Nr. 125: Who and where was Jesus before he became a man, in his prior life?

Nr. 125:

Who and where was Jesus before he became a man, in his prior life?

There are several views on Jesus's preeksistens or prior existence. A new spiritual direction of a teacher as I understand it, that Jesus was only the Word was with God the Father, without being a person. That the Holy Spirit is not a separate person, it is very clear from scripture which I have taken up so much that I will not spend time on it but ask your readers see on our site and the blog for this topic.

Here is what they learn in brief: "Jesus was only in the Father's mind and he was the Word who became man without a preeksistens before he came into the world." This is short, but does this with scripture?

Before we go any further. Did Jesus have a beginning or is he God from all eternity? Or is it only the Father, and he alone is the only true God? We will not go very in depth. But the Father is The only true God as opposed to Jesus, I have so emphatically documented on our website and blog that we must affirm. That the Father is the only true God, and Jesus is not. He is God in virtue of the Father's selection and his work, especially after the resurrection, his position today in the heavenly and his upcoming regent and judicial practice.

Jesus its beginning or origin:

Micah 5 1. But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, the least among the clans of Judah! From you let me get a man to be ruler over Israel. He has its origins in ancient times, he is from the ancient days.
Proverbs. 8. 22 I was the first thing that the Lord brought forth, his first works of old. 23 In the beginning, I was shaped, in the beginning, before earth came into being.
24 I was born before the deep ocean was there, before the source was filled with water.
25 Before the mountains were put in its place, before all the hills, I was born, 26 years before the Lord created the earth and fields and the first mold on earth.
1. Tim. 3. 16 It must all confess that the mystery of godliness is great:
He was revealed in human form, won the right in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the nations, believed in the world, taken up in glory.

Who is he? There are many wrong translations to God manifested in flesh, but because the text said it is not God, but he or Christ is the Lord's angel. But it was God the Father who sent him to be revealed.

We can thus affirm that Jesus has a beginning and then a preeksistens. Everything else outside of this is to tamper with the font!

But when Jesus came into the world, was he writing teacher iflg font, no god but 100% human and met all the challenges as 100% human and 0% as a god. He had to become human like us in full, when he had to expiate our sins as a man, not God, and by that he can understand us when we enter into temptation say the word or he is tried in all points like ourselves.
If a claim otherwise, it was not Jesus' works perfectly, it was manufactured and created by God and not man. But Scripture is clear on this many, many places, even if the heresy called Trinity argues otherwise. It just tells me what forces from the abyss that is behind this doctrine. Jesus died as a man and stood up as a person, but after the resurrection, he got back his divine status only in an even greater extent.

Rooms. 1. 2 This gospel of God in advance promised through his prophets in the holy scriptures, 3 the gospel of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, as man reached the house of David, 4 by the Spirit of holiness appointed as God's mighty Son as he rose from the dead.

When we have clearly demonstrated that neither the Trinity or the doctrine that says that Jesus had no preeksistens, let us stop at the side of Jesus's preeksistens who speaks more that he was before Abraham and all the others. And that he has existed from the dawn of history until he was born as a human being into this world 2000 years ago in the fullness of time.

Angel of the Lord Jesus is his clearest title in OT, while in the NT, he is the son of man and God's son. And when it says that the angel of the Lord was with Israel, it was Christ who went with them.

Isaiah 63 9 In all their affliction he was no trouble, and his face angel saved them: in his love and his pity he redeemed them, and he took them up and carried them all the days of old.

Who was this angel of the Lord went with the children of Israel? This gives Paul answers:
1. Kor. 10. 1. Brethren, this I want you to know: Our fathers in the desert were all under the cloud, and all they went through the sea. 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and they all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual rock that followed them, the rock was Christ.

I must say a big Hallelujah. It was Christ who was with them, says Paul and Isaiah say that it was the angel of the Lord or his face angel, showing that it was the same person.

Several places in the Old Testament we find the phrase 'angel of the Lord' or 'angel'. This is a person who tied as close to the Lord that they can not be separated. In some stories alternate expression between the 'angel of the Lord' and 'Lord', so that we get the impression that there is one person that's talking about. We see this example in 1 Genesis Chapter 16 of the story of Hagar. In verse 7 it says: "angel of the Lord found her by a source outside the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur." But in verse 13 it says: "When she gave the Lord had spoken to her name: 'You are the God who sees.' For she said, 'Have I really got a glimpse of him who sees me?' "
We read in 2 Mos 3.2-4: "Where the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire, which broke up from a thorn bush. Suddenly he saw that the bush was on fire, but it did not burn up. When Moses thought to himself: 'I will go and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.' But when the Lord saw that he came over to see, he called out of the bush, 'Moses, Moses!' "In the story of Gideon, we read in the Dom 2.1" angel of the Lord came from Gilgal to Bokim. He said: I brought you up from Egypt and led you to come to the land I had sworn to their fathers. " These two examples also show that the appointments' Lord 'and the angel of the Lord' sometimes used interchangeably.

