Nr. 550: Lucifer!

Nr. 550:

Lucifer!

In essence, the doctrine of the Trinity is a continuation of Lucifer began work at dawn, when he would be God, Father and take his place in engleverden. The result was disastrous! Lucifer was cast out and with approx. 1/3 of the angels were gone in the fall. There is no forever will be like God the Father and take his place, praise be to God and to the Lamb I cry! Trinity doctrine simply place Jesus in the place that Lucifer wanted and that no one should be without God faders - the only true God, or to put it another way. No one is God like him when he's the only one who is from everlasting to everlasting. Trinity doctrine is and remains Satan's teachings (1 Tim.4.1.). Image of Satan or Lucifer who wanted to join the Trinity asserts Jesus is, but that is and remains lie, blasphemy and undermining the Son of obedience to the Father completely! http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/07/nr-542-salvation-is-god-father.html

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Jesus is King, not the one true God.

Christ represents in Judaism and the Old Testament king, though it can also be paid if the anointed priest (high priest) or those who are anointed by the Spirit (the prophets). In Greek, translated messiah with Khristos, and from there stems the name Christ, the common term for Jesus in the New Testament.

Satan's desire to be like God, his court and his case!

Satan was created as a holy angel. Isaiah 2:12 p.m. call Satan Lucifer. Ezekiel 28:12-14 describes Satan as a cherub, ie the apparent maximum scheduled angel. He became arrogant in his beauty and status and decided that he wanted to rule over God (Isaiah 14:13-14, Ezekiel 28:15, 1 Timothy 3:6). Satan's desire to please God the Father space and become like God, led to his downfall.

Satan is the antithesis of Jesus Christ - the anointed!

Satan, known as Lucifer before he sinned, wants to be God, Father and take his place in the angelic realm. It's in the Bible, Isaiah 14:12-14, TLB. How you are fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the morning! That you are thrown to the ground, which conquered peoples! It was you who said to yourself, to heaven I will rise up, high above the stars of God I will travel to my throne. I will take things mountains in the north. I will ascend above the highest heavens and be like the Most High. "(Note that this is the Trinity right out!).

The opposite is Jesus!

How Jesus have in relation to the pride and self-exaltation of Satan displayed? It's in the Bible, Philippians 2:6-8, TLB. "He was God, but as it is not as stolen to be equal with God .. He gave up on himself, taking the disguise of a slave and becoming like men. In his journey was his as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. "

Here is an article I wrote some years ago:

LORD is one!

James 2:19 You believe that God is one? It makes you right in. Even the demons believe that - and shudder! Good news: that there is only one God. 5 Genesis 6 4 Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one. The demons tremble not by faith in the Triune God because it was polytheism which was one of the gravest sins in Israel. But by making the rank of God unconstitutional. God says about himself in Isaiah 44 6 Thus saith the LORD, Israel's King and Redeemer, The Lord of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no God. Moreover, in 43 10 But ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know me and believe in me and realize that I am God. Before me no god was formed, and for me to not come.

The fact that most Christians pray and believe in the Triune God as the Bible's own testimony is not God's tragic and disastrous. God is one. There is no one beside him. We find no place in God's word that it is 3 lateral Deity person, much less to worship and honor them. Only God will be honored as the Father, creator and who were willing and able to create a ransom for us. When we read in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 when Satan and about 1 \ 3 of the angelic hosts would make God and his throne unconstitutional, they were rushed out and never get the opportunity to try to do it again. We also read about the same in Revelation several places, including the 12 Chap.

In Isaiah 14 14 I will ascend above the high clouds and be like the Most High. "Is it about Satan that he would do God's throne unconstitutional and become like God, therefore he was thrown out by their allies. When Satan and the evil spirits think and know about this, as they tremble. No one can do God's beliefs unconstitutional. Even the false doctrine of the Trinity with 3 lateral Gods. Father is and remains the only true God, and he from everlasting to everlasting, He is exalted above everything. From him come all and he is the upholder of all life and light.

Jesus as his first creation was not his throne unconstitutional. Therefore Jesus says about himself in Joh.14. 28 You heard that I said, I go away, and I come to you again. If you loved me, you were happy that I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am. Jesus never did God's throne unconstitutional, the Father is greater than I said. The same we meet in Phil.2. 6 He was God and so it did not consider equality to be equal with God: 7 but emptied his own, took on the slave and becoming like men. When he appeared as a human being, 8 He humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on the cross. 9 Therefore God also has exalted him to the highest and gave him the name above all names. 10 In the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, God the Father of glory!

Jesus was different, he did not God beliefs unconstitutional Therefore God also has highly exalted him.

We read in Daniel had been the 3rd the kingdom in Daniel 5 13 Then Daniel was brought in before the king, and the king said to him, "So you are Daniel, one of the exiles Judah, whom my father the king brought from Judah? 14 I have heard that Gods spirit is in you, and that you have shown you have the information, insight and extraordinary wisdom. 15 Now the wise men and enchanters led me to read this writing and interpret it for me. But they are not able to tell me what it means. 16 But I have heard that you can give interpretations and solve difficult questions. Can you now read the writing and tell me its interpretation, you shall be clothed with purple and have a gold chain around his neck and the third highest ruler in the kingdom. "

Why would not he be 2 man? Because the king ruled with the Son. It also says the story. It is exactly the same we meet in God's word. Jesus sat down at the Father's side. Hebr.1.1. Many times and in many ways, God spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets. 2 But now, in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son. Him hath God appointed heir of all things, and through whom he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. 4 How he was much better than the angels, the name he has inherited is s to much larger than theirs.

Jesus is not from everlasting of the Father, but he is the firstborn. The first one was created. Kol.1. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn before all creation. Furthermore, in v. 17 He is before all, and to him are all held together. It's just that he is the one who is before all. Micah 5.1. But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, the least among the clans of Judah! From you I let a man who will be ruler over Israel. He has its origins in ancient times, He is from ancient days. Here we meet again that Jesus is their origin and genesis of ancient days, not from eternity as God the Father.

But Jesus was obedient and devoted to his mission and ministry here on earth. Joh.5. 30 I can not do anything by myself. I judge by what I hear, and my judgment is just. Because I seek not my own will but the will of him that sent me. 4 34 But Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to complete his work. Father did the body of Jesus to perform redemption. Hebr.10. 5 Thus says Christ when he comes into the world: Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body made you able to me; 6 burnt offerings and sin offerings you have no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, here I come to do your will, O God. The scroll is written about me.

Jesus also speaks of the Father as his God and Father. Joh.20. 17 Jesus said to her, "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them that I am ascending to him who is my Father and the Father for you, my God and your God. "

But Jesus says about himself and the Father in the following Joh.10. 30 I and the Father are one. They are one in purpose, intent and meaning. But Jesus did not sit at the Father's throne, but the right side when he is subordinate to the Father. Hebr.1. 3 He is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

When Jesus has ruled for 1000 years and the verdict has been understands the white throne, he will surrender all power back to the Father.

1 Kor.15. 24 Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all powers, authorities and powers. 25 For he must reign until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For everything he put under his feet. That's all, it is clear that God is excluded. It is God who put all things under him. 28 And when all things are subject unto him shall the Son also himself be subject to God who put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Will conclude with a word of Paul that put everything in place. We must reject both Jesus alone movement, Trinity and many other unbiblical and false teacher. When it does not match the word of God.

1 Kor.8. 5 There are enough so-called gods in heaven or on earth, yes, there are many gods and many lords. 6 But to us there is one God, the Father. Everything is from Him, and to Him we are created. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. Everything is made by him, and through him we live. (End of quote).

Final comment:

Jesus is the opposite of Satan!

