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 0:59

5. Leif I can not imagine myself on you to defend Hanvold and in the strongest terms warn against me, that I empty is dangerous for new believers but not too old saved. No I do not understand your conclusions and understanding of things!
Comment # 27375, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 1:30

6. Bjorn Arne Rosland

I think you will walk away with his tail between his legs after you've commented on some things.

I work full time and many times I have not had time to answer some here and there, one or ancestral typos due to lack of time, I think you should be good to comment.

That many of the charismatic preachers so easily recognize Catholics should at least have been a paradox. For me, then I am convinced that it is the Catholic Church which will play the leading role in the spiritual area when Antichrist and the False Prophet appears, not Muslims or others. Only it should have been reason enough to not cooperate with such an apostate Church. That someone caught up in such unimportant if it is skjøgekirken or not does not matter. The Catholic Church does not believe in salvation in Christ, in the sacraments and in the church. Moreover, they have numerous unscriptural doctrines and sees itself as the only true church in the world.

And when we take that they have killed somewhere between 50-100 million born-again Christians should be reason enough to never cooperate with the apostate church. But now Spirit blunt Pentecostals have a Catholic Bishop to speak at the Pentecostal ceremony in Oslo Spektrum in September and they cooperate otherwise with the Catholic church, not I understand it!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27391, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 8:58


9. Bjorn Arne Rosland

Thanks for the good words.

I could not agree with you that we so "easy" to accept Catholics now as they empty makes the Pentecostal movement.

It's really opening up to forces that one does not have control over. Once one has opened up, so it is impossible to shut down, wait and see!

Jan Kåre

Comment # 27429, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 8:00 p.m.

10. To Bjorn Arne Rosland

You write: but I mean simplifying and produces often matters unilaterally

Then you have to prepare it better.

Read KS and there is a lid on anything that goes against some people in Oslo who sits in an office all day, it's what you want?

I want a much wider range of issues and things.

Notice one thing, you're criticizing me, why not focus on those who have an unbiblical preaching that most charismatics have now Pentecostalism likes to work with.

And why is God's presence become almost lost in the Pentecostal movement on the premises is better than ever?

Could it be disobeying the Lord and the Word of God? The Lord gives his spirit to those who obey him!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27431, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 8:17 p.m.

11. Probably disobedience to the Lord's Spirit. Those who try to run by the word, which the NT says we will be operated by the Spirit, are limited to the Spirit. They are rejecting much of the word of God, without wanting to realize that their limited brains can not trade places with manifestation of the Spirit of the word.

The letter kills but the spirit giveth life.

This kirkesamfunns- and motion worship is terrible. I can not see that the Bible shows some favorite communities. But still, some elevated this idea to the gun.
Comment # 27450, written by Arild Holta | July 30, 2007 at. 11:13 p.m.

12. Jan Kåre!

You write that you will have a much wider range of issues and things. But that is precisely what I think you are missing a part of.

You are no doubt sincere and wants to "stand for the truth," but if one is to find it, one must be willing to study issues and things from different angles. Then get an overall picture closest possible truth.

It seems like you feel dg mistreated by Pentecostalism, and I think that can apply a lot more than you.
 In recent years there have been an intellectualization and not least an elite thinking that I think the movement has lost much of.
 There are major key resources around the country that "is locked" because they have never been allowed to develop the vocation and the gifts they have received. This affects individuals in the first place. In turn, there will an even greater extent frame Pentecostalism and other movements that have not been willing to liberate the immense spiritual capital that those people represent.

Price movement has moved away from "the general priesthood" to a movement for a small elite. I think they will come to regret one time or another.

Now it incidentally several denominations and congregations that have developed in the same way, and it will inevitably end with spiritual poverty for them.

I've even worked about 10 years as a pastor full time and later as pastor in combination with journalism and managerial jobs within the press. For me, the combination has been perfect. It has given me a freedom to say and write what is in my heart, - instead of always searching for what people would rather hear.

Finally:
 In our attitudes and what we otherwise account for, it is important that the purpose of what we do always is to win people for Jesus, help them out of spiritual lethargy and heresy and contribute a constructive guidance so that people are saved for heaven.
 If we lose this purpose, we lose something essential.

Our opinion is therefore not the most important thing to fight for, but to save people for eternity. Then humility and prudence usually important tools.

We should all ask ourselves whether we carry everything we are and do, have the right motive. If not, it's time to turn back.

Bjørn Arne Rosland
Comment # 27467, written by Bjørn Arne Rosland | July 31, 2007 at. 9:47

13. To Bjorn Arne Rosland

To say that I am treated badly by Pentecostalism is mild act.

But I will never go away from what I believe and have experienced, therefore, I believe that a life in the Spirit is the only option.

Within its most Christian churches is the disobedience to God's word which is the biggest pitfall, and just what has the charismatic "renewal" got us away from by unilateral emphasize the spirit and experiences, and it is Pentecostalism unfortunately completely open today as I see it. It sees a not least by all the speakers who will speak at the Pentecostal 100th Anniversary shot just Reinhard Bonnke which in my opinion preaching a classical Pentecostal message!

Jan Kåre
Comment # 27468, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 10:27



1. Jan "evangelist" Kare wrote:
"Within its most Christian churches is the disobedience to God's word which is the biggest pitfall, and just what has the charismatic" renewal "got us away from ..."

The charismatic movement is just that Christians from different context has discovered that
 1. Christians are one, regardless of denomination limits.
 2. That the baptism of the Spirit is for all who are saved.

There has thus been an addition to what they thought before. Thus progress.

Jan Kåre has yet to prove heresy that is typical of the charismatic movement. In the charismatic movement there namely not doctrinal beyond the points I have mentioned. Those in the charismatic movement, have to learn by their denominations and traditions. As also is outside the charismatic revival.

The issue is thus very simple. But it is often the common denominator that is hard to find too many people let emotions run wild. It seems to be difficult for many people to simplify opposed to distort.

Elia / Johannes task was to simplify - "doing the Lord's paths straight." (Stand-sit.)

I think this is an important task for us Christians.
Comment # 27488, written by Arild Holta | July 31, 2007 at. 5:38 p.m.

2. To Arild

I think you're difficult, I have given you numerous information both for yourself and websites, read them and you will see that the Charismatics are based on experiences but not the word of God and Scripture alone!

Comment # 27496, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 6:56 p.m.

3. To Arild Holta

You mention ar Charismatics believe in the Holy Spirit. That's exactly what I have argued constantly.

But the charismatic movement differs from place to place, but there are still some common denominators.

Let me take a few.
When Kenneth Hagin not believe in atonement in common biblical and Protestant thought, but he atoned sin in hell, so we see that "all" charismatics as Ulf Ekman, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Aril Edvardsen and many others always defends Kenneth Hagin whether he does not have a biblical view of the most important in the word of God, the Atonement.

Most Fele cabinet Spirit not society. Within its charismatic as grower than experience, but when our experiences yesterday Winner Family Hard Rock word of God, so the experience is more important than God's word. I've heard many charismatics say repeatedly.
But there's a reason for that Pentecostalism and many others agree now charismatics, it is because there has been a huge drop in the spirit there than have opened up for error, than is not so diligently longer that than was before, it is more convenience for flesh and human nature!
Comment # 27498, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 8:12 p.m.

4. "Jan Kåre has yet to prove heresy that is typical of the charismatic movement"

Jan Kåre can never prove this. But for Jan Kåre it's good enough to claim that they are heresies, if he finds something to hang your finger on with someone who considers himself karismatiker. In this blog, he has a degree revealed how little he understands of God's word. Nevertheless, I am convinced that he is an honest guy.

Not surprisingly accepts he now only Reinhard Bonnke speaking to Pentecostal big reunion.
Comment # 27509, written by Legue | July 31, 2007 at. 10:27 p.m.

5. What is heresy in the charismatic congregations?

1.) What is not being preached, where holiness in biblical admonition is almost excluded. Without holiness no one will see the Lord. A notice when one is in such meetings that it is noisy and not bønnenånd and nådensånd which is prevailing.

2.) When Ulf Ekman preached in the 80s that Jesus atoned sin in hell, something he denies today. When such persons Ekman lying, speak false and distorts the truth exactly as he wants and people will believe a lie rather than the truth, then it is not easy.

