tirsdag 22. november 2011

Nr. 137: Trinity doctrine is and will remain a fantasy learning!

Nr. 137:

Trinity doctrine is and will remain a fantasy learning!

One of the stories that Bart Ehrman takes up in his book "Forged" is precisely that which concerns the origin of the said Christian doctrine of the Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - which is that God believes three figures, or what can now be calling these invisible entities.

It turns out that the three terms only appear together three times in the Bible, for example in Matthew 28:19, but the word "Trinity" or the concept that "God is three persons" is never mentioned, and the three verses in which the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit shows up, there was absolutely not in the original Greek version.
In one way or another were versjene added in the later Latin version, by the Council of Nicaea, and soon grew to an important tenet in Christianity. So significant was this doctrine that when it was discovered that it did not exist in the original Greek version, was the Latin text first translated back into Greek, so that it all would look authentic.
Credible? Well, this is rather what we colloquially call fake.

Joh. e. 1 In the beginning was the Word. Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

Jesus has a beginning, it has not the Father.

Psalm 90 Psalm 90 2 Before the mountains were born, before the earth and the world was, indeed, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

Proverbs 8 is biledelig speak of Jesus just as Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 is that of Satan.

Alpha and Omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. Jesus was the first Father created and that the last he shall surrender the kingdom to the Father.

Obvious. 1. 7 Behold, he cometh in the clouds! Every eye will see Him, even those who pierced him, and all peoples of the earth will mourn over him. Yea, verily, amen!

8 I am Alpha and Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and is to come, the Almighty.

This is Jesus. He is the almighty and sovereign on Father's behalf. When he has ruled for 1000 years with all the saints, and surrender his kingdom to the Father again.

Jesus has been gradually filled in as the Father he never had a negative thought, sinful act or which has been open session and to the chagrin of the Father.

Father looks wrong with his holy angels, but never in the Son. Therefore, he is different and perfect that only the Father is. He is God and yet not the Father. This is the doctrine of the Trinity was unknown to the early Christians, they had a monotheistic understanding of God just like the Jews. This false doctrine of the Trinity came as the defection came in and official church evolved.

Then one had to have a learning device, not the Spirit's unity as the writing speaks.

Eph. 4. 3 careful to preserve the unity of the Spirit, the peace that binds together.

1. Joh. b. 1 That which was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we saw and our hands touched, if we hold the bid, the words of life. 2 And the life was revealed, we have seen it and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the Father and was revealed to us. 3 What we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, that ye should have fellowship with us, we have fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And we are writing this that our joy will be complete.

It is so effortlessly over the apostle's teaching in contrast to the Trinity as one can not understand. But one must believe in blind obedience to not be stamped. How can a purely mathematical achieve that three Gods one one God?

Therefore, using a word deity is a word that one uses for all it's worth, the word God is too difficult.

What does the Apostle mean?

That Jesus was with the Father and was revealed as life, light and Son.

Be the fool anymore, there is only one God, the Father. And the Son is gone out from him.

Joh. e. 17 3 And this is life eternal that they might know thee the only true God, whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

In John 1: 1 is, according to the Norwegian Bible Society's translation of 1978/85: "In the beginning was the Word. Word was with God, and the Word was God. "Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly that" the Word "is Jesus. (John 1: 14) But since the word is spoken of as God, is there anyone who draws the conclusion that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.

We must be aware that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, the Greek text translated into other languages. But a series of Bible translators have not translated the last words in John 1: 1 with "the Word was God." Why not? Based on their knowledge of biblical Greek, they concluded that these words be translated in a different way. How have they chosen to translate them? Here are some examples: "the Word was of divine species." (The New Testament in a new translation of the Sounds Brown, Oslo) "The Word was a god." (The New Testament in an Improved Version, London) "The Word was a divine being. "(La Bible you Centenaire, Paris) according to these translations are not word God selv.1 Instead, the word referred to as" a god "because of his high position among the Lord God creatures. The word "god" here means "one who is mighty."

And it speaks above all about the quality of the word God here.

Jesus is the only one who has the same life, light and features fully with the Father.

I have tried to meet those of all difficult passages, and the sum of God's word is truth.

What is the sum of God's word?

There are 1,000 passages that speak of one God and 3-4 passages that speak of the Trinity.

It's your choice what and who to follow!

