No: 680:
Not everyone who says Lord, Lord Jesus will be with him in his heavenly kingdom!
So today's Pentecostal Charismatic Christianity has been that everything is permitted , only one believes in Jesus and speaking in tongues is nothing but a false avvart of true evangelical Christianity . That everything has become so getting the shepherds and the leader who has steered this ship take primary responsibility. For me , today's Pentecostal Charismatic leaders and shepherds as wolves in sheep's clothing, one of them is Stephan Christiansen of Jesus Church here in Oslo. He is truly a wolf in sheep's clothing, do not see it as a probably even been seduced and belongs no longer Christ. Note that weigh down and gloomy with him especially around the eyes is the soul's mirror. He 's probably not filled with the Spirit of God but something else entirely !
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/02/nr-245-pentecostalcharismatic-movement.html
The sky had been felled place if all of today's Pentecostal Charismatics had been saved and come to Jesus and alla other saints in his heavenly kingdom ! One should not judge someone before time scripture says , yet so getting a make their considerations . One of them which I am convinced can not join there is Kenneth Hagin was anything but a true Christian if he called Jesus Lord.
Not everyone who says Lord, Lord Jesus will be with him in his heavenly kingdom !
Matt . 7 21 " Not everyone who says 'Lord , Lord ' will enter the kingdom of heaven , but he who does my Father in heaven . 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord , Lord , did we not prophesy in your name , and we have not driven out demons in Your name , and done many powerful deeds ? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, Ye never knew me. Depart from me , you who are doing lawlessness . "24" Therefore everyone who hears these words and does them , compared to a wise man who built his house upon a rock. 25 The rain came, the flood and the winds blew and beat , but the house did not fall, for it was built on a cliff. 26 But anyone who hears my words and doeth them not , is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came, the flood and the winds blew and beat against that house until it collapsed - and the fall was powerful. "
Notice what it says about those that Jesus did not want to acknowledge : " Depart from me , you who are doing lawlessness ."
This fits 100 % at the current Pentecostal Charismatics and large it all. They live in lawlessness and "love" to prophesy and hold on to what is supernatural just like the sorcerer Simeon .
To believe in signs, wonders and Spirit baptism , I think so too. But the same people and preachers who think like me, they do not believe the same as me when it comes to what the Lord requires . That is why they are also those that they had lived in lawlessness . It fits perfectly in today's Protestant Christianity there soon everything is permitted and are allowed ? Not least the Pentecostal Charismatic Christians.
The applicant regard for the spiritual and the supernatural, but will not pay the price and costs of living as a Christian . The apostle Paul said about such additional places:
2 Timothy 3:5 having a form of godliness , but denying the power - and they turn away from .
File 3:19 whose end is destruction , whose god is the belly , and whose glory is in their shame , those who desire earthly things .
Note that they are ambiguous as Christians. They condemn others, but does not fit their own lives. What use is it to point to others, but even living in sin ? It hurts worse.
It amazes me that Christians are so judgmental against certain sins , but ignore others. What could the reason be? One think that God is careful sins of others , but their own will and one was not.
A look at themselves as super and invincible . While in reality it is one that must repent and need to experience grace over again until it is too late.
Pats on the shoulder and kind words , afterwards so hate and dislike you. This is the truth about the PinseKaresmatiske Christianity. If a point doctrinal deviations and lawlessness among these , so hate , dislike and boycotting those you very quickly. Notice that now was Åge Åleskjær son interviewed and he said that OKS and Pentecostalism belong to the same Spirit power . And we know that OKS is from Satan , and then you have probably also Pentecostals have ended up in the ditch ? Of course !
Here is the interview with Pastor Thomas Åleskjær , excerpt: OKS and Pentecostals belong to the same flow. We want to stand shoulder to shoulder in the kingdom of God , and will continue to root for each other in every possible way as we have done for several years. We work with the Pentecostal churches , visiting Pentecostal churches , speaking in Pentecostal churches and receive visits from Pentecostal churches . ( end of quote ) .
Benny Hinn has also been Pentecostal , now Satan also be Pentecostal ? So bad it's become . It is rife with heretics , divorced , re- married , divorced and I do not know what. What are the limits here? They love and carry on with lawlessness . Unfortunately , today's Pentecostal Charismatics have become what Jesus said, emphasizing Åndsopllevelser , but ignores the most important word of God , to obey God's word to one and all !
Here some excerpts from Waiting by John Berglund where he writes about this, read and compare everything with the Word of God as the Bereans did.
Religious movement occult ROOTS
If a bridge is falling down, or a road collapsed so that it ends in a fatal plunge , it is important to warn of the danger.
Hundreds of thousands of people running in top speed to a sudden and unexpected abyss .
It's called religious movement .
The name of Jesus preached and enterprises, but Satan takes the credit .
These claims are strong, and at the same time true and documented . In a few articles in this series , we will make available the documentation. We are faced with one of Satan 's end-time deception and the fulfillment of a number of biblical prophecies.
Faith movement's charismatic revival wave, unifying the Christian world to a complete redefinition of the biblical gospel.
No , that is the love of Jesus in your heart , and understand what happens, not to shout a warning.
Taus , indecisive and lethargic indifference will only be applauded by the devil and his associates.
It began in the United States.
A combination of religion composed of gnostic and occult elements , can be followed throughout history and up to the present time :
From Paracelsus ( 1400e.kr . ) To Mesmer ( 1700e.kr . ) And on to PPQuimby ( 1800-1860 ) . The doctrine shared at this time to:
Unity Movement v \ Charles and Myrtle Fillmore .
Christian Science v \ Mary Baker Eddy (1821-1910)
New thougt v \ J. and A.Dresser and W.F. Evans
From the latter theological school ( No.3 ) , Charles Wesley Emerson and his Emerson College in Boston. In this "Christian" seminary , studied EWKenyon , which gave the teachings of Kenneth Erwin Hagin ( 1917 - ) .
Anyone can read these books movements , and even confirm that the theological hovedtesene , with little change, continued from the early Gnostic \ occult schools , the Hagins headquarters ; Rhema movement's College in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
At this institution , got Åge Ålekjær (Oslo Christian Center), Ulf Ekman ( Life's words) their education. There is also this theology taught in many tens of Faith movement's centers in Norway . It is this movement that dominates television ministry in the United States , Western Europe , Eastern Europe , Africa and Latin America.
All religious movement's central dogma is unbiblical and occult . Instead of revealing pagan philosophy with God's word, the Bible Scriptures twisted out of its meaning, in order to confirm the pagan philosophy .
The spirit that manifests itself in the movement faces is not the Spirit of God , but evil spirits.
The God they worship is not Jesus , but Satan himself .
Among religious movement learning points , which we will look at these articles are :
- The right to wealth
- Word of creativity
- The fourth dimension
- To fall under the power
- When people become gods
- Trichotomi doctrine ( a Hindu humanity )
- Earth men
- anointing
RIGHT TO RICHES
Central to the religious movement , the dogma that the born-again Christians have divine right to wealth and abundance. As Åge Åleskjær says:
" Everything belongs to us . God created benefits for their children. "
Åleskjær teachers writes: " God wants his children to have the best , wear the best clothes and drive the best cars . "
Another famous preacher in the religious movement writes: " When the Mafia can drive Lincoln Continental , why should not the royal children to do the same?
King's kids should drive the Rolls Royce ! "
Ecclesiastes Robert Liardon said : If you live in poverty, get angry and make sure that you are rich. Enjoy the abundance and let your critics endure it. "
In Jack Hart 's book on Christian finances, we read, " when a Christian has the right to prosperity and wealth, is it that Jesus was rich and prosperous. " The book's chapter 2 units ; Jesus Christ - Prince or poor boy? The author answers the question himself , saying that Jesus , materially speaking , was a contemporary richest . He was so rich that he must have his own accountant. How could he otherwise have been able to provide food for 5000 ?
Because Jesus followed all of God's promises of progress , he was always prosperous and successful. If such statements (which there are many in trosforkynnelsens literature ) comes of ignorance , it is very serious. It is not allowed to call themselves Christian minister without reading God's word. If the statements coming from people who know the Bible , it is equally serious , because this doctrine represents deliberate lie , to receive and spend money.
Kenneth Hagin type is: " God has a specific law on wealth, and when you come into contact with the law , so it works for you , whoever you are - believers or non-believers .
" Theology " described in these quotations , is unknown in the word of God .
However, it is a key element in the metaphysical schools of learning . The Occult Unity School of Christianity , teaching in this area exactly the same as the religious movement . Unity's5 founder Charles Fillmore, writes in his book " Prosperity " of the importance of utilizing the universe wealth -creating intellectual principles.
In the book we read:
" All things are controlled by spiritual laws . There is also a law that directs the flow of goods. Just as gravity, does this law for all . One must understand it, believe it and apply it as needed. Belief in God is completely immaterial. belief in his own faith in the law - is the secret.
Faith Movement preaches exactly the same. Belief in faith one is important. We read in the Kenneth Hagins books that "the law does no one faith in God ."
In the occult schools , as religious movement here copies , printed plainly that the force behind the law of the universe spirits .
We shall later articles documenting that religious movement preachers say that if a Christian believe that good will happen, this law will fulfill it. But if we think that evil is going to happen , the law will make it too? Would God send evil when we believe it ?
When devilry come if you expect or think it is not the source of Jesus Christ and his Spirit. This " law" is governed by occult powers and can do so because Jesus is not of faith object.
A FALSE DOCTRINE
The doctrine of the Christian right to wealth, is not Biblical . God promises to give us what we need, but it is not in this world the Christian should collect their taxes. God's word has a completely different message
The wealthy and rich Jesus is not mentioned in my Bible . He had " nothing he could rest his head on . " ( Matt.8.20 and Luk.9.58 )
One who came to Jesus was asked " sell everything you have and give to the poor" ( Mattl9 , 21) He also said : " It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter God rich . " (Mt 19,24 ) .
Paul that was more prosperous than he had to sewing tents on their missionary journeys to earn your daily bread , said , " we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. They that will be rich fall into temptation and trap and into many foolish and harmful desires. " ( l.Tim.6 , 8.9 ) . We have already mentioned some of these foolish desires of Faith movement's leaders clearly want to be rich and prosperous.
" Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth " ( Matt.6 , 19) , said the Savior. " You can not serve both God and mammon " ( Matt.6 , 24) Jacob has a very serious warning and appeal to all who seek riches. " And now, ye rich men , weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you !
Your riches rots and clothes are moth- eaten , gold and silver rusting away, and the rust will testify against you - " You've spent the time to accumulate wealth . " ( Jak.5 0.1 to 3 ) " You have lived in luxury and abundance on earth and made your hearts fat for a day of slaughter ." ( Jak.5 , 5 )
Faith Movement's wealth doctrine is unbiblical . Term prosperity or progress theology is correct expression of a doctrine which is a mockery of the world's poor and an insult to God.
A Christian who has had their sins forgiven and have the love of Jesus in your heart , not able to prioritize " the best food" , " best cars " and " the fattest bank account ."
