tirsdag 31. mars 2015

No. 915: All that one makes before being saved under the blood. Everything one does after salvation, must be held accountable for. Distinction from the day one is born again!



No. 915:
All that one makes before being saved under the blood. Everything one does after salvation, must be held accountable for. Distinction from the day one is born again!

We have had a discussion or conversation at the Heavenly blog regarding where to draw the line for what we are forgiven for regarding marriage. This is a big topic, so I'm going to write an article about this. But here's something excerpt for those opinions that are apparent. It is fully possible to join in the discussion and take this forward in preaching and discussion!

Photo of Stephen when he was stoned. Behind the image set we Apostle Paul who did the worst sins before he was saved. Should he made up for all the sins he did before salvation, he had been lagging behind. He helped to kill Christians and lead those in jail and everything else that was bad. Well and brand, before he was born again and accepted Christ on the road to Damascus in Syria featured in eg Acts 9

 Stefanus blir steinet

Anonymous said ...

    What about those who are re-married and have children? Is your clear advice to the couple ............... that they must differentiate themselves?

    28. March 2015 at. 20.09
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    What about those who are re-married and have children?

    Yes, the one to heaven, so one must walk the road that leads yours!

    Is your clear advice to the couple ............... .. they must differentiate themselves?

    What happened before was saved, one can not claim that one should be able to do something, then walked over in the dark.

    See here: Question 120:

    If a believer is remarried as Christians and was himself to blame for his adultery, but is re-married. What will he do when he sees and realizes that he has acted wrong?

    Answer:

    This is like choosing between plague and cholera questions. I think these things are very difficult to respond directly to the network when I do not know this fully.

    But by the word of God, so live believers who are re-married as believers in sin. When one can not just confess their sin, repent of it. Then I think that the only correct if it is entered into a marriage that is not right out from God's word that a walk out of this marriage. I know this is controversial for many, but it is not to perish worse?

    Actually, one who has remarried as believers even put themselves in this situation, therefore, and one should take its own devices. I know that many will give the advice that one Christian can remarry after a break anyway. But this is not the biblical teachings. I could have taken many scriptures but refers to what I \ we teach here on the blog and website of Smyrna Oslo.

    1 Cor. 7. 10 To those who are married, I have this rule, not from myself but from the Lord: A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

    Here, as elsewhere is the font ready. Whether reconcile or live solitary, has a done nothing at f. Ex to start a new relationship live one in adultery teaches God's word.

    Luke 16 18 Whoever separates himself from his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman who is divorced from her husband commits adultery (1930 spare.).

    I've written about Pastor Jan Hanvold sometimes. He has given his whole life story here at Radio 107.7 in Oslo so I know when to his statements and what he stands for. Then his new wife who is not his wife, be free to possibly marry again when the two do not live as believers married but living together and they commit adultery. If the new wife to divorce him as she should and should not have done and never have started a relationship with a divorced, which is to commit adultery.

    For me writing is very clear here, but teaching in most churches and denominations are so vague and diffuse. Indeed for long a coming out in the free church countryside, more unbiblical and unhealthy is the Christian preaching morality. Morality is not really the goal of salvation, that we should be good, responsible and wholehearted people. Here indeed the Free Church preaching played more falitt than what one finds out among Lutherans and Catholics.

    Conclusion:

    Remarriage for believers is a sin when both confess Jesus' name, whatever!

Initiates when a new relationship as a Christian, runs an adultery. Have one then it done, so shall and must repent by getting out of the relationship, even though it pains and consequences are very large. I understand that this is difficult, but Scripture says this, then I choose to relate rather to the word of God than anything else!

    Ezra 10 18 They found that these priestly sons had married foreign women: Maaseiah Eliezer Jarib and Gedaliah sons and brothers to Joshua son of Jehozadak. 44 All these had married foreign women, but now they sent from both wives and children.

    This made the children of Israel, untied invalid and unscriptural marriage. In fact, the God who would for approximately 2,500 years ago are likewise today, if one does not "rigorous" in the new covenant! The marriage of believers are at least a lifetime!
    It is not inconceivable that we should live as "real people" even in eternity?
    28. March 2015 at. 22.17
Anonymous said ...

    A concrete ppm: I myself was divorced in 2001, after my then wife was unfaithful. I was saved and gave my life to Jesus a mere year later. I have not married again. You mean I can it?
    28. March 2015 at. 22.55
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    Both yes and no! If she was cheating or not, it is not critical, when Jesus says we should forgive seventy times seven, ie infinite!

    Is it possible for you to go back to each other, so I would recommend it. And pray to God, then reconciliation is the very best.

