No. 1578: Ivar Haugsbakk who teaches about e.g. the Holy Spirit believes that speaking in tongues is Babel, with this he mocks both the Bible's teaching on the baptism of the Spirit and millions of believers!

No. 1578:

Ivar Haugsbakk who teaches about e.g. the Holy Spirit believes that speaking in tongues is Babel, with this he mocks both the Bible's teaching on the baptism of the Spirit and millions of believers!

The image of the Watchtower that Ivar Haugsbakk's preaching has a lot in common as they both claim much of the same thing.
At the same time, there is talk of dangerous conceptual confusion as here they "believe" in much of God's word.
But puts completely different guidelines and meanings into it than what evangelicals and biblical Christians do. This is delusion!

Ivar Haugsbakk is from Dale in Sunnfjord, born in Bergen in 1954. He has a degree in Natural Resources from Sogn og Fjordane District College, and has a master's degree in geology from the Faculty of Mathematics and Natural Sciences at the University of Bergen. He retired in July 2017 from his job as a senior engineer at the Norwegian Institute for Air Research (NILU) after 35 years of service. He has authored or co-authored nearly 400 commissioned reports, which deal with meteorology, air quality measurements and calculations of air quality around road systems and industry. As a Christian pensioner, and with great interest in the Bible's teaching about e.g. The baptism of the Spirit, he misleads when he claims to speak in tongues is Babel.
Haugsbakk currently lives in Frogner, Akershus with his new wife etc.

All believers are baptized in the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God's gift because of the accomplished work of salvation alone, and is given to all believers at the rebirth.
You are not built up by speaking a language you do not understand, or speaking incomprehensible chatter. Faith comes from the preaching of the word of God, in an intelligible language, and the spiritual food is also the word of God in an intelligible language.

The purpose of spiritual baptism is to belong to the body of the Lord, as Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 12:13. The charismatic link between Spirit Baptism and this incomprehensible tongue talk is just tragic and at best ONLY unbiblical. When these peoples manage to say that I am not baptized with the Holy Spirit because I do not speak their incomprehensible tongue - yes, then I hope you are not on their side.

These are from Haugsbakk many and unbiblical calls that show that he is a Jehovah's Witness in theology.

Speech in tongues is babel. The charismatic "tongue talk" I can speak anytime, and anywhere - without training, but most people can if they try?

Unfortunately, this is not uncommon in charismatic churches. It is a deeply tragic seduction. The foolish who are led astray are innocent. Those who learn and practice this "carnally assumed spirituality" - they mock the Holy Spirit, and this is a very serious matter!

The real language is in known languages, for the purpose is to preach the gospel to foreign speakers.

In some congregations, the unbiblical and unhealthy doctrine is preached, that there are two separate classes of Christians; one who is baptized in the Spirit and one who is not. Here, connections have been constructed between baptism in the Holy Spirit and tongues. This has led to, to put it mildly, unhealthy conditions in these congregations. The desire and search for the spiritual form of expression of tongues has meant that many have learned this special form of tongues. Yes, because this is not the original language of the coming of the Spirit for the Jews in the upper room on the day of the Jewish Feast of Pentecost (Acts 2), or for the Gentiles in Caesarea (Acts 10). There was the gift of tongues in familiar human languages.

A constitution or constitution is here that defines the very basic principle of what is the body of the Lord. The Lord has no more, but only one body, and it is this one body we are baptized with the Spirit to belong to.
Paul says here clearly that baptism in the Holy Spirit applies to all believers. But he also says something even more important, namely that the purpose of Spirit Baptism is to belong to the body of Christ. Either you are baptized with the Holy Spirit, belong to the body of Christ and are saved - or you are not baptized with the Holy Spirit, do not belong to the body of Christ and are lost. Some churches have by human ignorance divided the church of the Lord into believers, and believers baptized in the Spirit, and have in this way excluded most of Christendom from the baptism of the Spirit. This is deeply tragic, and has for many people led to a great and highly unnecessary crisis in their Christian life. There is a double responsibility here for those who convey a message that is contrary to the words and purpose of the Bible.

This was part of Ivar Haugsbakk's teaching and views.

My answer to this heresy, it is not easy as here there is so much and conceptual confusion and other things.
It is like the Apostle Paulussier in Col. 8 8 See to it that no one makes a prey to you by worldly wisdom and empty deception, according to the doctrine of men, according to the doctrine of the children of the world, and not according to Christ.

As Jehovah's Witnesses, Ivar Haugsbakk teaches that God works miracles in the past and in the future, but not today.
Haugsbakk does not really believe in Jesus, the word of God or any worldly thing as he adds completely different concepts in what he claims.

The apostle Paul spoke of such as he to Corinth the congregation.

2 Cor. 11. 3 but I fear, that as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds shall be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if one comes to you and preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or you receive another spirit, which you have not received before, or another gospel, which you have not received before, then you will gladly endure it!

Haugsbakk does not believe in the gift of tongues that God's word teaches, as he says it is Babel and can speak in "tongues" whenever he wants.
Haugsbakk believes that miracles do not happen today, and mission and preaching the gospel has no purpose as God himself has decided who will be saved. Here it is Calvin's heresy that strikes.

It is clear that there is a Western difference between being born of the Spirit and being baptized of the Spirit.
There are two different experiences. This teaches the word of God and is the experience of millions of Christians around the world.
All believers belong to the body of Christ and thereby have the Holy Spirit.
But not all believers are baptized in the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues.
That Haugsbakk is unfamiliar with this, and introduces foreign teachings.
This is also what the Apostle Paul is talking about to the Christians in Rome.

Romans 16. 17 But I beseech you, brethren, to watch over them which cause disobedience and offenses against the doctrine which ye have learned, and depart from them; 18 For these do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but his own belly, and by his sweet speech and his beautiful words the hearts of the simple fool.

Closing comment:

I have only fleetingly gone through Haugsbakk's unhealthy and unbiblical teachings.
He is also divorced and remarried, so here both life and learning are misleading!
In many ways it is to say that this is a teaching and understanding of the intellectual and old man.
Where one is more concerned with doctrinal questions ala Jehovah's Witnesses where one actually also has the same understanding as the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses where God does not work today, only in ancient times. Or in the future, when everything that does not happen today will happen.
Takes one away that God does not perform signs, wonders and miracles today.
That the Holy Spirit does not work today and Jesus is alive!
What does one really have left then?
God was in the days of old, in days to come. But also today and here to reach!

There is a lot to tackle here, but Haugsbakk does as Jehovah's Witnesses, takes away God who works today!

Heb. 13. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes forever.

Mark 16. 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with tongues, 18 They shall take serpents in their hands, and if they drink any poison, it shall not hurt them; in sickness they shall lay their hands, and they shall be healed. 19 And the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 And they went forth, and preached the word everywhere, and the Lord worked, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.

Ap.gj. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

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