No. 962:
You've Devil Father Jesus said about those who stood
against him and did not recognize the word of God's authority!
We must understand that there are two opposites in the
spiritual world. But to concretize and give a deeper understanding of this
there are two starting points for it all. It is the fall of Satan in the
spiritual world, and the Son of God restitution through his death and
resurrection!
Photo of Gunhild Stordalen and Erna Solberg, who
unfortunately live in a huge self-deception and other bits on. She will
"save" the world, but the most important thing is to live leveled
with God and God's word with their own lives. She lives together with a
divorced man with children from before (she split a marriage and children of
the Father).
Think, that its "rescues" the world is
actually a great deception and begin at the wrong end. Shall we start
"right", and do this she puts that goal. And take away God and what
his say in their own words. When one is both seduced itself and deceives
others!
Taking this from Torleiv Haus who writes very well
about this:
The Bible contains many demanding and very challenging
texts.
This confrontation between Jesus and those believers
Jews are the sharpest and most confrontational as I know in the Bible. It ends
with Jesus saying that these Jews father the devil while the Jews for their
part accuse Jesus of being a Samaritan and have a demon in him.
This text is that all texts in the New Testament
written after Jesus' death and resurrection. It means that all texts must be
interpreted in light of the cross and resurrection. They are not primarily
written as history, but they are written that we may believe that Jesus is the
Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may life through his name
(Jn 20,31). This means that Jesus was crucified and resurrected is and must be
the basis for all interpretation of Scripture. By the way, I believe that the
cross is also the key to understanding of the history and the contemporary we
live in. The cross is the basis for all interpretation and all true biblical
theology.
By cutting out the statement that "you have your
father the devil" cuts in my opinion the Norwegian church out the text of
the deepest way lets us understand what intellectual sin or original sin was
and is. Usually translated "peccatum original" with "original
sin" in Norwegian, but this is a term that is as contradictory as a
"square circle". The understanding of the origin of sin becomes
available only in the light of the cross. It's not that we independently of the
cross can define one or another problem that Jesus came to solve. But it is
also so that the solution shows what the problem was.
The question then becomes, of course: What is this
original sin for something? On the answer Jesus in John 8:44, "You have
your father the devil, and you want to do your father's desires. He was a
murderer from the beginning and are outside the truth, for there is no truth in
him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the
father. "
The term "father" in this context has of
course nothing to do with the male parent we call father. "Father"
must be understood as culture organizing principle independent of the specific
designs that culture may have. Same organizing principle can be expressed in
many different ways. The Jewish culture is a form of expression and the
Norwegian is another of the same organizing principle.
When Jesus says that the devil stands for a lie, this
is a precise understanding of mythology. The myths are in fact stories that are
intended to conceal and cover up. And the myths hides, but as gospel reveals,
is that all culture has its origins murder. When Jesus says that the devil was
a murderer from the beginning, it is obvious that he refers back to the first
murder that we can read about in 1 Mos 4. Cain kills his brother Abel, then
rebuilds civilization.
Thus indicating Bible it funder end or basic principle
behind all human culture, namely violence. Modern mythology that people at a
certain stage entered into a "social contract" are little more than
modern dreams.
Then the Greek philosopher Heraclitus far closer to
the truth when he says that "war is the father of all things, and the king
of all things; it has made some gods and other mortals, it has made some slaves
and others free ... Everything arises from strife ... Strife is fair; and all
things come to pass and perish through struggle. " For Heraclitus had
violence their own logos, an overriding principle that was generated by the
disorder or chaos. The orderly logos facing the chaotic and destructive
violence to a stable and hierarchically differentiated social system.
This violence logos is what Jesus came to reveal,
among other things, in this conversation with the Jews who had believed in him.
Cain could not control his jealousy or ressentiment, and it ended with the
killing of the innocent brother. And it is this urge to kill and remove it or
the innocent as it is diabolical and the actual originator of sin. For behind
the urge to kill is the urge to accuse or make other responsible for their own
situation. Anyone who blames or placing responsibility on the innocent,
therefore follows the same logic or logos that mankind has followed ever since
Cain and Abel.
And when Christians accuse the Jews for Jesus' death,
they use the same organizing principle that Cain used, namely violence and of
murder logos. Therefore, the Christian anti-Semitism among the most paradoxical
and contradictory as history knows. Believing Christians who accuse the Jews
for the death of Jesus is in reality in exactly the same shoes as the accusers.
Every time we fall for the temptation to accuse someone of something, we follow
the same violence logos that we have followed since time immemorial.
Jesus confrontation with Jews who had believed in him
is provocative and very challenging. For Jesus points out and reveals what we
most want to displace, namely our own medløperi in the violence culture that we
all are a part. Our complicity in violence logos we will rather not be
disclosed. The silent and sometimes heartbreaking cry of the many innocent
people who are persecuted, oppressed, raped, killed is something we would
rather forget.
Man's way to true self-knowledge is long, and it does
not happen without divine revelation. But it is only when we reach a true
understanding of who we are that we can get a true understanding of who God is.
The culturally conditioned understanding of what it means to be a human being
undermined or subvertert when it is revealed to us who God is. Jesus says that
the Jews who have come to believe in him that "you do not know him (God),
but I know him (Jn 8.55).
(End of quote).
We enter text, so there is a lot here to retrieve.
When Jesus says they have the Devil Father, so he starts it too.
We go to the basic text, it's going even better off.
John 8:44: "You have your father the devil, and
you want to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and
are outside the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks
his native language, for he is a liar and the father. "
1.) The first thing that Jesus begins by pointing to
the Devil Father, is that you will make it your Father wants.
The word desire comes from the Greek word
"epithymias."
