onsdag 5. november 2014

No. 798: All men of God through time has never gone out of their way to mention the heretics, heretics and deceiver within its Christian churches!

No. 798:
All men of God through time has never gone out of their way to mention the heretics, heretics and deceiver within its Christian churches!

Why is it so tremendously important to mention not only heresy, but also heretics? Why is it so tremendously important to mention not only sin, but the sinner within its Christians? Now, I mention never published any "ordinary" Christians never.
But I have to, not least in light of the fact that almost no one else does, also mentioning that the sins of "grace." As confess the name of Jesus but living in sin.
Photo of Jimmy Swaggart who in his youth was my idol, and it is sometimes also today.

 

 

Identification!

This I can not stress strongly enough, why do we need to mention names both preachers and church. This has to do with identification. To remove this, it is to give freely elbow to the probe. We need and are entitled on the basis of God's word naming ministers, and catch up with them both in person, on the rostrum, in writing or otherwise for them to be identified!

The fact that Paul spoke to Peter right was that Sweden's Foreign Minister had said the Norwegian Foreign Minister to inform when Paul was the apostle to the uncircumcised and Petter for the circumcision. Paul then went to that step was extraordinary reasons but imperative.

How could I have continued, however, to be a preacher of the word of God is far more important "job" than being Prime Minister or President. Being a preacher of the word of God requires a far higher morals and integrity than to be the country's Prime Minister or President. Where should our lives be within its the standard that God's word speaks.

Remarriage among the faithful, especially preachers today's most important sin of omission. I do not know why, but the word of God is here abundantly clear that a minister should be a woman's man. In other words is not remarriage allowed!

Jesus called people for worm larvae, whited sepulchres, fox, hypocrite, false prophets, Satan's children, and more. Paul was not snøyere but to call people for adulteresses, fornicators, adulterers, ravening wolves etc. mentioned them many times with names, such as Hymeneos, Aleksander, Filetos, Demas and others.

Why do we mention also ministers with names? Identification and things to put into the proper context. We will not utforbi that mentioning names, too, is of great importance and accuracy!

Final comment:
Gapestokks-justice, we find again and again being directed against leaders, but only managers. I know they speak not leaders at all hours if it serves their cause, of course. But such is inferior, but to mention preachers until they have repented are both healthy, just and proper. But the error today is that those who should have done this, mostly stile as an oyster. Therefore, people like me and others standing at the barricades, then those should have done this have backed out!

Isaiah 56. 10 His watchmen are blind, they know nothing. They are all dumb dogs, they can not bark; lying down, loving to slumber; 11, the dogs are greedy, they are never satisfied. They are shepherds that can not understand:; they have all turned to their own way, every one for his gain, from the first to the last.

This word fits perfectly into today. God's church, not least the preachers and those who should have been warned that the Prophet said: "His watchmen are blind, they know nothing. They are all dumb dogs, they can not bark; lying down, loving to slumber. "

They love to sleep and do his service and task for the Lord. They are like guard dogs that sleep and become silent. I wrote a few years ago an article how important and right that we name the ministers and warns against them if they do not preach the pure doctrine and live by God's word.

See here:
Shall we name the heresies and those who offend others?

Reply:
Both yes and no. I regret sometimes to have gone too high on the track and put in by too fast. One can not always expect things in the spiritual realm understood in one, two, three. Things must mature and it might take many years to to arrive at the position one has taken in some cases.

It has probably helped to derail a debate in which I have classed a heretic, even as it is known, but that he has confidence. When should rather express themselves in another way by saying straight out what one believes without stamp competent as heresies.
And it has been a way for me to get where I am today, one must not forget out of "cow also has been calf!"
But by all means, one must attribute the heretics who are preachers and what their heresy involves. I try never to mention other than preachers who mislead and heretical. But in discussions, it is very important to first explain what heresy is about before someone dies as heretics!

Something I have learned in discussions with people should stick to discussing the issue and not the person. But in a larger article or post can discuss and record both.

Jesus and all of God's men and women in both the Old and New Testament navngav heretics. But they were above all into their learning and what it stood for.