Jesus and Satan are both come from God the Father. But Jesus was "satisfied" and is "pleased" to be no. 2 by God the Father is the only true God. It is found repeatedly in Scripture, here are certain the clearest when, after 1,000 years of empire hands over the kingdom return to the one true God:

1 Cor. 15th 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward they that are Christ's, made alive at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God, even the Father, when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power . 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death; 27 for he has put all things under his feet. But when he says that everything is subjected to him, then it is evident that he is excepted who subject him everything; 28 but when everything is subjected to him, then shall the Son himself subdue him him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Here it is directly straight out that I teach and learn, "Then cometh the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God, even the Father, when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. But when he says that everything is subjected to him, then it is evident that he is excepted who subject him everything, but when everything is subjected to him, then shall the Son himself subdue him him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Trinity doctrine is a continuation of what Lucifer started, there is no doubt to believe in a God Triad with three equal Gods that Trinity is. Is demonic evil and unbiblical teachings and preaching!

Why was Jesus Christ - the anointed?

He was obedient, so simple can be said. Or to define it, he was thinking his task, position and position. Here's one today that all Christianity is totally out run. They take themselves to the right just as it suits them, just as the people of the world do it. We have written enough about other places and repeat it again. But it is congruent to see the revolt as it is against the only true God, is those who believe in a God Triad or Trinity in front of allowed remarriage, homosexuality and etc.

Trinity doctrine undermines Jesus total!

Jesus was a human being like you and me who had his own free will. Of course he was also something more, the seas were the foremost in engleverden prior incarnation. But still he had his free will. But he was, and remains obedient to the Father and His will. It is therefore so important that we reject the Trinity first as last, dear friends! These trinity teachers have claimed and claims time after time that I am doing heresy, for a lie. The truth is that it is unbiblical and totally meaningless Trinity brand believers.

Rooms. 16th 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and turn away from them: 18 For they do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by their sweet words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. 19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men therefore I rejoice over you, but I want you to be show for good and clean for evil. 20 And the God of peace will crush Satan in haste under your feet. Our Lord Jesus Christ be with you!

There are divisions. When those who believe in a Triad God warns others it is really something to watch out for. They dress in something they imagine others that they are, but they are and remain the heretics of the worst kind.

Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/11/nr-124-does-everyone-believe-in-trinity.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/11/nr-140-jesus-is-not-only-true-god-but.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/11/nr-137-trinity-doctrine-is-and-will.html

Nr. 549: The Christian creeds!

Nr. 549:

The Christian creeds!

There are many Protestants who actually do not realize that all creeds are Catholic, and thus builds on foreign doctrine. Be it the Nicene, the Apostles, and the Athanasian. The Augsburg is Lutheran is actually worse than the Catholic in many respects. All we can not trust 100% when they are not written by Spirit-filled men and women, but is in many ways a compromise, dictated and partly controlled by demons, especially the Athanasian is the worst. There are demonic spirits for a great deal behind these so-called perverse and totally unscriptural creeds that we have. Here a picture of Martin Schongauer from the 1480's showing the familiar design "Saint Anthony" trials "and depicts hermit battle against the demons of the desert.

The early Christians also had their "creeds," let us rather take the use, not the Catholic as the Protestant churches and congregations have inherited from the many ways skjøgekirken - the Catholic Church. Here are some of the first Christians their "creeds". First Jesus, then two passages from the Apostle Paul:

Joh. AD 18 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not of this world. 37 Pilate therefore said to him: So you are a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. I born, and for this cause came I into the world that I should bear witness to the truth. Every one that is of the truth hears my voice.

1 Cor. 15th 3 For I delivered unto you among the first things that I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, 5 and that He arose on the third day according to the Scriptures, 6 and he was seen by Cephas, then of the twelve.

1 Cor. 8 4b. and that there is no God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth - as there be gods many, and lords many - so 6 is yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Wrote an article a few years ago that I would take on this topic:

How was the Trinity designed?

Now you may ask: 'If the Trinity is not biblical, how did it then that it was one of Christianity's teachings?' Many people think that it was formulated at the Council of Nicaea (Nicaea) in 325 AD

It is however not quite correct. The Council of Nicaea claimed that Christ was of the same substance or essence of God, which formed the basis for the later Trinitarian theology. But this council introduced not the Trinity, for it was said of the Holy Spirit as the Third Person of the Triune Godhead.

Constantine's role in Nikaia

In the time when the idea that Jesus is God, was under development, it met strong opposition of biblical reasons. To try to settle the dispute called the Roman emperor Constantine all bishops to Nicaea. There was no more than 318 - a fraction of the total number of - turning up. Constantine was not a Christian. He probably went over to "Christianity" later in life, but he was not baptized until he lay on his deathbed. In a book on church history says Henry Chadwick, "Constantine worshiped, like his father, the Unconquered Sun,. . . his conversion should not be construed as an inner experience of grace. . . It was like a military question. He never got a clear understanding of Christian doctrine, but he was sure that the Christian God could give victory in war. "- The Early Church.

What role did this unbaptized emperor at the council of Nicaea? Encyclopædia Britannica relates: "Constantine himself was chairman, led the discussions actively and personally suggested. . . the crucial formula about Christ's relationship to God in the creed drawn up by the council, 'of one substance with the Father'. . . For fear of the Emperor signed the bishops, with only two exceptions, the Creed, and many of them did much against his wish. "

Constantine's role was therefore essential. After two months of fierce religious debate grasp this pagan politician in and hit a decision in favor of those who said that Jesus was God. But why? Certainly not because of any Biblical convictions. "Constantine did not really have any understanding of the questions that were asked in Greek theology," says a book on the Christian taught history. (A Short History of Christian Doctrine) What he understood was that divisions in the religious area was a threat to his kingdom, and he wanted to strengthen his kingdom.

It was not, however, some of the bishops of Nicaea which promoted the idea of ​​a trinity. They just took a position on Jesus' nature, not to the Holy Spirit's role. If the doctrine of the Trinity had been a clear Bible truth, should not they have argued that on this occasion?

The further development

After meeting in Nicaea continued debate on this topic for decades. Those who believed that Jesus was not equal with God, was actually taken into favor for a time. But later, Emperor Theodosius against them. He decided that the creed of the Council of Nicaea should be the norm in his kingdom, and convened a synod in Constantinople in 381 AD to the formula set. At this council, agreement was reached to equate the Holy Spirit with God and Christ. For the first time in Christendom Trinity to come into focus. But even after the Synod of Constantinople was the Trinity generally accepted. Many opposed it and thus vulnerable to violent persecution. It was only in later centuries that the Trinity was firmly articulated in the creeds. The Encyclopedia Americana says: "The final design of the Trinity took place in the west, in medieval scholasticism, when one tries to give an explanation using the philosophy and psychology concepts."

The Athanasian Creed

Trinity doctrine was more fully defined in the Athanasian Creed. Athanasius was one of the clerics who supported Constantine at Nicaea. Creed that bears his name, declare: "We worship one God in Trinity. . . So the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit of God, and yet they are not three Gods, but one God. "

Well-informed religious historians agree, however, that it was Athanasius who worded this creed. The Encyclopedia says: "The creed was unknown to the Eastern Church until the 12th century. Since the 17th century, historians have generally been agreed that the Athanasian Creed was not written by Athanasius (d. 373), but probably was drawn up in southern France in the fifth century. . . . Creed seems to have had the greatest influence in southern France and in Spain in the sixth and seventh centuries. It was used in the liturgy of the church in Germany in the ninth century and somewhat later in Rome. "- The New Encyclopædia Britannica.

It was therefore several hundred years from the time of Christ and the Trinity won widespread recognition in Christendom. What was guiding the decisions that eventually was passed? Was the Word of God, or was it clerical and political considerations? Professor EW Hopkins answers: "The final orthodox definition of the Trinity was largely a matter of church politics." - Origin and Evolution of Religion.