3.) unscriptural leader model. The Bible mentions the oldest in the plural form, in charismatic churches is a leader on the top and a lederråd that he can dismiss and appoint exactly as he wants it.

4.) If one has the "right" faith, is an always fresh, happy, rich, as has the "right" belief, this is occult.

5.) In religious congregations and charismatic churches is it a distinctly demonic activity in which the preacher can scream, pyste, whistle, clap their hands and few "church" to fall and he controls and manipulates "the church" just as he pleases.

6.) Repeatedly I have read and also personally heard that one punished if one opposes "God's Anointed". So leaders and preachers in the charismatic churches and conferences as they have a myriad of when activity levels are at their peak, when Holy Spirit anointing is absent.

7.) There are countless unbiblical and inadequate understanding of the Bible within its charismatic churches, one should gather all this, there had been books out of this.

8.) In charismatic churches can marry again countless times, living in sin and do most just one agrees with the manager who can be divorced and remarried several times himself.

9.) In charismatic churches there is a distinctly "elite" thinking that is totally alien to the general priesthood NT adds such importance.

10.) In charismatic churches there are numerous unscriptural doctrines which atonement is of course the very worst where one believes that Jesus atoned sin at Calvary, it's like Åge Åleskjær said, Calvary is a thing of the past!

Here I could almost seven days and have written at least five books on this. But we must do as God's Word says; these will you turn in from!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 27512, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 11:21 p.m.
(End of quote of dispute).

Related links:

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/03/nr-260-is-ulf-ekman-and-faith-movement.html

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-900-ulf-ekman-to-jeus-church-no.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-895-so-had-evangelist-torkild.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-684-from-aril-edvardsen-ulf-ekman.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/01/nr-640-ulf-ekman-moves-against.html

No. 1191: Evangelist and Bible teacher Jan Kåre Christensen - a prophet ala Mika in our time! I prophesied as early as 2007 that Ulf Ekman would become Catholic! Part 1

No. 1191:
Evangelist and Bible teacher Jan Kåre Christensen - a prophet ala Mika in our time!
I prophesied as early as 2007 that Ulf Ekman would become Catholic! Part 1

This was written in 2007 kristenblogg.no:

59. It is strange to hear some here. Of course all the truths hidden present. I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken!

At Pentecost, which is not Pentecostals in the word sense, now allows empty Catholics will speak at the 100th selection, as witnesses to me about one thing, the prophecy comes true, as we ia For the revelation book 17-18.

It is clear that Hanvold say much good, but Leif and 90% of all defending him through thick and thin here, tells me that it is dangerous to bring sinners Christian meetings in Norway if that is the spiritual standard.

Jan Kåre
Comment # 27275, by jan | July 28th, 2007 at. 10:56
(End of quote).

Photo by Ulf Ekman who in 2014 became a Catholic. I had already in 2007 prophesied this under strong resistance, but as "normal"! Jan Kåre Christensen Holding forth the word of God was not mistaken, but were right and this was no surprise or wonder!

2 Kings 22 Now they kept him quiet for three years; there was not any war between Syria and Israel. 2 But in the third year it happened that Jehoshaphat, king of Judah went down to the king of Israel. 3 king of Israel said unto his servants, Know ye that Ramoth in Gilead is ours? And we still, and take it not from the king of Syria? 4 And he said to Jehoshaphat, Will you go with me to battle to Ramothgilead? Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel: As you, as I, as your people, my people, that your horses, my horses. 5 And Jehoshaphat said unto the king of Israel: Search dog appeared to know what the Lord says! 6 Then the king of Israel gathered together of prophets there were about four hundred men; and he asked them: Shall I go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I cease? They said, Go up! The Lord will deliver it into the king's hand. 7 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here any other prophet of the Lord, that we may inquire of the LORD by him? 8 king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, There is yet one man by whom we may inquire of the LORD, but I hate him because he does not prophesy good concerning me, but evil, it is Mika, Imlah's son. Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so! 9 king of Israel called one of his officers and said: Hurry up and get Mika, Imlah's son! 10 Meanwhile, put the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah, royal robes, each on his throne, in a void place at the entrance of Samaria; and all the prophets before them and uttered their predictions. 11 And Zedekiah son of Chenaanah made him horns of iron and said, Thus saith the Lord: With these shalt thou push the Syrians until you have consumed them. 12 And all the prophets prophesied so, saying, Go up to Ramoth Gilead! Then you will prosper, and the Lord shall deliver it into the king's hand. 13 And the messenger that went to call Micaiah said to him prophets with one mouth good to the king; Now therefore also your words fit with your predictions and well! 14 Micaiah said, As the LORD lives, 'What the Lord said to me, that will I speak. 15 And when he came to the king, the king said to him, Mika! Shall we go to war to Ramoth Gilead, or shall we refrain? He said, Go up! Then you will prosper, and the Lord shall deliver it into the king's hand. 16 And the king said unto him, How many times shall I adjure thee that thou shalt not speak me nothing but truth in the name? 17 And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd; and the Lord said: These have no master; let them return in peace, every man to his house 18 king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, Did I not say unto thee, He predicts no good concerning me, but evil? 19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word! I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right and left side. 20 And the Lord said, Who will persuade Ahab to go up to Ramoth Gilead, he falls where? And one said, and another so. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord and said, I will persuade him. The Lord asked him, How? / 22 He answered: I will go out and be a lying spirit in all his prophets. Lord said: Yes, you will persuade him, and prevail also; go out and do so! 23 Behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in all these thy prophets, but the Lord has decreed disaster for you. 24 Then came Zedekiah son of Chenaanah and smote Micaiah on the cheek and said: Which way is the Spirit of Jehovah passed over from me to speak unto thee? 25 Micaiah said, Behold, thou shalt see on that day when thou shalt go into an inner chamber to hide thyself. 26 king of Israel said, Take Micah and carry him back to the city captain Amon and to the king's son Joash 27 and say, Thus saith the king: Put this man in prison and feed him with prison food till I come in peace again! 28 Micah said, If thou return in peace, the Lord has not spoken by me. And he said, Hear, all ye people! 29 king of Israel went, and the king of Judah Jehoshaphat up to Ramoth Gilead. 30 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, I will disguise myself and go to the battle; but you put on your clothes on! So disguised king of Israel, and went into the battle. 31 But the king of Syria commanded his thirty and two chariot-captains, Ye shall not fight against them, neither small nor great, save only with the king of Israel. 32 And when the captains of the chariots saw Jehoshaphat, they said, This is certainly the king of Israel. And they turned aside to fight against him. Jehoshaphat cried out. 33 And when captains of the chariots saw that it was not the king of Israel, they turned back from him again. 34 But someone drew his bow and shot haphazardly and hit king of Israel between brynjeskjørtet and armor. Then he said to his chariot, Turn, and carry me out of the army! I am wounded. 35 But the battle was becoming harder that day, and the king was kept upright in the carriage against the Syrians; but in the evening he died, and the blood of the wound flowed into the Cart. 36 And down of the sun there went a proclamation throughout the camp: Every man to his city and his country! 37 Thus died king, and they brought to Samaria, and they buried the king in Samaria. 38 And when they washed the chariot in the pool of Samaria, the dogs licked up his blood while the harlots bathed there, according to the word which the Lord had spoken. 39 Now the rest of the acts of Ahab, and all that he did, and the ivory house he built, and all the cities that he built, are written in the kings of Israel. 40 And Ahab lay down with his ancestors and his son Ahaziah reigned in his place.

This is the story of one against all! Actually Davis fight against Goliath!

There are two prophets in the Old Testament of the same name. He is Micaiah short form of Heb. Mikajahu, 'Who is like Yahweh?', Common name in the Old Testament. Best known is the prophet Micah, the son of Imlah, who spoke against King Ahab (1 Kings 22) and Micah from Moresheth. We will look at the former prophet here in 1 Kings.

Note that both I and Mika were sharply contradicted, and it was the one against "Rokle." What happened? One got up and had the right, while the amount and all the others were wrong. So before so today!

Here is something else what I wrote almost 10 years ago, telling me that I relied solely and alone Lord. To hear from God, and be guided by him.

