tirsdag 10. februar 2015

No. 874: Why a woman can not become Pastor, Shepherd, elders or have a learning responsibility of man. Plus, why she should be covered when she prays and preaches!

 No. 874:
Why a woman can not become Pastor, Shepherd, elders or have a learning responsibility of man. Plus, why she should be covered when she prays and preaches!

I believe in blind obedience to God's word! But it is possible also to ask to get a heavenly light and clarity of God's word. I've gotten so many times, the easier to follow God's word. In this article I shall teach the following:
"Why a woman can not become Pastor, Shepherd, elders or have a learning responsibility of man. Plus, why she should be covered when she prays and preaches. "

Image of women who are covered under the service. This has great significance for the angels that are invisibly present during our worship services.


We begin with this: "Why a woman can not become Pastor, Shepherd, elders or have a learning responsibility of man."

Several texts in the pastoral letters (ie 1 Tim, 2 Tim and Titus) presupposes clear that there are men who go into the role of overseers. This is an important point in light of the Bible thus can signify a woman who "collaborator," presupposes that women "prophesy" in Assembly and call a woman of "servant of the church" (Rom 16,1). The same is expressed in speech, Paul keeps the elders of Ephesus (Acts 20: 13.28). Here we also see that it is assumed that this role is handled by men (8:30 p.m.). When it is assumed that only men who are suitable and have confidence, called into the role of leader of the congregation, we believe it is due to theological considerations, not cultural and time-dependent.

1. Tim.2: 8-15.
The whole chapter is about the life of the congregation, about how Christians should pray and otherwise act. Men are told to keep away from bickering (v8) and pray with holy hands, while women are exhorted instead to adorn themselves with good deeds than with "gold or pearls or costly clothing" (v9).
These verses (and quite similar verses in 1st Pet.3: 3-5) is not about women should adorn themselves, but rather how women should adorn themselves, and exhorted moderation when it comes to clothing and jewelry, ie against excessive luxury.
So Paul writes further that "a woman should take the teachings received in silence 5, she should be subordinate" (v11). In the following verses we find justifications for the principle of subordination, that she should not be over a man (v12). The first reason is that "Adam was formed first" (v13). The other is that Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived was in the transgression (v14). It must mean that Adam was outwitted by a direct attack from the hose, but he sinned knowingly and deliberately. He deliberately chose to adopt the same space as Eva in the spiritual death, otherwise they would have been separated, without the possibility of any further generations. Of this genus - the woman's seed - would come Savior, who would crush the serpent's head (cf. "the first gospel" in 1.Mos.3: 15). Against this background, we understand verse 15, that the woman will be saved through childbearing (determined form the basic text), it will say that it was this way she (and of course also the man) have received their Savior, but they must stay ahead in faith and love and holiness, with modesty. We miss the point if we are discussing what is most severely; being beguiled to sin, or sin deliberately. It is also unfounded to argue that this historical justification says something about women and men characteristics, then or since. On the basis of the prior written about men and women's equality to preach, we believe the section should be interpreted as a rejection of women to hold the special l ærefunksjon in the Christian congregation. If a woman goes into such a role, she will be man's master, and it is contrary to the order of creation. Other limitations when it comes to women's leadership, add text does not. It is not given to us to understand or explain why we are all born with sinful nature just because the first human sin, but it is given us to accept that it is so because the word of God says so. Likewise, we can not understand or explain that God has laid a charge of a special learning feature on some men in the audience, but it's given us to accept or reject the justification given in these verses.
It is also useful to note that the Greek original text shows us that Paul did not speak about that women are "master of her husband," but generally to be "master of man." This makes it difficult to argue that only married women who are accused in these verses.
1. Kor.14: 33-35.
Also this text is about the life of the congregation. The first part of chapter 14 takes largely up the use of gifts, with emphasis on tongues and prophetic speech.
Then Paul speaks about the role of women in the church: "As in all the churches of the saints women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as the law also says. But there is something they want track of, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is shameful for a woman to speak in church collection »
(1 Cor. 14.33 to 35).
We have difficulty in understanding this as situational conditions, or a specific cultural context in Corinth, because Paul refers to the situation in "all churches of the saints" and to "the Lord's commandments" (V37). The fact that the text also refers to women's subordination, indicates that the call is about the fundamental relationship between men and women. We also see that Paul uses the phrase "they are not permitted."
It was a well-known legal formula that refers to something passed or statutory. We do not believe the apostle would write in this way if it was just a problem with the turmoil in the meetings he wished to destroy.
Some argue that the words that no "behooves" that women speak, gives a signal that Paul relate to what were perceived as provocative in such a culture, but there are 5 Based how the word silence (Greek hesuchia) is to understand other places that 2.Tess.2: 12, 1.Pet.3: 4, Luke 11:56 p.m. and 1.Tim.2: 11 (the last two places are "calm" used), we believe that "peaceful without disturbing "is a better understanding than that she will not say anything. unreasonable to assert that Paul thus signaling that his guidance is pragmatic and culture specific. In many texts where he speaks about what befits, the focus is not just "cultural decency," but rather what (at all times) behooves a Christian who relate to God's commandments and God's standard (see Rom. 1, 28; 13,13; 16,2; Eph. 5.3).
We will argue that it is likely that the text deals with the same as 1 Tim. 2: 11-14, that the kind of learning preaching church leader (or leaders) have a special responsibility, and that is part of it to have that top management responsibility for the life of the congregation. Beyond this there is no basis for making a difference in men and women preaching and other public services.

