Nr. 613: What is right about the Godhead!

Nr. 613:

What is right about the Godhead!

It is really Emperor Constantine "profits" that Christianity rejected the biblical doctrines concerning God . At a council held in Nicaea year 325, Emperor Constantine forced through the delegates would accept the Trinity , which then consisted of father , mother and son. The Holy Ghost was first made to a person incorporated in the Trinity at a synod in Constantinople 381 years Mary is buried at Ephesus in Turkey assumption respectively

I feel that you are constantly going back to the term " triad - god ," and claims that it is the large part of Christendom believe. Here I think you make a mistake . I am sure that Jesus did not believe in a triad - god , where he was No. 2 in the series . Neither do I . But I believe in the Triune God , and that is something else entirely. If you believe in a triad - god is believed in three gods , if you believe in the Triune God, have faith in one God in three persons . There are three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They have the same nature , and is therefore one God . Classic Christianity is faith in the Triune God , and not in a triad - god , as you claim .

Jørn

Firstly Jorn , the Trinity as you describe I can not find coverage in the word of God . Just that in itself should be enough to dismiss what you claim that there are three equal persons or God in a common deity . As I see it based on the word of God. So there is only one that can call themselves as the only true God , it is God the Father . And he has a son - the only begotten or chosen one if you want - it is Christ Jesus. They have a common spirit that is not a person with a name , then on the basis of Scripture and to use words that make this understandable.

First, let's stop with the Holy Spirit. For me , it is the Holy Spirit a part of God , BUT NOT A SELF - PERSON ! We find in scripture that God is Spirit. Man is spirit , and Satan and the Antichrist has a common spirit as God the Father and Jesus Christ have it. Note that when the Spirit is mentioned , it is never , never by name, only with properties .

You write : " I ​​believe in the Triune God." It does not know, but to give you some straight, then I think that we should meet two people when we get to the New Jerusalem or home to heaven . Or to describe this in more detail , God tronesal . This is from what the prophet Daniel saw .

Daniel 7 9 As I watched this , thrones were set up , and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow , and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was flames of fire , and his wheels as burning fire . 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him , and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him : the judgment was set, and the books were opened . 11 As I watched this , the animal was killed for the great words which the horn spake guilt , and its body was destroyed and thrown into the fire to burn . 12 The other animal dominion was taken away from them , because their life was settled and pray . 13 I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven and came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him . 14 And there was given him dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages ​​should serve him : his dominion is an everlasting dominion , which shall not pass away , and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed .

Before I write here about the Trinity , so leg noticed that the destruction was for the Antichrist following in verse 11 , " its body was destroyed and thrown into the fire to burn ." Destruction is to be thrown into the fire , burn and then be destroyed .

I have written many articles about this subject, take two here, they have written a few years ago :

The Holy Spirit is not a person!

Psalm 139 1 To korlederen . A psalm of David . Lord , You have searched me and known me. 2 When I sit or stand, you know it, far away makes you my thoughts . 3 If I walk or lie , you see it , you know all my ways . 4 Yes , before I have a word on my tongue , do you know , O Lord , fully and completely. 5 From the rear and front enclose me , you have laid your hand upon me. 6 It is marvelous to understand , It is so loud that I can not comprehend it . 7 Whither shall I go from thy Spirit , where shall I flee from thy presence ? 8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there; I make my bed in Sheol , you are there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning on and strike me down where the sea ends 10 then leads to me also there, your right hand and hold me tight . 11 And I say , "Let the darkness cover me and the light around me become night , " 12 That is not dark dark for you, and the night is bright as the day , Yes, darkness is as light. 13 For you created my inmost being , you knit me together in my mother's womb . 14 I praise you because I am created the terrifying and wonderfully made . During your works are wonderful , I know that full well . 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in secret and was formed in the depths of the earth . 16 You saw me at the time I was a fetus , in your book were all written up ; My days were formed before one of them came . 17 O God , how high your thoughts are , the very sum of them! 18 If I should count them , they are countless as the sand, I get done with it , I am still with you . Here we meet the Spirit of God , and He is present everywhere, except in a wicked and sinful heart. It is the only place the Holy Spirit is not present, but everywhere else in the universe. When doing God's Spirit to a second God is fable and not stick to biblical truth and the real truth . When will the Spirit of God in your heart ? When we repent. Rooms . 2 28 Straight Jew is not the one who is a Jew in the outer and the right circumcision in the outer , on the body. 29 Jew is the Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is circumcision of the heart , not by the letter but by the Spirit. He gets his praise of God , not of men . Then the Spirit also present there, when we accept Jesus as our personal Savior and deputy ! As I see it, and that the Bible teaches , then the Spirit of God present everywhere. We see God in nature and in its creation. We saw and sees his advantage everywhere and how he is , he is also the origin of all creation. The sun can not heat the whole earth , it needs only down about . 1 km. But there is a volcanic mountain that goes through all the earth to warm up the rest so that it is fish and other plants in deeper water than 1 km down , is not God great ? How can we say that the Holy Spirit is a person? But when it comes to the antichrist spirit that also works? When we understand that there is a person we are dealing with , but a Spirit and a mental activity that gets people to think and act in a direction that is consistent with the Ondes will! But we believe in the Holy Spirit , but then, as God's active force. That the Catholic Church began to acquire the Holy Spirit which we are biblically coverage , it should make us realize that this is the doctrine of the Trinity is a delusion . But let us could not miss the blessing it is to experience God's power and truth of God in their lives. Just wish to include some thoughts here about conditions at Trinity : God is Jesus' father. Luke tells of the angel Gabriel's message to the Virgin Mary : " Behold, you shall conceive and bear a son , and shalt call his name Jesus. He will be great and called the Son of the Highest . Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: . " ( Luk.1 ; 31-32 ) .