It is simply impossible! Bible teaching must be test basis for all preaching and the spirit behind the proclamation tested with fruits . On this basis we call the Faith movement's unbiblical teachings wealth and Satan inspired.
Final Comment:
We must not throw the " baby out with the bath water " as the proverb states . But when Pentecost is melting more and more with the occult religious movement which constitutes the current Pentecostal Charismatic Christianity. Then it is no longer true Christianity , but wolves in sheep's clothing !
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http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/02/nr-238-why-i-believe-that-pastor-aage.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/09/nr-62-what-is-charismatic-movement.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/07/nr-15-i-wonder-one-thing-who-is-this-tv.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/03/no-667-paul-says-that-he-spoke-in.html
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No. 679: My view of predestination , or Calvinism!
No. 679:
My view of predestination , or Calvinism!
Predestination is the doctrine of predestination of God for the salvation of mankind brief:
I do not consider myself as a Calvinist , then I really think that Luther that it is only God who knows in the end who will be saved. The secret things belong unto scripture says . For me this is something of a secret, but the Father knows the only true God who accepts and who does not. We should only do one thing, preaching the gospel and by all water. So God will take care of this to others, who receives and who does not receive . In many ways, then hear this in the Lord's hidden treasure and we first want to get the answer to the home of God
5 Genesis 29 29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever , that we may do all the words of this law .
Magnus Persson from Malmo and United church believe as I have understood it in predestination , or Calvinism , and has been boycotted and kept out of several that he worked with before as far as I know. However, his teachings so wrong ? I do not know so well to it all , but God the Father knows exactly who should be saved and not saved, it is evident when he knows the end from the beginning. Image of Calvinist Magnus Persson from Malmo Sweden.
What Luther taught and anything:
The doctrine of God's predestination of the individual to salvation or damnation . Predestination starting point is the belief in God's omnipotence and omniscience , nothing happens without the will of God. Furthermore, predestination determined by the teaching that sinful man itself is lost , salvation is a miracle, that is because the believers are chosen to salvation according to God's eternal decision. The New Testament has no coherent learning about predestination , but many statements can be interpreted in favor of the (Rom 8.29 , 9.18 ; Eph 1.4 ; Jn 6,70 ) .
A theological teachings about predestination was first formulated by Augustine, who in the struggle against Pelagius ' synergism claimed that man can not do anything for their salvation , and that therefore God has chosen a certain number of salvation. Calvin represents predestination in its strictest form, but this rigorous learning is maintained not by the Reformed churches of our time. Also Luther advocated predestination , as he bonded with the tradition of Augustine . For Luther , it is important not to make this theme the subject of theological speculation , for whom it had with the hidden and not revealed God. The doctrine is not taken up in the Lutheran confessional writings .
What Calvin taught and stood for , taken from Wikipedia:
The Reformed Church is a Protestant denomination that has been discontinued by Ulrich Zwinglis and Jean Calvin's work in the Reformation in the 1500s , takes this as a disclosure of Calvin , they have approx . 75 million members worldwide .
superb grace
Calvinism emphasizes the complete destruction of man's ethical nature, set against God's sovereign grace in salvation . It teaches that man is totally unable to follow God or escape his condemnation , and that the only way to salvation is that God overrides their unwilling hearts so that they turned from rebellion to willing obedience. No one can come to me unless the Father draws him , Scripture says .
Everyone is after this vision fully mercy of God's grace. He could equitably condemning all people for their sins , but has chosen to show mercy to someone to bring glory to his name. A human salvation while another is lost , and this happens not because of will, faith or virtue , but because God has made a sovereign decision to show mercy. The person must act to believe and be saved, but this obedience of faith , according to Calvinism God's gift , not a choice made through free will .
Calvinists believe this demonstrates the reach of God's love when he saves those who can not or will follow him. It also believes that commemoration of this doctrine removes pride and self-righteousness . Sanctifying sought by Calvinists through continuous trust in God , which cleanses the believer's heart.
"Life is religion"
The Calvinist way of life is the result of a fundamental religious consciousness that is centered on God's sovereign grace. Calvinism presupposes that God's goodness and power has a free and unrestricted trade fields, and this leads to the conviction that God works in all aspects of life , both secular and sacred , public and private, and the spiritual and the physical.
As a result of this view believed that God's plan is present and evolving in any event. This leads to an absolute dependency on God, who not only associated with pious acts of prayer , but also with all other things in life .
Based on the Law of Moses commandment permitted images in Calvinist churches . Scriptures are the only permissible decorations.
Calvinism five points
Calvinist theology summarized often in the so-called five points , which is a contraction of the determinations made in the Council of Dort and published in response to five challenges from arminianerne . Calvin himself never used such a model , but the points are a useful tool to identify key elements that distinguish Calvinism from other Christians directions.
The five points are:
Total syndeforderv : As a result of the Fall , all people are slaves to sin . Man is thus by its very nature not ready to love God , but would rather serve their own interests and reject God. Man is unable to choose to follow God's commandments and be saved , because it no longer lies in its nature.
Unconditional election : God chose in eternity those he will save , without any conditions or reservations . Because the election occurred before the selected birth implies also a predestination .
Limited atonement : If Christ's death was the punishment for the sins committed by God decided to save purged. Christ's atoning sacrifice only took away the sins of the elect, and not all of humanity.
Irresistible grace : the grace of God given to those God has chosen and predestined to salvation , and overcome their resistance so that they come to a saving faith .
The perseverance of the saints : They really have been saved , you can not lose salvation . The Saints used by Calvinists they really are saved through God's election , not the instance . the sense found in the Catholic Church (see saint ) ( end of quote ) .
We do not know everything , not even Jesus knows everything , but only know the only true God , the Father. Yes, Father knows everything , and when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, so Jesus comes again .
Rooms . 11 25 For I would not, brethren , that ye should be ignorant of this mystery - lest ye think ye even wise - that blindness in part is happened to Israel , until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Mark 1:32 p.m. But of that day or hour no one knows , not even the angels in heaven , neither the Son , but the Father .
46:10 I like end from the beginning , and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying , My counsel shall stand, and what I want, I do,
I and all who are saved , are not really " saved" four times !
1 ) Before the foundation , so we were all chosen in Christ.
From my commentaries Ephesians 1 4 In Christ hath chosen us before the world was made, that we should be holy and flawless in His sight .
Excerpt from verse four : We read about a synonym verse to that verse in 1 Pet. 1 20 He was destined before this world was created , and for their sake he's been revealed now by the end of time . We study Jesus in his pre-existence as there are many things and aspects of him as a diver up . Here are some of my thoughts as I can fleeting mention that I want to capture both the further commentaries , blog and articles. Father decided and foresaw all this, so he had to have one that was able to undertake the Fall consequences and then restoration. Here Jesus was chosen by the Father before all, before the foundation was laid. This is very deep and difficult thoughts and aspects to familiarize themselves and could easily go wrong on the road .
We find several places in Scripture , both Old and New Testament that Jesus had a beginning as opposed to the Father who does not have a beginning . Micah 5 1 But you , Bethlehem Ephrathah , the least among the clans of Judah ! From you I let a man who will be ruler over Israel. He has its origins in ancient times , he is from ancient days.
Jesus originated from Aion which means forever or a very long time , but the Father is from Aion x to try to explain it in words translated from Hebrew to Norwegian . Father is from eternity eternity , the Son from eternity or ancient days + when he has a beginning unlike the Father who is without beginning . But there are also angels from ancient days and they are mentioned in scripture as Gods on several occasions. But here we come many times out wrong for several reasons. Las me briefly mention a few:
1 ) We have a false trinity doctrine that sits in the back of the head with all of us.
2 ) God's word in the original version is not written in lowercase only major .
3 ) The translations are not 100 % reliable every verse therefore MUST be checked against all synonym verse to get the most correct overall .
4 ) The details of God's word has often been overlooked to bring out the main truths . This again allows the main truths do not stand up . That's when the details are right that allows the main truths stand out .
5 ) We put pressure on certain words and phrases that would either become stressed and press in some other parts of verses and passages . Jesus pointed this out with a tittle of the law would not pass away . Then we need to understand it to mean that we overlook things , many times unproven and in good faith.
But why was Jesus chosen? As I write this I do not know it 100%. But we can mention a few things. Just want to bring that angels are also in Scripture named as Gods. Psalm 97 7 Confounded be all who worship images , that boast themselves of idols . All gods must bow to him. Was he born to be the Christ? This sounds more logical, but we do not know 100 % . This is not for me an essential learning but there are aspects here that I think that ia the false doctrine of the Trinity has destroyed and made a misunderstand a lot . Jesus was foreknown and we were chosen in him before the foundation . God the Father had a solution to our problems long before they occur. Such a great , wonderful and mighty God we have , Hallelujah !
2 ) On the cross were all saved when Jesus atoned all the sins of all people at all times .
1 Jn . b 2 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only but also for the whole world .
3 ) The day you and I received salvation , then it was not only an objective part of salvation, but a subjective ! Taking a contrary salvation in Christ Jesus, that becomes a child of God .
From my preliminary commentaries Gospel of John 1 12 But to all who received him , to them gave he power to become children of God - those who believe in His name.
Word is that he gave them the right to become children of God. That means that anyone who accepted Jesus gave authority to become children of God . Accepting Jesus is the same as believing in his name. The term " name " is that Jesus is anointed by God to be the Savior of the world . In the Old Testament the king , prophet and priest (and high priest ) anointed . Therefore we speak of Jesus' threefold task. He is king , prophet and high priest . He is king over all the universe. He is the prophet who preaches the word of God and he is the high priest who carries herself to God as a vicarious sacrifice. Jesus Christ took all the sins of the world on himself on the cross and took the punishment on himself and died as a sinner and a criminal and was buried . Death , however, could not hold on to him for his death , he died to sin , but the life he lives to God. Therefore he stood up for our justification. Scripture says, " Him who knew no sin God made to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God " 2 Corinthians 5:21 .
Therefore, whoever takes refuge in Jesus and go to him with their sins and failures and believe in him , just God and a child of God . He is born of God , that he is born again by God's Spirit.
13 They are born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will , but born of God .
At the new birth are the penitent sinner saving faith and a new heart and a new setting . It is a miracle by God's grace that happens in the individual's heart when God first word will show the sinner's true standing before the holy God and opposition to God ceases , and the gospel will make his merciful deed. ( end of quote ) .
4 ) Sluttfrelsen remain for all . The day Jesus comes in the clouds, then it will prove who is truly a child of God or not.
1 Pet. 1 9 when Receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of souls .
Predestination or take our own decisions ?
We take our own decisions , but God as omniscient , he knows everything ! Clearer and better than what I can not say. That there are passages that speak of Calvin's doctrine, indeed many. It says , among other things that those who were exposed (the same as predestined ) to eternal life , they came , and were saved .
Acts 1:48 p.m. when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the Lord, and himself believed as many as were appointed to eternal life.
But then it says elsewhere that we must choose .