(From Men and women service - Indremisjonsforbundet).

1 Tim. 2. 8 In every place I want men to pray with upraised and clean hands without anger and contention. 9 Likewise, I want women to have a nice behavior. They should adorn themselves with way and sense, not with any kind of braid, gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, as befits women who profess to worship God. 11 A woman shall receive training in silence and subordinate themselves in everything. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or decide upon the man, she should be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was lured, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 But she shall be saved through child birth - only they show sense and live in faith, love and holiness.

Scripture clearly teaches that women should not be over man. Or be elders, Shepherd (priest or pastor) or bishop (Bishop or Main Board / Pastor).

The reason is very simple and clear. The woman is set to give birth and foster children. The man should of course be with. But the main responsibility lies with the woman, this also testifies about nature as man can not bear children. And that when she is "exempt" from and for this, for being a woman fully!

During 1000 årsriket and the world will not be so, because the woman is "solved" from task to bear children. If she stays close to the Lord and follow God's words here, so she promise to bear children in a good way.

Scripture says: "She shall be saved through child birth - only they show sense and live in faith, love and holiness."

What is saved here? I just think it means that she will have a natural birth and give birth to a shapely or shapely children. Unless she's faith receive Christ and God's word. It is a promise given, like so many other promises!
I will not discuss if it does not happen if someone has sinned etc. Just that if we align with God's word, and it shall prosper and we will manage the challenges in life.

When we hear that the Greek religion were women considered religious dignitary than men, especially those who were virgins, so these words of Paul a corrective. It is not the man who makes the woman unclean. She also has its responsibility in the Fall. Giving birth disqualifies not the woman for salvation, - she will be saved through child birth, if she otherwise live like all other Christians should live.

Furthermore, it states that she will be saved. This again shows that women and men are equal when they apply salvation, but not when it comes to service. Here we are and remain different. But in the world, where we will be fully equal in everything. Why? Quite simply, when it will not be born more children and the woman is "solved" from the important task. This again shows how big and important God looks at this with children.

Salem 127. 3 Children are a gift from the Lord, the fruit is his reward.

Here I take to finish something I've written about before covered:


1. Kor.11. 2 You shall have praise you for remembering me in everything and hold on to the traditions I passed on to you. 3 I want you to know that Christ is every man's head, the husband is the head, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head. It's just the same as having her head shaved. 6 If a woman does not want anything on the head, then she should cut off her hair But when it is disgraceful for a woman to cut or shave off his hair, she should wear a veil. 7 Man shall not cover his head, since he is the image and glory. But the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9 Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 Therefore the woman of the angels wear a head, as a regulatory sign. 11 But in the Lord woman is not independent of man, and man is not independent of the woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so man born of woman, but everything is from God. 13 Judge for yourself! Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head? 14 Teacher not nature itself you that it is a shame for a man to have long hair, 15 while the woman is an honor? For hair is given her as a covering. 16 If anyone wants to create controversy about this, remember that such practices have not we, nor the churches of God.

Paul teaches about covering or protection.

The most widespread explanation here is that Paul talks to tempelskjøger. But the amazing thing is that he did not mention them with a single word.

Secondly, this is timed. It is not mentioned with a word or a phrase either. On the contrary, he says in v.2. You shall have praise you for remembering me in everything and hold on to the traditions I passed on to you. This preached and taught Paul everywhere he came when it is God's commandment, even today.
It's amazing how Satan and flesh manipulate and deceive people.

Why should the woman veiled from when she prays or prophesies? Because Pastor, man or God?

Scripture provides answers. V. 10 Therefore the woman of the angels wear a head, as a regulatory sign. Or as it also stands in some translations; undergiven safety signs. or; strafe authority over their head or gives her his own authority. The best translation; something that all angels notice and rejoice. Better a Living translation can not be said.

It is a sign that she is no. 2, not No.. 1 that man is.

This goes back to the creation, that she created as no. 2. Angels are created all that paragraph 1. Hence, one should respect before the angels when the woman participates in meetings with prayer, preaching and otherwise, are covered.

If there are some women who do not see this or do not want to follow God's word. These one should not fight with the congregation says Paul. They miss anything.

We are in a spiritual battle that we shall overcome in Paul says Efes.6. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and spiritual powers, against the rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly. Then we must follow God's word also here to win a full and complete victory.

As the late Prophet Joel Barsjø said it; I had been woman, I'd had three hats.

Why is decked required? Of Angels "missing" understanding that we humans are twofold; man and woman. As a sign of this for angels so man should not be protection covering but the woman. Then during our meeting sessions and especially when she attends.

Harder is not. It applies only to read as it stands and act as James says in his letter several times.
James 2:22. You see that faith wrought with his works, and faith was perfected by works. 26. For as the body is dead without the spirit, so faith without works is dead. We need only note that the vast, vast majority of Christians in Norway have a dead faith, or should one rather say one is misled in their faith.

Norway has been a spiritual pygmies countries. Therefore it is important not to look at the believers in Norway. They are misled in the whole, but a thing. For the word of God and Scripture alone!

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