All that one makes before being saved under the blood.
Everything one does after salvation, must be held accountable for. Distinction
from the day one is born again!
We have had a discussion or conversation at the
Heavenly blog regarding where to draw the line for what we are forgiven for
regarding marriage. This is a big topic, so I'm going to write an article about
this. But here's something excerpt for those opinions that are apparent. It is
fully possible to join in the discussion and take this forward in preaching and
discussion!
Photo of Stephen when he was stoned. Behind the image
set we Apostle Paul who did the worst sins before he was saved. Should he made
up for all the sins he did before salvation, he had been lagging behind. He
helped to kill Christians and lead those in jail and everything else that was
bad. Well and brand, before he was born again and accepted Christ on the road
to Damascus in Syria featured in eg Acts 9
Anonymous said ...
What about
those who are re-married and have children? Is your clear advice to the couple
............... that they must differentiate themselves?
28. March
2015 at. 20.09
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
What about
those who are re-married and have children?
Yes, the one
to heaven, so one must walk the road that leads yours!
Is your
clear advice to the couple ............... .. they must differentiate
themselves?
What
happened before was saved, one can not claim that one should be able to do
something, then walked over in the dark.
See here:
Question 120:
If a
believer is remarried as Christians and was himself to blame for his adultery,
but is re-married. What will he do when he sees and realizes that he has acted
wrong?
Answer:
This is like
choosing between plague and cholera questions. I think these things are very
difficult to respond directly to the network when I do not know this fully.
But by the
word of God, so live believers who are re-married as believers in sin. When one
can not just confess their sin, repent of it. Then I think that the only
correct if it is entered into a marriage that is not right out from God's word
that a walk out of this marriage. I know this is controversial for many, but it
is not to perish worse?
Actually,
one who has remarried as believers even put themselves in this situation,
therefore, and one should take its own devices. I know that many will give the
advice that one Christian can remarry after a break anyway. But this is not the
biblical teachings. I could have taken many scriptures but refers to what I \
we teach here on the blog and website of Smyrna Oslo.
1 Cor. 7. 10
To those who are married, I have this rule, not from myself but from the Lord:
A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she depart, let her remain
unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his
wife.
Here, as
elsewhere is the font ready. Whether reconcile or live solitary, has a done
nothing at f. Ex to start a new relationship live one in adultery teaches God's
word.
Luke 16 18
Whoever separates himself from his wife and marries another woman commits
adultery, and whoever marries a woman who is divorced from her husband commits
adultery (1930 spare.).
I've written
about Pastor Jan Hanvold sometimes. He has given his whole life story here at
Radio 107.7 in Oslo so I know when to his statements and what he stands for. Then
his new wife who is not his wife, be free to possibly marry again when the two
do not live as believers married but living together and they commit adultery.
If the new wife to divorce him as she should and should not have done and never
have started a relationship with a divorced, which is to commit adultery.
For me
writing is very clear here, but teaching in most churches and denominations are
so vague and diffuse. Indeed for long a coming out in the free church
countryside, more unbiblical and unhealthy is the Christian preaching morality.
Morality is not really the goal of salvation, that we should be good,
responsible and wholehearted people. Here indeed the Free Church preaching
played more falitt than what one finds out among Lutherans and Catholics.
Conclusion:
Remarriage
for believers is a sin when both confess Jesus' name, whatever!
Initiates when a new relationship as a Christian, runs
an adultery. Have one then it done, so shall and must repent by getting out of
the relationship, even though it pains and consequences are very large. I
understand that this is difficult, but Scripture says this, then I choose to
relate rather to the word of God than anything else!
Ezra 10 18
They found that these priestly sons had married foreign women: Maaseiah Eliezer
Jarib and Gedaliah sons and brothers to Joshua son of Jehozadak. 44 All these
had married foreign women, but now they sent from both wives and children.
This made
the children of Israel, untied invalid and unscriptural marriage. In fact, the
God who would for approximately 2,500 years ago are likewise today, if one does
not "rigorous" in the new covenant! The marriage of believers are at
least a lifetime!
It is not inconceivable that we should live as
"real people" even in eternity?
28. March
2015 at. 22.17
Anonymous said ...
A concrete
ppm: I myself was divorced in 2001, after my then wife was unfaithful. I was
saved and gave my life to Jesus a mere year later. I have not married again.
You mean I can it?
28. March
2015 at. 22.55
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
Both yes and
no! If she was cheating or not, it is not critical, when Jesus says we should
forgive seventy times seven, ie infinite!
Is it
possible for you to go back to each other, so I would recommend it. And pray to
God, then reconciliation is the very best.
But you
marry again, something I would recommend, and also believe it to have God's
Spirit. So sins you do not then the divorce happened when you lived in darkness
and served Satan and were subject to him!