It was four hundred false prophets, but only one was true. Do you think / you that there are very big difference today from before? Scripture says the following:

Preacher 3. 15 What there is, it was already before, and what there is to be, it has even been before; God seeks that which is past.

Here are some quotes from me that are written as 9 years ago or thereabouts. And I said already then that Ekman would be Catholic, and meeting great opposition. Everything what I have written and spoken has happened down to about every millimeter. What other Pentecostals and charismatics have written and spoken, then everything happened just the opposite by and large it all!

See here for quotes by me 9 years ago:

This is the biggest spray I've read. Of course there are Pentecostals who have taken part in this.
But the first people to participate in the charismatic "renewal" was not Pentecostals but Catholics and Lutherans!
That Pentecostals and other friends have hung on, does not change that there is no "revival movement" that has generated so much heresy and little biblical substance as the charismatic "renewal"!
Comment # 26436, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 5:49

Of course it has and it is sure to happen positive things within its charismatic ramifications.




Had there been no posetivt so nobody would have believed seduction. There was no one who did so much "good" that
Hitler. And it's no one who does so much "good" such as Hamas.
But go to TEACHINGS within its charismatic, and it is here that the great weakness and seduction is.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26443, by jan | July 19th, 2007 at. 9:23

15. To Anonymous
What they learn in the charismatic circles?
The biggest "error" where in relation to the Pentecostal revival, Lutheran, Baptist and other evangelical churches, is that in the charismatic churches put man at the center, and not Christ. It sees a particularly here on the blog that they are open to the charismatic lack any kind of humility and meekness. In other words, they do not have a personal relationship with Christ.

Comment # 26475, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 6:42 p.m.
16. What is unbiblical preaching and teaching will take several books to write. A change in doctrine and preaching here and there for it to fit in most (Isaiah 5).
Comment # 26477, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 6:44 p.m.

21. To Anonymous
I've posted many links which deals with the charismatic "renewal", you get to see them.
When it comes to other Pentecostal churches, then the most in the Western world that is defiled by this deception, in other countries, it goes of course not ann preaching that if you believe in God then you can and should one become obscenely rich. If one does not get it, then an infidel, according to Hagin, Copeland, Åleskjær and other charismatics.
In other words, the charismatic "renewal" is so far from Evangelical faiths as it goes ann coming.
It's just a great falling within its evangelical churches that can and has opened up for the "charismatic" renewal.
Hope this has been clarifying anonymous, if not then you get contact by mail!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26490, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 7:30 p.m.

22. anonymous
When it comes to facing the Catholic church, they are completely open to this and cooperate with such except to warn against this, if they warn against anyone, it is to those who preach the Word!
Comment # 26492, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 7:32 p.m.

23. Anonymous
I can say with a few words what is the big kardinalforførelsen within its charismatic "renewal".
It is man in the center and not Christ. It goes over and over again. Therefore, turn you away from such and seek the Lord and seek fellowship with evangelical believers!
1. Joh. 4.1 to 2: "Beloved, Do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God; For many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God. "
I've tried the charismatic "renewal" of God's word and what the Spirit testifies in my spirit.
But there are those who will not listen no matter whatever comes, but there is lack of humility that allows one be deceived!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26494, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 7:45 p.m.

29. To Arild
As "religious" people so we agree on many things. I agree with Muslims and others also about many things. Such as belief in a spiritual reality, faith in God and ethical norms. But then we are not brothers in the faith of the Muslims? No, true unity can we just have the Word reason (Joh.e. 17).
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26503, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 8:06 p.m.

32. Jone
Pinsevekkkelsen has died here in the western world, but going forward by leaps and bounds in the 3rd world, Hallelujah.
But never mix the charismatic "renewal" in with the Pentecostal revival, there are two different things!
That Pentecostals today accepts most are probably more convenience, one has given up the Lord and accept everything!
But there is a vast difference between 1st generation Pentecostals and like today, where there are 3rd and 4th generation Pentecostals.
But so is when people like me who are 1st generation Pentecostal, we have the same spirit and preaching as 1st generation Pentecostals know!

When I preach, so have people come and act like I have the same spirit and preaching that Barratt had, is not it great?
Comment # 26511, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 8:21 p.m.

1. To Arild
Thanks for the good words. But I do not agree with you!
Brother Greeting
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26512, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 8:26 p.m.
2. "Evangelist" / Jan Kåre wrote:
4. To Arild
I've become warned of "maximum" hold in Pentecostalism of the so-called leading brothers, then you've probably quite right. But then they lost the anointing too.
You must do as Ulf Ekman, Aril Edvardsen and many others do, groom it close to deal with Catholics, that is where "everyone" is going back to, "mother church"!
Comment # 26517, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 8:39 p.m.

9. Arild
I do not believe in nurturing contacts with Catholics and let them speak as they do when the Pentecostal movement will celebrate the 100 year anniversary of the Pentecostal revival, as they have left, came to Norway and Europe.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26530, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 8:57 p.m.

10. To Anonymous
Do they know what they did once with me and some others at a Christian Centre meeting.
They yelled at us in tongues and swore and chased us out of meeting when we said that the proclamation of Leif Jakobsen was wrong!
This was as far back as in 1985. So this is a deception that has been going on too long.
Comment # 26533, written by Evangelist | July 19th, 2007 at. 9:00 p.m.

74. To Jone
Hear my speech.
Hanvold is an unholy like Esau. so I see it!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26700, by jan | July 21, 2007 at. 6:34

75. Now as Jannes and Jambres (2 Tim. 3).
When the Holy Spirit through Paul would describe the end times, so we notice that the denial of the, character, faith and the things of God would not be the big draw, rather the contrary!
When we read the history of the church, it was primarily through pinsevekkkelsen that signs, wonders and powerful effects were recognized and thought within its church of God, but then through strong resistance.
Now, well 100 years, this general acknowledged.
But just as Jannes and Jambres imitated Moses, so have the charismatic "renewal" mimicked Pentecostal revival, but without the cross and discipleship are complied with to the extent that it was the beginning of Pentecost.
It says those in the Sermon to say Lord, Lord, they have done signs and wonders and believed in God, but the Lord has never known him at them.
For me so emerges the charismatic "renewal" with Aril Edvardsen, Åge Åleskjær, Ulf Ekman, Jan Hanvold and many more that are synonymous on this. That several of them to speak at the Pentecostal movement 100 years anniversary speak enough for themselves that we have come far in the last days, just before Jesus will fetch the bride home and the Antichrist and the False Prophet will come forward!
But the Lord's true witnesses saw humbug and warns against it, some will believe, others will not understand and will get the same sentence as the unsaved, but then even worse, they have also misled others. Jesus said of such that it was better that they had hung a millstone around his neck and drowned himself, very strong words, strong words that I'd never used them if they had not been in the Bible!
Comment # 26705, by jan | July 21, 2007 at. 11:58

76. Arild Holta
Since serving falsehoods that others do here that I was not included, it is because you do not want to listen to the speech where I teach about this with remarriage and divorce, hear it so we can have a further conversation \ discussion, if you are interested?
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26707, by jan | July 21, 2007 at. 12:01

77. To Bjørn Arve Rosland
I do not think a middle ground that you talk about in the spiritual area, it will never succeed. There is only one road that leads forward and that's the crossroads!
And then there comes the blessing, the right blessing!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26708, by jan | July 21, 2007 at. 12:04

78.Til Arild and Jone
Please contact again when you heard my talk about divorce and remarriage.
Where I take out from God's word that it is against the Lord's permissive will that someone who should be a servant of the Lord can not be re-married as saved!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26713, written by Evangelist | July 21, 2007 at. 2:08 p.m.

79. Since you did not mean I documented it well enough that Hanvold and peers have disqualified himself for being Pastoral whatever he learns and does not learn. The reason for what you called, I have only to you then and everyone else who will take the time to listen, laid out a speech in which I based on the word of God shows that it is re-married who saved has disqualified himself for having an office in the church of God!
For the speech here: Evangelist
# 23804
Comment # 26715, written by Evangelist | July 21, 2007 at. 3:24 p.m.

75. Now as Jannes and Jambres (2 Tim. 3).

When the Holy Spirit through Paul would describe the end times, so we notice that the denial of the, character, faith and the things of God would not be the big draw, rather the contrary!