Apostasy foretold

Treenighetslærens history harmonizes with what Jesus and his apostles foretold would happen in their time. They said it was to be an apostasy, a deviation from the true worship, and that the situation would persist until Christ's return, when true worship would be restored before God day came and this system of things were destroyed.

Having discussed this 'day' said the Apostle Paul: "First, the rebellion occurs and the lawless appear." (2 Thessalonians 2: 3, 7) Later, he predicted: "When I pulled away, the ravenous wolves will in among you, not sparing the flock. And among yourselves to some men appear and danger of heresy to draw disciples after themselves. "(Acts 20: 29, 30) Other disciples of Jesus also wrote about this apostasy and its 'lawless' clergy class. - See Example 2 Peter 2: 1; 1 John 4: 1-3; Jude 3, 4 Paul also wrote: "There will come a time when people can no longer endure sound doctrine, but as they see fit, they should take themselves teachers, for they will have itching ears. They will turn their ears away from the truth and stick to myths. "- 2 Timothy 4: 3, 4

Jesus explained what lay behind this falling away from true worship. He said he had sown good seed, but that the enemy, Satan, would then weeds in the field. At the same time that the wheat began to shoot up, came the tares. One might therefore expect a deviation from true Christianity would be applicable until the time of harvest, when Christ would set matters. (Matthew 13: 24-43) The Encyclopedia says: "Trinity doctrine in the fourth century was no accurate reflection of the early Christian teachings about the nature of God, it was on the contrary a deviation from this teaching." (The Encyclopedia Americana) How did so this discrepancy? - 1 Timothy 1: 6

Teacher origin

In the ancient world, dating back to Babylon, it was common to worship pagan gods in groups of three triads. Worship of triads was also prevalent in Egypt, Greece and Rome when Christ was on earth, and in the centuries before and after his time. After the death of the apostles began such pagan beliefs to penetrate Christianity.

Historian Will Durant said: "Christianity did not destroy paganism, it was assumed it. . . . From Egypt came the ideas of a divine trinity. "And in his book on Egyptian religion maintains Siegfried Morenz," Trinity was a main occupation of Egyptian theologians. . . Three gods come together and treated as a single being and being prosecuted in the singular. In this regard, the Egyptian theology spiritual content directly related to Christian theology. "- Egyptian Religion. Church men in Alexandria in Egypt in the late third and early fourth century, including Athanasius, bore clear signs of this influence as they formulated ideas that led to the Trinity. Their influence grew, so Morenz considers "Alexandrian theology as the link between the Egyptian religious heritage and Christianity." In the preface to Edward Gibbons works on the history of Christianity, we read: "If paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by paganism. The first Christians unadulterated doctrine of the deity. . . was the Roman church changed into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as something that was well worth believing. "- History of Christianity. A work of religious knowledge notes that many say that the Trinity "is a corruption borrowed from the heathen religions, and instilled into the Christian faith." (A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge) And a book about paganism and Christianity says that treenighetslærens' origin is entirely pagan. " - The Paganism in Our Christianity. That is why James Hastings wrote: "In Indian religion, we meet as the trinitarian group of Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu, and Egyptian religion the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis and Horus. . . Nor is it only in historical religions that we find that God is regarded as a trinity. We remember especially the Neo-Platonic view of the highest or last and fundamental reality, "which is" triadic represented. " (Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics) What is the Greek philosopher Plato with the Trinity to do?

Platonism

Plato lived, for it is believed, from 428 to 347 BC He maintained no trinity in the shape it has today, but his philosophy paved the way for this doctrine. Later arose the philosophical movements that had triadic views, and these were influenced by Plato's ideas about God and nature. A French encyclopedia says this about Plato's influence: "The Platonic trinity, which was merely a rearrangement of older trinities stemming from earlier peoples, appears to be the rational, philosophical attribute trinity that gave rise to the three hypostases or divine people that the Christian churches teach about. . . . This Greek philosopher's conception of the divine trinity. . . one can find in all the ancient [pagan] religions. "- Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel.

Another reference work shows the influence that Greek philosophy was: "The doctrine of the Logos and the Trinity received their shape from Greek Fathers, who. . . was strongly influenced, directly or indirectly, by the Platonic philosophy. . . There can be no denying that the errors and corruptions gained a foothold in the church of this range. "- The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge. A book about the church in the first three centuries, says: "Trinity doctrine was formed gradually and at a relatively late stage. . . . they arise from a source that does not have anything with the Jewish and the Christian Scriptures do,. . . it evolved and was instilled in Christianity Church Fathers made use of Plato's principles. "- The Church of the First Three Centuries. By the end of the third century was "Christianity" and the new Platonic philosophical beliefs become inseparable. As Adolf Harnack points out in his book on the history of dogma, the church doctrine "sound rooted in rock collapse [the pagan Greek thinking detection] soil. Thus, it was a mystery to the vast majority of Christians. " - Outlines of the History of Dogma.

The church claimed that its new doctrines were based on the Bible. But Harnack says: "In reality it legitimized the Hellenic speculation in their midst, the superstitious views and practices from pagan mysteriedyrkelse." Professor Andrews Norton said this about the Trinity: "We can follow this teaching history backwards in time and discovers that it has its source, not in the Christian revelation, but the Platonic philosophy. . . Trinity doctrine is not a doctrine derived from Christ and his Apostles, but a fiction derived from the later Platonists school. "- A Statement of Reasons.

The apostasy was foretold by Jesus and his apostles, sent words out in full bloom in the fourth century after Christ. The design of the Trinity was just one evidence of this. The apostate churches also began to accept other pagan beliefs, such as the doctrine of hellfire and the belief in an immortal soul, and they went well with idolatry. Christianity had spiritually entered the predicted dark age, dominated by a growing priestly class, "the lawless one". - 2 Thess 2: 3, 7,

Why did not preach God's prophets of a Trinity?

Why did none of God's prophets, over a period of several thousand years, taught his people about the Trinity? Should not at least have Jesus used his powers as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his disciples? Would God have inspired hundreds of pages of Scripture without giving teaching about the Trinity if it were the "central doctrine" of the Christian faith?

Can it be expected that Christians should believe that God, centuries after the time of Christ and after having inspired the impairment of the Bible, would support the formulation of a doctrine that had been unknown to his servants for thousands of years, a doctrine which is a 'unfathomable mystery' as is 'beyond human comprehension, "a doctrine that had a pagan background, and as' largely a matter of church politics.

Mark. 13: 32: "The day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (This would obviously not have been the case if Father, Son and Holy Spirit were equal and amounted to one deity. And if it were so that the Son, as some believe, did not know the day or hour because of his human nature, we can ask: Why did not the Holy Spirit the day or hour?)

Matt. 20: 20-23: "The mother of Zebedee's sons. . . answered [Jesus]: ​​'Say that these my two sons may sit by your side in your kingdom, the one on the right and the other on the left.' Jesus said. . . 'My cup you shall drink, but who will sit at my right or left is not mine to give. There, they must sit as my Father hath ordained. '"(Would not this have been a strange answer if Jesus was God, as it is claimed? Some supporters of the Trinity says that Jesus here just black out from his" human nature " . But is this really a logical explanation, when they also say that Jesus was both God and man, not just one or the other? Does not Matthew 20: 23 rather that the Son is not equal with the Father and that the Father has reserved a certain special rights ?)

Matt. 12: 31, 32: "All manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this world or the next. "(If the Holy Spirit were a person and were God, would this text have meant that it somehow was greater than the Son. This would have been contrary to the doctrine of the Trinity. What Jesus said, shows rather the Father as the "Spirit" belonged, is greater than Jesus, the Son of Man.)

Joh. 14: 28: "[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you were happy that I go to the Father, for he is greater than I am." 1 Cor. 11: 3: "I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, the man is the head, and the head of Christ is God." (It is therefore evident that Christ is not God, and that God is greater than Christ., We should note that this was written around the year 55 CE, about 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven. The truth here is argued, therefore applies to the relationship between God and Christ in heaven.)

