torsdag 23. februar 2012

Nr. 251: Torp do not and will not understand!

Nr. 251:

Torp do not and will not understand!

He writes on his blog here: "I have nothing against Christensen and Ottosen.

It's not about respect, but that none were re-married as believers to be Pastors, pastor or teacher in the church of God, that's the crux!

This image of Jan Aage Torp

Jan Åge Torp on his blog:
Jan-Kåre Christensen has hardly advisers around him, and it is sad, because he needs it, as we all do. Jan-Kåre Christensen has a nice family who even came and heard me preach in Pentecostal church Saron Grorud in 2006. And Jan-Kåre wrote to me afterwards and asked to preach in Oslo Church, which I had to politely refuse ... Since then he changed his behavior towards me, before my divorce. And his attack is extended to honorable men Norvald Yri, David Ostby and many more. "

There are a lot of untruths!

Firstly, I would not get one errand to hear him preach at Grorud, but we belonged to the congregation at Grorud and attended all meetings where no matter who preached.

When it comes to the invitation to preach as we had recently moved from the west coast to Oslo and I wrote to some churches, if possible, to have some meetings and got little response, and it's okay.

And that the density that I do not have counselors, etc. I have a lot more, and I have a wife who I listen to and has not left me and I have left, thank God for it.

I have not changed behavior but Torp lived with his first wife and then could not say anything on his moral standard, but it was when he remarried, and with a woman around. 20 years younger as he both went against the word of God to remarry but to name it for him and many others are talking to deaf ears but I do it anyway because I know that there is truth and what God's word teaches. And to marry one who is about. 20 years younger who preach seems also very special to me, but it's not me who mentioned it but Espen Ottesen.


Torp want respect, it is perfectly legitimate, but that he can get only with me that day as re-married his resignation as pastor preaches and which seems pretty hopeless to hope for. But this is where the problem is!

It is gjengiftede Pastors and leaders who are the core of the problem

This I have now written so much about before, that I'm referring to what else I've written so as not to repeat myself all the time, but I take an excerpt from an article I wrote on this subject, this is where the crux is Thanks for your attention.

Marriage - in the light of God's word!

Today, cohabitation is widely accepted among the people - from the top of the social ladder and entered in the "Christian" series, but the Bible cohabitation as adultery and says that those who live so will not inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 7:2 and 1 Thessalonians 4:2-5).
God wanted man well and instituted the lifelong marriage as the framework of the love between man and woman. (Mark 10:7 and Ephesians 5:31)
The importance of this is also reflected by the fact that the Lord took this in the 6th commandment says "Thou shalt not commit adultery," or as it might be translated: "Thou shalt not commit adultery."

There are some basic principles that runs through everything that the Bible speaks of the marriage. There are things that are immutable, they belong to the creation order. God emphasizes this when he says in 1 Puree. 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother and be with his wife, and they shall become one flesh."

Jesus also refers to this when he speaks of marriage in Mat. 19:3 ff. The spouses shall be one flesh and jointly share both joys and sorrows that this implies.
The Bible puts marriage into a social and legal context. The word from 1M 2:24 says that "man shall leave his father and mother."

This means he goes from a legal and social context and into another, where it is clear that these two by marriage has formed a new unit that will last a lifetime.

Based on the word of God will not help out a legally binding confirmation that the marriage is entered into.

The Bible has no formula for how a marriage should be entered into. The social arrangements of marriage is valid, if they do not violate God's word. It is important to emphasize is that marriage is a legal change of lifelong marital status made in full disclosure and confirmed by the couple, their parents and authorities. For a Christian, it is natural that the marriage is also entered under the word of God and prayer.

A cohabitation lacks any biblical justification. It is based on subjective feelings and private decisions. Cohabitation is a lack of willingness to make a decision of the lifelong nature and a desire to live together sexually without taking on the obligation of the Bible relates to such unions.

The Bible says that divorce is against God's will. Jesus says in Matthew 19:4-6, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said cause shall a man leave father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall be one flesh? So they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. "See also Mark 10:6-9, Luke 4:18 p.m.; 1 Corinthians 7:10-11.

The New Testament has three specific exceptions where divorce is not sin. The one exception is found in Matthew 5:32 "But I tell you, whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than adultery is the reason why she commits adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "

The other exception is discussed in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16. Here is what an unbelieving spouse demands a divorce if the other does not want to enter the Christian faith.

And when the other dies. Rooms. 7. 3 So long as man lives, the one who committed adultery if she marries another. But if her husband dies, she is free from the law and does not break the marriage if she marries another. Other exceptions are not mentioned in the NT.

The Bible also speaks clearly in this case. In Luke 4:18 p.m. says, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery. And whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. "

Jesus' words in Mark 10:11-12 is not to be misunderstood, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, is guilty of adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she runs adultery. "

Paul writes as clear in the 1st Corinthians 7:10-11: "And unto the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife must not separate from her husband. But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. "

We note that Paul refers to a messenger from the Lord. It provided only two possibilities for the estranged wife: to remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. The exception is if there is adultery even inside the image.
But the innocent party may remarry after a divorce based on Matthew 19:9 where Jesus says, "But I tell you, whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than fornication, and marries another woman commits adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "

We have to follow a train of thought which we find in the GT. If one is allowed to stand, one can enter into a new marriage. Therefore, there is the possibility of remarriage under three conditions, where one is "legal" signs.