When we read the history of the church, it was primarily through pinsevekkkelsen that signs, wonders and powerful effects were recognized and thought within its church of God, but then through strong resistance.
Now, well 100 years, this general acknowledged.
But just as Jannes and Jambres imitated Moses, so have the charismatic "renewal" mimicked pinsevekkkelsen, but without the cross and discipleship are complied with to the extent that it was the beginning of pinsevekkkelsen.
It says those in the Sermon to say Lord, Lord, they have done signs and wonders and believed in God, but the Lord has never known him at them.
For me so emerges the charismatic "renewal" with Aril Edvardsen, Åge Åleskjær, Ulf Ekman, Jan Hanvold and many more that are synonymous on this. That several of them to speak at the Pentecostal movement 100 years anniversary speak enough for themselves that we have come far in the last days, just before Jesus will fetch the bride home and the Antichrist and the False Prophet will come forward!
But the Lord's true witnesses saw humbug and warns against it, some will believe, others will not understand and will get the same sentence as the unsaved, but then even worse, they have also misled others. Jesus said of such that it was better that they had hung a millstone around his neck and drowned himself, very strong words, strong words that I'd never used them if they had not been in the Bible!
Comment # 26705, by jan | July 21, 2007 at. 11:58

82. To Arild
Arild
I think that you and all other shows how much interested you are in the word of God when you do not want to hear the speech that I teach about this! But everyone has of course its free will.
I do not believe in unity without the Word reason!
Regarding charismatics and Pentecostals, not those who are today in Norway, but those who started pinsevekkkelsen, so it is something that is of great difference.
The "old" and some today speaks of discipleship of Christ.
To me it appears totally unknown to most charismatics this with discipleship, it has Jan Hanvold the time shown by his many marriages.
I do not doubt that they believe in God, signs, wonders and miracles.
But succession and take up his cross every day to follow Christ appears to me like a total stranger to the Charismatics.
When we return to what Paul said, "they have a form of godliness." In other words, they are worse issued a unsaved, it shows they at their lives and unhealthy learn!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26735, written by Evangelist | July 21, 2007 at. 8:53 p.m.

83. To Arild
It was then not supposed to hear the instruction that I had about this, but you would have much more understood what I mean and discussions \ conversation had been substantiated.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26737, written by Evangelist | July 21, 2007 at. 8:57 p.m.

84. To Arild
Your defensjoner the things I think is totally away in the night. You mean it to take God's word seriously is a carnal act, as I understand you, when is come to a level that those who want homosekuelle in church. But you see what "spiritual" what I see as spiritual and seductive. We must accept that we look differently at things. But God bless you, brother.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26739, written by Evangelist | July 21, 2007 at. 9:02 p.m.

85. Demonic inspired (1.Tim.4.1).
The "new" grace preaching to Åge Åleskjær directly demonic inspired, just like "Jesus only," Jehovah's Witnesses teach about the 144,000 Catholic church that they are the only "right" church and many other unbiblical doctrines. Åge Åleskjær is thoroughbred karismatiker shows well just overnight than once what is behind the charismatic preaching, not God, but his unlike Satan!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26742, written by Evangelist | July 21, 2007 at. 9:13 p.m.

88. Jone
Yes, of course I know it. YY have even believed in the Bible in Genesis 1, the book of Revelation.
Should one follow his lessons now so can remove most of God's word. The only one left with some letters of Paul and Acts, while so misstates he this also when there is only the YY said applies, and then in the way that he has received "revelation" over it.
In other words, it is demonic inspired preaching when one removes the word of God and adds also things like a lack coverage for the word of God!
Since there are others on this blog who are not interested in reading things as a warning and defense counsel, I have read the book to YY complete freedom!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26751, written by Evangelist | July 21, 2007 at. 10:38 p.m.

89. For anonymous
It's good you'll agree with me. I know what I am doing forward is the bible clear words.
I believe in the Spirit effects but without succession and that a holding forth that only cross the road that leads so it is a deception to emphasize God's love and grace of God!
Now as Jannes and Jambres stood against God by imitating Moses, so are Charismatics God against today. It is very serious, it causes people to perish, and not go to heaven if we do not preach; "it's only cross the road that leads".
Comment # 26753, written by Evangelist | July 21, 2007 at. 10:46 p.m.

106. To Anonymous
I've tried to explain that it is Janes and Jambres way the Charismatics and unfortunately some others go on. We had not shown who Jannes and Jambres were had no Holy Spirit had through Paul made those names and people who were ancient enemies of God's truth. We find this in 2 Timothy 3.8: "As Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth. They are corrupt minds, reprobate faith ".
Comment # 26780, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 8:21

107. It was extremely important that believers should have a clear understanding of this, what kind of resistance there was in fact, that these trolmænn did, and to have a right understanding, we must then enter the word.
Let's take 2 Tim 3.1 to 9: "But you should know that in the last days there shall come perilous times. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, without love of goodness, treacherous, reckless, puffed , lovers of pleasure rather than God. They have a form of godliness but denying its power. Such turn you from. To them belong also those who sneak into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led by many kinds of lusts, always learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. As Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth. they are corrupt minds, reprobate faith. But they will not have more progress, for their folly shall be manifest to all, as it also went with the two mentioned. "
Comment # 26781, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 8:36

108. It is particularly serious in nature of this resistance to the truth. The way how Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses was it simply the, that it barely possible, imitated everything he did. We do not find that the accused Moses that he acted under an evil influence, but snares that they tried to negate Moses influence by imitating him. In other words, it was as good all together.
From all this we can take a serious lesson, that the most Satanic resistance to God's testimony in this world comes from those who have a form of godliness, but denying the power of life. Something we see the fruits of life of the people who participate in the charismatic context, and that Pentecostalism in Norway has opened that up.
Comment # 26782, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 8:44

109. That's when everything becomes so popular that they are doing the same things as each other that the greatest offense comes, as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses by imitating him, it is the most difficult seduction to disclose.
Where it is necessary to understand this!
Where is it most important to keep in mind, that even as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so do these worldly, selfish and amusements enjoyment people against the truth.
There is no space for the cross in the Christian life many times today, it looks one by exactly the same traction that is in the world it is in * God's church.
Remarriage of preachers appears to me that the most serious of them all negative puller!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26783, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 8:52

110. What tells the simple story? Pinsevekkkelsen came preaching and experience of the Spirit's effects, which had been an unfamiliar experience for even many healthy evangelicals as Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, savior men and many others. Pinsevekkkelsen was a God outcrop.
Initially met pinsevekkkelsen strong resistance. But just as Jannes and Jambres withstood God and resist the truth to emulate Moses, so have the charismatic "renewal" stood pinsevekkkelsen and against God. This is a very important lesson to understand, or so one might be worse off than even believers.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26784, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 8:57

111. Conclusion
As I see it, it has such charismatics who Aril Edvardsen, Kjell Haltorp, Jan Hanvold, Åge Åleskjær, Oasis movement partly (not as strong as religious movement, but the elements are there), Ulf Ekman and other charismatics stood against the truth in the same way as Jannes and Jambres withstood God and against Moses, by imitating Moses and what God has done through pinsevekkkelsen but not by going on the same way and have the same hearing, so they have become deceivers instead of theirs!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26785, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 9:02

112. When you set up where these preachers preach, then you are to legitimize this.
But those who preach the Word today, many times take a secular job or struggling fulltime preacher many times, so also show God's people that they are not aware of its responsibilities. It is so important that a boycott and turns in these as scripture says, and supports those who preach the Word and those who hold forth the truth!
I consider it absolutely essential for God to come to this country, that those who have a vocation and a service of the Lord, are being held in high esteem. But those who do not hold out the word of God, being hated, that is exactly what Paul also says, "they should not have more progress." (2.Tim.3.9).
Comment # 26787, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 9:09

116. To me this appears to follow that totally unknown to most believers.
I've got a unison piston against me because I have pointed out what God's word says about things.
But those who turn a bit here and there, are accepted everywhere.
Is the revival or back once a day? Or are spiritually "empty" in the parishes around. Or God's presence?
I think only of one thing, that preach the Word and live thereafter.
to olec
Capabilities not a Pastor to live what he preaches, which Hanvold and others, they become garbage collectors or anything else, just do not preach!
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26793, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 11:34