And again we read, " And Mary said to the angel : How shall this be, seeing I know not a man ? Angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee , and the power of the Highest will overshadow you. Therefore, also that holy thing which shall be born called the Son of God . " ( v.34 -35 ) . According to the Trinity , the Holy Spirit, the third person in this doctrine. But if the Spirit is a person, has to be the father of Jesus . The angel gives a clear presentation of what the Holy Spirit is " the power of the Highest " . It was God who by His power leads to the fact that Jesus was born as the Son of God . Martin Luther and several other reformers reformed not thorough enough , but was still under the influence of some false doctrines of the Roman church. But Bible readers after the Reformation claimed that the Trinity is contrary both to Scripture and to reason.

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At a council held in Nicaea year 325, Emperor Constantine forced through the delegates would accept the Trinity , which then consisted of father , mother and son. The Holy Ghost was first made to a person incorporated in the Trinity at a synod in Constantinople 381 years Maria was also taken out of the Trinity , and proclaimed to be the " queen of heaven " . This explains the Catholic Church's culture of Mary as " Mother of God " .

In 1950-51 proclaimed that same Church Feast of the Assumption , an unfair and untrue claim as a world verdsligjort not reacted so far we are from our standpoint in Norway know. Church History tells us that the Christian world in the time of Constantine was heavily influenced by Greek philosophy in several areas , while it was willing to accommodate pagan beliefs to make Christianity more appealing to the great masses .

The Catholic claim

A large part of the Christian world believe in the Catholic claim that belief in the Trinity is a prerequisite for salvation . Let us look at what this doctrine is all about : " God is one and yet three , three and one dog , three persons in one substance. Everyone is equally eternal , just as powerful and all-knowing . Jesus is true God from everlasting to everlasting . " This formulation lacks both common sense and logic. A son can be of very obvious reasons not be as old as his father , and therefore not as eternal . Psalm 2 is a prophecy about Jesus: " You are my son , I have borne [ Hebrew : bred , brought ] you today " ( verse 7) .

In 5th Mos.18 18 allows God to Moses predict : " A prophet will I raise up for them by their brethren , like unto thee [ Moses ] . " When this prophecy was fulfilled to Peter in his speech in Jerusalem point to this promise ( Ap.gj.3 ; 22).

Father and Son are two persons, tell Jesus : " But in your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true. I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. " ( Joh.8 ; 17.18 ) . The first assertion of the Trinity : "everyone is equally eternal ," can not be right.

The second assertion of the Trinity : "everyone is equally powerful ," can not be right, for Jesus says " the Father is greater than I " ( Joh.14 ; 28), "I can do nothing of myself " (John 5 , 19 and 30).

The third claim: " all are equal omniscient " , contrary to Jesus' words, for his briefing on the end times : " But that day or hour no one knows , not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. " (Mark 13 : 32 ) .

Father and Jesus are two people. The Holy Spirit is no person but the Father executive power. No one can see the Father : " He who alone is immortal and who lives in a light where no one can come, whom no man hath seen, nor can see. " ( 1 Tim.6 16 ) . To convey touch with the people , God revealed Himself in the Scriptures through the angels , who acted and spoke for God , and is often referred to as the " master " . The three men who came to Abraham in 1 Mos.kap.18 to tell him about Sodom and Gomorrah impending destruction, was not " a triune god" , but three angels.

