Heavenly blog!: No. 774: VL claims and others that I say that swinging and remarriage are the same! And people bite without checking the facts! It makes me excited!

lørdag 4. oktober 2014

No. 774: VL claims and others that I say that swinging and remarriage are the same! And people bite without checking the facts! It makes me excited!

No. 774:

VL claims and others that I say that swinging and remarriage are the same! And people bite without checking the facts! It makes me excited!

Levi Fragell now entered this debate, certainly unintentional. But allikvel, Levi Fragell is much better, more spiritually sober and have not come so far in apostasy Torp. But what this is really about, it's really only the Bible-believing Christians who understand when the man is commanded to be as devoted and faithful against his spouse, his wife. As Jesus faced the congregation. Am glad that Torp and Jesus is the himmelvid contrasts to. I've failed him many times. But he is as faithful and affectionate, although I have been unfaithful. Torp In other either a Christian or a role model. However, an adulterer who will not inherit the kingdom of God!
Photo of Ubaydullah Hussain was acquitted of all, although he has publicly supported the killings, beheadings and Isil. Should I be condemned for speaking out in God's Word that Torp living in sin, living in adultery and actively commit adultery today. His wife (s) is all untrue and based on the word of God must Torp be a whore buck, and the well is his Norwegian women tauter. It is a mishmash that God's word warns strongly against!

Torp claim today that I have changed on the blog, on the contrary, I write as I always have. All Torp is really ridiculous and nonsense, poor man.

Torp believes that his case is strong. His case is not really believers at all. Yesterday Ubaydullah Hussain acquitted of all, although he has publicly supported the killings, beheadings and Isil. Should I be condemned for speaking out in God's Word that Torp living in sin, living in adultery and actively commit adultery today. His wife (s) is all untrue and based on the word of God must Torp be a whore buck, and the well is his Norwegian women tauter. It is a mishmash that God's word warns strongly against!

I have had some exchange with Fam. Ingwersen is clarifying where we stand. Adding this out here so it may help and blessing!
Me first:
From: jk.chris@online.no
Two: the-ingw@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Jan-Aage Torp on Facebook
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 9:48:20 p.m. 0200
Those who defend Torp is even large re-married as Christians, many more times.

From: johnny Ingwersen [mailto: jo-ingw@hotmail.com]
Posted: 4th October 2014 8:07
To: Jan Kåre Christensen
Subject: RE: RE: Jan-Aage Torp on Facebook

Yes yes, I have seen and therefore also believe Torp has support for several of them, Nordvikneset to browse.
Fragell is the humanist and therefore he wants Torp and his wife all the best.

Can not soon pastors / evangelists / remarriage that has a roll to teach others just stop preaching the word of God? So easy ... years they do not speculate I in that it is money that drives them.

Torp comes ingenvei with law review .... you have a good card where they threaten you to pay money .......
I also have a card to Torp, he hung out me and my husband's full name, without even knowing who we are.
Besides, we have no public role.
Torp is hit, that's what he is .... and then he uses very ugly ways to defend themselves.
What he should report you for being the exciting ... you've given him a few home truths that are not consistent with God's word!

But people like him are added ... I know ... they stop at nothing ... they just want to show others and prove himself ...... All you have said is that Torp has no role as pastor because he is married ..... and it's true?
It is he who fool of himself .... Think also how <Torp hung out you and Denise and their children, with your full name in the summer.

It's not you that has made him something wrong, he has turned it. How do people who are not healthy many times .....

Thanks for your support Randi and Johnny.

Torp famille will not see him, his son hates him and has publicly gone out to meet him, because he and Levi Fragell realize Torp must almost be demon possessed?

He is even the main villain, but we have religious freedom and freedom of speech in Norway, so getting such false apostles Torp go free.

I asked him in the spotlight even his theology laddering now, when both he and his former wife Ann Christin are both married, what, who is innocent of the two of you when you're both married - again?

This he could not answer.

Torp will of course want the happiness of humanist Fragell who have successfully hijacked a lady who is 25 years younger than herself and the age of his children. This is an abomination in God's eyes, but in a humanist who, after all, serve Satan, grand!

Berit and Jan K

The starting point for this debate was that Levi Fragell wrote:

Levi Fragell
It is very cruel to a colleague harassed in this way for the same views on marriage and divorce. But is not such perceptions relatively common variants in the church and church? What for me is almost incomprehensible is that parts of the Christian people still invite Torp cooperation (as Sharon valley in summer) after he for years has violated decency limits on religious practice - for obvious damage and violation of vulnerable children, young people and the elderly. A practice he f. Items. reviewing the following manner: "I have driven demons out of people in Norway and abroad who have waged a battle over several hours or even several days, with the personified demons that dwells within them. Here are underway almost a "duel" in spirit, mind and body between God and Satan, angels and demons. My overwhelming experience is that the name of Jesus Christ creates shock waves in the demonic realms, and they try all expedients to stick to its "home" in a human body: rude, debate, hide and seek, fear, rage, misery - until they finally MUST let go. Fråding, barking, shaking, screaming is just human expression of the war being fought in this man. Following Jesus' example, I even commanded the demons to enter the animal near! (Poor animals, hehe ...) Read Mark 5: 1-20. "
2 • Wednesday. 6:14

The newspaper Our Country will still not take in my rebuttal, have been in contact with them, but going nowhere. Read for yourself and consider.
Me first:
From: Jan Kåre Christensen <jk.chris@online.no>
Date: Friday 3rd October 2014 11:00
To: John Morken <johannes.morken@vl.no>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Post about duck Torp

Hello and good morning John.
Okay you start your day with a lie, for it is there!