    But you marry again, something I would recommend, and also believe it to have God's Spirit. So sins you do not then the divorce happened when you lived in darkness and served Satan and were subject to him!

    But as a child of God, is remarriage foreclosed!

    Expect resistance if you marry again, it must also bring in your "calculation".


    29. March 2015 at. 08.34
Anonymous said ...

    You say that it is ok to be married to a divorced just happens before being saved. Would not it natural that after salvation see that you live in adultery, and then separate.

    Find it strange that one can continue to sin, live in adultery just because sin happened before was saved. You say that to marry who divorced sin. It would have to be when when being saved. All who met Jesus heard: sin no more. If one is married to a divorced after one is saved then this sin. Likewise it is sin to continue to steal, lie, slander after they have accepted Jesus.
    30. March 2015 at. 08.28
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    Anonymous typing the following:
    You say that it is ok to be married to a divorced just happens before being saved. Would not it natural that after salvation see that you live in adultery, and then separate.

    No, any man who is unsaved are dead in their sins and transgressions, whatever.

    Find it strange that one can continue to sin, live in adultery just because sin happened before was saved. You say that to marry who divorced sin. It would have to be when you are saved. All who met Jesus heard: sin no more. If one is married to a divorced after one is saved then this sin. Likewise it is sin to continue to steal, lie, slander after they have accepted Jesus.

    Man does not live in adultery as unsaved really, but living in sin, constant.

    When one becomes a Christian, becomes a child of God and light bar. From then on we are responsible for everything that happens in the body and will get again within its judgment seat of Christ.
    30. March 2015 at. 16.06
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    Anonymous typing the following:
    You say that it is ok to be married to a divorced just happens before being saved. Would not it natural that after salvation see that you live in adultery, and then separate.

    No, any man who is unsaved are dead in their sins and transgressions, whatever.

    Find it strange that one can continue to sin, live in adultery just because sin happened before was saved. You say that to marry who divorced sin. It would have to be when you are saved. All who met Jesus heard: sin no more. If one is married to a divorced after one is saved then this sin. Likewise it is sin to continue to steal, lie, slander after they have accepted Jesus.

    Man does not live in adultery as unsaved really, but living in sin, constant.

    When one becomes a Christian, becomes a child of God and light bar. From then on we are responsible for everything that happens in the body and will get again within its judgment seat of Christ.
    30. March 2015 at. 16.06
Anonymous said ...

    An unsaved marries a divorced. Both take later accept Jesus as their savior. They read in the Bible that remarriage is sin. These should well stand? When the Bible says sin no more, so they must settle and separate. They will have to live in sin if they do not.
    30. March 2015 at. 19.18
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    I do not read the word of God so, what one does before being saved there is very little to do with. Apart from confessing their sin. But what was the sin before an accepted salvation? Everything, one wandered in darkness 24 hours a day and throughout the year!

    Jesus said these then. Go and sin no more. Sin no more!
    30. March 2015 at. 19.41
Anonymous said ...

    When you read enough mistakes. If remarriage is sin so something must be done with it, whether it happened before you came to faith. How can you live on as a Christian and knowing that it was a sin to marry? One can not just throw your arms and say 'I know I live in sin after God's word, but the marriage was contracted before I was saved, so therefore it's ok' to continue in sin. If remarriage is sin so that sin anyway. The Bible says that one can not continue to sin because sin began before was saved. Bible clearly says that we should stop sinning.
    30. March 2015 at. 23.00
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    Find now the words of Scripture on what you write, it lacks therefore no credible what you write!


    30. March 2015 at. 23.05
Anonymous said ...

    When one becomes a Christian, one must deal with sin. One is not allowed to sin further. It ought also apply for remarriage if this really is a sin. Clearly pity you do that unsaved will be forgiven, but forgiveness can not imply that one continues with the same sin after they are saved?
    30. March 2015 at. 23.07
Anonymous said ...

    Scripture has to be ready for any. One should not sin, and if one does, one must repent of sin and forgiveness. But you are not allowed to continue operating with the same sin. It must be obvious from the Bible.
    30. March 2015 at. 23.10
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    All that one did before being saved under the blood brief. After receiving salvation prepared we are responsible for everything we do, think and learn. Then we no longer darkness children, but the children of light!

    Fishing in the sea of ​​forgetfulness!

    30. March 2015 at. 23.14
Anonymous said ...

    If you've done a bad action against someone before was saved, then ask one person apologized after one has been saved. One gets forgiveness of competent and of God. That would have been quite wrong if one were to continue their ugly act because one is forgiven and it happened before was saved. This applies well all sin, even remarriage.
    30. March 2015 at. 23.16
Anonymous said ...