Jesus is God 's revelation : " God manifest in the flesh " (1 Tim.3 16 ) . Therefore , Jesus could say, " He who has seen Me has seen the Father " ( Joh.14 ; 9). And Jesus revealed God by displaying the attributes of God in word and deed : "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. " ( Joh.17 , 4) . " He humbled himself and became obedient to death - even death on the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name . " ( Phil.2 0.8 to 9 ) . He had completed the task the Father had given him , and was raised from death. Therefore, he was given all power in heaven and on earth , and could give this mission and the command to baptize : " ... I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth Go therefore and make disciples of all nations , baptizing them Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you ... " ( Mt.28 , 18-20 ) .

Jesus had taught and worked in his Father's name. Now Jesus commanded His disciples to preach in his name and with his authority. Jesus' followers would do the works of Jesus , who was also the Father . To get the power and wisdom of this , they of the Holy Spirit. Disciples works requires both the Father and the Spirit's involvement. Jesus' mission and the command to baptize is therefore not an invitation to baptism in the Triune God's name . It is Jesus ' name we are baptized to , it is only Jesus' saving work that made this possible. And Jesus is with those who are baptized by their promise ! But we also want to keep the Spirit's properties . They are important but we must still let the word - the word of God - be decisive. Here some aspects of God's Spirit, the Holy Spirit drives us to Christ , Rom.8 , 14 It is a gift that we have received through faith in him . The Holy Spirit can not draw with paper and pencil or the power of the human intellect. Therefore, we can not perfectly " imagine " the Holy Spirit. He is not a hypothetical construct that can be made with our thought . It is only through the Scriptures draw pictures of Him and through the work of the Spirit performs that we learn to recognize the Spirit .

When the " old" spoke of the Spirit , provided they like to highlight three aspects of the Spirit as clearly defined in Scripture :

The term " advocate " corresponds to a lawyer functions primarily as a defender , but also comfort and help . This aspect of the Holy Spirit is unfortunately not always been as strongly emphasized in the ministry , either in the Lutheran Free Church or context. Or we can also say that he completes us as it says about the Holy Spirit in Rom. 8 26th

Secondly, Scripture speaks of the Holy Spirit is the only spirit that seems fellowship with the Father and the Son . Strongest is this expressed in the apostolic blessing : " Our Lord Jesus Christ grace , God's love and the Holy Spirit be with you all ." And finally Scripture speaks of the Holy Spirit as " power" from on high , Luk.24 , 49, and this force clothed the Christian to service. In order to have an overall picture of the Holy Spirit , it is important that these three pages from Scripture emphasis on preaching .

Why did God give us the Holy Ghost ?

Because it was going to witness with our spirit that we are children of God , help us with faith and assurance of salvation , Rom.8 , 16

Because the Holy Spirit would dwell in us , 1 Kor.3 , 16

What is the Holy Spirit works? Answer: They are many and significant . The Holy Spirit awakens to repentance , penance and confession , Luk.15 0.17 to 19 . The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, righteousness and judgment , of what is due sin in our lives ( unbelief ) and the righteous deeds of Jesus for our salvation , Joh.16 0.8 to 13 . The Holy Spirit will guide us and guide us into all truth , Johs . 16.20 . The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus reminds us of what he has said and explained it to us , John 15 , 26 - Joh.14 , 26 The Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus for us and lets us see His greatness , Johs . 16.14 . The Holy Spirit leads us into the faith fight and try to purify our faith as gold tried in the fire, Matt.4 , 1 - 1 Pet.1 , 7 The Holy Spirit teaches us to pray ( ref. Prayer Spirit ) , Gal.4 , 6 - Rom.8 0.26 to 27 . The Holy Spirit creates faith Gal.4 , 6 - Rom.10 , 17 The Holy Spirit testifies to us of divine filiation , Rom.8 , 15 The Holy Spirit creates love, Rom. 8.1 to 27 . The Holy Spirit quickens us with Christ , Joh.6 , 63 The Holy Spirit empowers believers to a deed which they can perform with its own power 1 Kor.2 , 4 The Holy Spirit is the true head of the Church of God in church and chapel , Joh.14 0.16 to 18 . The Holy Spirit will even transform our body of humiliation to its becoming Jesus' glorious body , 1 Kor.15 , 43 and Rom.8 , 10 Conclusion : Without the Holy Spirit - no faith, no contact with God , no Christian life.

