mandag 9. desember 2019

No. 1487: Bible teacher Ivar Helmersen from the Free Friends was Norway's most radical preacher on remarriage before he was even divorced, after his own divorce there was another "song" in proclamation then it was free to marry!

No. 1487:
Bible teacher Ivar Helmersen from the Free Friends was Norway's most radical preacher on remarriage before he was even divorced, after his own divorce there was another "song" in proclamation then it was free to marry!


Picture of the ultra-radical for remarriage today, before against remarriage. The man has zero credibility, just like Jan Aage Torp and Jan Hanvold who also condemn everything and everyone below and home, except himself.
Look here:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2013/02/nr-455-preacher-ivar-helmersen-on.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/06/nr-331-evangelist-and-bible-teacher.html





In my youth, I met a good number of preachers, and the most radical preacher when it came to divorce and remarriage was Ivar Helmersen from the Free Friends who he then belonged to and traveled as a publisher and Bible teacher sometimes.
I had also mentioned Helmersen at the Bible School at Smyrna outside Tønsberg. In Re municipality, where the place was called Våler.

What made Helmersen so extra-radical and conservative was that he also believed that non-believers were 100% bound to their marriage vow, perhaps given the hangover and filling. What do we know? A person living in this world lives and walks in the dark.
Remembering very well when we argued against Helmersen, he became even more radical

The Scripture speaks, I clearly mean, that one cannot demand non-believers if and when they are saved that they will make up for themselves as one was a believer.

Scripture is clear to us believers.

1 Cor. 7. 10 The married I command, though not I, but the Lord, that a wife should not divorce her husband; 11 But if she is divorced from him, she will continue to be unmarried or reconciled to her husband - and that a man should not divorce his wife.

When it comes to a non-believer being saved, it applies to completely different scriptures. We read here

2 Cor. 5. 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature; the old is past, behold, everything has become new!

But here the Bible teacher went further than anyone else, he was simply as I see it today extremely radical and conservative.

But then he got divorced himself, then he turned around and changed Bible views in just a few steps. He was suddenly free to remarry, though he himself had pointed out the opposite even from the pulpit and through everything he said and did. For a hypocrite, deceiver and scoundrel I would say.

We know, for example. that Pastor Jan Aage Torp warned against the gays and lesbians in the strongest and most extreme word layers before he was even divorced. But when he divorced himself, it was free for Torp to even remarry with his former nanny as Todd Bentley did.

Here are people like Ivar Helmersen, Jan Aage Torp, Jan Hanvold and many, many others who confess Jesus' name. Condemning others, and that to both Hell and everything else. They themselves want all the grace they can get, but do not give it to anyone but themselves. There also plenty!

Scripture speaks of such here:

Room. 2. 1. Therefore you are without apology, man, whoever you are as a judge. For as you judge your neighbor, you condemn yourself; for you do the same, you who do judge; 2 But we know that the judgment of God, which the truth commandeth, is upon them that do such things. 3 But do you mean it, you human, you who judge those who do such, and even do it, that you should escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of his goodness and patience and longsuffering, and do not know that the goodness of God drives you to repentance? 5 By your hardness and your unrepentant heart you cease to be angry in the day of wrath, the day when the righteous judgment of God is revealed; He gives eternal life, 8 But those who are rebellious and disobedient to the truth, but obedient to the unrighteousness, shall be angry and angry. 9 Tribulation and anguish shall come upon every human soul who does evil, both Jew first and then Greek; 10 But glory and honor and peace shall be given to every one that doeth good, both Jew first and then Greek. 11 For God makes no difference to people:

Yes, God does not make a difference to people, especially those who judge others and otherwise live even as one likes oneself.

Matt. 7. 1. Do not judge, lest you be judged! for with the same judgment with which ye judge, ye shall be judged; 2 and with the same measure that ye judge, ye shall be measured again. 3 Why do you see the splinter in your brother's eye, but the beam in your own eye you do not become? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, Let me pull the splinter out of your eye? and behold, there is a beam in thine own eye! 5 You are hypocritical! first pull the beam out of your own eye, then you can see the splinter out of your brother's eye!

I wrote an article about this many years ago, which I eventually include.
Look here:

The Bible's most misunderstood and misinterpreted scripture by believers ?!

http://janchristensen.net/artiklerhoved.php?side=bibelens-mest-misforstaatte

Rom.7.1. Do not judge, lest you be judged! 2 EIf the judgment you are judging with, you will receive judgment yourself, and in the same measure that you measure yourself, it will also be measured up to you.
     3 Why do you see the tile in your brother's eye, but do you not notice the beam in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the tile out of your eye' when there is a beam in your own eye? 5 Your hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye! Then you will see clearly enough to take the tile out of your brother's eye.

I have heard countless times that one should not judge.

But is this what Jesus says? No!

What Jesus says is that one must first have clean flour in the bag itself. Only then is one entitled to judge, not before.

It also summarizes with several other scriptures. Jesus says about who should be called great in the kingdom of God. Matt.5. 19 He who abolishes one of these least commandments and teaches men to do so, shall be counted as the least in the kingdom of heaven. But he who keeps them and teaches others to do the same shall be counted as great in the kingdom of heaven.

Further in Matt.23.2 “On the chair of Moses sit the scribes and the Pharisees. 3 Therefore, whatever they say, do and do. But what they do, do not obey. Because they say one thing and do something else.

We first meet here that Jesus praises the people who teach as they preach as opposed to the Pharisees. Who preached right but who lived the opposite.

The entire scripture gives a unified testimony that we should judge, especially in the spiritual realm. We even have to judge angels as well.

But scripture, not least Jesus points out that the prerequisite for this is to live and walk in the light itself. Then one is allowed to point out other things as well. But it is in the saying; too much and too little spoils. This is how it is with everything, so we must also weigh our words carefully. But refusing to judge others is not the Bible's teaching. The word of God says in 1 Cor.2.5 But the man who has the Spirit can judge everything, and even it cannot be judged by anyone.

Whoever has the Spirit and walks in accordance with the Word of God can and should judge what is from God and in accordance with scripture and not. But it is also good to know in this context that we all look piecemeal and divided.

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