    No, oblivion apply for sins that one ends with. You say yourself that remarriage is wrong, thus continuing sin after they are saved.
    30. March 2015 at. 23.18
Anonymous said ...

    Do not forget the woman at the well. She was perhaps married man No. 5, but learned that he was not her husband.
    30. March 2015 at. 23.22
Anonymous said ...

    Pity located in oblivion ocean is closed. They will not continue on, so remarriage does.
    30. March 2015 at. 23.24
Anonymous said ...

    I believe in a loving and caring God. With far more love than many Bible readers who ride their hobby horses. I do not think God delights in that remarriage with children should stand. God cares for children and whether you say they live in adultery, then there is a greater sin against children that parents divorce. We must not become so obsessed with the question of remarriage that we set ourselves above God.
    30. March 2015 at. 23.30
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    Anonymous you rise above the word of God, therefore are you kidding!

    1.) The Bible says that humans are dead in their sins and transgressions, ie everything what one does as unsaved are not right in God's eyes. Ergo if one has zero, five or ten marriage or cohabitation as unsaved. So live one in sin. But of course, all this gets cleaned away the day they are saved.
    2.) But who saved lives one in the light and are alive in Christ Jesus. Ergo, all that one does set one responsible. The marriage of a believer will last and last a lifetime!
    3.) You can not expect that nonbelievers should live "a little" Christian, and the believers can then live a little "worldly" so that the contrasts are not so great if you are saved!
    4.) You mix biblical concepts and get a gospel out of it all is a mess!

    31 March 2015 at. 08.00
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    Anonymous you rise above the word of God, therefore are you kidding!

    This type is just spray: Anonymous said ...
    I believe in a loving and caring God. With far more love than many Bible readers who ride their hobby horses. I do not think God delights in that remarriage with children should stand. God cares for children and whether you say they live in adultery, then there is a greater sin against children that parents divorce. We must not become so obsessed with the question of remarriage that we set ourselves above God.

    Anyone who is re-married as believers if they have zero, five or ten children living in adultery. They can not continue as they have zero or ten children. When they go doomed!

    It then has nothing to do with children about a living in sin, that you come with is pure humanism and own thoughts, not God's word!

    Have a nice day anonymous!

    31 March 2015 at. 08.04
Anonymous said ...

    We agree that forgiveness of sins when one becomes a Christian. The salient point is what you do with sin after they are saved.
    I know several people who have tried to get their old spouse back after they were saved. They have interpreted it so this is right out of the Bible.
    But you say that it is ok to continue living in adultery. Your arguments do not hold, Christensen.
    31 March 2015 at. 08.26
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    Anonymous, you believe that if one has children, then one may still be married? But has no children, so one should live single?
    Then as believers!
    31 March 2015 at. 08.52
Anonymous said ...

    The peace of God that is correct as Jan Kåre says about marriage and divorce. I married in 98 were saved in 2006 my wife became deliver in 07. The old life is ours thrown into oblivion ocean. EXS Should I be partitioned now, I can not marry again.
There is no such thing as the innocent party. Can not go away from God only and distinguish me and marry me after own desires, I have experienced God's goodness I do not. Thinking of young people who live close to God experience this. Have not read it has not heard it been spoken from the pulpit I pray for them that God sees them. Because it does also depends on how far we have come on the road as new believers. The old has passed away see all things have become new.

God has forgotten we must forget it. Not fish after that. Do not listen to them from the pulpit. It is important and ask for forgiveness and repent. Do you know that you must forgive some of the old life then do it. But should a drug addict who has been saved after 30 years there so he would not get done otherwise. Finally standing on Jan Kåre there are many of my friends and churches that arise now and stand for truth, may God bless you all. Svein

    31 March 2015 at. 13.16
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...

    Thanks Svein.

    I understand you right that you agree with me regarding what has happened in the old life is under the blood. It is from the day we accept Jesus, being a Christian, that the Christian life is to "considered". By that I mean that if one is example. divorced and re-married in the world, so there is very little to do something about it often. But after salvation sets everything differently. When one can not separate and marry, but when goods marriage life, even if it were to go wrong for them?

    I mean at least that remarriage for believers is excluded, but before you are saved, then live one in the dark and it is completely unreasonable to demand of people who have lived in darkness that they should make up the same way as believers!


    31 March 2015 at. 13.26
Anonymous said ...

    Totally agree amen journeyman
    31 March 2015 at. 17.46

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