Jesus called Herod a fox, and the Pharisees had given a teaching that was like unto leaven, which spread to even the good that they learned. Peter, John and Paul navngav. Here is an example of it:

1. Tim. 1. 18 This commandment I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the earlier prophecy concerning thee, that thou by them will fight the good fight, 19 Holding faith and a good conscience; which some having put away shipwreck of their faith; 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Hymenaeus and Alexander learned the following: 2 Tim. 2. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings for they always go further in ungodliness, 17 and their word will eat as doth as dead meat. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who has gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Paul navngav them and who they were. It also looks like it had its impact since his second letter omitted one of Heretics and put a new one in. It is to be revealed and made ​​responsible for what one learns and how one lives as a preacher, it seems both those who may be exposed and those who trust them. That is what is the purpose of naming people in public.

I have for example. named a certain pastor concrete. For my part, so many of the things I've taken forward nothing to say to me when I was already in 1985 showed that he was a false prophet, then he was married to his 1st wife. But for other people to understand that he is a servant of Satan and not a servant of God, it must appear to the name of person and learn, or lack of learning.

Paul and all of the biblical men took up what they saw as the most appropriate and which could expose and put both deceivers and those who were deceived into place! Therefore, today we also do and should do the same.

Here are some examples of both those who seduces and content of seduction. Notice how specific and to the point word of God takes up this theme:

Ananias and Saphira
The story of this couple (Acts. 5, 1-11) may not be used as examples of apostates.
It is not clear that they were believers, but was happy with the crowd in the outer. Sin was still large and serious. Jfr. Simon in chap. 8, 9-25.
However, there are other people in Paul's letter to Timothy. They are particularly interesting since we where not encounter Christianity in the first vekkelsestid. The conditions have now stabilized somewhat.
The churches have second and third generation Christians among themselves. Some have been old. Church Life may become more "normal". Were all living Christian true believers at that time? How has grown shoulder be? Paul mentions several people for Timothy as it has gone wrong. He mentions several of them
name!
Hymenaeus and Alexander
We meet them in 1 Tim. 1, 19-20. Here the apostle says that the young Timothy must fight the good fight as he has faith and a good conscience. Then it will go well. Then comes a sad note. Some in the church have cast away the good conscience. By it they shipwrecked their faith. This can not mean anything other than that they have lost their faith and received his gudsliv broken so it goes with a ship runs aground in storm and tempest. The seriousness of these verses is: If we do not take account of conscience and obey it, will get a response of the faith: it dies. Look therefore carefully how Paul himself was with his own life (Acts. 23, 1; 24, 16; 2 Tim. 1, 3).
"The verb 'to throw away' (Greek: apotheo) involves a violent and deliberate rejection," says D.
Guthrie in Tyndale NTC. Both this term and "shipwrecked" means that they once had been saved and "begun faith journey," as Bengel puts it.
Chap. 1, 6f in the same letter he mentions someone else who has gone astray from "love from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith" (v. 5). The word "wander" is used not to achieve its goals (ch. 6, 21; 2 Tim. 2, 18). Therefore, translation of 1975 say here: "Some have strayed from this goal." One who has gone astray from the faith and conscience can not be saved. But the term also shows that they once have been. The conclusion we must go even if it is not expressly said
here. Maybe think Paul the same as in v. 19f.
Secondly, Paul is a serious word about the officers that we have to use here. They must not be selected among the new believers. Why was it so dangerous? Jo - that they should not be inflated "and fall into the condemnation of the devil." They must also be respected by unbelievers that they should not "fall into reproach and the snare of the devil". 1. Tim. 3, 6-7. Here we should note that several other translations translate to in v. 6: "and fall under the same judgment as the devil" (f. Ex. Ungd.overs., NT 75 and Gunnes).
When it says here that a new convert (which here must mean salvation) you get the same judgment as the devil, ie destruction. Behind Paul's words are perhaps the thought that the devil is a fallen angel who was cast down because of his arrogance (Jud. 6; Isaiah 14, 12ff).
The new converts can also come to fall into the devil's snare, v. 7. If someone is caught in his snare, it means that he has been free, it will here say a citizen of God's kingdom. And the devil catches, let him not voluntary. Jfr. 2. Tim. 2, 26.
To fall into the condemnation of the devil can not mean that the devil should (active) judge them. It is rather as Bengel remarks here: "The devil does not judge, he is judged." Therefore, it must mean that they get the same sentence as him. To be inflated in service as a Christian, is arrogance. And it is the arch sin toward God. It was Satan's sin. Whoever follows his sin, must also accompany him in his judgment.
To fall into the snare of the devil means to get his power. The bird caught in our snare is absolutely in our power. The devil never shows mercy to those he catches by their wiles.
The burden of this section is first and foremost: Also a minister, priest, missionary or Christian leader may fall and perish. We have examples in church history.
Hymenaeus and Philetus
Is mentioned in 2 Tim. 2, 17f as examples of those who have gone astray from the faith. We do not have definite proof that Hymenaeus here is the same person as in 1 Tim. 1, 20.) They have false doctrine of the resurrection and overthrow the faith of some. This also speaks clearly for the possibility of direct apostasy. These two have gone astray from the truth, there is a direct expression of apostasy. And overthrow the faith of Christians. It also leads away from God's path.
Demas
We know little about this man. He is mentioned in 2 Tim. 4, 10; Kol. 4, 14; Fil. 24. He left Paul because he got love for this world. Tradition says that he fell from the faith. The word for love here is the strong word agape. In 1 John. 2, 15, we see that the love of the world can not be reconciled with the life of God. The second letter to Timothy is probably the last we have from his hand, and it speaks of a sad ending for the Lord employee. - It is also Lutheran expositors who think this is not referring to spiritual apostasy, but that Demas traveled from Paul of "fears that the share of Paul Disorders and heritage Del in his renunciation" (Fr. Torm). But it says nothing about the text.