1 Cor. 15: 27, 28: "'Everything he [God] under his [Jesus'] feet'. That says it all, it is clear that God is exempt from this. For he is the one who put all things under him. And when so everything is subject to him shall the Son also himself be subject to the God who put all things under him, that God may be all in all. "

Both the Hebrew word Sjaddai and the Greek word Pantocrator is translated as 'powerful'. Because language is both of those words repeatedly used of Jehovah, the Father. (2 Mos. 6: 3; Rev.. 19: 6) None of the terms are sometimes used if the Son or the Holy Spirit.

Does the Bible teach that each of them is said to be part of the Trinity, is God?

Jesus said in a prayer: "Father. . . this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. "(John 17: 1-3, highlighted by us) (Here the phrase" the only true God "the Father . He may not be "the only true God" if the other two are God as much as he can he? If another is referred to as a "god", he must either be a false god or just a reflection of the true God.) 1 Cor. 8: 5, 6: "There are enough so-called gods in heaven or on earth, it is the many 'gods' and many 'lords'. But for us there is but one God, the Father. By Him are all things, and we are made to him. And for us there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. Through him all things, and we live through him. "(Here referred to as the Father of the Christians 'one God', and it is shown that he is of a different rank than Jesus Christ.)

1 Pet. 1: 3, LB: "Praise be to Jesus Christ our Lord God and Father" (The Bible repeatedly as the Father of Jesus Christ, "God", even after Jesus ascended to heaven. In John 20: 17 Jesus spoke of himself as the Father "My God," and this was after his resurrection. Later, when he was in heaven, he used the same phrase again, as recorded in Revelation 3: 12 But there is nowhere in the Bible that the Father, Son reviews " my God, "and neither the Father nor the Son refers to the Holy Spirit as" my God. ") Father = God

Son = Jesus

The Holy Spirit = God's active force (end of quote).

The Athanasian is the ugliest that teaches that there is no salvation except to believe in the terrible and unbiblical teachings. And there is no salvation without the Catholic church was in the Athanasian creed which Protestants have changed.



Here is the Athanasian Creed which is dictated by evil spirits:

Anyone who will be saved, before all things, hold fast to the catholic faith. Whoever does not keep it whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And this is the catholic faith, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance. For one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit. Uncreated Father is uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit. Immeasurable is the Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit. Eternal Father is eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit. And yet there are not three eternals, but one eternal, As there are not three uncreated, nor three immeasurable, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible. In the same way the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty, and yet there are not three omnipotent, but one Almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit of God, and yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord, and yet they are not three Lords, but one Lord. For as the Christian truth compels us to acknowledge each person as God and Lord, forbidden by the catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone, not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and the Son, not made nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding from them. So there is one Father, not three Fathers, one Son, not three Sons, one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity none is before or after, nothing greater or less, but all three persons are coeternal and coequal, so that in all things, as has been said above, the Trinity in Unity and Unity in Trinity.

Those who wish to be saved must thus think of the Trinity. But to eternal bliss, it is also necessary that he honestly believe that our Lord Jesus Christ became man. It is the right faith, that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, is God and man: He is God the Father's being, born before all time and he is man of his mother being born in time, perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh; equal with the Father by His divinity, less than the Father to His humanity. But even he is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ; One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by the assumption of humanity into God, one altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ; who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and is seated at God, the almighty Father's right hand, will be there to judge the living and the dead.

And when he comes, all men shall rise again with their bodies and give account for their deeds. And they that have done good shall go into life eternal, but they that have done evil into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic faith. Whoever does not faithfully and firmly believe this can not be saved (end of quote).

It says clearly and plainly: "This is the Catholic faith. Whoever does not faithfully and firmly believe this can not be saved. " In other words, it's not save without past the church - the Catholic.

Final comment:

In many ways, we see again and again that all movements start as a revival movement. They are "frozen" out of the other believers. So there is a time, those who were enemies become friends, but then it's been a stiffened denominations or otherwise lost from the first was! Creeds in accordance with God's word is all well and good, but when one adds their own things and subtract from it, then comes a astray. Mostly there are unfortunately these katoslke creeds is a worm works and seduction inspired more by evil spirits than of God and the word of God!

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Nr. 548: Rune Edvardsen leads people behind light by saying that people were primitive, uvitne and single-minded before! Before they lived clean, nowadays people concerned with pleasure, it is great tune and sin in all shapes!

Nr. 548:

Rune Edvardsen leads people behind light by saying that people were primitive, uvitne and single-minded before! Before they lived clean, nowadays people concerned with pleasure, it is great tune and sin in all shapes!

It has recently become clear to me that unfortunately is very hard to warn against the deterioration that it is in Christianity. I could have written several books on this topic, could be thought to have written two books on the Pentecostal Charismatic movement. One of 1000 sites about their lack of morals, unbiblical teachings and more. And one of the 1,000 pages on false prophecies, double standards, etc. But I think unfortunately there is a big change, the only thing that can and will change people's God's own words, do you believe in what we're doing? You can support us dear friend, see here:

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Round Edvardsen, really a very sad story this when he has been trained and has seen his father Aril many years to be a master of manipulation, seduction, and we can safely say that he was a false prophet by what Scripture teaches.

Rune Edvardsen is interviewed in KS, here's a little excerpt:

"White Book" would never have been written today. It was quite simply a mistake. It says Rune Edvardsen in the book about his life that was launched at the weekend. This week he leads the competition number 50 in Farsund.

"White Book" was a book that was published by some Pentecostal leaders Pentecostal preacher conference center på1970 century. It was full of accusations against Aril Edvardsen.

Good relationship with Pentecostalism

- Later, after I started working in Farsund, Dad was invited to Oslo a day of reckoning. Then he wanted me to be with. There I met many of the involved parties from the conflict at the time. Now it was admittedly been a completely different atmosphere: Brodden was gone, and most regretted well at most they had done in the conflict. Luckily I'm not keen to take care of conflicts.

Primitive.

Rune believes that controversy was characterized by the fact that it happened in a different time. When society was more single-minded and primitive. There was little tolerance for the people who were a bit different, and it was greater ignorance in so many areas. We live in a much more enlightened and developed societies today, with considerably greater openness to different methods and ways of thinking. The conflict would therefore never have taken place today. Conflict with Pentecostalism is buried story for me. There is no one who acknowledges "white book" today. It was quite simply a mistake, concludes Rune Edvardsen. (End of quote).

Rune Edvardsen live in a bubble that unfortunately most other believers do. We're about to enter an era reminiscent of the time before the Roman Empire went jaunt into and home!

Edvardsen says that the book would be written about again and no one acknowledges the book.

I acknowledge with when the book as a very useful and true book, and it pointed out many aspects Edvardsen unhealthy and unbiblical theology and doctrine. And why would it not be written such things today? Because too many either been silenced and those who speak against things before "reverse" and become as apostates as those who were warned against before.

Further, Edvardsen: When society was more single-minded and primitive. There was little tolerance for the people who were a little different, and it was greater ignorance in so many areas. We live in a much more enlightened and developed societies today, with considerably greater openness to different methods and ways of thinking. (End of quote).

All this does not, the community, especially among the Christians there at full speed back it up. There is more and more sin, especially among the believers there be a formidable drop in all areas. The spiritual condition has never been as bad as today, it is Babylon the church.

