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Dead god or a perfect man on Calvary ? What does the bible?!
Hey !
This is my second question: Did the God of Calvary or did not he ?
Bard
You ask the following : " God died on Calvary or did not he ? ".
Realize that you are interested in this, but to explain some of the reasons why this problem shows up then it relates to an old heresy , introduced to the Catholic church and the church meetings they had in the next one hundred years in which a left biblical faith and sound doctrine in the very most , and new teacher who is not biblical arrived. One of the teachings that then emerged was the so-called Trinity where a rejected the first bid :
2 Numbers 20 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Who is this God ? It is the only true God, as Jesus himself said , not himself or a soaring spirit .
Joh. AD 17 3 And this is life eternal , that they might know thee the only true God, whom you sent , Jesus Christ.
Isaiah said this :
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God , and no other , I am God , and there is none like me ,
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD , and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me and understand that I am he : before me there was no God formed , and after me there shall be no .
This is God the Father spoken of , no other Bard .
The Apostle Paul also says that only God the Father is the one true God who is immortal , and thus we can conclude that it was not God who died on Calvary , but the man Jesus Christ.
1 Tim . 1 17 Now to the King eternal , immortal , invisible, the only God , be honor and glory forever and ever ! Amen .
Jesus himself said of Calvary that my God why have you forsaken me :
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli ! Eli ! lama sabachthani ? that is , My God ! My God ! why have you forsaken me ?
After the resurrection, Jesus said that he went to his God and Father:
Joh 8:17 p.m. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father : but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend up unto my Father and your Father , to my God and your God !
Jesus had a body of God the Father, which was formed in Mary's stomach, unless she had been with a man and got cum in it that is the common birth , but God let something of themselves in Mary's stomach why Jesus was being sacred. This is the closest we can say that God died on Calvary , but it was not God who died , but the only perfect , holy man who walked on this earth , man Christ Jesus !
Luke 1:35 And the angel said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee , and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee : therefore also that holy thing to being born , is called the Son of God .
The question was : Did the god or a perfect man on Calvary ?
Let 's be very clear , it was not the one true God who died on Calvary when he is the only one with immortality , but the man Jesus Christ Bard and the rest of you who are reading this.
1 Tim . 2 5 For there is one God and one mediator rocks of God and men, the man Christ Jesus , 6 who gave himself a ransom for all , a testimony in his time.
This is from my commentaries Revelation 3 14 To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen , the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God 's creation:
Laodicea was in Lykosdalen , not far from the beautiful limestone rock Pamukkale and Hierapolis ruins town ( the dead) . This is near the modern city Denizli , which is especially known for textile production of cotton. At the foot of the mountains in the distance that can be seen from the hill Pamukkale is on , lay the old colossus .
Furthermore, it presents Jesus as Amen , who is the fulfillment of all the promises of God . He is the only 100 % true faithful witness.
Furthermore , the beginning of God's creation , or as it says in the English
translation , the beginning of the creation of God . In Norwegian , the beginning
of God's creation. In other words, Jesus is not from everlasting of the Father , but
He is the Son , not the Father . Yet he is like his father .
There are two views prevailing among most Christians as unbiblical
concerning God or Deity .
One doctrine that the starting points are Hellenistic and Catholic are three equal
Gods in one God. The second is that there are three titles in a God . But this did not learn the first Christians and the Bible .
1 Cor . 8 5 There are enough so-called gods in heaven or on earth, it 's many " gods " and many "lords" . 6 But to us there is but one God , the Father . By Him are all things , and we are made to him . And for us there is one Lord , Jesus Christ. Through him all things , and we live through him .
Of all the churches and congregations are actually the Christian sect Jehovah's Witnesses almost
God's word at this point . This is from what they learn : Jehovah's Witnesses believe that
Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Savior of mankind . He was created by the Father
and is separated from him. They are therefore opposed the doctrine of the Trinity (God , Jesus and
the Holy Spirit in one and the same being ) . Jehovah's Witnesses believe instead that Jesus is
subordinate to God. The Holy Spirit is not considered to be a person , but God
active force or energy. Witnesses writes thus "holy spirit " with small
letters. Adding that in the original text reads: Holy Spirit. This means that the
is a Spirit that is Holy . Not a separate " god person " but God and the Spirit of Christ .
