Trinity doctrine is a mathematical impossibility, ergo does TL God to a raring and Simpleton!
God has given us know and sense that we use it and when we do not use and understanding ? It is when we do not know anyone or there . But the trinity doctrine is not something mysterious, incomprehensible or misty . It is very easy to understand. It belongs to the first reason in God's word ( Hebre. 6 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on towards perfection , so not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God , 2 Of the doctrine of baptism and the laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment ) .
Photo of Monkey . Indeed , those who believe in the Trinity God to a Simpleton and raring to believe in a "joint" God or Triad God in a "large" common God. Scripture does not teach this, but simple and clear that it is only God the Father - no other - that is the only true God. Then get a driver with mysteries, obfuscation and other drivel about the only true God trinity teachers do .
From various debates and conversations with those who defend the Trinity .
Notice how little they are able and willing to answer difficult points . But to make judgments , doom and gloom , it is close to them when it gets too hard . not good, but it's probably a lesson here for anyone and everyone ? Here are excerpts of some disputes with the Trinity teachers.
This excerpt from the debate with Kjell Andersen from Kristiansand who runs the website Søkelys.com :
I : Who is the only TRUE GOD ? One, two or more ? Scripture clearly says that there is only one , who? John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, whom you sent, Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 1:17 But the King eternal , immortal , invisible, the only God , be honor and glory forever and ever ! Amen . Notice the wording , has never to this day heard a trinity doctrine that can explain this without making excuses , doom and gloom ! Catholic heresy is from the 300-600 number .
KA : Hi Jan Kåre . The doctrine of the one triune God is one of the most important Christian church sentraldogmer . The dogma of the Holy Trinity teaches that there is only a single supreme God , revealed as Father, Son and Spirit. Here ( http://www.trotvil.no/Treenighet.htm ) there is a thorough review of the biblical doctrine of the Trinity . Searchlight is completely and totally stuck on this central dogma . Also old brother Aage stood firm on just this , and he said from . Nardus and Antioch and cult groups that " The Way International " and Branhamismen clearly in breach of this dogma and these are groups warned against .
I : But who is the only King eternal, immortal, invisible God? Jesus can not be, when he shall deliver up the Kingdom ? 1 Cor. 15 28 But when all is subjected to him , then shall the Son himself subjugate himself to him who put all things under him, that God may be all in all .
For Paul and the early Christians as was the belief in the Trinity total stranger. It came with the Catholic Church, and was developed through the centuries and reached its climax in 1952 when Maria was busy in the deity as a 4th person. Therefore touches the heart of God more than Jesus and now Ulf Ekman to show the way to the Catholic church. When you come second trinity teachers and supporters for? 1 Cor. 8.4b . there is no God but one . 5 For though there be that are called gods , whether in heaven or on earth - as there be gods many, and lords many - so 6 is yet to us there is one God , the Father, of whom are all things , and we in him , and one Lord , Jesus Christ, through whom are all things , and we by him . Hear O Israel , the Church of God and the world and the universe. God is one , not two, three or more !
KA : Hi Jan Kåre . Have you read the thorough review I referred to ? Trinity Faith lived long before the Catholic Church came into being. On your second question or argument "now comes Ulf Ekman to show the way to the Catholic church. When you come second trinity teachers and supporters for? " Our answer is : Hopefully never . Purely theological distance is too great. Although there are dogmas both Catholics and Protestants agree , there are hundreds we can agree on. Ulf Ekman's case was an earthquake for many, but it is unlikely that he will be joined by evangelical Christians who have roots in the Reformation.