How do we as the Holy Spirit ?

God's Spirit works with the Word as a medium. It is the Spirit who creates faith by preaching and reading of God's Word. See Rom. 10.17 and Gal.3 , 2 We receive the Holy Spirit by asking for it, Luk.11 , 13 We receive the Holy Spirit by hearing and believing , Ap.G.8 0.14 to 17 and Gal.3 , 2 We receive the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, Ap.G.8 0.14 to 17 . Is it necessary for us to be filled with the Spirit ? Our strength as Christians are relative to the Spirit's dominion over us. God's kingdom following are relative to how we allow the Holy Spirit working among us. We could not ask for victory in life and ministry without prayer Spirit. Word sword will not pierce without the Spirit's power. We automaker nothing in the kingdom of God without the Holy Spirit. We are born of the Spirit Jn . e 4 14 But whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst. The water that I shall give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life. "This is the source of salvation . We are baptized in the Spirit Jn . e 7 37 On the last day of the feast , the great day , Jesus stood up and shouted : " Whoever is thirsty , let him come to me and drink! 38 He that believeth on me , out of his belly shall , as the Scripture has said, the flow rivers of living water. " 39 He said this about the Spirit, those who believed in him were to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet taken part in glory . This stream of living water is spiritual baptism . Have tried briefly to explain the importance of the Holy Spirit - God's active force - and could not make the Holy Spirit a second God, but the Spirit which goes out from the Father and the Son ! The Holy Spirit does not have a willingness to speak. We will neither ask nor worship the Holy Spirit as it is not a person who both Trinity teachers and Jesus alone claims in their own way . Spirit's task is to convey everything from the Father and the Son , then preferably to us. Joh. AD 16 14 He shall glorify me , for he will take what is mine and declare it to you . 15 All that the Father hath are mine . Therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you . That we can make the Holy Spirit and awaken joy in him , so do we with our own spirit . Words like sticking an awl and they seem happy, how then? Of course in our spirit and inner man . We must not fable and faith in the Catholic lie that the Holy Spirit is a person. But it is God the Father and God the Son, common Spirit sent from them to give us what heaven brings and offers ! ( end of quote ) .

God is "to agree" !

Ap.gj.17 . 29 Being then the offspring of God , we must not think that the divine being is like an image of gold or silver or stone , fashioned by human art and thought .

This scripture is as far as I know the only thing that mentions the deity of the Bible (next Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily ) . Who is it ? And what a testimony God gives himself about himself ? Having been a Christian for 30 years so I understand that much of what we engages with the church policy and much else that has to bring us forward in the spirit realm . But so are many other things in life. Remember when I was a kid and played football with friends for hours was many times the finest time football kicking. Eventually, when one would drive it organized so everything was so streamlined and controlled.

But such is progress and it must just accept.

So it is with the development of the " doctrine " of the deity in which the Trinity is strongest , but Jesus only doctrine think too many of. When we try to get some insight on this too clean history , you will understand that this " dogma " is reached over time , we can not find the word trinity in the Bible even once . For many, this is shock to hear, but it is fact . Much of today's Christianity is the result of several church meetings ( an assembly of representatives from the church) . The first was held in Nicaea in 325 After the separation between the Western Church and the Orthodox in 1054 , it has not been possible to hold meetings in which all Christendom has been collected . Various Christian "society " ( Protestants , Catholics, Orthodox , etc. ) accept the results of the various meetings , making their faith a little different from each other . At such meetings, the decisions of the Trinity , which gospels to include in the Bible , etc. , have been taken ( not sure about consensus or majority decisions was the prevalent ) . Possibly it was a good deal of lobbying and threats too.

At the Council of Nicaea in 325 , a solution of a "two consensus " with God and Jesus promoted . The Christian doctrine of the Trinity was first developed at the Council of Constantinople in 381

Trinity can get back to the ancient mythologies that existed long before Christianity. Eg . Egyptian. Osiris , Isis and Horus . Many of the elements of Christianity are taken from earlier religions , including in the process of introducing a new religion became part feasts , symbols , etc. "adopted " in order to ease the transition for those who are not quite willing got a new religion. It was apparently also an option to decide that the Trinity consisted of God , Jesus and the Virgin Mary. It struck the fort itself because it would be too controversial with a female member of the Trinity .

But what is it about the Trinity and Jesus only doctrine is wrong ?

Much !