We do not see it as strange that the JV is closest to the truth here, but rather
humbly submit to God's word.
Moody said the following : There are three things I will be surprised when I come to
Heaven .
1 ) That I am there.
2 ) The fact that I expected to be there is not.
3 ) The ones I did not expect to see there is there.
There is much wisdom and insight. All we see bits and pieces though God
Word is clear!
Mika says the same thing in Chapter 5 and v. 1 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah ,
the least among the clans of Judah !
From you I let a man
who will be ruler over Israel.
He has its origins in ancient times ,
He is from ancient days.
And Trinity is selvmotsiggende and unbiblical . Let me take an example .
1 Joh. b 4 3 And every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not of God . This is the antichrist , which you have heard was coming . And it is already in the world .
Here it is mentioned that the antichrist spirit in the world but not the Antichrist. So it is with Jesus. His Spirit - the Holy Spirit - are in the world , but he personally sits at the Father's right hand. In other words, is the antichrist spirit in the world and Jesus Kristi Spirit likewise. But why does a different ones on the Antichrist and Jesus? Suddenly one there that his own Spirit is God's own fantasy person.
Where is this from, even among evangelical Christians?
Actually, the Trinity an ancient Egyptian and Hellenistic . Continued as a Catholic learn from approx . 390 AD But that will stick to this I can not do anything , just to keep the word of God. ( end of quote ) .
Final comment :
Here an article I wrote on this subject a few years ago, sure used some words and phrases differently today , but read , we are all along the way :
Dead God on the cross ? Who died on Calvary ?
1 Tim . 1 17 He who is King forever , immortal , invisible, the only God , to whom be honor and glory forever and ever ! Amen .
God can not die , he is indestructible and is from everlasting to everlasting .
Psalm 90 2 Before the mountains were born, before the earth and the world was , even from everlasting to everlasting you are God.
God is the same from eternity to eternity.
But Jesus died and with it we'll get a very strong issue about Jesus was God or he was . And now years he had given up on this?
What does the word of God ?
It is only the Father who is from everlasting , and he is The only true God , no one else - or do we believe in Jesus only and the Trinity as we come to a very strong conflict . The puzzle will not go up.
Jesus only teaches short, the GT was God the Father , as Jesus was God and ceased to be God by the resurrection and ascension . Then God the Holy Spirit. It is God who operates in different features and it was God who died on the cross !
Trinity teacher claims that God is Trinity from eternity to eternity. There are three Gods who are equal in honor , power and great glory . Jesus was God from everlasting to everlasting the . The Holy Spirit is God from everlasting to everlasting Father likewise. That one gets three Gods to be a God is also quite suspect and a mathematical impossibility.
When Jesus died on Calvary when Jesus died God always is and was God after Trinity vision and learning .
But when we study history so the Trinity many times paraphrased Bible for it to vote . Or one comes with the Catholic phrase that it is a mystery or just this one must believe . Unimaginable what someone can bring themselves to believe . God has given us wisdom and sense for us to use it and not writing it off . When it is not enough . So we believe . But here is the opposite, depreciation mind and just " believe " , Trinity is a mystery.
But it is the opposite , the mystery was revealed in Christ at his coming .
1 Tim 3 16 And , confessedly , great is the mystery of godliness : God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations , believed on in the world , received up into glory .
The basic text and by what many Bible scholars believe that Christ should been here as referring to Christ became man .
Therefore, this verse is written as follows :
1 Tim 3 16 And , confessedly , great is the mystery of godliness : Christ was manifested in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations , believed on in the world , received up into glory .
Then we begin to understand that Jesus was God became man filled and empty stood lower than the angels in their earth life days. Jesus was not God when He walked on earth , but got his job back after the resurrection .