These are three of the following:

1. Spouse dies.
2. The infidel demands divorce.
3. One spouse has committed adultery and do not want reconciliation.

Service and remarriage

But anyway is a sign that has been faithful and has a service, there will be stricter criteria. It says there are several places in Paul's teaching that one should be a one woman man (see Pastoral letters). What?

James says in his letter chapter 3:1: "My brothers! Not many of you become teachers! For we know that we will have the stricter judgment. "

The responsibility is very great to be a preacher. It's a big difference to be a regular church member and to be preaching. But it is not to act that one is more loved by God, but it has to be true over the responsibility God has given. I believe that God will forgive any sin. But there are other things that need to be considered, a preacher holds any special responsibility. Would someone in a secular context, allowed a pedophile to work with children? No. Equally clear is the Scripture that we should not allow a re-married preacher to preach to other people with a Pastoral and teaches responsibility. That one is Evangelist such as Many Frank was after he got divorced, we are allowed. But do not be appointed as Pastor, Pastoral or elder. One should not be the leader of the flock and the herd, but be even under a system of inspection.

But when one holds an office as a preacher, so much is required. That's why James says that not many to be preachers. Why can not a preacher taking liberties only at his own expense, he has a special responsibility upon God and their fellow men.

When it comes to marriage, it is not permissible for a minister to marry again under any circumstances, when he was ineligible for the office he has received. It's like an athlete cut off his legs, he is no longer fit to be a sportsman, if he wants. A preacher should be a woman's man, we see Paul teaches about time and time again. (1 Tim. 3.2 and Titus 1:6).

Should anything be unclear here, so I recommend submitting a question to our blog or write something yourself there. This should and should have been a common Christian understanding there was gjengiftede and could go far and round. There are spirits, demonic thereof that follows in the footsteps of loose sexual and moral life.

1. Tim. 4. 1. The Spirit speaketh expressly says that in latter times some shall depart from the faith. They should stick to seducing spirits, and doctrines stemming from evil powers. 2 They are deceived by lying hypocrites that are seared in his conscience. 3 These people refuse to marry and requires that one should stay away from certain types of food, even God has created this so that those who believe and know the truth, shall receive it with thanks. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is reprehensible when it is received with thanksgiving. 5 It is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

There is no question of A and B Christians. Marriage is a God-given scheme, which also shows the relationship between Christ and the church. Therefore it is in the nature here, that there are such large demands. God stands behind his word, so this is an example of something even bigger and richer. Our relationship with Jesus and his relationship with us. So be careful with both the one you marry and you are not soiled your life here. If you live in accordance with God's word here, is the best predicted not that you grow as a believer.

1. Tess. 4. 1. Moreover, brethren, pray, and we admonish you in the Lord Jesus, You have received and learned from us how you should live and be pleasing to God, and so do you live already. But you must make even greater progress in this! 2 You know what commandments we gave you from the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is God's will - your sanctification: You should keep away from fornication, 4 every one should know to win his own wife in holiness and honor, 5 not in the sensual passion as the heathen they know not God. 6 And no need to do his brother wrong or deceive him in these things. Lord punishes all such, we have previously said and put you in anger. 7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but to a holy life. 8 Therefore, whoever rejects this rejects not man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

We read that writing provides a clear testimony of the priest in the Old Covenant how he should live, who stood in the same responsibility before God and their fellow man as the preacher and supervising the man standing in the new covenant. 3. Genesis 9:14 p.m.: "A widow or a divorced or a dishonored woman or a prostitute - something he must not marry. Only a virgin of his people shall he take to wife. "

We read that God gives the same testimony and require the same of the priest during the upcoming 1000 årsriket to serve the people of Jerusalem in Israel, where the law shall go forth from it. Ezekiel 44:22: "A widow or a woman that her husband has divorced from, they will not take a wife, but only virgins of Israel. But they can take a widow who is the widow of a priest. "

When Scripture is so clear when it comes to the priest of the old covenant and the 1000-årsriket, it is no less clear when it comes to the church-time household, we who live in the loveliest and greatest privilege of all, "one woman man."

As the Scripture says that it is demonic and forførisk refusing a minister and overseer to marry (1 Tim. 4:1), it is to come under the same negative conditions to accept and allowed the preachers to marry again while the spouse lives. It is only by death that it may be appropriate for an overseer to marry again, and then with one who is not divorced!
Among other Derek Prince was a great Bible teacher married a divorcee, those were not God's will. Hopefully he was saved, though he did accept God's will.

But the person who is re-married might have some loose face as Evangelist, but never stand in a Pastoral and Pastoral role.

As far as I know about it, practicing the great Pentecostal direction in America Assembly of God this? If this is true, they are a model for all others. Encourages others to also get more information there and other places are taken up. I do not consider that I have the ultimate and complete truth, but God has shown me in his word. It keeps my back and the gift I have got to teach. It allows I arrive not least Vå website which you can read several article on this subject and many other topics from God's word.
Assembly of God has also written statues for how to go about ministers who cheat, etc. It was such this that made the great and mighty evangelist Jimmy Swaggart was expelled, which turned out in retrospect was necessary and proper when he was not free his sexdemoner and desires. We must hold ourselves to Jesus and God's word in this time, it will be fine! If not then it ends in apostasy and disaster!

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