I was asked something, and half were misquoted and distorted.

Plus many accusations leveled against me, I got no question. And could clarify this. But Christians are always for himself and acts as besserwissere, do not understand why it should be so?

Here is an erroneous quote:
After I wrote a post I know the Spirit of God anointing. I know God urging me to it. It feels right.
(end of quote).

Here is a very important statement that I have not been given anything similar on:
In a post dated 2 March 2013 Christensen writes that remarriage and gay relationships are regarded as the same as group sex, swinging, zoophilia and pedophilia. He names the more people he claims are doing this.
(end of quote).

I do not make a big deal out of this, but your claims is unfortunately not true in my eyes.

Regards
Jan K Christensen
Hook Path 2 c
0672 Oslo
Tel: 22611610/99598070

From: John Morken [mailto: Johannes.Morken@vl.no]
Posted: 3rd October 2014 11:03
To: Jan Kåre
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Post about duck Torp

If you have any clarification, please send post about it, not long post about American preacher and Magnus Tanem - like you did.
JM

From: Jan Kåre Christensen <jk.chris@online.no>
Date: Friday, 3 October 2014 1:19 p.m.
To: John Morken <johannes.morken@vl.no>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Post about duck Torp

The newspaper VL had a case on me regarding January Aage Torp who prosecuted me and accuse me too much, which basically lies in his own mistakes and miscalculations. The word of God says is sin or offense!

Realize that you can not record anything, but here is something that is incorrect and misleading. Does not record everything, but only two things.
Here is an erroneous quote:
After I wrote a post I know the Spirit of God anointing. I know God urging me to it. It feels right. (end of quote)
This is not how I said it. I find that God's Spirit working in me, also to exhort and reprove. But please know one not on the way. Joy know one when believers live in daily repentance, purification and renewal. As the apostle John says:
2 Joh.b. 4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we received commandment from the Father.

In a post dated 2 March 2013 Christensen writes that remarriage and gay relationships are regarded as the same as group sex, swinging, zoophilia and pedophilia. He names the more people he claims are doing this.
(end of quote).
Here bearing couplings which are completely out of their proportions, and which is not documented at all. That I know people in the alla kinds of environments and can name them would think when one reads this?
Where is this from? I think that saying that Satan gives a "little finger" that one makes through permissible and accept remarried of believers. So will sooner or later have to open up all kinds of sins or offenses that God's word speaks. One sin begets the other type of sin. It's like a domino effect of it all. It was and is what I have pointed out, not the constraints of VL provides that it shall be!
Recommend others either to go on blogs and our website, where you will find one the correct and appropriate information and formulations that I / we are within its!

Jan K Christensen

From: John Morken [mailto: Johannes.Morken@vl.no]
Posted: 3rd October 2014 3:20 p.m.
To: Jan Kåre
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Post about duck Torp

Hello
Thank you for your email. Dete you enter here provides no basis for anything at all similar.
1 You claim you misquoted in the first point. But you claim that we write you know, "joy". That word is not in the quote in the interview with you, but this is the controversy with the claims you are an equal.
2 The reference and the quote from the blog. March 2013 You have not refuted anything, just assert that something is out of proportions. What it is, is unclear So claims that we argue that "you know". There have not we write. In your blog March 2, enter on the other hand: "When does group sex, swinging, zoophilia and pedophilia in among the believers? Remarriage and homosexual practices are now allowed, the next must be worse sins? "Then you write:" Illustrative image shows what group sex is that having sex with more than one person at the same time. "The only picture in your blog is by Jan Hanvold and a woman.
Two important things in the inflow votes thus not, and I can not object this pressure.

Good weekend

John Morken
Debate Editor
Our Country

Okay John, but the angle and the way it is understood, is totally different when people think that I believe such peripheral sins are the same as remarriage, okay, not surprised.

See here for example. that this is a collusion: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=704972119588775&id=100002279790534

NB! I'm used to such treatment of Christians! So I do not expect anything!