Acts 1:46 p.m. Then Paul and Barnabas answered them and said plainly : It was necessary that the word of God was spoken first to you, but since I encounter it from you ( ie they chose it away ) , and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, we turn now to the Gentiles .
It is a paradox that speaks in two directions . But for me , it is very important that I hold out to the end , because I and you will be saved ! This is perhaps the most important passage for those who want to take part in sluttfrelsen and get an eternity together with God ! It applies to persevere to the end.
Matt 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Mark 13:13 Ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake : but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Related links: http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/08/nr-552-selecting-predetermined.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/09/nr-588-once-saved-always-saved.html
My view of predestination , or Calvinism!
Predestination is the doctrine of predestination of God for the salvation of mankind brief:
I do not consider myself as a Calvinist , then I really think that Luther that it is only God who knows in the end who will be saved. The secret things belong unto scripture says . For me this is something of a secret, but the Father knows the only true God who accepts and who does not. We should only do one thing, preaching the gospel and by all water. So God will take care of this to others, who receives and who does not receive . In many ways, then hear this in the Lord's hidden treasure and we first want to get the answer to the home of God
5 Genesis 29 29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever , that we may do all the words of this law .
Magnus Persson from Malmo and United church believe as I have understood it in predestination , or Calvinism , and has been boycotted and kept out of several that he worked with before as far as I know. However, his teachings so wrong ? I do not know so well to it all , but God the Father knows exactly who should be saved and not saved, it is evident when he knows the end from the beginning. Image of Calvinist Magnus Persson from Malmo Sweden.
What Luther taught and anything:
The doctrine of God's predestination of the individual to salvation or damnation . Predestination starting point is the belief in God's omnipotence and omniscience , nothing happens without the will of God. Furthermore, predestination determined by the teaching that sinful man itself is lost , salvation is a miracle, that is because the believers are chosen to salvation according to God's eternal decision. The New Testament has no coherent learning about predestination , but many statements can be interpreted in favor of the (Rom 8.29 , 9.18 ; Eph 1.4 ; Jn 6,70 ) .
A theological teachings about predestination was first formulated by Augustine, who in the struggle against Pelagius ' synergism claimed that man can not do anything for their salvation , and that therefore God has chosen a certain number of salvation. Calvin represents predestination in its strictest form, but this rigorous learning is maintained not by the Reformed churches of our time. Also Luther advocated predestination , as he bonded with the tradition of Augustine . For Luther , it is important not to make this theme the subject of theological speculation , for whom it had with the hidden and not revealed God. The doctrine is not taken up in the Lutheran confessional writings .
What Calvin taught and stood for , taken from Wikipedia:
The Reformed Church is a Protestant denomination that has been discontinued by Ulrich Zwinglis and Jean Calvin's work in the Reformation in the 1500s , takes this as a disclosure of Calvin , they have approx . 75 million members worldwide .
superb grace
Calvinism emphasizes the complete destruction of man's ethical nature, set against God's sovereign grace in salvation . It teaches that man is totally unable to follow God or escape his condemnation , and that the only way to salvation is that God overrides their unwilling hearts so that they turned from rebellion to willing obedience. No one can come to me unless the Father draws him , Scripture says .
Everyone is after this vision fully mercy of God's grace. He could equitably condemning all people for their sins , but has chosen to show mercy to someone to bring glory to his name. A human salvation while another is lost , and this happens not because of will, faith or virtue , but because God has made a sovereign decision to show mercy. The person must act to believe and be saved, but this obedience of faith , according to Calvinism God's gift , not a choice made through free will .
Calvinists believe this demonstrates the reach of God's love when he saves those who can not or will follow him. It also believes that commemoration of this doctrine removes pride and self-righteousness . Sanctifying sought by Calvinists through continuous trust in God , which cleanses the believer's heart.
"Life is religion"
The Calvinist way of life is the result of a fundamental religious consciousness that is centered on God's sovereign grace. Calvinism presupposes that God's goodness and power has a free and unrestricted trade fields, and this leads to the conviction that God works in all aspects of life , both secular and sacred , public and private, and the spiritual and the physical.
As a result of this view believed that God's plan is present and evolving in any event. This leads to an absolute dependency on God, who not only associated with pious acts of prayer , but also with all other things in life .
Based on the Law of Moses commandment permitted images in Calvinist churches . Scriptures are the only permissible decorations.
Calvinism five points
Calvinist theology summarized often in the so-called five points , which is a contraction of the determinations made in the Council of Dort and published in response to five challenges from arminianerne . Calvin himself never used such a model , but the points are a useful tool to identify key elements that distinguish Calvinism from other Christians directions.
The five points are:
Total syndeforderv : As a result of the Fall , all people are slaves to sin . Man is thus by its very nature not ready to love God , but would rather serve their own interests and reject God. Man is unable to choose to follow God's commandments and be saved , because it no longer lies in its nature.
Unconditional election : God chose in eternity those he will save , without any conditions or reservations . Because the election occurred before the selected birth implies also a predestination .
Limited atonement : If Christ's death was the punishment for the sins committed by God decided to save purged. Christ's atoning sacrifice only took away the sins of the elect, and not all of humanity.
Irresistible grace : the grace of God given to those God has chosen and predestined to salvation , and overcome their resistance so that they come to a saving faith .
The perseverance of the saints : They really have been saved , you can not lose salvation . The Saints used by Calvinists they really are saved through God's election , not the instance . the sense found in the Catholic Church (see saint ) ( end of quote ) .
We do not know everything , not even Jesus knows everything , but only know the only true God , the Father. Yes, Father knows everything , and when the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, so Jesus comes again .
Rooms . 11 25 For I would not, brethren , that ye should be ignorant of this mystery - lest ye think ye even wise - that blindness in part is happened to Israel , until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Mark 1:32 p.m. But of that day or hour no one knows , not even the angels in heaven , neither the Son , but the Father .
46:10 I like end from the beginning , and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying , My counsel shall stand, and what I want, I do,
I and all who are saved , are not really " saved" four times !
1 ) Before the foundation , so we were all chosen in Christ.
From my commentaries Ephesians 1 4 In Christ hath chosen us before the world was made, that we should be holy and flawless in His sight .
Excerpt from verse four : We read about a synonym verse to that verse in 1 Pet. 1 20 He was destined before this world was created , and for their sake he's been revealed now by the end of time . We study Jesus in his pre-existence as there are many things and aspects of him as a diver up . Here are some of my thoughts as I can fleeting mention that I want to capture both the further commentaries , blog and articles. Father decided and foresaw all this, so he had to have one that was able to undertake the Fall consequences and then restoration. Here Jesus was chosen by the Father before all, before the foundation was laid. This is very deep and difficult thoughts and aspects to familiarize themselves and could easily go wrong on the road .
We find several places in Scripture , both Old and New Testament that Jesus had a beginning as opposed to the Father who does not have a beginning . Micah 5 1 But you , Bethlehem Ephrathah , the least among the clans of Judah ! From you I let a man who will be ruler over Israel. He has its origins in ancient times , he is from ancient days.
Jesus originated from Aion which means forever or a very long time , but the Father is from Aion x to try to explain it in words translated from Hebrew to Norwegian . Father is from eternity eternity , the Son from eternity or ancient days + when he has a beginning unlike the Father who is without beginning . But there are also angels from ancient days and they are mentioned in scripture as Gods on several occasions. But here we come many times out wrong for several reasons. Las me briefly mention a few:
1 ) We have a false trinity doctrine that sits in the back of the head with all of us.
2 ) God's word in the original version is not written in lowercase only major .
3 ) The translations are not 100 % reliable every verse therefore MUST be checked against all synonym verse to get the most correct overall .
4 ) The details of God's word has often been overlooked to bring out the main truths . This again allows the main truths do not stand up . That's when the details are right that allows the main truths stand out .
5 ) We put pressure on certain words and phrases that would either become stressed and press in some other parts of verses and passages . Jesus pointed this out with a tittle of the law would not pass away . Then we need to understand it to mean that we overlook things , many times unproven and in good faith.
But why was Jesus chosen? As I write this I do not know it 100%. But we can mention a few things. Just want to bring that angels are also in Scripture named as Gods. Psalm 97 7 Confounded be all who worship images , that boast themselves of idols . All gods must bow to him. Was he born to be the Christ? This sounds more logical, but we do not know 100 % . This is not for me an essential learning but there are aspects here that I think that ia the false doctrine of the Trinity has destroyed and made a misunderstand a lot . Jesus was foreknown and we were chosen in him before the foundation . God the Father had a solution to our problems long before they occur. Such a great , wonderful and mighty God we have , Hallelujah !
2 ) On the cross were all saved when Jesus atoned all the sins of all people at all times .
1 Jn . b 2 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only but also for the whole world .
3 ) The day you and I received salvation , then it was not only an objective part of salvation, but a subjective ! Taking a contrary salvation in Christ Jesus, that becomes a child of God .
From my preliminary commentaries Gospel of John 1 12 But to all who received him , to them gave he power to become children of God - those who believe in His name.
Word is that he gave them the right to become children of God. That means that anyone who accepted Jesus gave authority to become children of God . Accepting Jesus is the same as believing in his name. The term " name " is that Jesus is anointed by God to be the Savior of the world . In the Old Testament the king , prophet and priest (and high priest ) anointed . Therefore we speak of Jesus' threefold task. He is king , prophet and high priest . He is king over all the universe. He is the prophet who preaches the word of God and he is the high priest who carries herself to God as a vicarious sacrifice. Jesus Christ took all the sins of the world on himself on the cross and took the punishment on himself and died as a sinner and a criminal and was buried . Death , however, could not hold on to him for his death , he died to sin , but the life he lives to God. Therefore he stood up for our justification. Scripture says, " Him who knew no sin God made to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God " 2 Corinthians 5:21 .
Therefore, whoever takes refuge in Jesus and go to him with their sins and failures and believe in him , just God and a child of God . He is born of God , that he is born again by God's Spirit.
13 They are born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will , but born of God .
At the new birth are the penitent sinner saving faith and a new heart and a new setting . It is a miracle by God's grace that happens in the individual's heart when God first word will show the sinner's true standing before the holy God and opposition to God ceases , and the gospel will make his merciful deed. ( end of quote ) .
4 ) Sluttfrelsen remain for all . The day Jesus comes in the clouds, then it will prove who is truly a child of God or not.
1 Pet. 1 9 when Receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of souls .
Predestination or take our own decisions ?
We take our own decisions , but God as omniscient , he knows everything ! Clearer and better than what I can not say. That there are passages that speak of Calvin's doctrine, indeed many. It says , among other things that those who were exposed (the same as predestined ) to eternal life , they came , and were saved .
Acts 1:48 p.m. when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the Lord, and himself believed as many as were appointed to eternal life.
But then it says elsewhere that we must choose .
Acts 1:46 p.m. Then Paul and Barnabas answered them and said plainly : It was necessary that the word of God was spoken first to you, but since I encounter it from you ( ie they chose it away ) , and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, we turn now to the Gentiles .