So says Thomas after the resurrection .
Joh.e. 20th 26 Eight days later the disciples were together again , and Thomas was with them . Then came Jesus , the doors being shut , and he stood among them and said , "Peace be with you . " 27 Then he said to Thomas, " Put your finger here and see my hands , and came with his hand, and thrust it into my side. Be not faithless , but believing " 28 " My Lord and my God ! "Said Tomas .
Therefore Jesus also dependent on completing their own salvation or that he had even been lost. By that I mean that God invested 100 % in Jesus and he had failed so had all mankind been lost , he Inclusive . So much was at stake when Jesus came . All or nothing ! White or twice !
But because he won the victory so he bought mankind back to God.
It is allowed to say a loud hallelujah and stop and praise the Lord even now !
Who died on Calvary ?
God? No man but his son Jesus Christ. And the man Christ Jesus was flesh and blood like you and me and that was 100 % dependent on the Holy Spirit for all other believers also .
The scripture says on several occasions.
Matt . 26th 1 When Jesus spoke all these words , he said to his disciples, 2 "You know it 's Easter in two days , and the Son of man is delivered to be crucified . "
When Jesus was God again? Scripture is clear .
Rooms 1 4 by the Spirit of holiness that God's mighty Son when He rose from the dead .
If Jesus had not lost his title and position as it had never been a need to say that Jesus is appointed and given the position again? Of course not .
I am Father but I have not always been there but it has always been a latent Father in me. But when I got my first-born daughter , I was Dad .
Or to put it another way . It is the people who are reinstated in his post after been dismissed or been dismissed on false grounds. So it was with Jesus biledelig spoken. After the resurrection he got everything back + much, much more!
After the resurrection he was the Lamb that was slain was God again and all who accept His salvation , God's children and to be himself equal .
How is it with Jesus , Jesus has always been latent God but it was only after he had completed the work of salvation and rose from the dead that he was fully God. This is somewhat circumscribed by human words so that one should be able to grasp how much it cost the Father to let go of Jesus and how much it cost Jesus to stand and fight the disorder .
Rooms . 8 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God is for us , who can be against us ? 32 He that spared not his own Son , but delivered him up for us all , how will He not also freely give us all things with him ?
This is of course a simplification and not the whole picture of this great and mighty theme.
Jesus died on the cross as a man and forsaken by all , even God the Father .
Matt . 27th 45 From the sixth hour was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. 46 At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, " Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani ? " It means , "My God, my God , why have you forsaken me ? "
Dead God on the cross ? Who died on Calvary ?
Not God, for he can not die , but the man Jesus Christ. Jesus was 100 % man and by his atoning death , he was elevated .
File 2 6 He was God ,
but did not consider stolen
to be equal with God .
7 He gave up on his own ,
took on the form of a servant
And people were equal .
In his way he was as a man ;
8 he humbled himself
and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross .
9 Therefore God has highly exalted him
and gave him the name above all names ,
10 that every knee will bow to Jesus' name,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth ,
11 and every tongue confess
Jesus Christ is Lord, to God's glory !
Jesus was God but renounced it in order to save us. He was God but took a chance on becoming a man to save and redeem us for time and eternity .
After that he got his position and power back but then in an even greater extent and degree than before . Therefore Jesus also honored and worshiped after his resurrection , as well as God. But first and foremost as our Savior, Redeemer and Lord !
In eternity long must we sing God and of the Lamb's new song. It was not in vain redemption . Without this disgrace and pain no salvation , redemption and praise forever long!
Obvious. 15th They have harps of God in their hands 3 and sing the praise of God's servant Moses sang , it also is the song of the Lamb :
Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty.
Just and true are thy ways , thou King of saints .
4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord , and glorify Your name?
For you alone are holy. All nations shall come and worship before thee ,
because your judgments are made manifest .
The more I read so documented that both Jesus only doctrine and the doctrine of the Trinity is wrong and unbiblical teachings. These teachings are not in the hop with the biblical message.