In the Danish Salomonsen encyclopedia writes theologian FC Krarup about the "angel of the Lord" that "it is especially in Israel's ancient history that it speaks of 'the angel', which many theologians both ancient and modern times have regarded as an early manifestation of the other person in the Trinity. " The Norwegian staple Dean IHH Brochmann writes on p. 82 in Luther Foundation Bible works: "Based on what is here in the Old Testament said about the 'angel of the Lord', it has since antiquity of been assumed that he is the same as 'son of God'." "Angel of the Lord" in the Bible refers probably to Christ. In addition to the examples we have studied, there are several other texts from the Old Testament where these terms are used interchangeably, see eg. 1 Gen 21.17, 28.13, 31.11, Dom 6.12, 6.23, 1 Gen 48.15 to 16; Template 3.1. There is also no stranger thought of the Old Testament, God reveals himself through a messenger or an angel, who apparently also is identical with God.

Now do not think we are on a trinity when there is no biblical teachings, but Jesus has a preeksistens it teaches writing. But when the angel of the Lord in the singular, when God the Father also has several Angels who carry out his mission as Gabriel, Michael, etc.
Angel of the Lord is what is the most prominent title and what Christ is most mentioned as the font in the GT, while the NT is more than one who takes that position, it looks like?
Here is a small excerpt of scripture where we find Jesus in the Old Testament angel of the Lord:

1MOS 16:7 But the angel of the Lord found her by a source of water in the desert, the spring on the way to Shur.

1MOS 16:9 Then said the angel to her: Go back to your mistress, and submit yourself under her!

1MOS 4:10 p.m. And the angel said to her: I will make your descendants as numerous that it can not be counted for multitude.

1MOS 4:11 p.m. And the angel said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shall bear a son, and you shall call him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard your distress.

1MOS 10:11 p.m. cried the angel unto him from heaven and said, Abraham, Abraham! - He replied: Yes, here I am.

1MOS 22:15 & angel of the Lord called yet again to Abraham from heaven

2Mos 3:2 There the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush: and he looked up, and behold, the bush was on fire, but the bush is not burned up.

4Mos 10:22 p.m. But God's anger was kindled because he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the way to resist him when he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him.

4Mos 22:23 And the ass saw the angel, who stood on the road with a drawn sword in his hand, then took it off the road and out on the field: and Balaam smote the ass to turn her into the road again.

4Mos 10:24 p.m. since asked the angel himself on a narrow path between the vineyards, where there was a stone fence on both sides.

4Mos 10:25 p.m. And when the ass saw the angel, printed it himself in to the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall, when he hit it again.

4Mos 10:26 p.m. Then the angel of the LORD further, and stood in a narrow place, where was no way to turn either to the right or left.

4Mos 10:27 p.m. And when the ass saw the angel of the Lord, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he struck the donkey with his stick.

4Mos 10:31 p.m. And the Lord opened Balaam's eyes, he saw the angel standing in the way with a drawn sword in his hand, then he bent and fell on his face.

4Mos 10:32 p.m. And the angel said to him: Why have you now three times beaten your donkey? See, I have gone out to stand against thee, for I see that this road leads to ruin.

4Mos 10:34 p.m. Balaam said to the angel of the Lord: I have sinned, because I did not understand that you stood against me on the road, but if you accept, I will return.

4Mos 10:35 p.m. the angel said unto Balaam, Go with the men! But do not say anything but what I say to you! So Balaam went with the princes of Balak.

Dom 2:1 And the angel of the Lord came from Gilgal up to Bokim. And he said: I picked you up from Egypt and brought you unto the land which I swore to your fathers, and said never again will I break my covenant with you;

Dom 2:4 And when the angel of the Lord spake these words unto all Israel, the people wept aloud.

Dom 5:23 Curse Meroz, said the angel of the Lord, curse, curse its people, because they did not get the Lord to help the Lord to help among the giants.

Dom 6:11 And the angel of the Lord came and sat under the oak that stands in Ophrah, where Joash of Abies seed Council. Gideon, his son, was then and threshed wheat in vinpersen to save it for the Midianites.

Dom 6:12 And the angel of the Lord appeared to him and said to him: The Lord is with thee, thou valiant fight!

Dom 6:21 And the angel stretched out his rod in his hand, and touched with the tip of the meat and the unleavened cakes; then rose up fire from the rock and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes, while the angel of the Lord went out of his eyes.

Dom 6:22 Then Gideon that it was the angel, and he said: Woe unto me, Lord, Lord, I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face!

Dom 13:3 And the angel of the Lord appeared to the woman and said to her: Behold, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive and bear a son.

Dom 1:13 p.m. Then said the angel to Manoah, Of all that I have mentioned to the woman let her beware of.

Dom 1:15 p.m. Then Manoah said to the angel of the Lord: Can not we get you to stay for a while here, saying we can prepare a kid for thee!