It is a paradox that speaks in two directions . But for me , it is very important that I hold out to the end , because I and you will be saved ! This is perhaps the most important passage for those who want to take part in sluttfrelsen and get an eternity together with God ! It applies to persevere to the end.
Matt 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
Mark 13:13 Ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake : but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Related links: http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/08/nr-552-selecting-predetermined.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/09/nr-588-once-saved-always-saved.html
tirsdag 4. mars 2014
No. 678: Notice the end of their lives - how we die testify our lives indirectly scripture says!
No. 678:
Notice the end of their lives - how we die testify our lives indirectly scripture says!
Begun is not complete said. It 's really true . Have seen many zealous and wholehearted Christians for some time, so dabber it off. And those who stood before the Lord and the Word of God before , today is the liberal who get . Notice the end of their conversation , the scripture says . Unfortunately, many fail the Lord in the way that one does not develop and grow as a Christian . Other by becoming captures of heresy , but the vast majority by the hills out and no longer dare and will stand up for the truth .
Photo of Toralf Gilbrandt standing on God's word almost to the end of his life . The last years of his life was a great tragedy which he also vouched for the false prophets Ulf Ekman , Aril Edvardsen and others. Among other he said of Ulf Ekman that have was Scandinavia's best Bible teachers . It is simply false , Ulf Ekman is and remains to be a cheat , liar and everything else a great Bible honors . Sadly Gilbrant was an important bridge between Pentecostalism and religious movement , and went public good for the Word of Life - Pastor Ulf Ekman's book " Doctrines " in the late 90s. No wonder he was in failing health at the end of his life that others apostate Pentecostal preachers have.
What the prophet Joel Barsjø said :
Barsjø participating in Smyrna Oslo in the early 1990s taught this to die and end . Did people an easy exit was a sign that they were prepared for heaven. May they go through suffering , illness , and more. Then there was the Lord's way of empowering them. Think there 's a lot here .
From my Bible Hebrews 13 Comments 7 Do not forget your leaders , those who spoke the word of God to you . Think back to how they lived and died , and take the example of their faith !
This is written to the church in Jerusalem who had had a lot of really great spiritual leaders . Some were also died or were no longer present in Jerusalem. Take lessons from them and live accordingly.
17 Obey your leaders and abide by the them! For those keeping watch over your souls , and shall immediately give an account . Make sure they can do it with joy, without sighing . Otherwise it will not be beneficial for you.
God has put pastors in the church of God . We should show them respect and they deserved to be good role models and examples. They will one day present accounting for our lives when we will receive what we spent our lives as saved . 2 Cor. 5 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ , that each one may receive what he has done in his life in the body , whether good or evil . ( end of quote ) .
The "old" Christians believed that God testifying of how we went across the river . The same as Barsjø said . Therefore, we must notice about Christians endure to the end of his life . It does not help to start delightful and end up being the one that failed and failing the test and test.
Why fail so many believers the Lord? For several reasons as mentioned . But when God makes things happy things in their own way according Barsjø and what many learned and thought before. When they get a hard output of life where they are small in themselves and see their own addictions and shortcomings .
Final Comment:
What I want to say with this is that God treats us, and it must sometimes something that does not quite match our image of God, that God is just good . But he's not , he treats us so that we will be fit and worthy of His Kingdom. Therefore, we must learn to accept both chastening and admonition . This is part of our spiritual upbringing and that we are legitimate children of God. And we have " deprived " ourselves , and we are God's children. Then God many times do end our lives difficult so we will be found worthy of the world to come . This makes the God of love , welcomed us , as he is and remains good !
From my commentaries Hebrews 12 5 Have you forgotten the electrifying words that speak to you as to sons : My son , despise not the chastening of the Lord , do not lose heart when he rebukes you.
The fact that Paul did so strongly contended with them was painful yet necessary. To hear one go you are actually part of it to be chastised and chastened by the Lord. That God also uses people to treat one makes many times the process more humiliating , but it is necessary to reprimand too!
6 For the Lord disciplines those he loves, and chastises every son he receiveth.
To get the refs are proof that you are a true born child of God. I as a father raising my own children , not the neighbor . So it is with God , he just raise their own children.
7 That you must suffer, it serves to train you, God is treating you as sons . For what son is not disciplined by his father ?
One day all the pain will be a thing of the past. Now in the meantime God raise us for future glory . It is quite natural that there is a process in pain . All life that grows also painful elements in it . Had it been dead had never known to change and pain .
8 If you do not receive discipline like any other , you are not sons but bastards .
Here is Paul built on what is natural for us too . As a sign that one is a real child hears also teaching, reproof and instruction with , of course, on the spiritual plane .
9 We have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Do not we have much more reason to bow down before him who is the Father of spirits , so we can win life ?
Our Father in heaven is our common Father of spirits . He treats us both equally and induelle . Equally , in that no one has tinned with him because of external things , reputation and rank in human and eyes. Induelle because each treats him as the best and expedient for the individual.
10 Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best . But he does it for our good , that we may share in his holiness.
God in heaven is a responsible, reliable and loving Father . He is the very best both Father and Mother . Nothing of what he does can someone do better and after him even better. Psalm 103 13 As a father has compassion on his children , so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him. 14 For he knows how we are made , he remembereth that we are dust .
11 All chastening seems at the moment to be more grief than joy. However, since it provides peace of righteousness and of those who have been trained by it.
Here is what Paul repeats itself. But the path of least resistance is for us humans but it is very often not God's way. When Israel went out of Egypt , they went through the most perilous road , and the hardest . But it was the way of God and where God could do great work and show who he was.
Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/09/nr-60-david-wilkerson-died-tragically.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/06/nr-325-man-who-died-as-ananias-and.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/12/nr-152-dead-david-wilkerson-before-time.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/11/nr-398-disaster-bible-teacher-and.html
Notice the end of their lives - how we die testify our lives indirectly scripture says!
Begun is not complete said. It 's really true . Have seen many zealous and wholehearted Christians for some time, so dabber it off. And those who stood before the Lord and the Word of God before , today is the liberal who get . Notice the end of their conversation , the scripture says . Unfortunately, many fail the Lord in the way that one does not develop and grow as a Christian . Other by becoming captures of heresy , but the vast majority by the hills out and no longer dare and will stand up for the truth .
Photo of Toralf Gilbrandt standing on God's word almost to the end of his life . The last years of his life was a great tragedy which he also vouched for the false prophets Ulf Ekman , Aril Edvardsen and others. Among other he said of Ulf Ekman that have was Scandinavia's best Bible teachers . It is simply false , Ulf Ekman is and remains to be a cheat , liar and everything else a great Bible honors . Sadly Gilbrant was an important bridge between Pentecostalism and religious movement , and went public good for the Word of Life - Pastor Ulf Ekman's book " Doctrines " in the late 90s. No wonder he was in failing health at the end of his life that others apostate Pentecostal preachers have.
What the prophet Joel Barsjø said :
Barsjø participating in Smyrna Oslo in the early 1990s taught this to die and end . Did people an easy exit was a sign that they were prepared for heaven. May they go through suffering , illness , and more. Then there was the Lord's way of empowering them. Think there 's a lot here .
From my Bible Hebrews 13 Comments 7 Do not forget your leaders , those who spoke the word of God to you . Think back to how they lived and died , and take the example of their faith !
This is written to the church in Jerusalem who had had a lot of really great spiritual leaders . Some were also died or were no longer present in Jerusalem. Take lessons from them and live accordingly.
17 Obey your leaders and abide by the them! For those keeping watch over your souls , and shall immediately give an account . Make sure they can do it with joy, without sighing . Otherwise it will not be beneficial for you.
God has put pastors in the church of God . We should show them respect and they deserved to be good role models and examples. They will one day present accounting for our lives when we will receive what we spent our lives as saved . 2 Cor. 5 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ , that each one may receive what he has done in his life in the body , whether good or evil . ( end of quote ) .
The "old" Christians believed that God testifying of how we went across the river . The same as Barsjø said . Therefore, we must notice about Christians endure to the end of his life . It does not help to start delightful and end up being the one that failed and failing the test and test.
Why fail so many believers the Lord? For several reasons as mentioned . But when God makes things happy things in their own way according Barsjø and what many learned and thought before. When they get a hard output of life where they are small in themselves and see their own addictions and shortcomings .
Final Comment:
What I want to say with this is that God treats us, and it must sometimes something that does not quite match our image of God, that God is just good . But he's not , he treats us so that we will be fit and worthy of His Kingdom. Therefore, we must learn to accept both chastening and admonition . This is part of our spiritual upbringing and that we are legitimate children of God. And we have " deprived " ourselves , and we are God's children. Then God many times do end our lives difficult so we will be found worthy of the world to come . This makes the God of love , welcomed us , as he is and remains good !
From my commentaries Hebrews 12 5 Have you forgotten the electrifying words that speak to you as to sons : My son , despise not the chastening of the Lord , do not lose heart when he rebukes you.
The fact that Paul did so strongly contended with them was painful yet necessary. To hear one go you are actually part of it to be chastised and chastened by the Lord. That God also uses people to treat one makes many times the process more humiliating , but it is necessary to reprimand too!
6 For the Lord disciplines those he loves, and chastises every son he receiveth.
To get the refs are proof that you are a true born child of God. I as a father raising my own children , not the neighbor . So it is with God , he just raise their own children.
7 That you must suffer, it serves to train you, God is treating you as sons . For what son is not disciplined by his father ?
One day all the pain will be a thing of the past. Now in the meantime God raise us for future glory . It is quite natural that there is a process in pain . All life that grows also painful elements in it . Had it been dead had never known to change and pain .
8 If you do not receive discipline like any other , you are not sons but bastards .
Here is Paul built on what is natural for us too . As a sign that one is a real child hears also teaching, reproof and instruction with , of course, on the spiritual plane .
9 We have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Do not we have much more reason to bow down before him who is the Father of spirits , so we can win life ?
Our Father in heaven is our common Father of spirits . He treats us both equally and induelle . Equally , in that no one has tinned with him because of external things , reputation and rank in human and eyes. Induelle because each treats him as the best and expedient for the individual.
10 Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best . But he does it for our good , that we may share in his holiness.
God in heaven is a responsible, reliable and loving Father . He is the very best both Father and Mother . Nothing of what he does can someone do better and after him even better. Psalm 103 13 As a father has compassion on his children , so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him. 14 For he knows how we are made , he remembereth that we are dust .
11 All chastening seems at the moment to be more grief than joy. However, since it provides peace of righteousness and of those who have been trained by it.
Here is what Paul repeats itself. But the path of least resistance is for us humans but it is very often not God's way. When Israel went out of Egypt , they went through the most perilous road , and the hardest . But it was the way of God and where God could do great work and show who he was.
Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/09/nr-60-david-wilkerson-died-tragically.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/06/nr-325-man-who-died-as-ananias-and.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/12/nr-152-dead-david-wilkerson-before-time.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/11/nr-398-disaster-bible-teacher-and.html
mandag 3. mars 2014
No. 677: Paul says that he spoke in tongues more than anyone else, but this is biblically correct?