Firstly, to believe in a God who is either Trinitarian or shows itself in different ways , it was God who died on the cross . It does not teach the Bible , it was the human Jesus who died . It is only the Father who is from everlasting son has gone out from him and got the same kind of glory in his pre-existence . It let him off for being you and me equal , and died not as God, but as a human being . So he cried out on the cross . Matt . 27th 45 From the sixth hour was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. 46 At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, " Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani ? " It means , "My God, my God , why have you forsaken me ? " Moreover, it is totally against the biblical representation to make the Holy Spirit a second god or a second person in the Godhead .

The Holy Spirit is part of God as my and your spirit is a part of us.

This is where so many are wrong. But at the same time as Jesus after the resurrection in some form has become a part of God or deity. Jesus is a person adjacent to the Father, but it is not the Holy Spirit. Let me mention three passages where we see the Father and the Son together yet as two separate people the people who saw them also perceived that way.

You can read John . opening . 5 and Acts 7 when Stephen saw the Father and Jesus.

We read in Daniel 7 9 Furthermore, I : Thrones were set up , and the Ancient of days did sit . His clothes were white as snow and the hair of his head like pure wool. His throne was flaming hats, and its wheels were burning lamp . 10 A stream of fire issued forth, and it went out in front of him . Thousand thousands ministered unto him , ten thousand , even tens of thousands stood before him . The court was seated and the books were opened . 11 As I watched this , the animal was killed for horn speaking great things. The body was destroyed and thrown into the fire to burn . 12 The other animals were deprived of their sovereignty , time and time appointed for their lifetime. 13 Moreover, I saw in the night visions : Behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man . He approached the Ancient of Days and was presented to him. 14 He was given dominion and glory and kingdom ; peoples and tribes with different languages ​​, all nations shall serve him . His dominion is an everlasting dominion , it shall not pass away ; His kingdom is never perish.

The Ancient of Days is the Father and the Son of Man is Jesus. It is to me very clearly and obviously the basis of God's word and my experience of we have to do with two people. This is what the apostle John also says in his 1st letter . And the first chapter V. 3 That which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you , that ye should have fellowship with us, we have fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

But what about the Holy Spirit ? Firstly, this is a Spirit that is Holy ! Who is it to reality ? God the Father himself , and after Jesus' resurrection and ascension , even himself. Acts 2 33 He was exalted to the right hand of God and received of the Father the Holy Spirit that was promised to us, and poured it. This is what you see and hear.

What does it say about God? That he is a Spirit more seats .

Joh.e. 4 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth . "

Therefore, we must not detach the Holy Spirit of God , much less make him a person. We as believers have received something from God in our lives and hearts. It is the Holy Spirit, it is God himself who then dwells in our inner being , our spirit. 1 Joh.b. 4 13 The fact that we abide in him and he in us , we know because he has given us of his Spirit. But this also says Jesus , the Holy Spirit will be sent. But he and the Father who dwells in us.

Joh.e. 14th 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them , he it is who loves me. And he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father . I too will love him and manifest myself to him . " 22 Judas, not Iscariot , said to him:" Lord, what is it that you will manifest yourself to us and not to the world ? " 23 Jesus replied :

Whoever loves me will keep my word , and my Father will love him , and We will come to him and make our home with him . 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 These things have I told you while I was still with you . 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit , whom the Father will send in my name , he shall teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. We read several places in God's word that it is the Father by his own Spirit who dwells in us both now and the same Spirit to be in us forever . Eph. 4 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all . 1 Cor . 15th 28 And when so everything is subject to him shall the Son also himself be subject to the God who put all things under him , that God may be all in all. God may be all in all both in time and in eternity long. But is this so important? I think that both those who believe in Jesus only doctrine and unbiblical doctrine of the Trinity can be saved . But I like to go straight on the road with him and always let his words and truth will be decisive. Heb . 13th 18 Pray for us ! for we trust us that we have a good conscience , and willing to live in all things . Why go and believe and defend a doctrine is wrong and unbiblical teaching such as Jesus alone and the Trinity ? Jesus was not God when He walked upon the earth, and He was God from all eternity with the Father. Jesus has a beginning and are gone out from the Father , and he was 100 % dependent on the Holy Spirit when He was on earth in 33 1 \ 2 years. Acts 10th 38 namely, that Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and power , and he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him . It is a two agreements but a trinity in the sense that the Father and the Son have a common spirit and power. Here it is right that the Holy Spirit is the power and not a person. I could have written about this topic for 100 hours and even had it been much more to write .

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