124. 2 Cor. 11. 13-15: "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And it is no wonder, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light! Then it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed to justice servants. But for them the end will respond to their deeds. "
Throughout church history Satan has always first tried to stop God's driver through resistance, does not it, it's "cooperation". He has to transition successfully now through catholic and charismatic work.
Comment # 26803, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 12:26

125. For anonymous
I think you write very factual, spiritual and well!
Their demise does not live the word of God teaches, but believe in God, is the lake of fire!
That is why it is so important not to be deceived, but be spiritually sober.
I have experienced countless blessings, signs and wonders, but the savior either me or others.
But only Jesus and that I take up my cross every day and follow him; it is just cross the road that leads, Hallelujah!
Comment # 26804, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 12:31

18. To Jone
But for them the end will respond to their deeds says in 2 Cor. 11 which I have quoted.
It is not always that which is of man or Satan that there is little, rather the contrary. Both the Catholic church, Muslims and many others are as large movements, but spiritually false.
I think it says in 2 Corinthians 11 that Hanvold, I and everyone else will stand before God, and we shall all answer for our lives.
But I would not for all the world's money been Hanvold their shoes and stood understand the living God and have lived such a life like him.
Jan Kåre
Comment # 26843, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 10:36 p.m.

21. To Leif

I know one thing, you have no understanding of spiritual things when you have your say as you do.

Everyone must answer for everything he has taught and learned.

I would not for anything in this world preached so much heresy for as many as Edvardsen has done, then should I wished me death rather than having preached \ learned Edvardsen made.

But luckily, I do not have it.

Jan Kåre

Comment # 26849, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 10:58 p.m.

22. Jone

I do not really black for what you ask for before. But you can get a last scripture from me.

It says in 1 Cor. 9:27: "But I chastise my body and bring it into subjection, lest when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

Here Paul speaks of something that neither Hanvold and many others do not live according to the way I see it. One can ask the people to salvation in droves and experience cured and everything else, but could perish if one does not even subdues his body. It can safely be said with Hanvold that he has subdued his body, he may have experienced the good things of the Lord!

Jan Kåre

Comment # 26850, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 11:05 p.m.

23. Jone

Lie on your knees and pray to God in Jesus' name and read the Bible in silence and you will experience great, glorious and mighty things, to clarify everything that comes to your life and you will be a great blessing for others even if one too will experience great resistance both in the natural and in the spiritual world. But everything goes to victory in Jesus' name anyway!

Jan Kåre

Comment # 26851, written by Evangelist | July 22, 2007 at. 11:16 p.m.

30. Leif comes again with a diversion scripture. There is clear it is good that people preach Christ, even though the motives are sometimes not true always. I also find sometimes that I fall short.

But it is NOT this is all about. This is about those who stand against the truth that sorcerers Janes and Jambres withstood God and against Moses by imitating what God did through Moses.

Where does much of the charismatic "renewal" in with Hanvold, Edvardsen and all other charismatics. And now largely Pentecostalism become as apostate as the charismatic!

I've been lied on, opposed, freeze out, neglected, cursed, they have tried to flatter me, they have encouraged, they have told that I am a great man of God and much else.

But while not teaching within its charismatic changed and they go in themselves, so it will be for me a great deception charismatic "renewal".

Jan Kåre

Comment # 26860, written by Evangelist | July 23, 2007 at. 0:29

37. Additional Comment

To not always just use Canaan language, I can use an image from the world of sport.

We know that the sport so it is important to be no. 1, there is something everyone is fighting to be.

But now it turns out that many of those who have won gold and become no. 1 have used illegal means to win, they have doped themselves, so it is not just training and skills underpinning, but they have used illegal funds to be no. 1 and win gold.

The same will happen on the spiritual life. I have no trouble believing that many of those involved in charismatic and Pentecostal churches and other churches have experienced things with God.

But when it is mixed with "illegal" things out in the word of God, then there will be false and not genuine.

What are the "illegal" tinga? That's all that does not agree with the word of God and the Holy Spirit.

Much can also be good, but it is wrong when one bases his life and his service on it.

Let me take an example. Some of the new is the leader seminar, but it makes the world much better than the Christians. I've been working on one of the most "successful" companies in Norway for 10 years and they had much better leader seminar than the leading school with Aril Svartdahl offers but gullible and spiritual Christians are easy prey for such courses.

No, we must go back to the good old way, the old trails that prophet Jeremiah writes. We must return to the Word and witness burden Isaiah says, the early Christians stressed the word and prayer, that is where the opportunity for real spiritual progress is in the church of God, nothing else!

That the "modern" Christians are choosing another path, it must especially shepherds in the church of God take on his mantle (Ezekiel 34), but I believe God in spite of all apostasy raise up a new people where one will see exactly the same characteristics as the early Christians. Why were the early Christians called Christians? Because their life and ministry resembled the Christ preached, back where I always want to be!

Jan Kåre

Comment # 26892, written by Evangelist | July 23, 2007 at. 1:31 p.m.

40. For anonymous

When you are here on the blog, at meetings or reading Christian newspapers, so you must be on guard today. Satan does not always go around like a roaring lion, but also as a cunning snake.

Read yourself and consider, this is taken here from the blog:

Zeus was creator of the universe and Lord, and Paul had no trouble jamstille Zeus with Israel when he visited Athens.

This is one of Satan's many lies today, no equivalent to our God, he is God above all gods!

Jan Kåre

Comment # 26900, written by Evangelist | July 23, 2007 at. 5:19 p.m.

59. It is strange to hear some here. Of course all the truths hidden present. I have just pointed out when Ulf Ekman and other charismatics return to the Catholic church, then they come back home. To skjøgekirken!

At Pentecost, which is not Pentecostals in the word sense, now allows empty Catholics will speak at the 100th selection, as witnesses to me about one thing, the prophecy comes true, as we ia veneer revelation book 17-18.

It is clear that Hanvold say much good, but Leif and 90% of all defending him through thick and thin here, tells me that it is dangerous to bring sinners Christian meetings in Norway if that is the spiritual standard.

Jan Kåre

Comment # 27275, by jan | July 28th, 2007 at. 10:56

2. To Leif

I think no matter what words and concepts that the Catholic Church is an apostate church that will play a crucial role in the end times that are much more alluring than Muslims and other religions.

Cooperation with the Catholic church will in the long run just before than things with them, that it is he that will affect us more than we as evangelicals will affect them.

Assume her in my people is a scripture that is suitable to use.

That there are charismatics who are the first to work with the Catholic church amazes not me when you really know it's Christian groups both really in learning is far from what I would say the word of God teaches and what the Protestant churches and churches have stood for, something many do not stand for long is another matter

But for once, respect that I do not believe in cooperation with the -Katolske church, so you and your peers do whatever else you want. That you have repeatedly defended the most extreme preachers can not travel.

Jan Kåre

Comment # 27310, by jan | July 29th, 2007 at. 9:06

Bjorn Arne Rosland

I think you will walk away with his tail between his legs after you've commented on some things.

I work full time and many times I have not had time to answer some here and there, one or ancestral typos due to lack of time, I think you should be good to comment.

That many of the charismatic preachers so easily recognize Catholics should at least have been a paradox. For me, then I am convinced that it is the Catholic Church which will play the leading role in the spiritual area when Antichrist and the False Prophet appears, not Muslims or others. Only it should have been reason enough to not cooperate with such an apostate Church. That someone caught up in such unimportant if it is skjøgekirken or not does not matter. The Catholic Church does not believe in salvation in Christ, in the sacraments and in the church. Moreover, they have numerous unscriptural doctrines and sees itself as the only true church in the world.

And when we take that they have killed somewhere between 50-100 million born-again Christians should be reason enough to never cooperate with the apostate church. But now Spirit blunt Pentecostals have a Catholic Bishop to speak at the Pentecostal ceremony in Oslo Spektrum in September and they cooperate otherwise with the Catholic church, not I understand it!

Jan Kåre

Comment # 27391, written by Evangelist | July 30, 2007 at. 8:58

What is heresy in the charismatic congregations?