No. 677:
Paul says that he spoke in tongues more than anyone else, but this is biblically correct?
Glossolalia in the church context and beyond :
The Spirit came upon the disciples at Pentecost and the miracle that happened was that they could speak languages they had not learned but that others understood and that was a really language. All speech among other people with the intention that it should convey a message that will be understood and believed! It is always God's unchanging purpose !
Picture of my wife Berit Nyland Christensen :
Mistranslated about tongues , in other contexts , there is a great deal mistranslated as meaning gets lost in the word of God will tell us :
( As Christians, we are in many ways, both deceived and manipulated into believing that it is unbiblical to question the things in the Bible, we often use the word as in Genesis 1 : Has God really said. So fear should devour everything raw without even thinking . it is then neither right nor reasonable that one should not be allowed to ask questions. disciples asked Jesus about much and many things he taught them . Were not we in the 20th century allowed to ask also ?)
About Paul says that he spoke in tongues more than anyone else. Seems basically quite boastful and inflated.
Paul could invoke highly educated and did it well, but with a purpose towards contemporary intellectuals caught in churches that would exalt himself , and when Paul came on, thought if it was praised as needed at the human plane , he had over them to show. He had been right , it was a fact that confirms the writing of Paul that he had any education in Jewish religious education that existed at the time, and he had his lessons from Gemalius ' feet etc. But he also says that not many wise was called , but poor and illiterate people had God taken out to make the wise to shame. For he that is wise in the eyes of God , is the one who submits to God's will and truth from him in Jesus Christ.
The more I study God's Word , I find that today's Bible translation is very questionable in many cases . Reading the Bible blindly can actually be quite confusing and at worst lead you further away from the Christ than Christ. Do not think it is so intended .
Thus it is in the Norwegian Bible translation that is directly misleading and wrong :
1 Cor. 14 18 I thank God , I speak with tongues than you all ;
Arne Jordly translation is very good and correct :http://gudsogkristikirke.com/engelsk/engelsk_index.html
1 Cor. 14 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you !
The Norwegian Bible translation is incorrect , with a great deal wrong translations, sometimes misleading and translated so that one feels confused and not lit when reading . You read the Bible to be enlightened or what ? But when words and phrases are then mistranslated the word of God are mysterious rather that it should inform us of the truth and provide insight into the apostles' life and teachings apply in today's Christian . This is done for reasons that I do not always know, but it's been wrong . How I noticed this? I read it out of context and using the gift of tongues extremely much are usually the ones most deceived within its occult Pentecostal Charismatic movement, which unfortunately many become.
This is from the original text : I thank God than all of you more with tongues speaking .
Norwegian : Thank God I have more than you speak different languages.
Why ? That he with different languages could reach different people of course. Then , this has a meaning and context and reason. We will not stand to recite the words mass corrects the font too, ergo it must be a reasonable opinion. Standing babbling blankly in the church are completely silly , it will lead to nothing , the other hand in his closet will be allowed to speak for themselves and in prayer to God and both pray and worship in tongues .
In the church context, however, that foreign tongues must be interpreted , unless this has no value and we stand there like a question mark .
Singing and speaking in tongues without interpretation is spiritually worthless in a church collection . As we see today Pentecostal Charismatic Christians acting and doing the chanting in tongues testify that they are totally out running in the spiritual realm.
1 Cor. 14 19 But in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Final Comment:
Tongues are of great importance, but like all good things they used right and in accordance with scripture.
Today's Pentecostal Charismatic Christians are unfortunately no ways of the great variety and large it all.
But using a tongues for their own edification . Or when it arrives in the church that it is interpreted , and something happened at Pentecost where they spoke in tongues was understood !
We must learn the languages that we are going to communicate with each other , but in some cases knead the supernatural turn into as at Pentecost . And saute we see PinseKaresmatiske congregations that when someone either sings or speaks burdens without subsequent is totally unbiblical . Whoever speaks must weigh either let others interpret it or seek to interpret itself. Is there no one who can or will decode the message , he time and speak in tongues only in secret .
1 Cor. 14 12 So also you, when ye seek after spiritual gifts , seek to have them in ample measure to the church's edification . 13 Therefore , he who speaks in tongue, let him ask that he must be able to decipher it! 28 But there is no present interpreter, let him keep silence in the church and speak to himself and to God.
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/12/nr-419-old-testament-and-new-testament.html http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/10/nr-113-spiritual-gifts-are-gods-gifts.html
Paul says that he spoke in tongues more than anyone else, but this is biblically correct?
Glossolalia in the church context and beyond :
The Spirit came upon the disciples at Pentecost and the miracle that happened was that they could speak languages they had not learned but that others understood and that was a really language. All speech among other people with the intention that it should convey a message that will be understood and believed! It is always God's unchanging purpose !
Picture of my wife Berit Nyland Christensen :
Mistranslated about tongues , in other contexts , there is a great deal mistranslated as meaning gets lost in the word of God will tell us :
( As Christians, we are in many ways, both deceived and manipulated into believing that it is unbiblical to question the things in the Bible, we often use the word as in Genesis 1 : Has God really said. So fear should devour everything raw without even thinking . it is then neither right nor reasonable that one should not be allowed to ask questions. disciples asked Jesus about much and many things he taught them . Were not we in the 20th century allowed to ask also ?)
About Paul says that he spoke in tongues more than anyone else. Seems basically quite boastful and inflated.
Paul could invoke highly educated and did it well, but with a purpose towards contemporary intellectuals caught in churches that would exalt himself , and when Paul came on, thought if it was praised as needed at the human plane , he had over them to show. He had been right , it was a fact that confirms the writing of Paul that he had any education in Jewish religious education that existed at the time, and he had his lessons from Gemalius ' feet etc. But he also says that not many wise was called , but poor and illiterate people had God taken out to make the wise to shame. For he that is wise in the eyes of God , is the one who submits to God's will and truth from him in Jesus Christ.
The more I study God's Word , I find that today's Bible translation is very questionable in many cases . Reading the Bible blindly can actually be quite confusing and at worst lead you further away from the Christ than Christ. Do not think it is so intended .
Thus it is in the Norwegian Bible translation that is directly misleading and wrong :
1 Cor. 14 18 I thank God , I speak with tongues than you all ;
Arne Jordly translation is very good and correct :http://gudsogkristikirke.com/engelsk/engelsk_index.html
1 Cor. 14 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you !
The Norwegian Bible translation is incorrect , with a great deal wrong translations, sometimes misleading and translated so that one feels confused and not lit when reading . You read the Bible to be enlightened or what ? But when words and phrases are then mistranslated the word of God are mysterious rather that it should inform us of the truth and provide insight into the apostles' life and teachings apply in today's Christian . This is done for reasons that I do not always know, but it's been wrong . How I noticed this? I read it out of context and using the gift of tongues extremely much are usually the ones most deceived within its occult Pentecostal Charismatic movement, which unfortunately many become.
This is from the original text : I thank God than all of you more with tongues speaking .
Norwegian : Thank God I have more than you speak different languages.
Why ? That he with different languages could reach different people of course. Then , this has a meaning and context and reason. We will not stand to recite the words mass corrects the font too, ergo it must be a reasonable opinion. Standing babbling blankly in the church are completely silly , it will lead to nothing , the other hand in his closet will be allowed to speak for themselves and in prayer to God and both pray and worship in tongues .
In the church context, however, that foreign tongues must be interpreted , unless this has no value and we stand there like a question mark .
Singing and speaking in tongues without interpretation is spiritually worthless in a church collection . As we see today Pentecostal Charismatic Christians acting and doing the chanting in tongues testify that they are totally out running in the spiritual realm.
1 Cor. 14 19 But in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Final Comment:
Tongues are of great importance, but like all good things they used right and in accordance with scripture.
Today's Pentecostal Charismatic Christians are unfortunately no ways of the great variety and large it all.
But using a tongues for their own edification . Or when it arrives in the church that it is interpreted , and something happened at Pentecost where they spoke in tongues was understood !
We must learn the languages that we are going to communicate with each other , but in some cases knead the supernatural turn into as at Pentecost . And saute we see PinseKaresmatiske congregations that when someone either sings or speaks burdens without subsequent is totally unbiblical . Whoever speaks must weigh either let others interpret it or seek to interpret itself. Is there no one who can or will decode the message , he time and speak in tongues only in secret .
1 Cor. 14 12 So also you, when ye seek after spiritual gifts , seek to have them in ample measure to the church's edification . 13 Therefore , he who speaks in tongue, let him ask that he must be able to decipher it! 28 But there is no present interpreter, let him keep silence in the church and speak to himself and to God.
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/12/nr-419-old-testament-and-new-testament.html http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/10/nr-113-spiritual-gifts-are-gods-gifts.html
fredag 28. februar 2014
No. 676: Pastor David Yonggi Cho has been exposed as a crook , thief and manipulator . When the supreme leader 's that have to be like sheep shepherd and leader in a greater or less degree!?
No. 676:
Pastor David Yonggi Cho has been exposed as a crook , thief and manipulator . When the supreme leader 's that have to be like sheep shepherd and leader in a greater or less degree!?
The first invited Cho Norway is the now deceased false prophet Aril Edvardsen . It is so sad after this revelation is that those who have allowed themselves willingly deceive and mislead is not helped by this disclosure. It's just an excuse and everything else that there is nothing wrong either with them or Cho . The old man will always let themselves be deceived and be misled. When Aril Edvardsen died , he was Executive Board Member of Church Growth International and chairman Dr. David Yonggi Cho . These two false prophets were good friends and had the same spirit of apostasy and preaching. When he was in Farsund his name was Paul Yonggi Cho, but changed his name to David Yonggi Cho . The man is crazy sure , too, that's why he served these lies both before and after he was exposed , imagine believing that he was tricked by his son who was a crook. He " proud " he . Any sensible person would never rely on the family black sheep as they call him now , right? It serves the lies on a conveyor belt , there are so many gullible and deceived Christians of this "can" they . The Apostle Peter says they are trained for this.
Photo of the false prophet Aril Edvardsen who invited Cho first to Norway , which has been as a catalyst for all this false and seductive we see among today's Pentecostal Charismatic Christians.
It is inconceivable now that various Pentecostal Charismatics taken Cho in defense .
It is said that Cho was cheated etc. But this is really the second rear light . He was not at all wise , he is a cheat , crook and thief. His son was the same cloth . Signs for the fourth time and many extra- marital affairs and other Crimea. One does not get fooled by such a person even if it is your own son , how stupid and naive can one be? Obviously this is a smokescreen for their own deception and lies.
Anyone who defends Cho did not realize that they are defending a crook and a false prophet.
Cho has taught and preached unbiblical in all the years he has held on . But his glory theology or progress theology , false revelation , false prophecies, visualization , dreams and I do not know what. And this he has hidden behind his request and have a great church , but all this is and remains a mega deception and a mega seduction.
Aril Edvardsen who invited Cho first to Norway was also a mega liar and crook.