There are a number of places in the New Testament. Ia Here Markus 4:19, Luke 22 15, Rom.
1. 24 and several other places. How to understand this word? As I see it,
this is where our motives, aspirations and when we have the opportunity, as it
shows the type of person we are.
In other words, when people get the opportunity, so
they show their true selves. Here we could have dwelled at length with this.
However, to give an example. A person visibly upward and "Godly". So
traveling person on vacation, away from anyone who sees him / her. When it
emerges what is in them. It is the longing, and what is in our hidden inner
Jesus referring it to that show us who we really are. And we have God the
Father? So we will not succumb to the pressure that is there!
2.) The next thing Jesus mentions are: "He was a
murderer."
What does it mean to be a murderer? If you kill a man,
then you are no doubt a murderer, whom Cain killed his brother Abel.
But the word of God goes further. The same word with
being a killer is also used here in 1 Joh.b. 3. 15 Whoever hates his brother is
a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
The hate, especially other believers makes an after
Jesus' own words into a devil child. It is serious! It is inter alia therefore
the word of God says we should not report to another magistrate, but leave
judgment to God, and he alone!
To go to the authorities to bring your right, is
really to hate. When we make the Ondes will, and it shows that we obey him! We
break the Bible and when we love the Lord more.
Joh.e. 14. 21 He who knows my commandments and keeps
them, he it is who loves me. And whoever loves me will my Father love. Yes, I
too will love him and manifest myself to him. "
1 Cor. 6. When one of you has a case against another,
how can he dare to put it before the unjust, and not for the Saints? 2 Do you not
know that the saints shall judge the world? But when you will judge the world,
why regrettably you not to judge small things? 3 Know ye not that we shall
judge angels? Can you not judge in earthly affairs? 4 And when you have such
cases, why are you to judge people who do not have confidence in the
congregation? 5 This is a shame for you! Is there not one wise among you who
can settle the issues between brothers? 6 No, brother goeth to law with
brother, and that of judges who are not believers. 7 That you have lawsuits
against each other, is in itself a defeat for you. Why suffer ye not rather
injustice? Why not rather suffer losses? 8 But you do wrong, and let others
suffer losses - even siblings. 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not
inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Neither the sexually immoral,
those who worship idols or adulterers, nor men who lie with men, or somebody
sleep with, 10 neither thieves, greedy, drunkards, revilers, nor robbers will
inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you before. But now you are
washed, you are made holy, you have been made righteous in the Lord Jesus
Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
But it is clear that true believers are not running
issues facing each other in criminal justice, making a it is one of the Devil
scripture says (the one that starts the process).
3.) The next Jesus says, who really goes more on the
origin. But I take it as it fits in, "from the beginning."
Before we humans were created, so there were two
opposites in the spiritual world. It was God and Satan. Therefore, it is still
two opposites in the spiritual world. And therefore we humans a rise. Something
we assumes. After the fall so we came across people on the "wrong"
side! We were all children who had a negative rise, not a positive. This takes
apostle Paul in Rom. 5 where he speaks about the old and the new man. The first
and the last Adam etc.
Will not go into this here and now, but so scripture
says that we are people not more choices, but only two. This is something that
goes over and over again throughout the word of God.
4.) Moreover, Jesus speaks about the following
stressing that the Devil has to Father: "standing outside the truth."
Standing outside the truth, what is meant by that? To
make it as simple and clear as it could have remained. Do not adapt his life or
teachings by word of God. God has given us his word for it should be our
guideline for life and doctrine. That's where we get from our spiritual food
and nourishment. Yes, absolutely everything that we as believers are and mean.
It has its origin in God's own words. Not wanting to adapt and live by God's
word, "standing outside the truth!"
5.) Jesus says: "For there is no truth in
him."
Here emphasizes Jesus really the same. God's word,
follow it carefully, it fits just not the Devil. He can probably go with
something of God's word, but not follow God's words to the letter, it hates
him. There we see today. People who are divorced would like to believe in God.
But Jesus and Paul's teaching that remarriage, it is not permitted for
believers. They will not follow so you can continue. God calls us to follow him
fully. And preach the whole counsel of God to salvation!
6.) We bring one thing to end as Jesus points out that
allows the Devil has to Father: "When he lies, he speaks his native
language, for he is a liar and the father."
Lie, what is it? It is above all to speak false. But
there is something more than that.
I think of Pontius Pilate who showed it was wrong and
sin handing Jesus to be crucified. But to save his own skin and not lose
position and ability to continue to successfully manage. He miscalculated
everything. But it also lies Spirit acting that way. Satan deceives people from
beginning to end!
Joh. e. 19 15 But they cried out, "Away with him,
away with him! Crucify him! "" Shall I crucify your king?
"Pilate asked. "We have no king but Caesar," said the chief
priests. 16 When he surrendered Jesus to them that he might be crucified.
Final Comment:
The Greek word "hoi ioudaioi" can mean two
things: either "the Jews" or "Jews". In John's Gospel, it
may be good reason to believe that both meanings are in use, depending on which
context is about the rivalry between Galilee and Judea, Jews or entire folk
collective Jews (see in particular 7: 1FF as example). And in chapter 8 is
almost certain that the word most places critical sting against the Judean
elite leadership in Judea, and therefore must be translated as
"Judeans".
In other words, Jesus' preaching and argue that it was
the leadership in Jerusalem who had the Devil Father. It cost him his life
really! Jesus cautionary preaching to use such strong words, was not the
"ordinary" man and woman. But the so-called leadership in Jerusalem
who believed they had "monopoly" on everything connected with God and
his words to do!
Are you willing to sacrifice everything to preach what
is right? And stand for
the truth and not lie!