But as a
child of God, is remarriage foreclosed!
Expect
resistance if you marry again, it must also bring in your
"calculation".
29. March
2015 at. 08.34
Anonymous said ...
You say that
it is ok to be married to a divorced just happens before being saved. Would not
it natural that after salvation see that you live in adultery, and then
separate.
Find it
strange that one can continue to sin, live in adultery just because sin
happened before was saved. You say that to marry who divorced sin. It would
have to be when when being saved. All who met Jesus heard: sin no more. If one
is married to a divorced after one is saved then this sin. Likewise it is sin
to continue to steal, lie, slander after they have accepted Jesus.
30. March
2015 at. 08.28
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
Anonymous
typing the following:
You say that
it is ok to be married to a divorced just happens before being saved. Would not
it natural that after salvation see that you live in adultery, and then
separate.
No, any man
who is unsaved are dead in their sins and transgressions, whatever.
Find it
strange that one can continue to sin, live in adultery just because sin
happened before was saved. You say that to marry who divorced sin. It would
have to be when you are saved. All who met Jesus heard: sin no more. If one is
married to a divorced after one is saved then this sin. Likewise it is sin to
continue to steal, lie, slander after they have accepted Jesus.
Man does not
live in adultery as unsaved really, but living in sin, constant.
When one
becomes a Christian, becomes a child of God and light bar. From then on we are
responsible for everything that happens in the body and will get again within
its judgment seat of Christ.
30. March
2015 at. 16.06
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
Anonymous
typing the following:
You say that
it is ok to be married to a divorced just happens before being saved. Would not
it natural that after salvation see that you live in adultery, and then
separate.
No, any man
who is unsaved are dead in their sins and transgressions, whatever.
Find it
strange that one can continue to sin, live in adultery just because sin
happened before was saved. You say that to marry who divorced sin. It would
have to be when you are saved. All who met Jesus heard: sin no more. If one is
married to a divorced after one is saved then this sin. Likewise it is sin to
continue to steal, lie, slander after they have accepted Jesus.
Man does not
live in adultery as unsaved really, but living in sin, constant.
When one
becomes a Christian, becomes a child of God and light bar. From then on we are
responsible for everything that happens in the body and will get again within
its judgment seat of Christ.
30. March
2015 at. 16.06
Anonymous said ...
An unsaved
marries a divorced. Both take later accept Jesus as their savior. They read in
the Bible that remarriage is sin. These should well stand? When the Bible says
sin no more, so they must settle and separate. They will have to live in sin if
they do not.
30. March
2015 at. 19.18
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
I do not
read the word of God so, what one does before being saved there is very little
to do with. Apart from confessing their sin. But what was the sin before an
accepted salvation? Everything, one wandered in darkness 24 hours a day and
throughout the year!
Jesus said
these then. Go and sin no more. Sin no more!
30. March
2015 at. 19.41
Anonymous said ...
When you
read enough mistakes. If remarriage is sin so something must be done with it,
whether it happened before you came to faith. How can you live on as a
Christian and knowing that it was a sin to marry? One can not just throw your
arms and say 'I know I live in sin after God's word, but the marriage was
contracted before I was saved, so therefore it's ok' to continue in sin. If
remarriage is sin so that sin anyway. The Bible says that one can not continue
to sin because sin began before was saved. Bible clearly says that we should
stop sinning.
30. March
2015 at. 23.00
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
Find now the
words of Scripture on what you write, it lacks therefore no credible what you
write!
30. March
2015 at. 23.05
Anonymous said ...
When one
becomes a Christian, one must deal with sin. One is not allowed to sin further.
It ought also apply for remarriage if this really is a sin. Clearly pity you do
that unsaved will be forgiven, but forgiveness can not imply that one continues
with the same sin after they are saved?
30. March
2015 at. 23.07
Anonymous said ...
Scripture
has to be ready for any. One should not sin, and if one does, one must repent
of sin and forgiveness. But you are not allowed to continue operating with the
same sin. It must be obvious from the Bible.
30. March 2015
at. 23.10
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
All that one
did before being saved under the blood brief. After receiving salvation
prepared we are responsible for everything we do, think and learn. Then we no
longer darkness children, but the children of light!
Fishing in
the sea of forgetfulness!
30. March
2015 at. 23.14
Anonymous said ...
If you've
done a bad action against someone before was saved, then ask one person
apologized after one has been saved. One gets forgiveness of competent and of
God. That would have been quite wrong if one were to continue their ugly act
because one is forgiven and it happened before was saved. This applies well all
sin, even remarriage.
30. March
2015 at. 23.16
Anonymous said ...
No, oblivion
apply for sins that one ends with. You say yourself that remarriage is wrong,
thus continuing sin after they are saved.