I've been on four summer events in Farsund . From 1982 to 1985. through the four years I heard utålige prophecies. Among other another day of Nordic countries in that almost all of Scandinavia might be saved etc. The fact is that of all the prophecies I heard both there and by and large it all through thirty years among Pentecostals and charismatics so hardly a single prophecy held true !
What is this? We read about this " revival " in Paul 's letters :
2 Thess. 2 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now holds again, cleared the way ; 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed , whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of his mouth and bring to naught by the manifestation of his coming. 9 And his coming is after the working of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders , 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they received not the love of the truth , that they might be saved. 11 And therefore God shall send them strong delusion , that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness .
Final Comment:
This is the third article I write about Cho . And I could have written much, much more. But will stop here . Just want to say that there is a part that says we should not go against these men of God . Firstly , these are not men of God , and if there are men of God or not, everything will be tested on the word of God by what we preach , teach and how we live. Here are some that neither preaching or living right , then they are false prophets God's word learn!
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/02/no-675-pastor-david-yonggi-cho-who-has.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/02/no-674-pastor-david-yonggi-cho-revealed.html
Pastor David Yonggi Cho has been exposed as a crook , thief and manipulator . When the supreme leader 's that have to be like sheep shepherd and leader in a greater or less degree!?
The first invited Cho Norway is the now deceased false prophet Aril Edvardsen . It is so sad after this revelation is that those who have allowed themselves willingly deceive and mislead is not helped by this disclosure. It's just an excuse and everything else that there is nothing wrong either with them or Cho . The old man will always let themselves be deceived and be misled. When Aril Edvardsen died , he was Executive Board Member of Church Growth International and chairman Dr. David Yonggi Cho . These two false prophets were good friends and had the same spirit of apostasy and preaching. When he was in Farsund his name was Paul Yonggi Cho, but changed his name to David Yonggi Cho . The man is crazy sure , too, that's why he served these lies both before and after he was exposed , imagine believing that he was tricked by his son who was a crook. He " proud " he . Any sensible person would never rely on the family black sheep as they call him now , right? It serves the lies on a conveyor belt , there are so many gullible and deceived Christians of this "can" they . The Apostle Peter says they are trained for this.
Photo of the false prophet Aril Edvardsen who invited Cho first to Norway , which has been as a catalyst for all this false and seductive we see among today's Pentecostal Charismatic Christians.
It is inconceivable now that various Pentecostal Charismatics taken Cho in defense .
It is said that Cho was cheated etc. But this is really the second rear light . He was not at all wise , he is a cheat , crook and thief. His son was the same cloth . Signs for the fourth time and many extra- marital affairs and other Crimea. One does not get fooled by such a person even if it is your own son , how stupid and naive can one be? Obviously this is a smokescreen for their own deception and lies.
Anyone who defends Cho did not realize that they are defending a crook and a false prophet.
Cho has taught and preached unbiblical in all the years he has held on . But his glory theology or progress theology , false revelation , false prophecies, visualization , dreams and I do not know what. And this he has hidden behind his request and have a great church , but all this is and remains a mega deception and a mega seduction.
Aril Edvardsen who invited Cho first to Norway was also a mega liar and crook.
I've been on four summer events in Farsund . From 1982 to 1985. through the four years I heard utålige prophecies. Among other another day of Nordic countries in that almost all of Scandinavia might be saved etc. The fact is that of all the prophecies I heard both there and by and large it all through thirty years among Pentecostals and charismatics so hardly a single prophecy held true !
What is this? We read about this " revival " in Paul 's letters :
2 Thess. 2 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now holds again, cleared the way ; 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed , whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of his mouth and bring to naught by the manifestation of his coming. 9 And his coming is after the working of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders , 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they received not the love of the truth , that they might be saved. 11 And therefore God shall send them strong delusion , that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness .
Final Comment:
This is the third article I write about Cho . And I could have written much, much more. But will stop here . Just want to say that there is a part that says we should not go against these men of God . Firstly , these are not men of God , and if there are men of God or not, everything will be tested on the word of God by what we preach , teach and how we live. Here are some that neither preaching or living right , then they are false prophets God's word learn!
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/02/no-675-pastor-david-yonggi-cho-who-has.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/02/no-674-pastor-david-yonggi-cho-revealed.html
torsdag 27. februar 2014
No. 675: Pastor David Yonggi Cho who has the world's largest Pentecost karismatiske church revealed that cheat and crook. Will those whom he has seduced take lessons ? Hardly!
No. 675:
Pastor David Yonggi Cho who has the world's largest Pentecost karismatiske church revealed that cheat and crook. Will those whom he has seduced take lessons ? Hardly!
Pastor David Yonggi Cho and his son Cho Hee - Jun who is divorced and married for the fourth time has been exposed as cheaters , crooks and thieves. Trying to catch up if we have something to learn and those who he wondered through all the years take lessons ? Photo of Pastor David Yonggi Cho smiling from ear to ear and deceive , lie and steal from Christians all they have at every level of life when he is a false prophet.
What happened with Cho ?
There he is convicted and revealed with is that he along with his son, the elder who has been married four times has " cheated " others to buy shares that were worth ¼ part of what they paid , approx. 80 Million . And he must pay back in with his son the money. For Cho ` s part is talking about the rain on the Norwegian money around . 30 Million . He will not have to zone owing his advanced age and that he has been impunity before and have done so much good for the Korean society.
Dr. David Yonggi Cho is really the most dangerous type of fraud when he actually also has " much" good to come by and more wholesome theology than many others. It looks more like the "truth" than many others. But he is and remains a liar , cheat , crook, thief and a false prophet.
Has he repented ? Now that he 's been revealed what he says ? From my forje post about him : Now Cho "reverse " up and says the following: No believer should own something that is his own . (state final ) . Here is the classic fallacy . From trying to own the most to not own anything . But unfortunately , all the Pentecostal Charismatic " famille " will forgive him and take him back , then they are seduced by and large it all. Do not see any light in the tunnel when it comes Pentecostal Charismatic Christians, here it is all black ! ( end of quote ) .
There is something fundamental wrong, seductive and demonic among Pinsekarismatikernerne . There is a building on the experience and not the word of God , it is only the word of God which is our guideline . Here I think there never will be an improvement, had it done so had all been turned on its head in the PinseKaresmatiske Christianity really has been a bunch of false prophets who preach the itching ears and even live as suits themselves !
The prophet Isaiah said: Isaiah 8.a 20 To the law and to the testimony !
How to meet today's Pentecostal and Charismatics ? It is to warn and then turn away from them . They lead and being deceived ! There is no improvement in sight, just a clear deterioration and the more demonic it will be!
What preached and prophesied Cho ? The man who founded and was senior pastor of the world's largest Pentecostal church ? He was a false prophet and deceiver , which I warned against in all those years , and now it has shown once again that I was right !
It's too much to mention everything. But here's something false prophecies, visualization is demonic , dreams that are spiritualist and a life where one can live like a self desires and will with regard to , inter alia, sexuall place where his son was a "good" example with four marriages behind him and he was to pray in congregation with Cho himself. Which deceit and villainy .
Final Comment:
There is no excuse for this. He has always been a heretic , now also exposed as someone who does not live according to God's word. And his son who has been with this, a sexgal freak and rogue . How easily fooled and deceived will present Pentecostal and Charismatics are before they start waking up from their spiritual anesthetic sleep ? I do not know, but after all it is good that this comes to the surface and hopefully , sooner or later , those who belong to the Lord wake up and start going back to the word of God .
Here some excerpts from Searchlight who writes about this :
The founder of what is known as the world's largest church , Pastor David Yonggi Cho, has been sentenced to three years' imprisonment for embezzling funds from the church. " Yoido Full Gospel Church " , in Seoul , South Korea, is one of the world 's largest churches , perhaps the biggest. Yonggi Cho is convicted of having caused the church about 73 million in losses in 2002 by receiving ward managers to buy shares with his son Hee -Jun Cho, to four times their real value, the paper reported Yonhap . Yonggi Cho representing the South Korean edition of " Word Of Faith " has written a number of books containing classic forward gangs and religious preaching.
The now- convicted pastor put gloss on Word of Life's 30 - year anniversary of the European Conference in Uppsala in 2013 . The 77 year old pastor who has emphasized healing and signs and wonders a la it brought to the table by traditional religious preachers. " He broke the curse , so in this life - ordlivet can be free , to have health, have financial abundance . You are no longer a sinner ! Through the Holy Spirit , you are sanctified and healed. It's your new I , " he preached in his quiet way but in good trosforkynnelsesånd and then shared several strong testimony of the strong healings , wrote Norway in Day last year's European conference. However, it was open it now convicted pastor not even totally lived what he preached . " 77- year-old has even struggled with health the past five years , after he resigned as the head pastor of his church in Seoul, South Korea. He said he is seriously ill and that the forecasts are basically bad . - But I said to the devil : I am healthy and I have health and strength in Christ. And here I am , standing on my two feet, said the living legend to a cheering crowd consisting of 70 different nationalities. " Now, six months later it must soon 78 year old pastor plan on a possible prison if he violates the wild conditions of its conditional judgment which read in three years suspended sentence with probation for five years.
The news that Pastor David Yonggi Cho and his son Cho Hee -Jun was sentenced to three years probation today has shaken the charismatic world. The verdict has made headlines in Christian newspapers at home and abroad and the first to refer to yongi - cho -to - jaildommen was Christian Post that he was followed by Charisma magazine as today trying to excuse the aging pastor that one can not expect that he was twelve years ago " did not take the time to read and check the papers he signed " which resulted in the church and thus his faithful brothers were defrauded of more than 70 million dollars. The aging pastor last summer visited the Word of Life Europe Conference in Uppsala was also convicted of tax evasion. The penalty world-renowned trosforkynneren did remain in South Korea considered mild when the sentence was suspended with five years probation . This means that the man newspaper in Norway Day last year gave honorable term " man of God " in its coverage of the Word of Life will not have to serve if he does not commit new offenses . Pastor Cho must also pay a fine of 5 million U.S. dollars.
The news that Pastor Yonggi Cho who is well known both as a speaker, writer and dychogrunnlegger one of the largest churches if one only focuses on quantity and high numbers hit yesterday and today like a bomb in charismatic circles . David Yonggi Cho who is also known as Paul Yonggi Cho was known in Norway through the release of the bestselling " The Fourth Dimension" which in Norway was published by Logos publishers . Yonggi Cho 's book quickly became popular in parts of the charismatic movement but also controversial and criticized because it contained a mix of Christianity and what he claimed was " spiritual laws and principles " which in many ways was inspired by oriental neo- religious thinking. The main idea of Pastor Cho 's best-selling book was the need to " visualize forward the things you want God to give us" - and has enough faith , God must ( on the basis of the moral principles and laws which exist ) fulfill your wishes as another errand boy or servant . His book met with many objections from believers who denounced the glory theology Pastor Cho and numerous other religious preachers preached.
