mandag 19. juni 2017

No. 1585: Katogises and "measure" sins are inconsistent, ugly and unbiblical, because sin nevertheless will separate us from God!

No. 1585:
Katogises and "measure" sins are inconsistent, ugly and unbiblical, because sin nevertheless will separate us from God!

Picture of Jan Kaare Hanvold who is married and divorced for the third time as a believer.
That the whole Pinse Karismatic movement is going well for him, but hating the gays are strange! These are both double standards and hypocrisy, neither homosexual, lesbian nor uprooted as Christians are welcome in the Christian congregation.



It was unthinkable for the first Christians to say that some sins are divorced, some do not sin, etc.
All sin separates us from God, the "small" like the "great", here we must not excuse and trivialize others and some!
Paul invented a sinner register for the church in Corinth, where uprooted, gays, thieves and killing all are lost.
1 Cor. 6. 9 Or do you not know that those who do wrong will not inherit the kingdom of God? Dad does not want to! Neither wizards nor idolaters, nor marriages, nor those who sins against nature, 10 or thieves, or oaths, or drinkers, or strikers, or robbers shall inherit the kingdom of God.
In other words, classifying sin is not from God. Either way, we must bear the word of God.
Here is an article from the value debate that addresses this topic:
Thomas Erlandsen writes the same as me: The Theological Reflection Council of the Pentecostal Movement discriminates - Liberal Bible interpretations are given to the heterosexuals, but are deprived of gays.
The Theological Reflection Council of the Pentecostal Movement discriminates - Liberal Biblical interpretations are supported by the heterosexual, but are deprived of gays.
I feel a bit like the Pentecostal movement in the body refusing to quit and talk about the elephant in the room, but some must say when the discrimination is taking place in public and even defended by the leader of the Pentecostal Theological Reflection Council, Øyvind Gaarder Andersen.
This should also be a precarious cause for the Pentecostal Movement, given that they have put the marriage into the foundation of faith, (which is otherwise strange church history).
In the last edition of the Cross, Øyvind Gaarder Andersen says the following:
When it comes to areas like women in service and divorce and remarriage, there is a need to interpret what Scripture says. However, in the question of marriage as a rule for man and woman, the Bible does not give room for different interpretations. ( Http://korsetsseier.no/2017/06/16/pinsebevegelsens-bibelsyn-er-udiskutabelt/ )
I can agree that there are interpreting rooms around the question of women in service and maybe divorce, but when they get married, there is no greater interpretation room than that marriage is only for one man and one woman.
That is, only if you collect experiences and common sense, you can find interpretation rooms right here. Thus, you are willing to bring in reason and experience when it comes to heterosexual, but not gay. How can you stand for such discrimination of interpretation - and Christian practice and still say that you stand for love, righteousness and truth?
The Bible says:
To those married I have this commandment, not from myself but from the Lord: A woman shall not divorce from her husband. But if she still stands out, she'll live unmarried or divorce her husband. And a man shall not divorce his wife ... A woman is bound for as long as her husband lives. If the man dies, she is free to marry who she wants, only in the Lord. 40 But she will be happier if she lives alone, in my opinion. And I believe that I also have the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 7, 10-11; 39-40
Furthermore, Jesus says the following about the matter:
But I say to you, whoever is divorced from his wife for any other reason than adultery, is guilty of committing marriages with her. And the one who marries a divorced woman breaks the marriage. Matt 5.32.
One can ask why Paul does not explicitly include the man in the words of remorse, but now the church in our modern age has always interpreted this to apply to men as well.The Bible says, first, that divorce can only happen if there has been sexual adultery in the picture. Then the Bible says that if there has been a mischief, there is no opening to marry again. To everyone who stands for whatever reason, the bid is clear: You must live unmarried! There are no interpretation rooms here.
So why do the Pentecostal people serve in all parts of their churches, even though they are divorced (often for non-sexual adultery reasons) and marry again? Why do not gay people embrace their identity and orientation earn? Why do you allow such discrimination without wanting an open debate about this?
In this case, the Missionary Mission is one of the few ecclesiastical contexts in Norway that live on these biblical commandments, although Espen Ottosen, the information union information manager, admits that the practice is heartbreaking. ( Http://www.vl.no/troogkirke/ottosen-oppleves-hjerteratt-a-si-nei-til-gjengifte-1.66395?paywall=true )
Well, in the Pentecostal movement you are not so hearted with heterosexuals who marry again. For them, you provide a more open interpretation of the Bible, but you do not give the same open interpretation for gays. No, they just get tuned after that heartbeat. When you practice this interpretation of the Bible, the discrimination of gays in the Pentecostal movement appears far more heartbreaking. It favors heterosexual and discriminates against gays.
Editor of the Day, Tarjei Gilje, was on this discrimination in the Pentecostal newspaper, The Victory of the Cross, 18.05.15. There he asks if it is because gays are in the minority that the frantic neglects this debate. Yes, you can only trick. ( Http://korsetsseier.no/2015/05/18/karismatiske-kristne-likestiller-heterofilt-og-homofilt-samliv/ )
Now the question becomes: Should the Pentecostal Movement only close this debate once again and pretend everything is on its own, or should it address the discrimination and take action? Are you going to make sure that reimbursement is deducted from all its voluntary and paid services, or should you have the same Bible interpretation for homosexuals you have for heterosexuals. Are you going to release homosexual at work?
Here one should listen to one of the most wise movements of the Pentecostal movement and warm-hearted person, Professor Terje Hegertun:
To avoid this being a new story of fear and withdrawal, I think another approach is necessary. Firstly, the free churches need to take time and not act hastily. Safe conversations must be facilitated, which both theological and psychological concerns take seriously into consideration, especially when it comes to individuals' lives. Reflections must be thorough and tone sensitive. - From KS, see first link.
If I know the management at Filadefiakirken in Oslo right, they are 100% behind Terje Hegertun in this. May this line become the path of the Pentecostal Movement to move forward, as well as clearing up the discrimination of gays both in the interpretation plan and further in the practical church life. Yes, no matter what the outcome is, an equal treatment in the scriptural interpretation will be easier to relate to from all parties.
Thomas Erlandsen
Former Pentecostals

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