This is from my commentaries Galatians 1 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ and are passed over unto another gospel.

Paul goes to a powerful attack against this ministry. It can not be reconciled with the true Christian faith.
It is a "different gospel" that separates those of Jesus Christ. There are other words of life for the Galatians. God is jealous when it comes to his son's saving work on Calvary and can not stand that someone speaks falsely about Jesus' salvation. It Judaists preached was a diabolical lie. Throughout church history,
there have been different variations of "another gospel". Common to all such preaching is that it is not based on the Bible alone, but blends the human logic and thought into.
Another gospel undermines confidence in the word of God and thus God himself. This leads to idolatry. For man himself takes the place of God. That is why the devil's gospel.

7 However, there is no other gospel; there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Judaists also spoke of the grace of God, but they spoke not only of God's grace. It was something that was added to the grace of God. It was God's grace plus something more. And it was this "something more" that destroyed the proclamation of grace. God's word says namely that "My grace is sufficient". Added it as something that it is no longer enough and pulled something from it is not enough. That grace is enough means that it is adequate. Judaists preached grace plus works. But this is not so. For if God saves us for something we have done, they are the God in debt to us. Yes, Rom. 4.4 states that "The one who works, the wages are not reckoned of grace, but of debt."
But how was it that the doctrine of the atonement for human sin in Judaists? Yes, it actually heard also. They said it about so that the Vicar of Christ's life and death would replace what was missing in lovoppfyllelsen. Such a gospel could always hear logical. It differs from our usual way of thinking. Will not this drive for good works, I wonder? We do the best we can, and Jesus will take on what is lacking in us - and so are all hurting well. No, it is not so. For it is this which Paul calls "another gospel". A've said this so that it is "the world's Gospel", or to "the religious hops gospel".

8 But though we, even if an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached, he shall be damned!

Galatians is not only a violent confrontation with heresy. It is even more strongly confront heretic. People who preach "another gospel" should not the Christian church have something. Paul is hard at those who require circumcision of Christians. (Gal 5,12).
The Bible says of these people:
they are cursed by God (Gal 1, 8-9)
they have lost their eternal life (Rev. 22: 18-19)
it would be better that they were sunk in the depths of the sea with a stone around his neck
(Matt 18.6 Mark 9.42 and Luke 17.1)
It is important that a Christian lives so that life does not obscure the gospel. We shall not acquire enemies or so live that we are disliked by most people. But in relation to the false Christianity should not be any attention to what people might think about us. False Christianity must be fought wherever it makes us unpopular.
2 John 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house and neither bid him God!

9 We have said it before and I repeat it now: If anyone preaches any other gospel than that ye have received, let him be accursed!

Listen to what Paul says of such a message: For it to be cursed is to be lost. Do you see now: The law can not save a man, it can only curse the sinner. Placing yourself therefore under the law, you place yourself under the curse.

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