From my commentaries Revelation 22 10 And he said to me, "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book! For the time is near. God does not give their revelations for us to fend for ourselves and wonder at the most. Everything should be in the light and we can discuss it with both leg and scholar. At the time was near when, testify that it must be even closer today. Knowledge will be great in the end times, this is especially true in the spiritual realm. These Bible commentaries I write here is written by a man who work full time and have family. But anyway, I think I can say that it is revelation and exegesis which even the apostles if they had read it 2000 years ago had been spellbound by! Daniel 12 4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book until the end of time. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

11 Let him who does wrong, still do wrong, and the unclean continue in their filth! Let the righteous still do what is right, and the Saints continue in sanctification. Now we return to what we otherwise find in God's word of truth and learning. We find the same in a prophet in the Old Testament that is often compared to John, the prophet Daniel. 12th 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and refined. But the wicked will continue in their wickedness, and none of them will know something. But the wise shall understand. The world is hopelessly lost, but what about Christians? Do they go on and on with the Lord? Unfortunately, it turns out that all too often becomes a present by the way. But it goes with the Lord shall be glorious pilgrimage and glory. As believers we resemble more and more on Jesus as we walk with Him.

12 Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to each according to his work. We as a people will get slither with the Lord. It is important to collect treasures in heaven than on earth. It is more precious than anything. The Bible gives instructions here too. Matt. 6 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and ye shall receive all the others as well.

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet like A is in Norwegian. And Omega is the latest in the same alphabet just like it is in Norwegian. Jesus is God's first creation and that the last he will stand upon the earth. He is the first and the last. He is Alpha and, with all that it contains. Heb. 12th 2 looking unto Him who is the author and finisher of our faith, Jesus. To get the joy he had in store, he endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. We read again that many other people that Jesus is the author and finisher. The dichotomy of Jesus is something that recurs. By his death and by his life, the last Adam, the second man etc.

14 Blessed are those who wash their clothes, so they get right to the tree of life and go through the gates into the city. We look up to people who get something. We feel sorry for people who fail. We think and talk like humans. But the real failure is failing to accept Jesus, and to truly succeed is to accept Jesus. And if one reaches one day, when they have succeeded more than anyone else.

15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Now there are those who read this verse so that there is someone outside and is such as these. It is not true, there are those who live like this and want to believe. But they will never reach, whether they think. As living here mentioned. Paul speaks in 2 Tim. 3 of those living in sin. But they are actually many of them also love God, but there is nothing they love more than God, "their appetites." 2 Tim. 3 4 treacherous, rash, conceited. They love pleasure rather than God. (End of quote).

This, he argues further: There is no one who acknowledges "white book" today. It was quite simply a mistake, concludes Rune Edvardsen

In order not to repeat myself, but unfortunately there is no spiritual conflict among believers anymore. Why? Those who think otherwise are all too quickly silenced or those who once were barikardene has now gone over to "the enemy"! This is ståa, but where are people going? Towards the Abyss is a grower himself, his own pleasure and will not listen to authority but only themselves!

I write the headline: "Rune Edvardsen leads people behind light by saying that people were primitive, uvitne and single-minded before! Before they lived clean, nowadays people concerned with pleasure, it is storlåt and sin in all shapes, ".

What did the prophet Isaiah?

Isaiah 5 20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

When t.o.m. believers live the Lord's "happy days" of sin, glamorous. Think of a great revival, yes, I know not what.

How are people today here in Norway on the way? We are approaching more and more what it was like in the ancient Roman Empire before it went under.

They were tired, had lost the battle glow, disillusioned and discouraged. Reminiscent of today's people. In all, they had nothing to live for, everything was tested! How are people currently in the process of being, in which pleasure, free sex, follow their passions and material abundance. Is the world improved as Edvardsen claim? Scripture clearly states how it will be in the end times.

Matt. 24th 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many will grow cold most.

Injustice to take over. What does that mean? The way I see it, for example. a very injustice that Jan Hanvold living in blatant sin and glory theologian has become a "great" Christian leader. When Edvardsen claims that he does not be contradicted or someone else the opportunity to give a rebuttal, this is deeply unfair, but that will characterize the end times scripture says.

E. Ekholt writes:

These strong words of Jesus found in Matt.24, 12! And love will grow cold because iniquity shall abound. When it says that love will grow cold, so it tells us at once that it was once warm. The angel of the church in Ephesus had left its first love. At Rev. 2, 1-7. It was Jesus who first discovered this fact, no church there, which otherwise appears to be a great church. Is this also the actual reality in our country today? Thus, at most? Can we really face up to the realism of this? It must first apply to Christianity, as the world well people can not be said to have had a warm love for Jesus? So most people, the bulk going to get a cold love! What can be achieved with it, the development of life and business is achieved with it? Yes, results that are measurable with menneskemål (Revelation 21.17), such as the number of members, the size of the house, the collector on the content etc. However, results regarding the church's inner life is not measured by menneskemål, they are the only Jesus that measure! That Jesus loves us with a burning hot love he has proven to the fullest, but what proves a cold love back? What bride or groom will go into a marriage where the man's love grown cold? Where in this realism we will place the meter columns of discussions back and forth about right or wrong with gays in ordained positions in the church? And the church's top leadership? No, touching this is not modern enough, it is not timely! "Away with this" can be read out of the discussion. But Jesus is the realistic reality! And he described the prophetic period about 2,000 years ago.

Fortunately, he said not that this applies to everyone. It is possible to maintain a hot love under the most difficult and unjust conditions. We have in Scripture the best examples of that. The very best speaks the words of Jesus: "Father, forgive them! For they know not what they do. "And Stephen, who rained stones said," Lord, lay not this sin! "And all the thousands of martyrs who endured the worst tortures without denying Jesus. They maintained love hot under gross injustice. By faith and the Holy Spirit and God's grace, it is possible also for us. Such opportunities afforded us by faith in Jesus Christ. What we should be very grateful! But maybe it needed a radical conversion here and there first? A conversion that throws the world and the things in the world of the heart and mind? Only then can Jesus move in there, and only then it becomes a reality that we love him, 1 John. 2.15.

The above examples it is good to dwell on, they are a great challenge for us, because we do possess the same invincible love that they had. We do not know what the future will bring, only that Jesus wants to meet us in a warm re-love.

Ibsen understood and wrote as follows: "What you are, be there totally, not bits and pieces! (End of quote).

Final comment:

Do we need such as lime string Edvardsen? There are those Christians would have said the Apostle Paul in the end times, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts take themselves teachers in droves, having itching in the ear, and the shall turn away their ears from the truth, and be turned unto fables. "

The old Pentecostals were not there, they loved the word of God if they were single-minded and primitive confident in many things, and they strived to follow the word of God in the life and teachings. Today's Pentecostals and charismatics, they do as they please them, follow their natural needs even if it goes straight to God's word. Progress? There is a huge drop in progress. Aril Edvardsen, Rune Edvardsen father claimed that the great apostasy had been and never came back. What a lie! We live today in the middle of the great apostasy in Christendom!

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Nr. 547: The church is a disaster!

Nr. 547:

The church is a disaster!

By Randi Ingwersen

The author claims that after the work of the church is deficient, not existing and overlooked! It's like being parents and leaving everything to randomness and others. Such parents would say one was not fit to be parents, it's probably the same thing we are looking for a great deal within its most Christian churches that are not fit! Image shows a local church, it is Family Worship Center in Baton Rouge in the U.S. as opposed to many churches is a functioning and spiritual church where love and compassion are prevailing.

You see today many preachers who cut the number saved souls. It is like a kind of sport in who can get the highest possible souls saved and it made me see it differently. It's good that people are saved, but what happens to the same people after they have said yes to salvation?

Not everyone has a network around them and where do they go to a meeting or gathering afterwards preachers or care about it or other team for that matter, and they sacrifice some thoughts faith?

My experience is no ..... get care about either you or me ..... and it's like sending out new converts to the wolves. That should be enough to get Christians to stop and at least reflect.

Was a "bum" at a meeting once and he said yes to Jesus and this had been the best day of his life. He was sitting all alone and had to actually buy a cup of coffee! None offered him anything! Should it be like that? Just the fact that you should buy all the many churches ..... and that churches have become shops.