1.) What is not being preached, where holiness in biblical admonition is almost excluded. Without holiness no one will see the Lord. A notice when one is in such meetings that it is noisy and not bønnenånd and nådensånd which is prevailing.

2.) When Ulf Ekman preached in the 80s that Jesus atoned sin in hell, something he denies today. When such persons Ekman lying, speak false and distorts the truth exactly as he wants and people will believe a lie rather than the truth, then it is not easy.

3.) unscriptural leader model. The Bible mentions the oldest in the plural form, in charismatic churches is a leader on the top and a lederråd that he can dismiss and appoint exactly as he wants it.

4.) If one has the "right" faith, is an always fresh, happy, rich, as has the "right" belief, this is occult.

5.) In religious congregations and charismatic churches is it a distinctly demonic activity in which the preacher can scream, breathe, whistling, clapping their hands and get the "church" to fall and he controls and manipulates "the church" just as he pleases.

6.) Repeatedly I have read and also personally heard that one punished if one opposes "God's Anointed". So leaders and preachers in the charismatic churches and conferences as they have a myriad of when activity levels are at their peak, when Holy Spirit anointing is absent.

7.) There are countless unbiblical and inadequate understanding of the Bible within its charismatic churches, one should gather all this, there had been books out of this.

8.) In charismatic churches can marry again countless times, living in sin and do most just one agrees with the manager who can be divorced and remarried several times himself.

9.) In charismatic churches there is a distinctly "elite" thinking that is totally alien to the general priesthood NT adds such importance.

10.) In charismatic churches there are numerous unscriptural doctrines which atonement is of course the very worst where one believes that Jesus atoned sin at Calvary, it's like Åge Åleskjær said, Calvary is a thing of the past!

Here I could almost seven days and have written at least five books on this. But we must do as God's Word says; these will you turn in from!

Jan Kåre

Comment # 27512, written by Evangelist | July 31, 2007 at. 11:21 p.m.

Final Comment:

Coming back to more in Part 2. The article was much longer than I imagined than this would be when I started with it!

Related links:

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/03/nr-260-is-ulf-ekman-and-faith-movement.html

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-900-ulf-ekman-to-jeus-church-no.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/03/no-895-so-had-evangelist-torkild.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-684-from-aril-edvardsen-ulf-ekman.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/01/nr-640-ulf-ekman-moves-against.html

No. 1190: Jan Hanvold was also married for the second time - not only the first and third time!

No. 1190:
Jan Hanvold was also married for the second time - not only the first and third time!

To gorge themselves in the flesh!

2 Tim. 2. 25 so he meekness show them the way that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth 26 and wake up from his wine in the devil's snare, having been caught by him must do his will.

HANVOLD HAVE NEVER DENIAL OF ITS OWN FLESH - BUT GIVEN THAT ALL THERE WOULD HAVE AT ALL TIMES! THEREFORE THE MANY EKTSKAP THAT TELLS THAT HE IS A ULV in sheep's clothing!

It may not be so Hanvold has a standard. While everyone else should follow God's word? So it seems to me that it is, but then we might as well kvite us with the whole Bible and just take out the verses that suits us at any time!

Hanvold expect others to follow God's word with ia giving tithes and the homosekuelle abandoning his homosexuality!

This is not directly unscriptural, but what he himself? He never denied his own flesh, but it's been lined with sex constantly!

Hanvold is in danger if he is not already entered under the judgment of God for their lives!

See here for an example of God's judgment:

2 Chron. 16. 1. In the thirty-sixth year of Asa's reign Baasha king of Israel went up against Judah and built Ramah, to prevent anyone to go out or come in to Asa king of Judah. 2 Then Asa took silver and gold out of the treasures of the house of the Lord and the king's house and sent it to the king of Syria Benhadad, who lived in Damascus, saying: 3 Between me and thee there is a league, as it was between my father and your father. I have sent thee silver and gold; break thy league with Baasha king of Israel so he will withdraw from me! 4 Ben Hadad listened to King Asa and sent the commanders of his armies against the cities of Israel, and they smote Ijon and Dan and Abel-maim and all the store cities of Naphtali. 5 When Baasha heard it, that he left off building Ramah, and let his work cease. 6 Then Asa the king took all Judah; and they carried away the stones and timber Baasha had Ramah, and built with it Geba and Mizpah fortresses. 7 At that time Hanani the seer came to Asa king of Judah and said to him: Because you relied on the king of Syria and not to the Lord your God, therefore acids king's army escaped out of your hands. 8 Were not the Ethiopians and the Libyans a huge army with chariots and horsemen in great abundance? But because you at that time relied on the Lord, he gave them into your hand. 9 For the eyes fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Thou hast done foolishly that in this; for from henceforth thou shalt have wars. 10 Then Asa was wroth with the seer, and put him in prison; so angry was he at him for this. At the same time Asa oppressed some of the people. 11 Now the acts of Asa, first and last, lo, they are written in the book of Judah and Israel kings. 12 of his reign nine and thirtieth year was Asa sick in his feet, and his disease became worse and worse; yet in his disease he sought not to Jehovah, but the physicians. 13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in his reign one and fortieth year. 14 They buried him in the burial place which he had cut out for himself in the city of David, and laid him in the bed which was filled with spices of various kinds, prepared according to the work of a perfumer; and they made a very great fire in his honor.

Notice what Asa experienced due disobedience against the Lord:
"In his reign nine and thirtieth year was Asa sick in his feet, and his disease became worse and worse."

This writes Jan Hanvold on its Facebook page, it's like Asa is resurrected. They are both disobedient against the Lord, but will "serve" the Lord in their own way:

"Although we sometimes live in a painful hell. With little sleep. "

This says the false prophet Jan Hanvold who is a wolf in sheep's clothing and that has never ever denied his own flesh. But lined it with everything it could wish for. This is the world, and is so far from God and Jesus bids it is possible to get.

1 Jn. e 2. 15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world! If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 For all that is in the world, the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but from the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he who does the will of God abides forever.

In this life living Hanvold, and the verdict is either reached or very imminent. That is for sure.

Notice what it says. Lust of the flesh, swashbuckling over what he has got etc. Hanvold gorge themselves and their own flesh, while he boasts that he has managed to seduce the faithful to give in to his own TV channel and work. This is a deception that really is easy to discern if one is not spiritually blind and shortsighted!

Hanvold was married before, here is his testimony to this. Not very good reading right:

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2015/07/no-994jan-hanvold-on-radio-1077-here-in.html

Here is an article I wrote about Hanvold who speaks his:

Nr. 518:
The cardinal sin of Pastor Jan Hanvold that he is himself guilty of adultery and two are "married" for the third time!


Hey!


You write a lot about Vision Norway and Pastor Jan Hanvold. But you write sometimes so much that it is the cardinal sin of Pastor Jan Hanvold that he is even guilty of adultery and two are "married" for the third time, it will be gone. Then everything else he does, preaches and what it had to be also be wrong. Otherwise, stand in brotherhood and God's blessing upon you and yours. If you do not agree with what I write?


Agnar P


What Hanvold have said on Radio 107.7 in Oslo several times is that you write that he himself is to blame for his two adultery and he could not and would not live solitary word of God says. Is totally agree with you. He will be supported out of the church scripture says and left to Satan so that he shall if possible could go itself! Picture that Satan is behind Hanvold and to which he belongs and serve by virtue of their sinful life and hideous theology. And those who in some way are with him to share in his sin and come in ledertog with demons to a greater or lesser extent. So serious is this, Hanvold and Vision Norway is like a malignant tumor that makes greater and greater damage for which it is spreading, and continue living without being removed






Jan and Inger Hanvold do not live as married by the word of God, but living together. It is living in adultery, it does nothing to "confess" their sins no one repents 180 degrees. It is to repent giving and grants us forgiveness of sins!

I remember that there were those who said that Hanvold was "innocent" and therefore he can remarry. But here is one that also says that even something we all know he's guilty of two adultery. What? Since liver both he and his "new" wife of adultery when she - tournaments - is married to a divorced. They both sin to death and puts itself without passing the grace of God. And they will drag others along in their wild helpful way to do the same and that is good for them and their work!