Dom 1:16 p.m. But the angel said unto Manoah: If you get me to stay, so I will not eat your food, but you will prepare a burnt offering, thou must offer it to the Lord. For Manoah knew not that it was the angel of the Lord.

Dom 1:17 p.m. Then Manoah said to the angel of the Lord, What is your name? - So we may honor you when your words are fulfilled.

Dom 1:18 p.m. But the angel said to him: Why do you ask my name? - It's a strange name!

Dom 1:20 p.m. When the flame went up from the altar toward heaven, the angel went up to the altar's hat while Manoah and his wife looked on it, and they fell on their faces to the earth.

Dom 1:21 p.m. Since the angel of the Lord showed himself no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that he was the angel of the Lord.

2Sam 24:16 And the angel stretched out his hand toward Jerusalem to destroy it, then regretted the evil Lord, and he said to the angel who made havoc among the people: It is NOK; now stay your hand back! Angel of the Lord was the Jebusite Araunah place.

1 Kings 19:7 But the angel of the Lord came again a second time and touched him, saying, Arise and eat; Otherwise, the way you too long.

2 Kings 1:3 But the angel said to tisbitten Elijah, Arise, and be messengers from the king of Samaria in the face and say to them: Is it because there is no God in Israel, that ye go and inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron?

2 Kings 1:15 Then said the angel of the Lord to Elijah, Go down with him and do not be afraid of him! Then he stood up and walked with him down to the king.

2 Kings 7:35 p.m. And the same night it happened that the angel of the Lord went out and beat fifteen and eighty thousand men in the Assyrian camp, and when people arose in the morning, they saw them all lying there like dead bodies.

1Krøn 9:12 p.m. Whether famine for three years or to lie under your opponents in three months, so you can not escape your enemies sword, or the Lord's sword and the plague shall come upon the country for three days, and the angel of the Lord will cause havoc in throughout Israel's landmark! Imagine now after what I shall answer him who sent me!

1Krøn 9:15 p.m. And God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it. But when he was about to destroy, so the Lord, and he repented of the evil, and said to the angel that made destruction: It is NOK; now stay your hand back! Angel of the Lord stood then at Ornans Jebusite threshing floor.

1Krøn 9:16 p.m. By now, David looked up and saw the angel of Yahweh standing between earth and sky with drawn sword in his hand and held it out toward Jerusalem. When dropped David and the elders fell down on his face, clothed in sackcloth.

1Krøn 9:18 p.m. When the angel of the Lord commanded Gad to tell David that he should go up and erect a shrine to the Lord in Ornans Jebusite threshing floor.

Psalm 34:8 angel of the Lord encamp round about them that fear him, and he delivers them.

Psalm 35:5 Let them be as chaff before the wind, and the angel thrust them away!

Psalm 35:6 Let their way be dark and slippery, and the angel of the Lord pursuing them!

Isaiah 37:36 And the angel of the Lord went out and beat fifteen and eighty thousand men in the Assyrian camp, and when people arose in the morning, they saw them all lying there like dead bodies.

Case 1:11 And they answered the angel, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said: We have gone throughout the earth and seen that the earth is calm and quiet.

Case 1:12 Then the angel answered and said, Lord, Almighty God! How long will it last before you have mercy on Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, which you have been angry now for seventy years?

Case 3:5 Then I said: Put a clean cap on his head! And they put the clean cap on his head and had him other clothes while the angel of the Lord was there.

Case 3:6 The angel of the Lord testified to Joshua and said:

Zech. 12:8 On that day the Lord will protect the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and among those who stumble, should the day be like David, and David's house will be like God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

Matthew 1:20 While he now wondered at this, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, Son of David! fear not to take thy wife Mary to you! for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit;

Matthew 1:24 Now when Joseph was woken up from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took his wife to him.

Matt 2:13 But when they had departed, behold, the angel of the Lord reveals himself in a dream to Joseph, saying, Arise, take the child and its mother and fly into Egypt, and stay there until I tell thee! for Herod will seek her child to kill it.

Matt 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, the angel of the Lord reveals himself in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, and says:

Matthew 28:2 And behold, there came a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord came down from heaven and came and rolled the stone from and sat on it.

Luke 1:11 Then appeared an angel of the Lord appeared to him and stood on the right side of the altar of incense.

Luke 2:9
And behold, an angel of the Lord was to them, and glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were sore afraid.

Acts 5:19 But an angel of the Lord opened the night the prison doors and brought them out and said:

Acts 8:26 But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, saying: Arise and go toward the south, on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza! This road is deserted.

Acts 12:7 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood there, and a light shone in fangerummet, and he supported Peter on the side and woke him up and said, Make haste and get up! And the chains fell off his hands.

Acts 12:23 Immediately struck an angel of the Lord to him, because he did not give God the glory, and he was eaten of worms and gave up the host.