Could have written a lot more but these are my thoughts on it to be fishers of men :)

Looks so many writes that those will be fishers of men, the last time we have left on this earth,,,, well,,,, it's NOT just to fish the way,,, let all the whiz, it's about to be on this fish, so it is not in the boat only, rot and die, or that other people step on it ....!

We fish, leaving it as the boat, where it is in many cases just lying,,, "They" have not understood that people then will be aided, assisted with their needs, grooming, training, nutrition, care and love ♥ Simply be taken care of! Do not get killed, trampled on and eaten! It is time that those who call themselves saved / believers and who are fishing people start taking responsibility for his human fish!

It is not a competition to get the most fish, bonus points for each fish somehow. Every soul that surrenders and says yes to Jesus has been your new close family member, think about it! ♥ Can not just close the door for him / her when the meeting is over! But unfortunately, I know it's just the way it goes,,,,,!

Stopping the comparison of such fishing takes place in the world, for sure, once you've gotten the fish caught and then stops compare ♥ ♥ ♥

God bless each and every reader of the blog!

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Nr. 546: Sjur Jansen who runs a house fellowships think I am a Christian then I do not think that the only true God died on the cross, but the man Jesus Christ!

Nr. 546:

Sjur Jansen who runs a house fellowships think I am a Christian then I do not think that the only true God died on the cross, but the man Jesus Christ!

Sjur Jansen and other Trinitarian doctrine sets without passing salvation ultimately by believing that it was God who died on the cross and not man Jesus Christ who died for our sins! It is also especially bad if one condemns others who are on the right path. To be labeled so that trinity teachers such as Sjur Jansen does not make me anything, but he and like-minded people to be held accountable for this. That I believe is "bad for business!".

This type Shur Jansen about me including on their own blog about me when I tried to discuss with him about the Trinity: "Are you against Trinity with your arguments, you must also be against Toene. Put another way, then you must believe that it was God who sacrificed himself for our sake on the cross. "

What I wrote: God sacrificed himself so deep he could through the Son. It is love that! He gave him up for us all! 1 Jn. b 4 9 In this was manifested the love toward us, because that God sent his only Son into the world that we might live through him. Joh. e 3 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life; Or was your response haughty and not what I asked! Sjur you waive my salvation when I do not believe that Jesus is the only true God. Jesus is God, but not the one true God. But it is anything that describes who he is, telling and explaining all aspects and around him. He will one day rule the earth for 1000 years, then he will give everything back to the Father, the only true God. Is there something Divine above one if one should eg. reign of God Father's mandate for 1000 years? He zones sin for me on Calvary (even if you exclude me the experience and belief in it). It is very, very many aspects of Jesus here I can pull off.

Jesus has been given all authority by whom? You are allowed to believe what you want, but you do not see that there is an essential difference between God the Father and Jesus? The Bible describes humans as well as God, angels, yes, even more. But you must see what lies behind the words, what it stands alongside etc. You avoids answering again and again to my questions. But you 'require' answer to me all the time, no honest and good way to debate on. Sjur you come with your views, but I think you are mixing God the Father and Jesus. All that Jesus is, p.g.a. His Father. He says, for example. that me All power is given, the Father is greater than me, he does not know when he comes back, it knows only the Father. I do nothing without the Father shows me etc. You still have not answered my question. Among other do not you see that there are essentially differences in God the Father and Jesus?

Imagine that. That my father is my copyright, and I'm a "profit" of him. So it is with God the Father and Jesus. Jesus has a beginning, and his work has an end. Father has no beginning, and His work and kingdom are forever and for always. Can you, for example. explain this passage to me, at least try it. 1 Cor. 15th 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he says that everything is subjected to him, then it is evident that he is excepted who subject him everything; 28 but when everything is subjected to him, then shall the Son himself subdue him him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. The son shall submit to the Father again, why? As he came forth from him and made his will in one and all! Believe only in one God the Father, as the Apostle Paul says, hallelujah!

This was the first Christian creed: it is yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Looking again and again escapes to comment and answer my question, but dispense what you believe in (something I'm unfamiliar with since I have been in PB and welcoming friends for thirty years). I will try one last time, if you can answer. Is there a hierarchy? Where God, the Ancient of Days is at the top. Secondly, the Son, the angels, as people, so animals and plants? If you believe in the word of God teaches, how can you explain this?

1 Cor. 11th 3 But I want you to know that Christ is every man's master, and the husband is the master, and God is his master.

You have not answered even one of my questions in a clarifying manner, but place me without past salvation. Would really what kind of God you have to do, is not God the God of truth and the Spirit is the Spirit of truth? How I experience it and have an answer to everything you have come to, but has "jumped" over something in between otherwise it would have been too patchy and too much at once. You come with a whole serial of outlay as I know, and I can not comment on any claim you get when you do not answer me some of what I've asked you yet? A bit like the answer should have been, but I'm not saved in your eyes even though I believe that Jesus died for my sins and that is through the blood and live a holy and consecrated life you are saved and kept talking about being seduced and spiritually blind! What I've read so far from you, is that you are the same as most "Christian" only to emphasize that the meetings will take place in house meetings, to enjoy, not to study what the scriptures actually say and mean. And I think there is zero error in the word of God as it was given to the saints of old, but through translations etc. then things have not been translated 100% correct and our language has also been negatively affected. Therefore, one can not read the Norwegian translation and necessarily say that this is 100% correct, but now I expect you to answer me for the first time so far in this debate! And is there a hierarchy? Then one must be larger than the other, or so it is not a hierarchy? Don t how those who believe in a God triad of three equal Gods, read and study the Bible, they had been failing the math at least! But one thing most, "audacity and Freida gift", not a lowly Jesus' mind. Strange that this is so if they have "the truth". And you believe in three Gods, he-he, it will not explain, why? (End of quote).

To not bring all things here, we see here that Sjur Jansen drag my salvation in doubt. It is this that is the case main core, I am saved who rejects the Trinity or not?

It was not God who came down and became man, but his son, who came forth from him. Here there is a major difference.

Joh 4:28 p.m. I came forth from the Father and entered the world, I leave the world and go to the Father.

There are many differences in God the Father, and very many similarities. We can over-focus on what I call the divine unit at the expense of the differences between Father and son, between the only true God the Father and Jesus, his own unique and special son who is the only one who is himself equal and has declared he itself.

It says in Isaiah 44 6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.

What it says here in the Hebrew is: besides me there is no God like me. This says God the Father himself. He is the only one who is from everlasting. The only true God. All others after him into the rank and origin.

It is essential to understand that no one can be equated with God the Father fully, therefore it stands in the Hebrew Bible as the original, "besides me there is no God like me."

Then everything else will fall into place, only we understand and acknowledge that God the Father is the only true God, no one else.

Here an article I wrote some years ago: the Word was God or the divine species!

Joh. e 1 In the beginning was the Word. Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Jesus has a beginning, it has not the Father.

Psalm 90 Psalm 90 2 Before the mountains were born, before the earth and the world was, even from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

Word 8 is biledelig speak about Jesus just as Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 it is Satan. Alpha and Omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. Jesus was the first Father created and that the last he will deliver the kingdom to the Father. Obvious. 1 7 Behold, he cometh in the clouds! Every eye will see Him, even those who pierced him, and all the nations of the earth shall mourn over him. Yea, verily, amen!

8 I am Alpha and Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty. This is Jesus. He is the Almighty and the sovereign on Father's behalf. When he has ruled for 1000 years, together with all the saints, he turns the kingdom to the Father again.

Jesus has gradually been filled with the Father if he has never had a negative thought, sinful act or something that has been in open session and to the annoyance of the Father.