Consider this example: A school teacher explains a subject for their students. Afterward, the students disagreed about how to understand the explanation. How can they find out of the case? They can ask the teacher to get more information. When they get more facts, it is probably easier for them to understand the subject. Similarly, you can understand what it says in John 1: 1, means, go to John for more information about Jesus' position. The fact that you get more facts, will make it easier for you to draw the right conclusion.

Think for example of what John writes in chapter 1, verse 18: "Nobody has ever seen [the Almighty] God." But the people have seen Jesus, the Son. John says: "the Word [Jesus] became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory." (John 1: 14, NO) How could the Son be a part of Almighty God? John also says that the Word was "with God." But how can a person be with someone and be that person? And in John 17: 3 separates Jesus clearly between himself and his Heavenly Father. He describes his father as "the only true God." At the end of his gospel summarizes John also his account of the signs Jesus did, by saying: "These have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." (John 20: 31) Notice that Jesus referred to as the Son of God, not God. This additional information that John comes to show how John 1: 1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is "a god" in the sense that he has a high position, but he is not the same as the Almighty God.

Consider again the example of the teacher and students. Imagine that someone is still uncertain after they have listened to the additional explanation the teacher has made. What can they do? They can turn to another teacher to get more information on the same topic. If the other teacher explains and confirms the explanation the first have come with is NOK most students no longer at a loss. If you are not sure what the biblical writer John really said about the relationship between Jesus and the Almighty God, you can do something similar. You can go to another Bible writer for more information. Think for example of what Matthew wrote. He quoted Jesus as saying in connection with the end of the current world order, "If the day and hour nobody knows, neither the heaven of angels or the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24: 36) How to confirm the words that Jesus is not the Almighty God?

Jesus said that the Father knows more than the Son. But if Jesus was a part of Almighty God, he would have known exactly the same as his father. Son of the Father and therefore can not be equal. But some may say, "Jesus had two natures. Here he talks in his capacity of man. "But if it were the case, what about the Holy Spirit? If it is part of the same God as Father, why did not Jesus that it knows that the Father knows?

When one goes into this subject and compare all the passages up against each other so get Trinity fans problems.

It's really just a scripture that speaks directly about the Trinity and it is not included in the original text because it is a later addition. Now, the false, unbiblical and demonic trinity doctrine stand or fall is the cat has nine lives?

Of course not, God's word and truth set free, Jesus says.

Joh. e. 8 32 And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. "

Here is one scripture that speaks of the Trinity in the clear:

Theologians have pointed out several places in the NT to support in their view that God is three, three people. Father, Son and Holy Spirit-who are in a god. This dogma is not particularly emphasized in the Bible except in some later texts other than in the first Epistle of John chapter 5 verses 7-8

Through the Latin Middle Ages it was believed that the text said: There are three that bear witness in heaven. Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit. Ah here it is, the dogma of the Trinity. But this is found only in the Latin manuscripts. Absolutely not in the Greek manuscripts of the NT.

When the New Testament of the Greek manuscripts were published in 1516, a scribe named Erasmus did not include these verses to the great hubbub of his theological opponents who maintained that he had a mischievous way removed Trinity from the Bible. Erasmus replied that he could not find this part in some of the Greek manuscripts he knew. And here goes the story. He challenged his opponents to produce a Greek manuscript of the Trinity. If they did it, he would include it in the next edition of the NT. In response produced his opponents a manuscript or at least they got a produced. Some copied John's first letter from the Greek, and added these verses, and presented them to Erasmus. As the honorable man he was, he included these verses in the next edition.

It was this version that became the basis for the King James version, which was important in the historical Bible in English. These verses are still in the King James version but not the newer and more reliable translations.

This is why an older generation of readers of the English Bible was assumed that the Bible taught the dogma of the Trinity, even though this is not found in any Greek manuscript in more than a thousand years.

So what is the most reliable? The Greek manuscripts or the much later Latin?

Now let this be very clear, I stick to the original Greek manuscript. Then one must reject both the Trinity and Jesus alone doctrine and belief in only one God, the Father and that he has only only begotten, Jesus Christ!

1.) http://atheistatlarge.org/2011/05/the-trinity-an-example-of-forgery-in-the-king-james-bible-bart-ehrman/

2.) http://www.youtube.com/user/smyrnaoslo#p/u/38/WqKbJjtybhU

3.) http://www.blogger.com/posts.g?blogID=7043790554374234626

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