There is only one who is from eternity to eternity , the Father , and he has only one son who is just like him and has shown us who he is , Jesus Christ.
Bible commentaries from janchristensen.net Hebrews
2 But now , when the last time has come, he has spoken to us by his Son . Him hath God appointed heir of all things , and through whom he created the world .
Now the Son. Joh. e 1 17 For the law was given by Moses , but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Through him has made him the world makes Jesus the same as God, yet he is not the Father who is the source of everything.
Kol . 1 15 He is the image of the invisible God ,
the first begotten of all creation .
16 For by him were all things created ,
in heaven and on earth ,
visible and invisible ,
whether thrones or dominions ,
or principalities or authorities -
All things were created through him and for him .
17 He is before all things ,
and all composed by him .
Father does nothing except by and through the Son.
3 He is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being , sustaining all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins , he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
Kol.1 . 18 He is the head of the body, the church.
He is the beginning,
the firstborn from the dead;
he saw in all things may be the foremost .
Jesus is both the largest and foremost . He is the first to have gone out of the Father. As the Father created and the only one like him . He exudes the Father as he is without it being in fragments . As it was with the Prophet and all other people. Kol.1 . 17a He is before all things.
When he became a man he served our sin and then sat down at the Father's right hand!
But Jesus gave up everything to be you and me equal , and died in our place as an atoning sacrifice , and that is man 's flesh and blood . Therefore, when the stak his side after his death as confirmed also that it was not God who died on Calvary but the Son of Man .
Joh.e. 19th 34 But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear , and immediately there came out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it, he has testified , and his testimony is true. He knows that he is telling the truth , then you also may believe .
This is of course difficult teaching yet necessary. Jesus was a man like us and was dependent on the Holy Spirit and never did anything out of his Godhead power but everything he did he was led by the Holy Spirit. Therefore , he had to seek God as we need and be taught by him and the God he was strong and won the victory.
Bible commentaries from janchristensen.net Hebrews :
5 7 At that time Jesus lived on earth , bathroom and he pleaded with loud cries and tears him who could save him from death , and he was heard because he was devout .
In the garden of Gethsemane , we see how Jesus was fulfilling the Father's will . Father had even decided that Jesus His own Son to die for all human sin ! But for Jesus - as a person - it was a struggle to implement it.
8 Though he were a Son , he learned obedience through what he suffered .
Jesus was the first Father created and that it is paid attention to himself like . Yet had he stood willingly. First, in order to please the Father , then to suffer and die for us. This was God the Father himself determined.
9 When he had made perfect , he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him ;
But the fight , disgrace and all that was fully match ended on the cross . After the cross came exaltation that went into two divisions . Resurrection and Ascension. Through all this , he has provided a perfect salvation for all .
We read it again and again in the Word of God , Jesus became man and was no longer in the bosom of the Father .
Bible commentaries from janchristensen.net Hebrews :
10th 5 Thus says Christ at his coming into the world :
Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
but a body made you able to me ;
We read that he had to become like one of us to save and redeem us.
Joh. e 1 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory , the glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth .
6 burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not ask you .
It was not the Father's perfect will that animals were dying for some people to go free . But for him to be able to show compassion and mercy to the children of Israel saw it seemed a temporary and partial remission of sins . But it was only when the Son Jesus Christ that life and immortality were brought to light and we human child could fully take part in the salvation and absolute forgiveness of sins .
7 Then said I , Behold I come to do your will , O God . The scroll is written about me.
Jesus did the will of God to the letter . But he also had the necessary qualifications to do so completely . It was all for him .
Joh. e 4 34 But Jesus said to them, " My food is to do the will of him that sent me and to complete his work .
8 First he said , " Sacrifices and gifts , burnt offerings and sin offerings you would not have and did you not care ," yet it is such sacrifices as carried forward by the law.
Did the law brought fulfillment , eternal bliss and salvation had the law been good enough and sacrifices , gifts , burnt offerings and sin offerings have been able to save. Had there been no sense that the Lord Jesus came .