Father looks wrong with his holy angels, but never in the Son. Therefore, he is different and perfect as only the Father is. He is God, yet not the Father. This doctrine of the Trinity was totally unknown to the early Christians, they had a monotheistic understanding of God just like the Jews. The heresy of the Trinity came as apostasy was the official church evolved.

Then one had to have learning device, not the unity that Scripture speaks of. Eph. 4 3 careful to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

1 Joh. b 1 That which was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we saw, and our hands touched, if we hold the bid, the word of life. 2 And the life was manifested, we have seen it and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was revealed to us. 3 That which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, that ye should have fellowship with us, we have fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And we are writing this that our joy will be complete.

There are so effortlessly over the apostle's teaching in contrast to the Trinity as one can not understand. But one must believe in blind obedience not to be stamped. How can a purely mathematical getting the three Gods a God? Therefore, using a word deity is a word that a user for all it's worth, the word God is too difficult.

What says the apostle really? That Jesus was with the Father and was manifested as life, light and Son. Let yourself the fool anymore, there is only one God, the Father. And the Son is gone out from him. Joh. AD 17 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

In John 1: 1 is, according to the Norwegian Bible Society translation of 1978/85: "In the beginning was the Word. Word was with God, and the Word was God. "Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly that" the Word "is Jesus. (John 1: 14) However, since the Word is called God, someone who draws the conclusion that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.

We must be aware that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later the Greek text translated into other languages. But a number of Bible translators have translated the last words of John 1: 1 with "the Word was God." Why? Based on their knowledge of biblical Greek, they concluded that these words be translated in a different way. How have they chosen to translate them? Here are some examples: "The Word was of divine species." (The New Testament in the new translation of Sounds Brown, Oslo) "the Word was a god." (The New Testament in an Improved Version, London) "The Word was a divine being. »(La Bible du Centenaire, Paris) According to these translations are not word God selv.1 Instead, the word referred to as" a god ", because of his high position among the Lord God creatures. The word "God" here means "one who is mighty." And it speaks above all about quality word God here. Jesus is the only one that has the same life, light, and features fully with the Father. I have tried to meet surpassed all difficult passages and the sum of God's word is truth. What is the sum of God's word? There are 1000 passages that speak of one God and 3-4 passages that speak of the Trinity.

The choice is yours what and who to follow!

Consider this example: A teacher explains a topic for their students. Afterward, the students disagreed about how to understand the explanation. How can they figure out the issue? They can ask the teacher to get more information. When they get more facts, it is probably easier for them to understand the subject. In a similar way you can understand what it says in John 1: 1, means, go to the Gospel of John to gain more information about Jesus' position. The fact that you get more facts, will make it easier for you to draw the right conclusion.

Think for example of what John writes in chapter 1, verse 18: "No one has ever seen [Almighty] God." But people have seen Jesus, the Son. John says: "The Word [Jesus] became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory." (John 1: 14, NO) How could the Son be part of Almighty God? John says that the Word was "with God". But how can a person be with someone and be that person? And in John 17: 3 Jesus clearly distinguishes between himself and his heavenly Father. He describes his father as "the only true God." At the end of his Gospel, John, also his account of the signs Jesus did, by saying: "These have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." (John 20: 31) Notice that Jesus referred to as the Son of God, not as God. This additional information that John's Gospel comes to show how John 1: 1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is "a god" in the sense that he has a high position, but he is not the same as the Almighty God.

Consider again the example of the teacher and the students. Imagine that someone is still uncertain after they have listened to the additional explanation the teacher has made. What can they do? They may turn to another teacher for more information on the same topic. If the other teacher explains and confirms the explanation of the first has come with is probably most students no longer perplexed. If you are not sure what the Bible writer John really said about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you can do something similar. You can turn to another Bible writer to get more information. Think for example of what Matthew wrote. He quoted Jesus as saying in connection with the end of the current world order, "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24: 36) How to confirm the words that Jesus is not the Almighty God?

Jesus said that the Father knows more than the Son. But if Jesus were part of Almighty God, he would have known exactly the same as his father. The Son and the Father can thus not be equated. But some may say, "Jesus had two natures. Here he talks in his capacity of man. "But if that were the case, what about the Holy Spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why did not Jesus that it knows what the Father knows?

When one goes into this subject and compare all passages up against each other so get Trinity followers difficulty.

It's really just a scripture that speaks directly about the Trinity and it is not included in the original basic text, it is a later addition. Now the false, unbiblical and demonic trinity stand for vertical or the cat has nine lives? Of course, the word of God and the truth sets free, Jesus.

Joh. e 8 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. " Here is one passage that speaks of the Trinity in plain text:

Theologians have pointed out several places in the NT to support in their view that God is three, three people. Father, Son and Holy Spirit-who are together in a god. This dogma is not particularly emphasized in the Bible except in some later texts other than in the first Epistle of John chapter 5 verses 7-8 Through the Latin Middle Ages believed that the text said: There are three that bear witness in heaven. The Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit. Aha here it is, the dogma of the Trinity. But this is found only in the Latin manuscripts. No, not in the Greek manuscripts of the NT.

Since the New Testament of the Greek manuscripts were published in 1516, a scribe named Erasmus did not include these verses to the great hubbub of his theological opponents who maintained that he had a mischievous way removed from Trinity Bible. Erasmus replied that he could not find this part in any of the Greek manuscripts he knew. And here goes the story. He challenged his opponents to produce a Greek manuscript of the Trinity. If they did it, he would include it in the next edition of the NT. In response produced his opponents a manuscript or at least they got a produced. Some copied John's first letter from the Greek and added these verses, and presented them to Erasmus. As the honorable man he was, he included these verses in the next edition. It was this version that became the basis for the King James version, which was important in the historical Bible in English. These verses are still in the King James version but not the newer and more reliable translations.

This is why an older generation of readers of the English Bible was assumed that the Bible taught the dogma of the Trinity, even though this is not found in any Greek manuscripts in more than a thousand years. So what are the most reliable? The Greek manuscripts or the much later Latin?

Let now be abundantly clear, I stick to the original Greek manuscript. Then one must reject the Trinity and Jesus only doctrine and belief in only one God, the Father, and that he only has an only Son, Jesus Christ! (End of quote).

Jesus had to be a human being like us to die for mankind.

1 Tim. 2 5 For there is one God and one mediator rocks of God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, a testimony in his time.

From my commentaries Hebrews 2 6 If this is the one who has testified somewhere: What is man that You are mindful of him, the son of man, that You care for him?

It is a paradox that we humans are made lower than the angels but anyway it was a human Son of God was. Should not he rather be an angel and save 1 \ 3 of those who fell and became Satan? No, it's a human being and God takes us down. The angels who fell has no possibility of restoration.

7 A short time you put him lower than the angels. But you have crowned him with glory and honor; Even Jesus by becoming human was lower set lower than the angels. The angels can see out the Father's presence and be in his presence without having to pass away. We humans can not.

8 everything you put under his feet. When it says, "put all things under him," then nothing except, everything should be subject to him. Yet we can not see that everything is put under him. But with Jesus as "opted" God the Father all on him. Should there be salvation, redemption, and we humans could have to do with God. Was all nodes of the test consisted of Jesus and the Father would recognize it!

9 But we see Jesus, who for a short while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death. How was he by the grace of God taste death for everyone. Jesus held out to be human and completed his work. But it was in the most bitter way. He was not spared nothing, even death received him into her embrace. 10 For God is all things reason and origin, would lead many sons to glory. When he had to leave the captain who leads them to salvation, made perfect through sufferings of the Son of God. This is such a great paradox that we must take eternity to help to understand and get to the bottom of this. That God could even allowed and acknowledge that salvation must and should go through the humiliation, suffering and death.