Regards
Jan K

From: John Morken [mailto: Johannes.Morken@vl.no]
Posted: 3rd October 2014 3:36 p.m.
To: Jan Kåre
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Post about duck Torp

Hello
I must interconnectedness me what you write. And what you write I can not use, of the reasons I have mentioned. That you show a picture of Hanvold active in group sex, you need to explain himself - not should on us feilkoplingar.
Good weekend

John Morken
Debate Editor

From: Jan Kåre Christensen <jk.chris@online.no>
Date: Friday, 3 October 2014 3:49 p.m.
To: John Morken <johannes.morken@vl.no>
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Post about duck Torp

Yes, Hanvold are like "little finger" but not as you portray it:

I think that saying that Satan gives a "little finger" that one makes through to allow and accept the remarriage of believers. So will sooner or later have to open up all kinds of sins or offenses that God's word speaks. One sin begets the other type of sin.

You fabricate a lie!

January

From: John Morken [mailto: Johannes.Morken@vl.no]
Posted: 3rd October 2014 3:56 p.m.
To: Jan Kåre Christensen
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Post about duck Torp

You have not proven that we are fabricating lies.
Therefore I set the bar with this.

Johan Morken
Debate Editor
Our Country

Hello John!

Norwegian can not I realize? Or have you not read the text?

I wrote that I took to censored image, and not there should be a gap so I let out Hanvold with his mistress!

Ille not be Norwegian, and read as it is!

Have a lovely lovely weekend!

Writes about you on the blog, this was bad work!
And reproduction in VL leads to misunderstanding! Okay to take with you!

Regards
Jan K

Here is what I think is wrong in the interview:

For John!

- But why write this over and over again in Torp and other Christian leaders?

- All other fails to write about it. For me as a small player, this is the only way to reach out. After I wrote a post I know the Spirit of God anointing. I know God urging me to it. It feels right.

Answer: a type one or more times on one thing, what does it matter?

- Do you get support for the posts you write?

- All that I know supports me fully and believes Torp is totally beyond.

- Is not it strange that you as a pastor then writes bad things about others even if you disagree?

- No, I think not. In the Bible would such as remarried stoned.

Answer: I did not say in the statement. I said after the law of Moses, they stoned but after Calvary, they shall be brought out of the church. But God is the same that sin shall be destroyed by the church!

READ
Difference

When Christensen is confronted with the fact that Jesus did not condemn a woman who had broken out of a marriage, blogger responds that the comparison is wrong.

- Here we are talking about ministers and government ministers. They are role models who are a liability to others.

Answer: The only thing that is well reproduced.

- Is there any limit to what you can say about other people in public without being affected by the law?

- Of course. But first of all I shall relate to God's word.

Answer: And I pointed out that this is a spiritually-related questions with biblical interpretation which we have faith and freedom of expression in Norway. What the world people do, it is an entirely different matter for us Christians.

- What do you hope to accomplish by writing these blog posts?

- That they will wake up and see how serious it is that divorced and re-married preachers are allowed to hold on to.

- Are you as hard against the other sins that are mentioned in the Bible?

- Of course. But there is a difference between living in sin and fall into sin. When people repent, God forgives. If he (Torp) just leave her as he lives now, God forgives.

+ The others I mentioned. That a picture of Hanvold that I had replaced a censored picture and I mention specifically what Hanvold sin is not swinging but he lives with a woman who is not his as he has been married before.

If this is more than good enough, then you will not, and I can not take any more!

Regards
Jan K Christensen

Final Comment:

This was a lot, but personally I see that there are Torp is "villain" here.
I've only used by my obvious belief. And utterance freedom we have in Norway and held up one thing only; God's word. And unlike Torp, so I live also in my theology. Torp theology has now turned so large cracks in his exposition of the innocent party is just ridiculous and pathetic. It is rotten and utterly unbiblical with the so-called innocent party. Who can decide who is the innocent party? As a rule, it is always this split down the middle who is the culprit, or so-called innocent party.

Now both Jan Aage Torp and his former wife both married at each edge. Have Torp asked about which of them is when the innocent and who is the guilty party. For after Torp theology - which of course is 100% unbiblical - then the innocent marry, while the guilty are left with black Per. At Torp imagine even this, and many others. Yes, yes. This I can not do anything about. Only warn and guide. And Torp says I've been harder, or do not see as many shades. That's right, I'm going after all the basis of a spiritual lubricant when I belonged to the Pentecostal movement and was influenced by the so-called Rasmus-sight where the innocent can remarry again came under the Reformation. But this is not biblical, it is only death that allows for a second marriage for a Christian, nothing else:

Rooms. 7 2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 Therefore she is called an adulteress if she, while her husband lives, marries another man; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so she is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

1 Cor. 7 10 The married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, that a wife should not separate herself from her husband; 11 but divorced him when she abide, being unmarried or be reconciled herself with her husband - and that a man should not put away his wife.

Luke 16 18 Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.

Related Links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/10/no-773-newspaper-our-country-refuses.html

http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/10/no-772-torp-care-no-longer-about-his.html

lørdag 4. oktober 2014

No. 774: VL claims and others that I say that swinging and remarriage are the same! And people bite without checking the facts! It makes me excited!

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