30. March
2015 at. 23.18
Anonymous said ...
Do not
forget the woman at the well. She was perhaps married man No. 5, but learned
that he was not her husband.
30. March
2015 at. 23.22
Anonymous said ...
Pity located
in oblivion ocean is closed. They will not continue on, so remarriage does.
30. March
2015 at. 23.24
Anonymous said ...
I believe in
a loving and caring God. With far more love than many Bible readers who ride
their hobby horses. I do not think God delights in that remarriage with
children should stand. God cares for children and whether you say they live in
adultery, then there is a greater sin against children that parents divorce. We
must not become so obsessed with the question of remarriage that we set
ourselves above God.
30. March
2015 at. 23.30
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
Anonymous
you rise above the word of God, therefore are you kidding!
1.) The
Bible says that humans are dead in their sins and transgressions, ie everything
what one does as unsaved are not right in God's eyes. Ergo if one has zero,
five or ten marriage or cohabitation as unsaved. So live one in sin. But of
course, all this gets cleaned away the day they are saved.
2.) But who
saved lives one in the light and are alive in Christ Jesus. Ergo, all that one
does set one responsible. The marriage of a believer will last and last a
lifetime!
3.) You can
not expect that nonbelievers should live "a little" Christian, and
the believers can then live a little "worldly" so that the contrasts
are not so great if you are saved!
4.) You mix
biblical concepts and get a gospel out of it all is a mess!
31 March
2015 at. 08.00
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
Anonymous
you rise above the word of God, therefore are you kidding!
This type is
just spray: Anonymous said ...
I believe in
a loving and caring God. With far more love than many Bible readers who ride
their hobby horses. I do not think God delights in that remarriage with
children should stand. God cares for children and whether you say they live in
adultery, then there is a greater sin against children that parents divorce. We
must not become so obsessed with the question of remarriage that we set ourselves
above God.
Anyone who
is re-married as believers if they have zero, five or ten children living in
adultery. They can not continue as they have zero or ten children. When they go
doomed!
It then has
nothing to do with children about a living in sin, that you come with is pure
humanism and own thoughts, not God's word!
Have a nice
day anonymous!
31 March
2015 at. 08.04
Anonymous said ...
We agree
that forgiveness of sins when one becomes a Christian. The salient point is
what you do with sin after they are saved.
I know
several people who have tried to get their old spouse back after they were
saved. They have interpreted it so this is right out of the Bible.
But you say
that it is ok to continue living in adultery. Your arguments do not hold,
Christensen.
31 March
2015 at. 08.26
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
Anonymous,
you believe that if one has children, then one may still be married? But has no
children, so one should live single?
Then as
believers!
31 March
2015 at. 08.52
Anonymous said ...
The peace of
God that is correct as Jan Kåre says about marriage and divorce. I married in
98 were saved in 2006 my wife became deliver in 07. The old life is ours thrown
into oblivion ocean. EXS Should I be partitioned now, I can not marry again.
There is no such thing as the innocent party. Can not
go away from God only and distinguish me and marry me after own desires, I have
experienced God's goodness I do not. Thinking of young people who live close to
God experience this. Have not read it has not heard it been spoken from the
pulpit I pray for them that God sees them. Because it does also depends on how
far we have come on the road as new believers. The old has passed away see all
things have become new.
God has forgotten we must forget it. Not fish after
that. Do not listen to them from the pulpit. It is important and ask for
forgiveness and repent. Do you know that you must forgive some of the old life
then do it. But should a drug addict who has been saved after 30 years there so
he would not get done otherwise. Finally standing on Jan Kåre there are many of
my friends and churches that arise now and stand for truth, may God bless you
all. Svein
31 March
2015 at. 13.16
Jan Kåre Christensen said ...
Thanks
Svein.
I understand
you right that you agree with me regarding what has happened in the old life is
under the blood. It is from the day we accept Jesus, being a Christian, that
the Christian life is to "considered". By that I mean that if one is
example. divorced and re-married in the world, so there is very little to do
something about it often. But after salvation sets everything differently. When
one can not separate and marry, but when goods marriage life, even if it were
to go wrong for them?
I mean at
least that remarriage for believers is excluded, but before you are saved, then
live one in the dark and it is completely unreasonable to demand of people who
have lived in darkness that they should make up the same way as believers!
31 March
2015 at. 13.26
Anonymous said ...
Totally
agree amen journeyman
31 March 2015 at. 17.46
Related
Links: http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2012/01/nr-231-pastor-and-apostle-jan-aage-torp.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/11/nr-122-remarriage-is-touchstone-of.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/10/nr-71-emanuel-minos-had-gone-from-being.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/11/nr-122-remarriage-is-touchstone-of.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2011/10/nr-71-emanuel-minos-had-gone-from-being.html
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