KA : When Christianity can accept as much as they already do , it's only a matter of time . Should one example . become Bishop of the Norwegian Church , so one must never speak biblical word about either divorce, remarriage and homosexuality . The new bishop Per Arne Dahl had to be liberal theologian to become Bishop . In fact, the Catholic Church more morally and ethically in line with God's word than the Protestant Christians are by and large it all. For a favoring it's been ! Of course one can always find traces of a heresy before it arrives, so too with the Trinity . But I've also talked to several Jews or Israel, they say openly that we are heretics because Trinity. And most Messianic congregations agree nor Trinity. I think probably it is not founded on the word of God at all , but only Catholic dogma from 3-600 number . Recommend that you take the time to read our website and read if you are interested to find out what God's word says about this subject. But if you're not interested , then it is not so much to do. I know who and what I believe. See here: http://janchristensen.net/
KA : Jan Kåre , I know what God's Word says . Having spent years of my life studying both the Bible , church history and dogma , religion, watches and early church , and it is too cheap to argue that the Catholic Church invented the doctrine of the Trinity . This is to make the apostles and early church great injustice . It is more accurate to say that the Catholic Church held trini ity dogma and since also a number of unbiblical doctrines . Luther led the way out of this darkness , although his politically correct followers of the former state church now blowing a long march in Luther. Developments in the Norwegian church going in the wrong direction . There is little doubt . The case Homosexuality , abortion , women priests etc etc witnesses of a church on the wrong path . Yet there is light at the Norwegian Church, but liberal bishops (which I ascribe as little credibility as a heretic Arius is about bringing strange fire in the church. A against reaction must come . NLM will consider starting its own denomination of the Lutheran because violence and yet appears Frikirken as a better option than the church. , we also have the Norwegian church in exile ( abortion priests ) which is a far more Bible-believing option. We also still a number of smaller independent Pentecostal churches that stand for the Word of God , an example Zion Arendal who do not accept remarriage and there are many more " who have not bowed the knee to Baal " and that will never follow in the footsteps Ekmans into the Catholic darkness.
I Kjell you write a lot of good , but also some I both disagree and see different! This write: it is too cheap to argue that the Catholic Church invented the doctrine of the Trinity . This is to make the apostles and early church great injustice . I do not mean it : Paul says that after his demise would come into ravening wolves etc. I mean : Trinity doctrine was completely unknown to the early Christians , Jews and Jesus himself . It was a doctrine that came in from other religions after the apostles died . You write : We also have the Norwegian Church in Exile ( abortion priests ) which is a far more Bible-believing option. I mean : Why can then work with Hanvold and Vision Norway ? When I see those powerful misled if they go in there! You write : We also still a number of smaller independent Pentecostal churches that stand for the Word of God , an example Zion Arendal who do not accept remarriage and there are many more " who have not bowed the knee to Baal ." I mean : Does that Torstein Grotbekken , preaching there. When he was in Oslo , he was awesome open to remarriage , which he also had to be when he was with Pastor with Ludvik Karlsen . Nice that he has reversed , but the turnaround seems very , very strange and applied ! But he is well as the chameleon . Changes color according to where he is going . You write : and who will never follow in the footsteps Ekmans into the Catholic darkness. I mean, I think unfortunately that Christianity is more and more into a large common harlot church . That sooner or later all shoulder to shoulder, it is only a matter of time . Think of the generation growing up today , they are concerned with anything but to be Bible-believing and following God's word. Here's techno concerts, social program , extracurricular activities , church growth seminars. Yes, absolutely anything other than the good old biblical way with the word and prayer in the center ! Would say the ending here that for me so I have the same faith that Paul and the early Christians . This was the first Christian creed : 1 Cor. 8.4b . there is no God but one . 5 For though there be that are called gods , whether in heaven or on earth - as there be gods many, and lords many - so 6 is yet to us there is one God , the Father, of whom are all things , and we in him , and one Lord , Jesus Christ, through whom are all things , and we by him . Notice the wording : for us there is one God , the Father. And further: one Lord , Jesus Christ. Trinity doctrine came only after the apostles when they ravening wolves came in with their false teachers and learn!
I read the link you gave me. I am so completely disagree , basic disagree heretic confession . But it takes too much column space and time on a Saturday night to write about this. But it is just reading the blog and our website. There you will probably find most of the answers! Jesus is Elohim , a god among other gods but the one true God , it is only and only God the Father , as Jesus himself called his Father and God !
KA : Jan Kåre . This is polytheism , Baal and Moluk also "part of gods family can apparently operate with ? There is one God manifested in the persons of Father, Son and Spirit , these three " persons " constitute the one true God. " This is the catholic faith : That we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in the unit , a person 's father , someone 's son and someone is the Holy Spirit.