1:14 Since the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself part of the same. How was he by his death destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil, Jesus became a man and not an angel. Without that he had become as one of us as he had not been able to save and redeem us from sin, bondage and death is our last enemy that Jesus also defeated. 1 Cor. 15.54 And when that happens, and this corruptible and mortal shall have put on incorruption and immortality, then fulfilled that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory

15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. All that has gone before both those who lived then and we are living today is salvation included. If we are to see death and not get to experience the rapture, salvation just as great, lovely and safe.

16 It is not angels he takes care of, but he takes care of the seed of Abraham. Here we go again, it's not the angels which are objective but God's people. And the blessing is within the reach only through partaking of the same faith that Abraham had, and then we are also a part of his family. Gal. 3 14 This happened so that the Gentiles through Jesus Christ should partake of the blessing that was promised to Abraham, and that through faith would receive the Spirit as it was promised. 17 Therefore he must in all things be like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God and zone sins of the people. Through Jesus not only remained to be with God and be like Him in His likeness. But the man and knew everything like us. Then scroll he our perfect High Priest.

18 Because he himself suffered and been tempted, he can help those who are tempted. Jesus stood struggle and suffering out and he has full understanding of being human. But he does not stand at a distance and believe we can and will manage the game alone. He will help and come to our aid by his Spirit that will strengthen, guide, comfort and complement us! (End of quote).

Jesus was and was like you and me, so we see again and again that it was not God who died on the cross, but a human being. And there was a man who was raised up, not a God. Therefore it says that it was God the Father mighty power - the Holy Spirit - who raised Jesus from the dead. In this way, God the Father that Jesus' sacrifice was perfect and that he - Jesus Christ - was God's own Son.

Here comes none scriptures that tell us this:

Rooms. 1 4 that according to the spirit of holiness is declared to be the Son of God by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,

Eph. 1 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in heaven.

Jesus was 100% human and 0% the only true God, it is only and alone God the Father is. It was, therefore, that he was human and not God that he could serve the sin that Hebrews 1 16 says: "It is not angels he takes care of, but he takes care of Abraham's seed." Here lies the secret of the whole salvation. If one then believe that Jesus was and became a man, one is not saved by what the Trinity claims. They turn at the head, that it was God and not man who died on the cross. What did Jesus on the cross?

Mark 3:34 p.m. And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, Eloi! Eloi! lama sabachthani? it is interpreted, My God! My God! why have you forsaken me?

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli! Eli! lama sabachthani? that is, My God! My God! why have you forsaken me?

A God can not leave a god, but a man can be forgiven by God. If we turn this head we lose salvation. In other words, the Trinity puts itself ultimately without passing salvation!

Final comment:

Sjur Jansen and other trinity doctrine is incredibly arrogant when they can draw others' salvation in doubt but they are trying to put itself without passing to believe and teach others that it was God and not man who died on the cross. Scripture clearly says that the Father made a body for him and he had to be our generation - a human - like you and me to die for us as a perfect man. Which is unblemished and perfect sacrifice. This, I think, and I'm sure that's what will keep for my and others' salvation. Not that God is dead, but the man Jesus Christ died. And God showed up and godgjorde this, he raised Jesus from the dead so that he would be for our justification!

Rooms. 4 22 Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness. 23 And not only for his sake it is written that it was imputed to him, 24 but for our sake, that it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

Jesus was raised by God the Father for our justification, as the perfect man he was!

I think that there will be Jesus only people trinity doctrine in heaven. But both spiritual direction is wrong, therefore, study the word of God above all. And read the blogs and our website, recommended!

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Nr. 545: A true believer spiritual judgeth all things, and even live in accordance with what God's word teaches, what is the secret that he judges healthy, just and in accordance with the will of God!

Nr. 545:

A true believer spiritual judgeth all things, and even live in accordance with what God's word teaches, what is the secret that he judges healthy, just and in accordance with the will of God!

We have a law, and shall fix a forefinger against others, but first and foremost to ourselves. When it's done, then we have both the right and the duty to correct it against others. This picture shows one forefinger directed against one or more. We should not be so afraid to correct a finger against something, especially those who preach the word of God. But we must always ensure that we live as we preach.

There are many times nice to read what I have written before, it holds even today. This I wrote certain period of 5-10 years ago. Do not know when, but it is on our website, take this as an introduction:

Bible's most misunderstood and misinterpreted scripture of believers?!

Rom.7.1. Judge not, that ye be not judged! 2 Following judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and in the same measure that ye mete up, it will be measured back to you. 3 Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye, but the plank in your own eye you not notice? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye! Then you will see clearly enough to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

I've heard countless times that one should not judge.

But is this what Jesus says? No! What Jesus is saying is that first should have nothing to hide itself. Only then has the right to judge, not before.

It also summarizes several other passages. Jesus says about who shall be called great in the kingdom of God. Matt.5. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does them and teaches others to do the same, shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Furthermore, in Matt.23.2 "in Moses' seat sits the scribes and Pharisees. 3 Whatever they say, you shall therefore make and keep. But what they do, you will not abide by. For they say one and do something else. We first meet here that Jesus praises the people who learn that they preach in contrast to the Pharisees. As preached right but who lived opposite.

The script provides a unified witness that we shall judge, especially in the spiritual realm. We will even judge angels too.

But scripture, particularly Jesus points out that the prerequisite for this is to live and walk in the light itself. Then a law also point out other things. But the saying goes, too much and too little scarring. So it is with everything, why should we weigh our words carefully. But to deny others to judge is not biblical teaching. God's word says in 1 Kor.2.5 But the man who has the Spirit can judge everything, and although it can not be judged by anyone.

Whoever has the Spirit and walk even in accordance with the word of God can and will judge what is from God and in accordance with the scriptures and not. But it is also good to know in this context that we all see bits and pieces. (End of quote).

This is a very good quote, 'Do not judge what you do not know. Bjørnson

What does Jesus really? What does the word of God?

As I see it, we have the rule of law making us an opinion, and also be able to judge what is right and what is wrong. About what is sin and not sin. We should be able to judge all, for the scripture says, "But the man who has the Spirit can judge everything and although it can not be judged by anyone."

There is no one who is so judgmental than those who point out that others should not judge, it is my experience. What saith the Scripture that important here?

We read what Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount:

Matt. 5 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The essence of Jesus' teaching here is that even live in accordance with God's will and word, if not than it does. Then one should remain silent in the face of others, completely set. But living than even according to the word of God, then, is both a right and a duty to speak out. For we shall be judged with the same judgment that we judge others. Therefore, Jesus says that if we do not even sufficient, then it is much better to ask for mercy. Then it is possible to find it. But we do not even extends to and condemn others, when the verdict will be relentless. Here is an example of it:

Luke 18 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: God! I thank thee that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God! weather sins gracious me! 14 I tell you, this man went down justified to his house rather than the other: for every one exalts himself shall be abased, and he humbles himself shall be exalted.

The secret is to be self-leveling of the word of God in their lives, when everything is "law"?

But is not level with the Word of God, Tues set, then if possible find favor with God.

Scripture tells us to judge everything, even the angels are we even judge.

1 Corinthians 6:2 Know ye not that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Final comment:

What exactly is the word of God learn about the judging? Did Bjorn Bjornsen says it very well already quoted, "Thou shalt not judge what you do not know." Want to add what Jesus said already quoted from the Sermon on the Mount, "but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

We will of course put us into things, do not be superficial. Secondly, we always go in ourselves, and see if our lives can withstand the light of God's word. If it does, then we have a full opportunity to assert our views, even if it is perceived as a judge.

But the final judgment belongs only to the Lord also says Scripture

1 Cor. 4 3 But with me it has little to say to be judged by you or by any human court; yes, I judge me not even yourself; 4 For I know nothing by myself, but am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts: and then shall all get their praise of God.

God is our ultimate judge!

The apostle Paul showed nothing of his own life, faith or heart who do not measure, it is a very strong faith. Yet, God was his final judgments. So it is for all of us, you and me dear friend!

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