Once the scammers receive honorary designation " god men "
In the summer of 2013 organized the Word of Life in Uppsala its annual " European Conference" . One of last year's speakers who had already been under investigation since 2011, Pastor Cho was hailed as a star when he arrived at Word of Life's platform to deliver a rather absurd sermon. From the newspaper in Norway Day ( link) cites the following praise of the 77 year old scammer : "Wednesday evening he preached at Word of Life and helped to put the gloss on the Word of Life's 30 - year anniversary of the European Conference in Uppsala. - Around 7,000 people had joined up , and it was easier chaotic at Word of Life's major conference before the meeting. The atmosphere was electric as the 77 year old man of God ( fraudster and man of God maybe? ) Proved , a little out of the meeting, together with the Word of Life's undisputed figurehead Ulf Ekman .
Classic religious preaching with convicted " spiritual leader "
Norway Day in praise of the convicted pastor becomes almost naive when we read dimensjonfortsettelsen : " But if anyone was expecting a show and" something new ", they were possibly disappointed. A very simple and humble aging preacher ( who through his " side business " shares sold for four times the real value and thus contributed to that he and his son defrauded the church for more than 70 million) - came forward with a very simple religious message, without making use of effects other than its own quiet voice. And the message was the good old gospel preaching and strong faith in the Word of Life's spirit. Cho preached the cross and resurrection that gives every Christian an opportunity for a new and different life. The problem is that many people do not know their identity in Christ because they have not renewed their thought life through God's Word, the Spirit said chief ( who now also honored with the title " convicted " .
Living as learning
The 77 year old pastor who had struggled with ill health for five years had a lot of cool to say about God's promises to the faithful : " - Jesus Christ washed us when he shared his blood and gave his body . He cried, It is finished , and neutralized syndensog ekman - ulfdjevelens power. He broke the curse , so in this life can be free , to have health, have financial abundance . ( in what way he got the economic abundance of the aging pastor said nothing about) - You are no longer a sinner ! Through the Holy Spirit , you are sanctified and healed. It's your new I , he preached his quiet way but in good trosforkynnelsesånd and then shared several strong testimony of strong healings. Despite his fine promises " riches and " it was obvious that the pastor himself not quite got things to work , " 77- year-old has even struggled with health the past five years , after he resigned as the head pastor of his church in Seoul in South Korea.
He said he is seriously ill and that the forecasts are basically bad . - But I said to the devil : I am healthy and I have health and strength in Christ. And here I am , standing on my two feet, said the living legend to a cheering crowd consisting of 70 different nationalities , " wrote Norway in the day ahead . The aged and now convicted pastor is not the only faith or prosperity preacher who despite their promises of healing not quite lived and died as they learned. -At Word of Life Assembly may rejoice statement : " And here I am , standing on my two feet" tells at least me how little it has to be of the power of thought among the 7,000 attending , - unless Pastor Cho was lame then!
Angel with needle guaranteed that Pastor Cho would be 100
According to the then 77 year old preacher he had even met an angel in a dream , and purely biblical theological can of course happen . However, there is something new that angels driver acupuncture , " Cho also had the dream pain in his body , but he saw himself stand and preach , and then came an angel and" performed acupuncture "on him. He felt immediately better from the pain , and the angel, Cho began a conversation. How long will you live, asked the angel in the dream. As my parents until I'm 94, said Cho . Add another year, then another ... And so it continued until Cho came to 100 Then the angel said stop. Since you aim to be 100 , you will get that wish come true , was life - ordengelens message to the man of God , who is looking forward to another 20 years of service.
- I do not mind to invite Yonggi Cho here for 20 years , said a laughing Ekman in after the meeting, though somewhat confused dream. " That Ulf Ekman was confused , we can well understand when it is rarely cost to hear about angels (though in dream ) that operates acupuncture, - but to negotiate lifespan where an angel decides that it will be one hundred years , is hardly a big surprise for Ulf Ekman which are used in prosperity preachers even though it usually does not vote themselves, states that one has enough faith , -so shall you die old and full of years without being sick.
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/02/no-674-pastor-david-yonggi-cho-revealed.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/ http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video
Pastor David Yonggi Cho who has the world's largest Pentecost karismatiske church revealed that cheat and crook. Will those whom he has seduced take lessons ? Hardly!
Pastor David Yonggi Cho and his son Cho Hee - Jun who is divorced and married for the fourth time has been exposed as cheaters , crooks and thieves. Trying to catch up if we have something to learn and those who he wondered through all the years take lessons ? Photo of Pastor David Yonggi Cho smiling from ear to ear and deceive , lie and steal from Christians all they have at every level of life when he is a false prophet.
What happened with Cho ?
There he is convicted and revealed with is that he along with his son, the elder who has been married four times has " cheated " others to buy shares that were worth ¼ part of what they paid , approx. 80 Million . And he must pay back in with his son the money. For Cho ` s part is talking about the rain on the Norwegian money around . 30 Million . He will not have to zone owing his advanced age and that he has been impunity before and have done so much good for the Korean society.
Dr. David Yonggi Cho is really the most dangerous type of fraud when he actually also has " much" good to come by and more wholesome theology than many others. It looks more like the "truth" than many others. But he is and remains a liar , cheat , crook, thief and a false prophet.
Has he repented ? Now that he 's been revealed what he says ? From my forje post about him : Now Cho "reverse " up and says the following: No believer should own something that is his own . (state final ) . Here is the classic fallacy . From trying to own the most to not own anything . But unfortunately , all the Pentecostal Charismatic " famille " will forgive him and take him back , then they are seduced by and large it all. Do not see any light in the tunnel when it comes Pentecostal Charismatic Christians, here it is all black ! ( end of quote ) .
There is something fundamental wrong, seductive and demonic among Pinsekarismatikernerne . There is a building on the experience and not the word of God , it is only the word of God which is our guideline . Here I think there never will be an improvement, had it done so had all been turned on its head in the PinseKaresmatiske Christianity really has been a bunch of false prophets who preach the itching ears and even live as suits themselves !
The prophet Isaiah said: Isaiah 8.a 20 To the law and to the testimony !
How to meet today's Pentecostal and Charismatics ? It is to warn and then turn away from them . They lead and being deceived ! There is no improvement in sight, just a clear deterioration and the more demonic it will be!
What preached and prophesied Cho ? The man who founded and was senior pastor of the world's largest Pentecostal church ? He was a false prophet and deceiver , which I warned against in all those years , and now it has shown once again that I was right !
It's too much to mention everything. But here's something false prophecies, visualization is demonic , dreams that are spiritualist and a life where one can live like a self desires and will with regard to , inter alia, sexuall place where his son was a "good" example with four marriages behind him and he was to pray in congregation with Cho himself. Which deceit and villainy .
Final Comment:
There is no excuse for this. He has always been a heretic , now also exposed as someone who does not live according to God's word. And his son who has been with this, a sexgal freak and rogue . How easily fooled and deceived will present Pentecostal and Charismatics are before they start waking up from their spiritual anesthetic sleep ? I do not know, but after all it is good that this comes to the surface and hopefully , sooner or later , those who belong to the Lord wake up and start going back to the word of God .
Here some excerpts from Searchlight who writes about this :
The founder of what is known as the world's largest church , Pastor David Yonggi Cho, has been sentenced to three years' imprisonment for embezzling funds from the church. " Yoido Full Gospel Church " , in Seoul , South Korea, is one of the world 's largest churches , perhaps the biggest. Yonggi Cho is convicted of having caused the church about 73 million in losses in 2002 by receiving ward managers to buy shares with his son Hee -Jun Cho, to four times their real value, the paper reported Yonhap . Yonggi Cho representing the South Korean edition of " Word Of Faith " has written a number of books containing classic forward gangs and religious preaching.
The now- convicted pastor put gloss on Word of Life's 30 - year anniversary of the European Conference in Uppsala in 2013 . The 77 year old pastor who has emphasized healing and signs and wonders a la it brought to the table by traditional religious preachers. " He broke the curse , so in this life - ordlivet can be free , to have health, have financial abundance . You are no longer a sinner ! Through the Holy Spirit , you are sanctified and healed. It's your new I , " he preached in his quiet way but in good trosforkynnelsesånd and then shared several strong testimony of the strong healings , wrote Norway in Day last year's European conference. However, it was open it now convicted pastor not even totally lived what he preached . " 77- year-old has even struggled with health the past five years , after he resigned as the head pastor of his church in Seoul, South Korea. He said he is seriously ill and that the forecasts are basically bad . - But I said to the devil : I am healthy and I have health and strength in Christ. And here I am , standing on my two feet, said the living legend to a cheering crowd consisting of 70 different nationalities. " Now, six months later it must soon 78 year old pastor plan on a possible prison if he violates the wild conditions of its conditional judgment which read in three years suspended sentence with probation for five years.
The news that Pastor David Yonggi Cho and his son Cho Hee -Jun was sentenced to three years probation today has shaken the charismatic world. The verdict has made headlines in Christian newspapers at home and abroad and the first to refer to yongi - cho -to - jaildommen was Christian Post that he was followed by Charisma magazine as today trying to excuse the aging pastor that one can not expect that he was twelve years ago " did not take the time to read and check the papers he signed " which resulted in the church and thus his faithful brothers were defrauded of more than 70 million dollars. The aging pastor last summer visited the Word of Life Europe Conference in Uppsala was also convicted of tax evasion. The penalty world-renowned trosforkynneren did remain in South Korea considered mild when the sentence was suspended with five years probation . This means that the man newspaper in Norway Day last year gave honorable term " man of God " in its coverage of the Word of Life will not have to serve if he does not commit new offenses . Pastor Cho must also pay a fine of 5 million U.S. dollars.
The news that Pastor Yonggi Cho who is well known both as a speaker, writer and dychogrunnlegger one of the largest churches if one only focuses on quantity and high numbers hit yesterday and today like a bomb in charismatic circles . David Yonggi Cho who is also known as Paul Yonggi Cho was known in Norway through the release of the bestselling " The Fourth Dimension" which in Norway was published by Logos publishers . Yonggi Cho 's book quickly became popular in parts of the charismatic movement but also controversial and criticized because it contained a mix of Christianity and what he claimed was " spiritual laws and principles " which in many ways was inspired by oriental neo- religious thinking. The main idea of Pastor Cho 's best-selling book was the need to " visualize forward the things you want God to give us" - and has enough faith , God must ( on the basis of the moral principles and laws which exist ) fulfill your wishes as another errand boy or servant . His book met with many objections from believers who denounced the glory theology Pastor Cho and numerous other religious preachers preached.
Once the scammers receive honorary designation " god men "
In the summer of 2013 organized the Word of Life in Uppsala its annual " European Conference" . One of last year's speakers who had already been under investigation since 2011, Pastor Cho was hailed as a star when he arrived at Word of Life's platform to deliver a rather absurd sermon. From the newspaper in Norway Day ( link) cites the following praise of the 77 year old scammer : "Wednesday evening he preached at Word of Life and helped to put the gloss on the Word of Life's 30 - year anniversary of the European Conference in Uppsala. - Around 7,000 people had joined up , and it was easier chaotic at Word of Life's major conference before the meeting. The atmosphere was electric as the 77 year old man of God ( fraudster and man of God maybe? ) Proved , a little out of the meeting, together with the Word of Life's undisputed figurehead Ulf Ekman .