I will not comment Grotbekken , but in principle we are not for the idea of remarriage , but I see no operation at an ecumenical church can lead to a super church . Also David Wilkerson was in the tank. When it comes to this writing " Think of the generation growing up today , they are concerned with anything but to be Bible-believing and following God's word. Here's techno concerts, social program , extracurricular activities , church growth seminars. Yes, absolutely anything other than the good old biblical way with the word and prayer center "- it's a development there is little reason to support .
I Kjell strongly disagrees with your view of the Trinity , can not cover this in God's word that you write ! Polytheism is the Bible that says that the word God , Gods used. Many, many times if you think that way. But now we are talking about who is the only true God , it is only the father is teaching writing. If the Holy Spirit had been a person that was "he" had a name and we were worshiped , prayed and lovsunget " him" . No, Trinity is both unbiblical and a heretic learn! Is there something I'm 100 % certain , it is that the Trinity is not a doctrine that neither Jesus nor the apostles ever have believed and taught others. It came after the apostles died as Paul said : Acts 20 29 I know that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter among you , not sparing the flock ; 30 indeed, among your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse to draw away disciples after them.
Kjell , who is the only true God? You may only get a reply , the font is very clear and simple. It is only and only God the Father , no one else. You shall have no other gods besides me reads the first commandment . By believing differently so clear and all others who believe in a Triad God. Do not make any more excuses and blurb reply , thanks! ( end of quote ) .
Unfortunately , it has not gotten any more answers here !
Moreover, from mail and correspondence between me and Bjorn Storm Johansen who runs the website : jesuserherre.com . Here, excerpts from our correspondence :
BTJ : You can not be saved without sticking to the apostles' teaching that was once for all delivered unto the saints. You described in 2 Peter 2, 2 Tim.4 :1 -5 , Matt.7 : 15, Jeremiah 23 and really throughout Jude . Great that Christian Norway now being warned against wolves like you. False teachings are easy to take in, but your behavior only proves that a bad tree bears bad fruit. Repent to Christ before it is too late.
I : You are reading a Catholic - Lutheran Bible translation , then you get a lot of things , here's a Bible translation that is much more in keeping with the original text , and that brings out the meaning much better and straighter , read here and compare :
http://gudsogkristikirke.com/no_pdf_utdrag/00_det_storste_mennesket/5138ba20-a084-11e3-a531-002590d31986_id_5138ba20-a084-11e3-a531-002590d31986.html
Can you answer this question seriously . We read in Joh.e. 17.3 of Jesus as the eternal life , and then it says that Jesus is the only true God, but the Father , you have an explanation? Jan K
BTJ : You are either anointed or prophet. You convey heresy and blasphemy by denying God himself . But I pray for you. Let me remind you of who Jesus is . He is God. Do not deny . You are on the way to destruction . Read for yourself ... 1 Timothy 3:16 And it all must confess , - big is godliness mystery of God manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory . 1 John 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the True . And we are the true, in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne , O God, is forever and ever , and righteousness spelling is your scepter . Romans 9:5 Them belong the patriarchs , and from them is traced the human Christ , who is God over all , blessed forever . Amen . Regards Bjørn Johansen Storm
Me : Correct translation of Rooms 9.4b.er Christ descended after the flesh . 05 He who is above all , our God , God's elect? For when God be blessed for this at times ! Amen You can not read the bible mistranslated and rely on it, then you're like Eve in the Garden of Eden. 1 Tim . 3 16 Without you disagree about, mys - tery of God's message of it: He was manifested in the flesh , justified in the Spirit , seen by messengers, preached among the nations , believed by the world and taken up to glory . Got the word to you from your Lord when you have too much energy in you and blots of ale else that wisdom, understanding and love. Proverbs 26:2 As the sparrow in speed, as the swallow in flight, so it is with an undeserved curse - the frames are not . Jan K ( end of quote ) .
Final Comment:
This was an excerpt . It is very difficult to discuss with the Trinity when they are deceived and led rear lights. But while acting arrogant and look down on others . But this does not lead me on a side track , but I always try to counter them with God's word. And that what I have become aware of and received light in. It conveys i on, the truth will always prevail - eventually !
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-687-trinity-doctrine-is-heretic-and.html http://janchristensen.net/ http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/ http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/08/nr-573-searchlight-write-about-me-in.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/08/nr-566-storm-bjorn-johansen-wrote-that.html
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