9 Then he said , "Behold , I have come to do your will. " He abolishes ie the first mentioned , to have the other effect.
By Jesus' entry into the world 's a switch . All that the law represents is replaced with grace and life in Christ Jesus. In the fourth chapter of Galatians , Paul says so strongly when he writes . That he compares the law by the slave woman and what one would do with her? Gal . 4 30 But what does the Scripture say ? Get rid of the slave woman and her son ! For the slave woman 's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son. 31 Therefore , brethren , we are not children of the slave woman , but of the free woman .
When it comes to different views on God and Godhead so I think that there is not always a decisive salvation issues. But to have a healthy and right spiritual development has a lot to say.
The way I see it is Jesus only closer to the truth one trinity but they both have the right understanding of the word of God when God here is split up or it is a God in many functions and roles. And it is that God died on the cross really is blasphemy and the devil who had the upper hand !
We read in John 3 16 Known as the little Bible that Jesus is God's only begotten son. But in the original writings it has after all been sole marks God's only Son. And in John 17 3 states of the Father and the Son as follows: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, whom you sent forth , Jesus Christ.
It is like standing here for the Father of the Son , the only one.
We read many places in the Word of God that Jesus was 100 % man and then he was just as dependent on the Holy Spirit as we are , 100 % .
1 Tim . 2 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus , 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all . Such was his testimony when the time came , 7, and for that I am set to herald and an apostle . This is true, I 'm not lying . I am a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth .
This preaching that Jesus in his jordliv was a true man and not God wrought salvation , Paul tells that this was an essential element of his message .
Notice the wording and how strongly Paul commenting on this , one God , the Father and man , Jesus Christ.
Here we must say that both Jesus only and Trinity claiming that God died on the cross is completely out of cranberries trip according to God's word. There is no content in what is claimed and preached !
That man was Jesus Christ who bore our sin , sickness and punishment on himself and he was abandoned by all, even God the Father left him and he was made sin in our place . There he was made sin indicates that Jesus did not die as God but as a man (God can not tolerate sin and God can not die ) . There is only one who is the only true God who is God from eternity to eternity, the Father .
Jesus gave up on this ( being in the form of God ) to be you and me like .
I will not let traditions and human opinions be decisive, but what does God's word on this. We bring to closure of janchristensen.net
Bible commentaries Hebrews.
2 13 Moreover , I will put my trust in him .
And yet somewhere , Behold I and the children God has given me .
At this deals with Jesus is no doubt . He is not ashamed to call us brothers. God has set its bit to Jesus and therefore he will also rely on us !
14 Since the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself part of the same . How was he by his death destroy him that had the power of death , that is, the devil ,
Jesus became a man and not an angel. Without that he had become as one of us as he had not been able to save and redeem us from sin , bondage and death is our last enemy that Jesus also defeated.
1 Cor . 15th 54 And when it happens, and this corruptible and mortal shall have put on incorruption and immortality, then fulfilled that is written , Death is swallowed up in victory
15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives .
All that has gone before both those who lived then and we are living today is salvation included. If we are to see death and not get to experience the rapture , salvation just as great , lovely and safe .
16 It is not angels he takes care of , but he takes care of the seed of Abraham .
Here we go again , it's not the angels which are objective but God 's people. And the blessing is within the reach only through partaking of the same faith that Abraham had , and then we are also a part of his family .
Gal . 3 14 This happened so that the Gentiles through Jesus Christ should partake of the blessing that was promised to Abraham , and that through faith would receive the Spirit as it was promised .
17 Therefore he must in all things be like unto his brethren , that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God and zone sins of the people .
Through Jesus not only remained to be with God and be like Him in His likeness. But the man and knew everything like us. Then scroll he our perfect High Priest .
18 Because he himself suffered and been tempted , he can help those who are tempted .
Jesus stood struggle and suffering out and he has full understanding of being human . But he does not stand at a distance and believe we can and will manage the game alone. He will help and come to our aid by his Spirit that will strengthen , guide , comfort and complement us !
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