The eyes of Inger looks demonic and unhappy, as if she is on something. What she "goes" is Satan intoxication scripture says why do they also His will.

2 Timothy 2:26 and wake up from his wine in the devil's snare, having been captured by him to do his will. 1 Timothy 5:15 For some have already alienated by Satan.

It's true what you write Agnar that here it is a cardinal sin that makes everything else is also wrong. Whether it is "right" preaching assistance or television broadcasts. Scripture teaches the same:

1 Cor. 13th 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give to feed the poor all that I possess, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.

Dear Agnar and the rest of you who are reading this.

It is quite right that you write Agnar, Hanvold main sin is that he is living in adultery. Is re-married for the third time as a Christian and have guilt even in its two adultery after what he said in public!

It does nothing to engage in relief work, TV work, preaching, Bible and what it had to be if you live in blatant adultery and sin by script - the New Testament.

Sorry that is not my focus has always been there. At Hanvold can never do anything right with God and man. It's so clear in God's word in 1 Cor. 13th (Freely translated) 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have re-married as a believer, I am become sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have re-married as a Christian, I am nothing. 3 And if I give to feed the poor all that I possess, and though I give my body to be burned, but do not live with first and rightly wife, it profits me nothing. (Freely translated is in line with scripture).


I think of my own life Agnar, I have lived opposite one Hanvold. But there are quite many who write to me that I should go in myself etc. I really think it is to miss. It is Hanvold and the living in sin who must themselves first and foremost, not us.

What does God's word on divorce and remarriage of believers? Want to bring a Chronicle of the day 06/06/01 by Dag Rune Lid


Cohabitation, Divorce and Remarriage in the Bible light

Divorce statistics show that there are a total of 10,000 couples who are divorced in the past year in Norway. There is an unimaginable number and it is painful to think of all the trouble this causes for many of those involved - especially the children. It appears that one of the devil's cunning attacks this past time is to destroy the homes, thereby destroying the cells due to the structure of society. The result is that society disintegrates.

The devil knows how dangerous a Christian home is. They can be as small beacon in a dark world, so these now attacked from all sides and it feels too much trouble in this area within the Christian people. Now we read in the media that "It's like the plug has come loose in Christian contexts, it's been okay for Christians stand." And in speaking of cohabitation so it becomes easy featured in round formulations as not to offend anyone. But that does not speak the Bible, and we need as a Christian people to stop up.

The older ministers talked about the people who are preaching is. When the shepherds can no longer say what the Bible speaks manifested, then we also experience the Bible like a sore that one should also reap. When the Bible speaks of the reason that we are now experiencing in our people as God speaks to his people and said: "You are the salt of the earth! But if the salt lose its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. "(Matthew 5:13)

A true Christian can not compromise on the Bible, then it will also be on a collision course with who one day will judge the living and the dead. The Lord Jesus is one with His Word and He is yesterday and today the same. The question then becomes important for those who intend to heaven becomes: What word of God says about these topics?

Cohabitation - marriage

Today, cohabitation is widely accepted in the people - from the top of the social ladder and placed in the "Christian" series, but the Bible cohabitation as adultery and says that those who live like shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 7:2 and 1 Thessalonians 4:2-5.)

God wanted man well and instituted the lifelong marriage frame about the love between man and woman. (Mark 10:7 and Ephesians 5:31) The importance of this is reflected by the fact that the Lord did this in the 6th commandment that says "Thou shalt not commit adultery," or it can also be translated: "Thou shalt not commit adultery."

There are some basic principles that runs through everything that the Bible speaks of marriage. There are things that are immutable, they belong to the order of creation. God emphasizes this when he says in 1 M 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

Jesus also refers to this when he speaks of marriage in Food. 19:3 ff. The spouses shall be one flesh and jointly share the joys and sorrows that this entails.

The Bible puts marriage into a social and legal context. In the word of 1M 2:24 says that "man shall leave his father and mother." This means that he is from a legal and social context and into another, where it is clear to everyone that these two by marriage has formed a new unit that will last a lifetime.

Based on the word of God will not help out a legally binding confirmation that marriage is entered into. The Bible has no formula for how a marriage shall be entered into. Society's plans for marriage is valid, if they do not violate God's word. It is important to emphasize is that marriage is a legal change of life-long relationship status made in full transparency and confirmed by the couple, their parents and the authorities. For a Christian, it is natural that marriage also entered into the word of God and prayer. A cohabitation lacks any biblical grounds. It is based on subjective feelings and private decisions. Cohabitation is a lack of willingness to make a decision of lifelong character and a desire to live together sexually without taking on the obligation of the Bible relates to such unions.

Divorce

The Bible says that divorce is against God's will. Jesus says in Matthew 19:4-6, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall be one flesh? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. "See also Mark 10:6-9, Luke 4:18 p.m., 1 Corinthians 7:10-11.

The New Testament has two specific exceptions where divorce is not a sin. The one exception is found in Matthew 5:32 "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than adultery is causing her to commit adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. »The second exception mentioned in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16. You have got an unbelieving spouse who demand a divorce if the other does not want to enter the Christian faith. Other exceptions are not mentioned in the NT.


Remarriage


The Bible also speaks clearly in this case. In Luke 4:18 p.m. says, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery. And whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. "Jesus' words in Mark 10:11-12 is not to be misunderstood:" Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, guilty of adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery. "

Paul writes as clearly in 1 Corinthians 7:10-11: "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord: A wife must not separate from her husband. But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. "

We note that Paul refers to a commandment from the Lord. It is given only two options for the divorced wife: To remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. The theory that the innocent party may remarry after a divorce based on Matthew 19:9 where Jesus says, "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another , committeth adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "

From this it is believed to have coverage for a man who is separated from his wife because she has committed adultery can remarry. But such an interpretation violates the parallel Bible verses cited above. True biblical interpretation has always been the guiding star that the clear words must illuminate the less clear, and in this case it is more clear verses that go against remarriage.

Train up a child

The Bible says in Words 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: So he does not shy from it when he is old. "Scripture emphasizes that it is important to teach the young. We believe that our time is particularly important in this context, when the concrete situations arise with their own children, the family and between friends, it becomes far more difficult to take this up if not before been described.

How society has become de-Christianized during the last 20-30 years, many have run up in very difficult situations humanly and requires the love, care and confidence in the counselor who will try to guide you the word of God. One will certainly experience the need for the help that the Bible assigns in James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God - for God giveth to all men liberally and without reproach - and he will get it."

Also in these areas of life is the reparation and forgiveness to get to the turn and recognize sin as sin. God says so nice in Isaiah 1:18-19: "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

But forgiveness and grace can never be used as a patch on syndesår without settlement and repentance from sin. Today we experience the grace used to, but it is not biblical tale. That is what the ancients called to "sin of grace". No, let us listen to the Bible speak and live the way God intended for His people. There is a difference between falling into sin and for life contrary to God's word. When we live in sin!


And do not forget that God wants you only the best, "I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord. Thoughts of peace and not of evil. I'll give you a future and a hope. "(Jer. 29:11) The best thing for any human being to organize their lives according to God's will and commandments, and let the Word judge sin as sin. Whoever does the will experience the same as David - "And you took away my sins." (Psalm 32:5)


Final comment:


Agnar and the rest of you who have read this article, I hope there have been with you what I would have said. At Hanvold is by writing a person to be supported out of the church and the Christian community. The scripture speaks of. Why? Because he has not repented of his sin. It helps little to confess his sin, as long as one does not repent from it.

1 Corinthians 5 1 On the whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even mentioned among the Gentiles: that is joined to his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from you. 3 For I, for my part, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, field the judgment of those who have done this, 4 that he shall our Lord Jesus, giving and my spirit together in our Lord Jesus' power, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. 6 It is not handsome that I boast of you off. Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened for our passover is sacrificed for us: Christ. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with malice and wickedness; but with purity and truth unleavened bread! 9 I wrote to you in my letter that I should not have intercourse with fornicators - 10 I did not mean to ordinary fornicators of this world or the greed and robbers, or idolaters, or had ye go out of the world: 11 But now I have written to you, was that I should not have intercourse with any man that is called a brother and a fornicator, or covetous person or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or robber, so I do not even eat with him. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge only those who are within? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Put away the wicked man from among yourselves


What is this? Yes, when a living as Hanvold making or other obvious sins, he will be denied access to the church. Do not have an opportunity to be part of the Christian community, and not take part in the sacrament. For him to be able to go in themselves and not infect the Christian community. This is the way the Bible and the New Testament teachings even though the opposite is practiced and enforced today, so this is what God's word teaches!