Classic religious preaching with convicted " spiritual leader "
Norway Day in praise of the convicted pastor becomes almost naive when we read dimensjonfortsettelsen : " But if anyone was expecting a show and" something new ", they were possibly disappointed. A very simple and humble aging preacher ( who through his " side business " shares sold for four times the real value and thus contributed to that he and his son defrauded the church for more than 70 million) - came forward with a very simple religious message, without making use of effects other than its own quiet voice. And the message was the good old gospel preaching and strong faith in the Word of Life's spirit. Cho preached the cross and resurrection that gives every Christian an opportunity for a new and different life. The problem is that many people do not know their identity in Christ because they have not renewed their thought life through God's Word, the Spirit said chief ( who now also honored with the title " convicted " .
Living as learning
The 77 year old pastor who had struggled with ill health for five years had a lot of cool to say about God's promises to the faithful : " - Jesus Christ washed us when he shared his blood and gave his body . He cried, It is finished , and neutralized syndensog ekman - ulfdjevelens power. He broke the curse , so in this life can be free , to have health, have financial abundance . ( in what way he got the economic abundance of the aging pastor said nothing about) - You are no longer a sinner ! Through the Holy Spirit , you are sanctified and healed. It's your new I , he preached his quiet way but in good trosforkynnelsesånd and then shared several strong testimony of strong healings. Despite his fine promises " riches and " it was obvious that the pastor himself not quite got things to work , " 77- year-old has even struggled with health the past five years , after he resigned as the head pastor of his church in Seoul in South Korea.
He said he is seriously ill and that the forecasts are basically bad . - But I said to the devil : I am healthy and I have health and strength in Christ. And here I am , standing on my two feet, said the living legend to a cheering crowd consisting of 70 different nationalities , " wrote Norway in the day ahead . The aged and now convicted pastor is not the only faith or prosperity preacher who despite their promises of healing not quite lived and died as they learned. -At Word of Life Assembly may rejoice statement : " And here I am , standing on my two feet" tells at least me how little it has to be of the power of thought among the 7,000 attending , - unless Pastor Cho was lame then!
Angel with needle guaranteed that Pastor Cho would be 100
According to the then 77 year old preacher he had even met an angel in a dream , and purely biblical theological can of course happen . However, there is something new that angels driver acupuncture , " Cho also had the dream pain in his body , but he saw himself stand and preach , and then came an angel and" performed acupuncture "on him. He felt immediately better from the pain , and the angel, Cho began a conversation. How long will you live, asked the angel in the dream. As my parents until I'm 94, said Cho . Add another year, then another ... And so it continued until Cho came to 100 Then the angel said stop. Since you aim to be 100 , you will get that wish come true , was life - ordengelens message to the man of God , who is looking forward to another 20 years of service.
- I do not mind to invite Yonggi Cho here for 20 years , said a laughing Ekman in after the meeting, though somewhat confused dream. " That Ulf Ekman was confused , we can well understand when it is rarely cost to hear about angels (though in dream ) that operates acupuncture, - but to negotiate lifespan where an angel decides that it will be one hundred years , is hardly a big surprise for Ulf Ekman which are used in prosperity preachers even though it usually does not vote themselves, states that one has enough faith , -so shall you die old and full of years without being sick.
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2014/02/no-674-pastor-david-yonggi-cho-revealed.html http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/ http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video
onsdag 26. februar 2014
No. 674: Pastor David Yonggi Cho revealed as the villain , but the Pentecostal Charismatic Christians will probably be fooled again and nozzle down this when they do not live as Christians surrendered!
No. 674:
Pastor David Yonggi Cho revealed as the villain , but the Pentecostal Charismatic Christians will probably be fooled again and nozzle down this when they do not live as Christians surrendered!
Photo of the deception and sentenced villain David Yonggi Cho after the verdict against him where he was convicted of fraud in many millions.
David Yonggi Cho has not been a crook and a thief , he has been all along . He's just been revealed. This I wrote 20 years ago :
It says in Scripture that one should not take yoked . Robert Schüller 's more a mixed product of Catholic New-age and worldly prosperity theology. His program broadcast from the Crystal Church in Los Angeles is an alienation from healthy evangelical preaching the word of the cross in the center . But I most want to stop by Dr. David Yonggo Cho . It is regrettable that the Pentecostal movement in Norway invite this man , time after time . In 1977, when he came to Norway first time , he prophesied with his former pastor with Housten , that 2 million Norwegians should be saved and 50 million in Europe in 10 years . This has not happened. Therefore, one can safely say that this man is false by God's own words. Jeremiah 28.9 . Furthermore preach Yonggi Cho about the fourth dimension which is very close to the same as Schüller preach about the possibility thinking.
So what is the fourth dimension ? You can read it in his book, The Fourth Dimension , published by Logos publishers . To try to give a description of the occult teachings imparted here , which some column inches . Just preface makes it a little difficult to explain. For there Schuller writes : "Do not try to understand it , ( the fourth dimension ) Just start to enjoy it! That's true. It works. I tried it ."
I will here try to explain simply what Yonggi Cho believes the fourth dimension : He believes the Holy Spirit is creative , but if we want, we can go into the fourth dimension , which animals , plants and all creation can not, and through our dreams and thoughts go in and take dominion over 1 ) God 2 ) Jesus ( word) and 3) the Holy Spirit.
1 ) God , by being given the honor of what we will experience
2 ) Jesus by Rhema ( revelation ) is greater than the Logos (the word that is written in the Bible ) .
3 ) The Holy Spirit is the power that we can control who we want. Furthermore defends Yonggi Cho charismatic preachers in Pentecostal circles no matter what they preach and stand for.
We must be clear to us that this is now happening in the Pentecostal movement , is apostasy from the faith in Jesus as the Word and our Savior , Redeemer and Lord. The prophet Jeremiah says it so eloquently in chapter 23 and verse 16: " Thus says the LORD of hosts, Hearken not to the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you : they ye vanity , they speak a vision of their own heart , not words mouth of the LORD .
How could one taken up one after another as these false preachers are doing. It seems that it is Peter's words in 2 letter in chapter 2 verse 9 and the section as death. (Read for yourself) .
Turn away from this, it is delusion, but ask them if it was possible for some of them to repent and come back to the Lord so He can heal their backsliding.
Evangelist Jan Kåre Christensen . Excerpt from a post of the day 29/03/94 .
Now Cho "reverse " up and says the following: No believer should own something that is his own . (state final ) .
Here is the classic fallacy . From trying to own the most to not own anything . But unfortunately , all the Pentecostal Charismatic " famille " will forgive him and take him back , then they are seduced by and large it all. Do not see any light in the tunnel when it comes Pentecostal Charismatic Christians, here it is all black !
End Comment.
David Yonggi Cho . The head of the church Yoido Full Gospel Church in Seoul , today is the largest Pentecostal church and counts over 750,000 members. He is the senior pastor . But he is and remains a trickster , more is there to say about the matter. Having deceived approx. 80 Million and must repay 30 Million . And a sentence of three years imprisonment which he totally safe release when he is almost 80 years old and after all impunity before and have done a lot of "good" with what he has influenced such large crowds and thus do not have to zone . But who preach and shepherd he is a cheat , crook and as a manager and lead astray !
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/ http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video
Pastor David Yonggi Cho revealed as the villain , but the Pentecostal Charismatic Christians will probably be fooled again and nozzle down this when they do not live as Christians surrendered!
Photo of the deception and sentenced villain David Yonggi Cho after the verdict against him where he was convicted of fraud in many millions.
David Yonggi Cho has not been a crook and a thief , he has been all along . He's just been revealed. This I wrote 20 years ago :
It says in Scripture that one should not take yoked . Robert Schüller 's more a mixed product of Catholic New-age and worldly prosperity theology. His program broadcast from the Crystal Church in Los Angeles is an alienation from healthy evangelical preaching the word of the cross in the center . But I most want to stop by Dr. David Yonggo Cho . It is regrettable that the Pentecostal movement in Norway invite this man , time after time . In 1977, when he came to Norway first time , he prophesied with his former pastor with Housten , that 2 million Norwegians should be saved and 50 million in Europe in 10 years . This has not happened. Therefore, one can safely say that this man is false by God's own words. Jeremiah 28.9 . Furthermore preach Yonggi Cho about the fourth dimension which is very close to the same as Schüller preach about the possibility thinking.
So what is the fourth dimension ? You can read it in his book, The Fourth Dimension , published by Logos publishers . To try to give a description of the occult teachings imparted here , which some column inches . Just preface makes it a little difficult to explain. For there Schuller writes : "Do not try to understand it , ( the fourth dimension ) Just start to enjoy it! That's true. It works. I tried it ."
I will here try to explain simply what Yonggi Cho believes the fourth dimension : He believes the Holy Spirit is creative , but if we want, we can go into the fourth dimension , which animals , plants and all creation can not, and through our dreams and thoughts go in and take dominion over 1 ) God 2 ) Jesus ( word) and 3) the Holy Spirit.
1 ) God , by being given the honor of what we will experience
2 ) Jesus by Rhema ( revelation ) is greater than the Logos (the word that is written in the Bible ) .
3 ) The Holy Spirit is the power that we can control who we want. Furthermore defends Yonggi Cho charismatic preachers in Pentecostal circles no matter what they preach and stand for.
We must be clear to us that this is now happening in the Pentecostal movement , is apostasy from the faith in Jesus as the Word and our Savior , Redeemer and Lord. The prophet Jeremiah says it so eloquently in chapter 23 and verse 16: " Thus says the LORD of hosts, Hearken not to the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you : they ye vanity , they speak a vision of their own heart , not words mouth of the LORD .
How could one taken up one after another as these false preachers are doing. It seems that it is Peter's words in 2 letter in chapter 2 verse 9 and the section as death. (Read for yourself) .
Turn away from this, it is delusion, but ask them if it was possible for some of them to repent and come back to the Lord so He can heal their backsliding.
Evangelist Jan Kåre Christensen . Excerpt from a post of the day 29/03/94 .
Now Cho "reverse " up and says the following: No believer should own something that is his own . (state final ) .
Here is the classic fallacy . From trying to own the most to not own anything . But unfortunately , all the Pentecostal Charismatic " famille " will forgive him and take him back , then they are seduced by and large it all. Do not see any light in the tunnel when it comes Pentecostal Charismatic Christians, here it is all black !
End Comment.
David Yonggi Cho . The head of the church Yoido Full Gospel Church in Seoul , today is the largest Pentecostal church and counts over 750,000 members. He is the senior pastor . But he is and remains a trickster , more is there to say about the matter. Having deceived approx. 80 Million and must repay 30 Million . And a sentence of three years imprisonment which he totally safe release when he is almost 80 years old and after all impunity before and have done a lot of "good" with what he has influenced such large crowds and thus do not have to zone . But who preach and shepherd he is a cheat , crook and as a manager and lead astray !
Related links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/ http://janchristensen.net/index2.php?side=video
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