Taking finally an article by Jan Johansson on church discipline:


Assembly Discipline or church discipline - or as it is commonly called earlier church discipline - it is quite silent about today. In many quarters it is hardly practiced either. And it is a serious matter. Many believe enough - with a hint of truth - that it belongs to the past of the Christian Church's history, a judicial and loveless age. Like everything else has almost certainly also forsamlingstukten been abused and thus caused great damage. The greater the blessing, the bigger the curse when something is misused.

But just applied the assembly instruction a priceless blessing. Therefore, it should be about to do for everyone it again is practiced where it is not now the case.

But here we hasten slowly. No human being is in itself capable of exercising assembly instruction. Made it with such a basis, it will mostly cause harm. It can either be by unloving judge ill or by following the so-called "Christian" opinion and let people continue to live in sin. Therefore we should be cautious about trying to organize forward assembly instruction. It can not organize, but emerges in which the spiritual life is fresh. For real assembly instruction is nothing but spiritual guidance from beginning to end. Therefore, we all need to turn to our "souls shepherd and overseer" (1 Peter 2.25) that he can make our own mind. How can we awakened to care for the souls of our brothers and sisters, and be filled with Christ's love, wisdom and zeal. This is required for forsamlingstukten might work. Furthermore, we think that the assembly instruction causes pain. It's not just the false, where one goes up in adjudicating human power, but also the real, where people led by the Holy Spirit to work through to try to show the way it has come on the wrong track. Nothing good is born without pain. It applies to the federation as well as for the flocks.


But when this painful work is carried out with the love of Christ as the driving force, is the spiritual brother band to be strengthened. Nowhere are they as strong as where the wires to the suffering and sacrificial love are interleaved.


Assembly Discipline in practice


We begin by reading in 1 Corinthians 5.1 to 8: "On the whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even named among the Gentiles: that a man living with his father's wife. And ye are puffed up! Ought you not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you that I probably absent in body but present in spirit, have already - as if I was with you - concerning him who has done this. In our Lord Jesus, and you shall gather my spirit in our Lord Jesus' power, that he hath sinned shall be delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. It fits badly that you commend you!

Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For our passover is sacrificed for Christ. So let's keep feast, not with old leaven, not with evil and the load sourdough, but with sincerity and truth unleavened bread! " We also need to include a few words from Matt 18.15 to 18: "But if your brother sins against you, go and tell him right, he and you alone. Hear him on you, you have won your brother. But he is not, so take with you one or two more, that in any word may be established by two or three witnesses. But he will not listen to them, tell it to the church. hear he nor the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector! Verily I say unto you: Everything you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. "


A double aim

Assembly Discipline has a double purpose. First and foremost, it's time to save the individual who is caught in sin yarn, "that his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus." But it also applies to preserve the assembly clean, "Purge out therefore the old leaven." On the way to discipline become revival warning to the others in the meeting.

It is important that both sides are included. If the main driving force and the purpose is to preserve the meeting, missing the most important one - the care of the individual soul. Instead, they align themselves to save what is left of the assembly. But what does being in a "clean" assembly in the absence of any real spiritual guidance there? Tax collectors and sinners will hardly find their spiritual home in such meetings. But Jesus is the welcome!


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Therefore, the care of the individual soul come first. The aim should be that "his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus Christ." As we see from Jesus' teaching in Matthew 18 - that underlie what Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 5 - the decision on expulsion must not be taken with ease by a few people. There is a case concerning the meeting.


But before it gets that far, it should have fallen repeatedly to repent and be forgiven of their sin. First, the person who has learned to sin, contact and try to win them. Note the wording: "If he listens to you, you have gained your brother" (v 15). This applies all the time trying to win his brother! Not to trap or exclude. No, he must be won back to the Savior in confession and forgiveness. Assembly's task is to gather the people to Jesus, and that means no toil saved. Hear he is not on one person, one should bring one or two more. But not enough of it. Does he hear not them, this should be a matter that will be a need for the meeting. Is it so bad that he will not hear the assembly also, there remains no other choice than to exclude him from the meeting. But it should take place now - after repeated attempts to win him back to the Savior. The case must not halt in some kind of imaginary kindness, so that one fails to take action against the unrepentant.


That the old leaven soon to permeate the entire assembly. As an example we can think of a couple cohabiting children. If the in spite of repeated calls, in accordance with Matthew 18, however, continues to defend and live their lives in sin, and are not excluded from the meeting, will their example to send a number of harmful signals both within and outside the Assembly.

Outside the meeting sees the world's children that Christians are no longer taking it so carefully to God's word. The salt has lost its taste. Within the meeting, those terms, easily settle down and believe that they still belong to the kingdom of God, even if they are living in blatant sin. Others who might be tempted to the same sin, perceive it so it does not matter. Can they, so we can ...

Another in the audience may have a different propensity to sin. But if cohabiting are not subject to assembly instruction, can not shut him meeting nor there. Thus, the one who defends his sin with reference to the example of others. Leaven spreads! And an increasing number of ports on the broad road that leads to hell. Therefore forsamlingstukten so important - and so blessed. Just applied it can save a lot of destruction.

But it is not too hard to exclude a person from the audience?

It may seem so. But it is much harder - and can not be compared - to let a living in blatant sin and defends it to continue in the assembly and then one day be banned from heaven. It gets much, much worse. It is much better to be excluded from the meeting on the ground and really be faced with the choice of sin or God's friendship, and hopefully choose the latter - and be blessed.


Assembly Discipline seems vitalizing


Where not this mutual care of souls exist, where both brotherly admonition and assembly instruction is terminated, where all sorts of sins occur without being prosecuted. Therefore, it seems forsamlingstukten with the mutual exhortation provoking the meeting. Think to yourself that you have learned that a brother in the congregation live in a sin that he neither regrets nor will forego. Where is now your responsibility to speak with him "under four eyes". If you are in any way responsible and realize the seriousness of this exercise, you are going primarily to rummage yourself in prayer understand word if you are capable of this. They may be one undivided sin which you have long tried to suppress, is as blistering that you know you have to get speech with the Savior about it before you can go and admonish your brother. The beam has to go! And then ask the Savior for mercy and forgiveness, and to let go of it - and certainly he hears you!


Now it need by no means be the case that you have an unresolved sin on your conscience. But it is in any case a special occasion for self-examination acknowledge the mercy seat, and it is very useful for every one. You've been in counseling with the Lord, and can confidently with His help get admonish your brother. Think so big! You have even been drawn closer to the Savior and have been able to see even more clearly how important it is that sin not unto leaven will ferment up. And you've probably also got a dose of humility when faced with the task that the Lord has got to show you something of your own sin and weakness. Then you are unlikely to meet the wrong end of Pharisaic cold, but instead either heat or burn him with Christ's love fire. It depends on how it is received.

If it so happens that your brother does not listen to you, for Jesus' teaching to bring you a couple more. Then these two go through the same soul-searching before they can follow you - and so is the Lord's work on the heart and assembly. It is to "keep the feast ... with purity and truth unleavened bread." "Exhort one another daily, while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" (Hebrews 3:13). "For our passover is sacrificed for Christ" (1 Cor 5.7).


Resumption


Since everything's overall aim is to salvage the one caught in sin nets must never ban regarded as the ultimate objective. It is just a means to endeavor to get brother / sister to be resumed in full communion with the Lord and with the meeting. It is very important that the person subject to the assembly instruction, will keep this in mind.

The intention is certainly not to "get rid of" the person, but to save him from eternal damnation. In closing, we take a word from 2 Corinthians 2:6-8, TLB, which teaches us how to repent and mourn over their sin, shall be met: "For him it comes, it is enough with the punishment he received from the Most. Now you instead rather forgive and comfort him, lest he should perish in even greater sorrow. Therefore, I urge you: Be agreed to show him love. "


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